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sevia
Profile Joined May 2010
United States954 Posts
May 27 2012 09:01 GMT
#741
On May 27 2012 17:59 LloydPGM wrote:
Damn, JaeDong did the job but so many mistakes ://
-> begin roach warren at 8' is ultra late
-> protoss friendly didn't 2 bases all-in, hopefully for ulra greedy JD who would have died with a 7 gates timing push


This is pretty important, I don't even think he had an overlord over that cliff edge by the third that toss always build proxies at. The game could have ended a lot more quickly if Lizzy had decided to pressure instead of take a quick third.

JD played super greedy and won the same way that Stephano has won hundreds of games. Good play but a bit risky vs. some of the tighter protoss all-ins.
최지성 Bomber || 김동환 viOLet || 고병재 GuMiho
Asha
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom38257 Posts
May 27 2012 09:02 GMT
#742
Much better game from Jaedong ^__^

Needs to stop a-moving infestors forward after they've fungalled but for the most part a well executed 12 min max.
las91
Profile Blog Joined May 2011
United States5080 Posts
May 27 2012 09:02 GMT
#743
HELL YEAH LEE JAEDONG!!!!
In Inca we trust
J1.au
Profile Blog Joined July 2009
Australia3596 Posts
May 27 2012 09:02 GMT
#744
On May 27 2012 18:01 greenelve wrote:
JD Tyrant

[image loading]


Why do you make it so hard to enjoy JD wins?
Oboeman
Profile Joined January 2011
Canada3980 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-05-27 09:03:49
May 27 2012 09:02 GMT
#745
On May 27 2012 17:59 LloydPGM wrote:
Damn, JaeDong did the job but so many mistakes ://
-> begin roach warren at 8' is ultra late
-> ultra late upgrades (starting +2 carapace @ 15' game
-> no colossus for protoss
-> protoss friendly didn't 2 bases all-in, hopefully for ulra greedy JD who would have died with a 7 gates timing push


Fast double gas at the natural told jaedong he could delay his gas and roach warren, and that no fast 7-gate was coming.
either he understands that or he was greedy and got lucky
You don't really need colossi against that. Better to keep a high immortal count and get blink.
sluggaslamoo
Profile Blog Joined November 2009
Australia4494 Posts
May 27 2012 09:02 GMT
#746
On May 27 2012 17:59 LloydPGM wrote:
Damn, JaeDong did the job but so many mistakes ://
-> begin roach warren at 8' is ultra late
-> ultra late upgrades (starting +2 carapace @ 15' game
-> no colossus for protoss
-> protoss friendly didn't 2 bases all-in, hopefully for ulra greedy JD who would have died with a 7 gates timing push


Mental strength was the decider of this match
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IshinShishi
Profile Joined April 2012
Japan6156 Posts
May 27 2012 09:03 GMT
#747
Jd still looked shaky on his timings and resource spending more importantly, still very happy for him, if Lizzy hadn't gone for such a desperate attack and waited like 2 minutes to max out I wonder what the result would've been.
So... what that make you? Good? You're not good. You just know how to hide, how to lie
rysecake
Profile Joined October 2010
United States2632 Posts
May 27 2012 09:03 GMT
#748
We're back to KTFlash
The Notorious Winkles
Yello
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Germany7411 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-05-27 09:06:49
May 27 2012 09:04 GMT
#749
On May 27 2012 17:57 AxionSteel wrote:
Jaedong crushing that kid

Lizzy won't be their ace for long.


Hmmm, Jaedong played the style Stephano developed, fast max (~12minutes) with roaches and lings after droning up to 60 before building any units.

It is very hard to counter for Toss, you need to do a 2-base immortal allin or pressure the zerg so he can't drone freely.
Jaedong seems to be ahead in the metagame here because Lizzy really didn't know what he was supposed to do against this style of play.

Jaedong said in an interview that he likes Stephano's style of play and what he does and now he copied the style and it's very effective. I think the BW players are catching up very fast to the current meta-game of SC2. And since Jaedong also didn't need more then 12 minutes to max out he actually plays this style almost as good as Stephano himself.
I guess soon the BW pros will be on even footing with the SC2 pros.



On May 27 2012 18:02 sluggaslamoo wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 27 2012 17:59 LloydPGM wrote:
Damn, JaeDong did the job but so many mistakes ://
-> begin roach warren at 8' is ultra late
-> ultra late upgrades (starting +2 carapace @ 15' game
-> no colossus for protoss
-> protoss friendly didn't 2 bases all-in, hopefully for ulra greedy JD who would have died with a 7 gates timing push


Mental strength was the decider of this match


It was more about Jaedong scouting the fast 4 gas and the third base as soon as it was up. He also scouted the immortal and most importantly the number of gateways with a second overlord in the main. He did know everything Lizzy was doing.
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Rube_Juice
Profile Joined June 2011
Canada348 Posts
May 27 2012 09:04 GMT
#750
Oh my god i wanted JD to win so bad, couldn't bear to see him lose again and have his spirit crushed. JD and Flash won today and the world makes sense, at least for now. I can go to bed happy now.
Dismay
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
United States1180 Posts
May 27 2012 09:04 GMT
#751
Gogogo Jaedong. Thank you.
In every age, in every place, the deeds of men remain the same.
sevia
Profile Joined May 2010
United States954 Posts
May 27 2012 09:04 GMT
#752
On May 27 2012 18:01 blade55555 wrote:
1. Roach warren was late agreed, but when you see a robo you don't need it super fast


I disagree with this, there are definitely builds that do an ultra-fast +1 zealot push and get a robo at the same time. One of them was in the Haypro replay pack posted on teamliquidpro.com recently. Lizzy might not be a perfect SC2 player but I think he's capable of something like that, especially on a map with a hard-to-defend third.
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greenelve
Profile Joined April 2011
Germany1392 Posts
May 27 2012 09:05 GMT
#753
On May 27 2012 18:02 J1.au wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 27 2012 18:01 greenelve wrote:
JD Tyrant

[image loading]


Why do you make it so hard to enjoy JD wins?


you mean the gif? thats the normal-jaedong-win-ceremony...
z0r.de for your daily madness /// Who knows what evil lurks in the heart of men? The Shadow knows!
ProxyKnoxy
Profile Joined April 2011
United Kingdom2576 Posts
May 27 2012 09:05 GMT
#754
On May 27 2012 18:04 Rube_Juice wrote:
Oh my god i wanted JD to win so bad, couldn't bear to see him lose again and have his spirit crushed. JD and Flash won today and the world makes sense, at least for now. I can go to bed happy now.


Basically what I feel
"Zealot try give mariners high five. Mariners not like high five and try hide and shoot zealot"
Alaiz
Profile Joined November 2011
France118 Posts
May 27 2012 09:05 GMT
#755
GG JAEDONG !!!!!!!! Very nice 12 max build ! For someone who's rookie at SC2 it's pretty impressive ! Getting used with injections, creep, and other SC2 mechanics, Jaedong did very well !
blade55555
Profile Blog Joined March 2009
United States17423 Posts
May 27 2012 09:05 GMT
#756
On May 27 2012 18:04 sevia wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 27 2012 18:01 blade55555 wrote:
1. Roach warren was late agreed, but when you see a robo you don't need it super fast


I disagree with this, there are definitely builds that do an ultra-fast +1 zealot push and get a robo at the same time. One of them was in the Haypro replay pack posted on teamliquidpro.com recently. Lizzy might not be a perfect SC2 player but I think he's capable of something like that, especially on a map with a hard-to-defend third.


Yeah but you can hold that with pure lings since he only had 3-4 gateways.
When I think of something else, something will go here
ivirj
Profile Joined January 2010
Mexico79 Posts
May 27 2012 09:05 GMT
#757
Is it me or jaedong was maxed out or almost maxed out (190supply) at 11 minutes?
La violencia es el ultimo recurso del incompetente - Asimov
Oboeman
Profile Joined January 2011
Canada3980 Posts
May 27 2012 09:06 GMT
#758
On May 27 2012 18:04 sevia wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 27 2012 18:01 blade55555 wrote:
1. Roach warren was late agreed, but when you see a robo you don't need it super fast


I disagree with this, there are definitely builds that do an ultra-fast +1 zealot push and get a robo at the same time. One of them was in the Haypro replay pack posted on teamliquidpro.com recently. Lizzy might not be a perfect SC2 player but I think he's capable of something like that, especially on a map with a hard-to-defend third.


Maybe he counted chronos on the core like a pro, because warpgate finished too late for this.
DieterEilts
Profile Joined November 2010
Germany283 Posts
May 27 2012 09:06 GMT
#759
JD lost some roaches and was maxed in like 11:50 or something if i remember correctly. very happy to see jaedong win his ace match
Oboeman
Profile Joined January 2011
Canada3980 Posts
May 27 2012 09:06 GMT
#760
On May 27 2012 18:05 ivirj wrote:
Is it me or jaedong was maxed out or almost maxed out (190supply) at 11 minutes?


He maxed at 11:50ish, while losing a few units here and there to forcefields before that.

not bad.
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