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On May 27 2012 17:59 LloydPGM wrote:
Damn, JaeDong did the job but so many mistakes ://
-> begin roach warren at 8' is ultra late
-> protoss friendly didn't 2 bases all-in, hopefully for ulra greedy JD who would have died with a 7 gates timing push
This is pretty important, I don't even think he had an overlord over that cliff edge by the third that toss always build proxies at. The game could have ended a lot more quickly if Lizzy had decided to pressure instead of take a quick third.
JD played super greedy and won the same way that Stephano has won hundreds of games. Good play but a bit risky vs. some of the tighter protoss all-ins.
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Much better game from Jaedong ^__^
Needs to stop a-moving infestors forward after they've fungalled but for the most part a well executed 12 min max.
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HELL YEAH LEE JAEDONG!!!!
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On May 27 2012 18:01 greenelve wrote:JD Tyrant ![[image loading]](http://www.teamliquid.net/staff/R1CH/Happy2.gif)
Why do you make it so hard to enjoy JD wins? 
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On May 27 2012 17:59 LloydPGM wrote:
Damn, JaeDong did the job but so many mistakes ://
-> begin roach warren at 8' is ultra late
-> ultra late upgrades (starting +2 carapace @ 15' game
-> no colossus for protoss
-> protoss friendly didn't 2 bases all-in, hopefully for ulra greedy JD who would have died with a 7 gates timing push
Fast double gas at the natural told jaedong he could delay his gas and roach warren, and that no fast 7-gate was coming.
either he understands that or he was greedy and got lucky 
You don't really need colossi against that. Better to keep a high immortal count and get blink.
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On May 27 2012 17:59 LloydPGM wrote:
Damn, JaeDong did the job but so many mistakes ://
-> begin roach warren at 8' is ultra late
-> ultra late upgrades (starting +2 carapace @ 15' game
-> no colossus for protoss
-> protoss friendly didn't 2 bases all-in, hopefully for ulra greedy JD who would have died with a 7 gates timing push
Mental strength was the decider of this match
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Jd still looked shaky on his timings and resource spending more importantly, still very happy for him, if Lizzy hadn't gone for such a desperate attack and waited like 2 minutes to max out I wonder what the result would've been.
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On May 27 2012 17:57 AxionSteel wrote:
Jaedong crushing that kid
Lizzy won't be their ace for long.
Hmmm, Jaedong played the style Stephano developed, fast max (~12minutes) with roaches and lings after droning up to 60 before building any units.
It is very hard to counter for Toss, you need to do a 2-base immortal allin or pressure the zerg so he can't drone freely.
Jaedong seems to be ahead in the metagame here because Lizzy really didn't know what he was supposed to do against this style of play.
Jaedong said in an interview that he likes Stephano's style of play and what he does and now he copied the style and it's very effective. I think the BW players are catching up very fast to the current meta-game of SC2. And since Jaedong also didn't need more then 12 minutes to max out he actually plays this style almost as good as Stephano himself.
I guess soon the BW pros will be on even footing with the SC2 pros.
On May 27 2012 18:02 sluggaslamoo wrote:Show nested quote +On May 27 2012 17:59 LloydPGM wrote:
Damn, JaeDong did the job but so many mistakes ://
-> begin roach warren at 8' is ultra late
-> ultra late upgrades (starting +2 carapace @ 15' game
-> no colossus for protoss
-> protoss friendly didn't 2 bases all-in, hopefully for ulra greedy JD who would have died with a 7 gates timing push Mental strength was the decider of this match
It was more about Jaedong scouting the fast 4 gas and the third base as soon as it was up. He also scouted the immortal and most importantly the number of gateways with a second overlord in the main. He did know everything Lizzy was doing.
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Oh my god i wanted JD to win so bad, couldn't bear to see him lose again and have his spirit crushed. JD and Flash won today and the world makes sense, at least for now. I can go to bed happy now.
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Gogogo Jaedong. Thank you.
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On May 27 2012 18:01 blade55555 wrote:
1. Roach warren was late agreed, but when you see a robo you don't need it super fast
I disagree with this, there are definitely builds that do an ultra-fast +1 zealot push and get a robo at the same time. One of them was in the Haypro replay pack posted on teamliquidpro.com recently. Lizzy might not be a perfect SC2 player but I think he's capable of something like that, especially on a map with a hard-to-defend third.
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On May 27 2012 18:02 J1.au wrote:Why do you make it so hard to enjoy JD wins?
you mean the gif? thats the normal-jaedong-win-ceremony...
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On May 27 2012 18:04 Rube_Juice wrote:
Oh my god i wanted JD to win so bad, couldn't bear to see him lose again and have his spirit crushed. JD and Flash won today and the world makes sense, at least for now. I can go to bed happy now.
Basically what I feel 
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GG JAEDONG !!!!!!!! Very nice 12 max build ! For someone who's rookie at SC2 it's pretty impressive ! Getting used with injections, creep, and other SC2 mechanics, Jaedong did very well !
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On May 27 2012 18:04 sevia wrote:Show nested quote +On May 27 2012 18:01 blade55555 wrote:
1. Roach warren was late agreed, but when you see a robo you don't need it super fast
I disagree with this, there are definitely builds that do an ultra-fast +1 zealot push and get a robo at the same time. One of them was in the Haypro replay pack posted on teamliquidpro.com recently. Lizzy might not be a perfect SC2 player but I think he's capable of something like that, especially on a map with a hard-to-defend third.
Yeah but you can hold that with pure lings since he only had 3-4 gateways.
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Is it me or jaedong was maxed out or almost maxed out (190supply) at 11 minutes?
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On May 27 2012 18:04 sevia wrote:Show nested quote +On May 27 2012 18:01 blade55555 wrote:
1. Roach warren was late agreed, but when you see a robo you don't need it super fast
I disagree with this, there are definitely builds that do an ultra-fast +1 zealot push and get a robo at the same time. One of them was in the Haypro replay pack posted on teamliquidpro.com recently. Lizzy might not be a perfect SC2 player but I think he's capable of something like that, especially on a map with a hard-to-defend third.
Maybe he counted chronos on the core like a pro, because warpgate finished too late for this.
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JD lost some roaches and was maxed in like 11:50 or something if i remember correctly. very happy to see jaedong win his ace match
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On May 27 2012 18:05 ivirj wrote:
Is it me or jaedong was maxed out or almost maxed out (190supply) at 11 minutes?
He maxed at 11:50ish, while losing a few units here and there to forcefields before that.
not bad.
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