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TheBJ
Profile Joined March 2010
Bulgaria906 Posts
May 27 2012 08:22 GMT
#341
On May 27 2012 17:22 Dodgin wrote:
Flash's macro is spot on this game.


Implying its not in any of his game
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Asha
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom38199 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-05-27 08:23:07
May 27 2012 08:22 GMT
#342
On May 27 2012 17:20 IshinShishi wrote:
Flash is using weird timings, this build he is doing flat out dies to banshee play, too slow combat shields, factory too fast, 3rd and 4th gases also too fast, but everything lines up nicely otherwise.


Didn't he scout gasless play? Missed the start of the game TT
keioh
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
France1099 Posts
May 27 2012 08:22 GMT
#343
On May 27 2012 17:19 roymarthyup wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 27 2012 17:17 StorkHwaiting wrote:
People are nuts saying JD was way ahead. Or else they're just clueless about ZvZ. When Jaedong's mutas were taking out CH's third, CH was already massing infestors. When CH had rebuilt his third and JD was just starting to tech up to infestor, CH already had 8 infestors out. That is a ridiculous advantage.

All JD did was deny the third and kill some ovies. In exchange for what? 1K+ in gas? CH dumped all that in infestors instead, so when the fight actually came, he had enough energy to spit out 30-40 infested terrans and fungal AND had a much higher hydra count.

JD did some good moves with the queen sniping and trapping that initial roach pressure with mass ling, but going muta was a horrible mistake. Muta along with double upgrades along with roach tunneling claws was just suicide. That's way too much gas being spent on shit that's not infestors. Infestors > all in ZvZ. Simple as that.


JD had 3 bases and should have had faster gasses to get out way more infestors with more gas but he was slow on his gasses

i think any zerg would preferr to be in jaedongs position. are there master zergs here who disagree with me (are you a master zerg? if so i guess i eat crow)


i mean i think jaedong was just confused and didnt know the most powerful ways to act off his advantage but he was clearly extremely ahead


Imo JD thought he could hold with mass spines. I also think he was shocked by how massive the dps of 40+ infested terrans are. I also think he'll never go mutas again
GIMME ALL THE BELGIAN WAFFLES I CAN GET FOR THIS MONEY !!!!!! BELGIAN WAFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFLEEEEEEEEES
Dodgin
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
Canada39254 Posts
May 27 2012 08:23 GMT
#344
Flash somehow 40 supply ahead lol
arQ
Profile Joined October 2010
1033 Posts
May 27 2012 08:23 GMT
#345
Lol he doesnt know about sensor tower yet I guess.
"The universe is not required to be in perfect harmony with human ambition." -Carl Sagan || Flash || Mvp || Naniwa ||
Clafou
Profile Joined November 2010
Belgium921 Posts
May 27 2012 08:23 GMT
#346
Baby saw the flash's FPVOD on this map :D
Corrosive
Profile Joined August 2010
Canada3741 Posts
May 27 2012 08:23 GMT
#347
where are all of babys units?!
Maruprime.
Topdoller
Profile Joined March 2011
United Kingdom3860 Posts
May 27 2012 08:23 GMT
#348
Flash putting a nice contain on Baby's 3rd
Rube_Juice
Profile Joined June 2011
Canada348 Posts
May 27 2012 08:23 GMT
#349
omg flash pwning
Asha
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom38199 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-05-27 08:24:32
May 27 2012 08:24 GMT
#350
On May 27 2012 17:23 Dodgin wrote:
Flash somehow 40 supply ahead lol


Partly because Baby took a fast third while Flash played very 2 base heavy.

Baby not being able to take his third after that is screwing him hard.
andaylin
Profile Joined August 2010
United States10830 Posts
May 27 2012 08:24 GMT
#351
Baby's macro...
"Hard work beats talent when talent fails to work hard." - Kevin Durant
Azarkon
Profile Joined January 2010
United States21060 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-05-27 08:26:07
May 27 2012 08:24 GMT
#352
On May 27 2012 17:17 StorkHwaiting wrote:
People are nuts saying JD was way ahead. Or else they're just clueless about ZvZ. When Jaedong's mutas were taking out CH's third, CH was already massing infestors. When CH had rebuilt his third and JD was just starting to tech up to infestor, CH already had 8 infestors out. That is a ridiculous advantage.

All JD did was deny the third and kill some ovies. In exchange for what? 1K+ in gas? CH dumped all that in infestors instead, so when the fight actually came, he had enough energy to spit out 30-40 infested terrans and fungal AND had a much higher hydra count.

JD did some good moves with the queen sniping and trapping that initial roach pressure with mass ling, but going muta was a horrible mistake. Muta along with double upgrades along with roach tunneling claws was just suicide. That's way too much gas being spent on shit that's not infestors. Infestors > all in ZvZ. Simple as that.


Violet played mutas vs. Stephano in MLG Spring Arena 2 and crushed him playing roach infestor.

The idea behind mutas in ZvZ is that they give you map control and the ability to take a third while denying your opponent's third. The fast infestor player has to stay on two bases until he gets infestors, at which time you, the muta player, is on three bases with six gases and is transitioning to roach infestor yourself. Your infestors are behind his in timing, but you're going to have a higher roach count due to better economy, which carries you into the late-game.

Jaedong's transitions were way too late. He was floating 2k minerals because he took the gases on the third late and had no gas for the units he wanted to build.
Aetherial
Profile Joined August 2010
Australia917 Posts
May 27 2012 08:24 GMT
#353
Flash is looking pretty good this game... or perhaps Baby just sucks.
blade55555
Profile Blog Joined March 2009
United States17423 Posts
May 27 2012 08:24 GMT
#354
Jesus baby's macro xD
When I think of something else, something will go here
Art.FeeL
Profile Blog Joined September 2007
1163 Posts
May 27 2012 08:24 GMT
#355
Baby is just mechanically awful compared to flash
I am a great believer in luck. The harder I work the luckier I am.
Kommander
Profile Joined March 2011
Philippines4950 Posts
May 27 2012 08:24 GMT
#356
Baby's floating mins
Jojo131
Profile Joined January 2011
Brazil1631 Posts
May 27 2012 08:24 GMT
#357
THOSE STIMS ><
andaylin
Profile Joined August 2010
United States10830 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-05-27 08:25:37
May 27 2012 08:24 GMT
#358
Damn Flash, learn to stim a small group of marines man xD

His ridiculously high medivac count makes it okay i guess.

Let's see if he passes MKP's 18 vs AcE
"Hard work beats talent when talent fails to work hard." - Kevin Durant
Deshkar
Profile Joined June 2011
Singapore1244 Posts
May 27 2012 08:25 GMT
#359
Flash totally mechanically superior, and he's denying Baby's 3rd for quite awhile despite Baby's fast 3rd cc play.
Dodgin
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
Canada39254 Posts
May 27 2012 08:25 GMT
#360
DAMN he was ready for that shit..flash on point
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