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Zeroxk
Profile Joined October 2010
Norway1244 Posts
May 24 2012 13:17 GMT
#1301
Immortal DT allin? Weird
LimitSEA
Profile Blog Joined August 2011
Australia9580 Posts
May 24 2012 13:17 GMT
#1302
MC with a 1 base DT all in. :>
Long live the King of Wings
Tsubbi
Profile Joined September 2010
Germany7996 Posts
May 24 2012 13:17 GMT
#1303
the up and downs are plagued by shitty maps :/ pvt on dual sight, pvz entombed, tvz antiga all the time
Logros
Profile Joined September 2010
Netherlands9913 Posts
May 24 2012 13:17 GMT
#1304
On May 24 2012 22:16 Asha` wrote:
Life on the line? time to all in.

He must've been watching MVPs games this season.
Thrombozyt
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
Germany1269 Posts
May 24 2012 13:17 GMT
#1305
On May 24 2012 22:15 Fragile51 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 24 2012 22:15 Thrombozyt wrote:
On May 24 2012 22:11 bigbeau wrote:
On May 24 2012 22:02 Thrombozyt wrote:
On May 24 2012 21:54 bigbeau wrote:
Posted this earlier but just so it doesnt get lost in the thread. In response to someone saying 2 fungals kill marines with or without combat shield:

TL;DR Medivacs heal 3 HP every time they cast the heal ability on a unit. They do this about 3 times a second. Over the course of 2 fungals, a medivacs will heal a unit about 24 times. A marine with combat shield only needs to be healed twice (6 HP) for it to survive 2 fungals with 1 hp remaining. That equates to one medivac per 12 marines, a reasonable number. So having combat shield will most likely save a marine from a two-fungal death if medivacs are involved.

Medivacs heal 9 hp/sec. Fungals do 30 damage over 4 secs. Marines have 45 health w/o combat and 55 with.

An issue arises in that medivacs heal 9 hp/sec focusing a single marine, but they spread out their healing over the army. They do heal 3 hp every 'heal', so lets assume the marines getting healed for 3 hp/3 sec or 1 hp/sec since thats about the time it takes for a medivac to heal all the other marines.

Without combat shield: Marine gets fungaled, takes 30 damage, gets healed for 4 hp. Has 19 Health Remaining. Gets fungaled again, dies.

With combat shield: Marines gets fungaled, takes 30 damage, gets healed for 4 hp. Has 29 Health remaining. Gets fungaled again,Has 3 health remaining, thats an extra fungal.

Obviously some crude math with the medivac healing rate, but the medivac would only have to heal the marine twice within the 8 seconds ( Each heal is 3 HP) to live with 1 life with combat shield.


Honestly, medivacs do not split up their healing automatically. They pick the lowest bio unit and start healing until full. Repeat until out of energy or targets. Sometimes it seems like they split, because they are grouped with stutter stepping bio, where they heal, get a move command and then pick a new target. Yet watch them in a fungal situation.. each medivac saves one marine if left alone.

So unless you factor in medivac micro and other dmg, combat shield does not influece the number of fungals needed to kill marines.


Oops, you're right. I'm still going with 3 fungals because, lets be honest with each other, who DOESNT micro their medivac healing? ^_^

Counterquestion: Who does?

But I will conceed: WIth combat shield, each medivac microed perfectly can save 12 marines, leaving them with 1 hp each. Without combat shield only 4 marines are saved with 3 each.


Byun actually has his medivacs on a different hotkey to do just this.

I have my medivacs on a different hotkey, too. But it's not for 'medivac micro'... I haven't seen him getting fungled and microing his medivacs to save more marines.
Fragile51
Profile Joined October 2011
Netherlands15767 Posts
May 24 2012 13:17 GMT
#1306
On May 24 2012 22:16 michielbrands wrote:
lets hope both MC & Seed lose, so both MC & Zenio can advance due to the 3 way tie and tiebreakers!


Sorry bud, but im pulling for seed :p dont care who else gets out tbh.
Koshi
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Belgium38799 Posts
May 24 2012 13:17 GMT
#1307
I don't know who is more wrong with player advancement.
All people in the LR combined or Wolf/Khaldor.

I have heard everything.
I had a good night of sleep.
Asha
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom38257 Posts
May 24 2012 13:17 GMT
#1308
MC now expanding? WTF is this build.

Did he just misread a 1/1/1 from Tree or something?
CygnusAres
Profile Joined August 2011
Singapore893 Posts
May 24 2012 13:17 GMT
#1309
No scan yet from Tree?
"I am the master of my fate, I am the captain of my soul" - Invictus. Favorite Players: TaeJa, Bogus, and Zest, Fighting!
bigbeau
Profile Joined October 2010
368 Posts
May 24 2012 13:17 GMT
#1310
God damn MC that is a HEAVY 1 base allin. DT immortal 4 gate lolol!
Thrombozyt
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
Germany1269 Posts
May 24 2012 13:17 GMT
#1311
Anyhow... back to the game.. what the hell is going on? Dual Sight TvP and it's NOT a 1/1/1?
Logros
Profile Joined September 2010
Netherlands9913 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-05-24 13:18:57
May 24 2012 13:18 GMT
#1312
Great play from MC.


On May 24 2012 22:17 bigbeau wrote:
God damn MC that is a HEAVY 1 base allin. DT immortal 4 gate lolol!

Wut? He has an expo.
Asha
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom38257 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-05-24 13:19:24
May 24 2012 13:19 GMT
#1313
On May 24 2012 22:18 Logros wrote:
Great play from MC.


Show nested quote +
On May 24 2012 22:17 bigbeau wrote:
God damn MC that is a HEAVY 1 base allin. DT immortal 4 gate lolol!

Wut? He has an expo.


He went DT immortal and 4 gate before taking the Nexus...
ibo422
Profile Joined April 2012
Belgium2844 Posts
May 24 2012 13:19 GMT
#1314
Dammit, if he waited a bit longer
Logros
Profile Joined September 2010
Netherlands9913 Posts
May 24 2012 13:20 GMT
#1315
On May 24 2012 22:19 Asha` wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 24 2012 22:18 Logros wrote:
Great play from MC.


On May 24 2012 22:17 bigbeau wrote:
God damn MC that is a HEAVY 1 base allin. DT immortal 4 gate lolol!

Wut? He has an expo.


He went DT immortal and 4 gate before taking the Nexus...

Yeah but it's not a 1 base allin. He had the nexus started before his DT shrine was even done.
Tsubbi
Profile Joined September 2010
Germany7996 Posts
May 24 2012 13:20 GMT
#1316
wtf is tree doing, hes playing so bad today
summerloud
Profile Joined March 2010
Austria1201 Posts
May 24 2012 13:20 GMT
#1317
(P)MC vs (T)Tree

map: Dual Sight

(P)MC: 3W1L
(T)Tree: 1W3L

+ Show Spoiler +

5:00

MC orange protoss to the right
Tree teal terran to the left

MC gate,gas
Tree barracks, gas

Tree going for reactor rax CC expand
MC going 1gate robo


10:00

MC with an immortal and a hidden twilight council
Tree has a reactored barracks and a factory with a techlab and floats down his CC to his natural

MC getting a dark shrine! and two more gates for a total of four
MC also taking his natural

MC warps in two DTs close to Tree's natural

DTs kill two siegetanks at the natural
Tree eventually gets a turret up
LimitSEA
Profile Blog Joined August 2011
Australia9580 Posts
May 24 2012 13:20 GMT
#1318
C'mon MC.. C'monnnnn. ><
Long live the King of Wings
Logros
Profile Joined September 2010
Netherlands9913 Posts
May 24 2012 13:20 GMT
#1319
MC should mix in a few DTs.
LeLfe
Profile Joined February 2011
France3160 Posts
May 24 2012 13:20 GMT
#1320
On May 24 2012 22:17 Fragile51 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 24 2012 22:16 michielbrands wrote:
lets hope both MC & Seed lose, so both MC & Zenio can advance due to the 3 way tie and tiebreakers!


Sorry bud, but im pulling for seed :p dont care who else gets out tbh.



I'm on the "seed + nomatterwho" team as well
Writer for Red bull (Fr) and Iron Squid (En/Fr) @ClemLeLfe on twitter
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