If MC tries to play his weird Blink Stalker build into tech build in PvT, he will probably lose. If he can get some of the Parting build rolling, he has a better chance.
Also, MC is 1-7 against Ganzi in foreign tournaments. It looks bleak, MC fans.
On May 16 2012 17:31 SeaSwift wrote: If MC tries to play his weird Blink Stalker build into tech build in PvT, he will probably lose. If he can get some of the Parting build rolling, he has a better chance.
Also, MC is 1-7 against Ganzi in foreign tournaments. It looks bleak, MC fans.
If MC drops to Up and Downs, that would be quite the killer group, since aLive and Jjakji already failed to make it thru.
I'm not sure whether or not I can do both an LR and keep the thread updated with polls and such. Sounds like a bit too much work. Anyone else able to do the live reports?
On May 16 2012 17:48 KristofferAG wrote: I'm not sure whether or not I can do both an LR and keep the thread updated with polls and such. Sounds like a bit too much work. Anyone else able to do the live reports?
I've already made the polls, you just need to copy and paste them in as the games end
On May 16 2012 17:48 KristofferAG wrote: I'm not sure whether or not I can do both an LR and keep the thread updated with polls and such. Sounds like a bit too much work. Anyone else able to do the live reports?
I've already made the polls, you just need to copy and paste them in as the games end
On May 16 2012 17:48 KristofferAG wrote: I'm not sure whether or not I can do both an LR and keep the thread updated with polls and such. Sounds like a bit too much work. Anyone else able to do the live reports?
I've already made the polls, you just need to copy and paste them in as the games end
On May 16 2012 17:31 SeaSwift wrote: If MC tries to play his weird Blink Stalker build into tech build in PvT, he will probably lose. If he can get some of the Parting build rolling, he has a better chance.
Also, MC is 1-7 against Ganzi in foreign tournaments. It looks bleak, MC fans.
Well he's 3-0 vs Ganzi in the GSL so there's still hope
On May 16 2012 17:31 SeaSwift wrote: If MC tries to play his weird Blink Stalker build into tech build in PvT, he will probably lose. If he can get some of the Parting build rolling, he has a better chance.
Also, MC is 1-7 against Ganzi in foreign tournaments. It looks bleak, MC fans.
Well he's 3-0 vs Ganzi in the GSL so there's still hope
On May 16 2012 17:31 SeaSwift wrote: If MC tries to play his weird Blink Stalker build into tech build in PvT, he will probably lose. If he can get some of the Parting build rolling, he has a better chance.
Also, MC is 1-7 against Ganzi in foreign tournaments. It looks bleak, MC fans.
Well he's 3-0 vs Ganzi in the GSL so there's still hope
On May 16 2012 18:12 Die4Ever wrote: some sick matches tonight too! why is there so much awesome this week?
code A RO24 is always pretty sick :D
On May 16 2012 18:13 blacklist_member wrote:
On May 16 2012 17:31 SeaSwift wrote: If MC tries to play his weird Blink Stalker build into tech build in PvT, he will probably lose. If he can get some of the Parting build rolling, he has a better chance.
Also, MC is 1-7 against Ganzi in foreign tournaments. It looks bleak, MC fans.
Well he's 3-0 vs Ganzi in the GSL so there's still hope
but he's 1-7 against ganzi outside of gsl...
But this is the GSL.... outside doesn't count..
or atleast i hope so
no you are right, if the outside counted MKP would be a champion
5.00 MVPKeen spawning as the red Terran in the 5 o'clock position. SlayerS_MMA spawning as the blue Terran in the 11 o'clock position.
Keen goes gas before Barracks. MMA goes 1-rax expansion.
Factory up on 18 for Keen. MMA takes both of his geysers in the main.
Second gas taken by Keen. Reactor added on to the barracks for Keen.
Tech lab on Keen's factory, Starport placed down right next to the Factory. Factory going down for MMA as he bunkers his natural.
10.00 CC down for Keen as he begins his first Banshee. Starport added on for MMA.
Keen following up Banshee with a Raven. Siege tank production started for both players.
Banshee from Keen goes into the natural of MMA but is not able to do any damage before getting taken out. Siege tech on the way for MMA, adding on two Barracks and taking a gas on the natural.
Keen making multiple Vikings and starting his own Siege Tech. Engineering Bay added on for MMA.
Keen looks to be pushing out, takes a single gas on his natural. MMA is six workers ahead.
Keen sieges up on the third of MMA, and starts shelling the Refinery. MMA manages to take out the Raven but loses all his marines. Keen pulls back.
On May 16 2012 18:23 Shock710 wrote: this is one that was before hot summer, Edit: opps wrong one Apink I Don't Know http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_L0O1VJjh_A quoting this so the op can add it
On May 16 2012 18:23 Shock710 wrote: this is one that was before hot summer, Edit: opps wrong one Apink I Don't Know http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_L0O1VJjh_A quoting this so the op can add it
5.00 MVPKeen spawning as the red Terran in the 5 o'clock position. SlayerS_MMA spawning as the blue Terran in the 11 o'clock position.
Keen goes gas before Barracks. MMA goes 1-rax expansion.
Factory up on 18 for Keen. MMA takes both of his geysers in the main.
Second gas taken by Keen. Reactor added on to the barracks for Keen.
Tech lab on Keen's factory, Starport placed down right next to the Factory. Factory going down for MMA as he bunkers his natural.
10.00 CC down for Keen as he begins his first Banshee. Starport added on for MMA.
Keen following up Banshee with a Raven. Siege tank production started for both players.
Banshee from Keen goes into the natural of MMA but is not able to do any damage before getting taken out. Siege tech on the way for MMA, adding on two Barracks and taking a gas on the natural.
Keen making multiple Vikings and starting his own Siege Tech. Engineering Bay added on for MMA.
Keen looks to be pushing out, takes a single gas on his natural. MMA is six workers ahead.
Keen sieges up on the third of MMA, and starts shelling the Refinery. MMA manages to take out the Raven but loses all his marines. Keen pulls back.
15.00 Keen sieges up on the Xel'Naga Tower near Keen, but loses everything as MMA decides to clean it up with a small marine/tank army. Blue Flame Hellion on the way for Keen.
MMA is starting +1 armor for infantry and Stim pak. MMA sieges up on the main of Keen, but loses his Vikings and thus the air control. A couple scans go down and MMA keeps shelling the production facilities of MMA.
Both players adding on a CC, MMA adding on a fourth, Keen a third. MMA unsieges and moves back to the natural of Keen.
MMA finally sieges up close to the ramp to the natural of Keen. Armory on the way for Keen. Concussive Shells researching for MMA, while he transfers workers to his third.
Armory and second Engineering Bay added on for MMA.
On May 16 2012 18:23 Shock710 wrote: this is one that was before hot summer, Edit: opps wrong one Apink I Don't Know http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_L0O1VJjh_A quoting this so the op can add it
5.00 MVPKeen spawning as the red Terran in the 5 o'clock position. SlayerS_MMA spawning as the blue Terran in the 11 o'clock position.
Keen goes gas before Barracks. MMA goes 1-rax expansion.
Factory up on 18 for Keen. MMA takes both of his geysers in the main.
Second gas taken by Keen. Reactor added on to the barracks for Keen.
Tech lab on Keen's factory, Starport placed down right next to the Factory. Factory going down for MMA as he bunkers his natural.
10.00 CC down for Keen as he begins his first Banshee. Starport added on for MMA.
Keen following up Banshee with a Raven. Siege tank production started for both players.
Banshee from Keen goes into the natural of MMA but is not able to do any damage before getting taken out. Siege tech on the way for MMA, adding on two Barracks and taking a gas on the natural.
Keen making multiple Vikings and starting his own Siege Tech. Engineering Bay added on for MMA.
Keen looks to be pushing out, takes a single gas on his natural. MMA is six workers ahead.
Keen sieges up on the third of MMA, and starts shelling the Refinery. MMA manages to take out the Raven but loses all his marines. Keen pulls back.
15.00 Keen sieges up on the Xel'Naga Tower near Keen, but loses everything as MMA decides to clean it up with a small marine/tank army. Blue Flame Hellion on the way for Keen.
MMA is starting +1 armor for infantry and Stim pak. MMA sieges up on the main of Keen, but loses his Vikings and thus the air control. A couple scans go down and MMA keeps shelling the production facilities of MMA.
Both players adding on a CC, MMA adding on a fourth, Keen a third. MMA unsieges and moves back to the natural of Keen.
MMA finally sieges up close to the ramp to the natural of Keen. Armory on the way for Keen. Concussive Shells researching for MMA, while he transfers workers to his third.
Armory and second Engineering Bay added on for MMA.
20.00 Keen takes out his back rocks and takes the third. MMA adds on three more Barracks. Keen adds on a second Armory.
MMA runs into the new third of Keen but is unable to do much damage with his bio forces. A bunch of Hellions get taken out but MMA pulls. Meanwhile a group of marines take out the fourth of MMA.
A big double drop goes down in the main of, forcing Keen to pull all of his Hellions and Vikings back. Multiple SCVs go down before it's cleaned up. In the meanting MMA gets a fourth CC again, while pushing into the third of Keen. Keen forced to pull workers, and manages to push MMA a bit back, out of reach of the CC.
Keen go for a big drop which is easily stopped by MMA. As MMA's Vikings follow the Medivacs back, Keen calls the GG.
For some reason I decided to get on the Keen hype train again. I am pretty sure that I will never be able to really predict when he will do well and not.
5.00 MVPKeen spawning as the red Terran in the 3 o'clock position. SlayerS_MMA spawning as the blue Terran in the 6 o'clock position.
Both players going the same build, Keen going gas first into Rax, MMA going Rax first into CC. Factory on the way for Keen.
MMA takes both geysers in his main. Reactor added on to the Barracks for Keen, next to the Factory.
I'm eating an apple, it's really juicy.
CC going down on the natural for Keen as he swaps the Barracks and Factory. Hellion production started. Factory on the way for MMA.
Starport starting for Keen.
10.00 Keen's hellions manage to get into MMA's base! Scouts the Starport and delays it, while killing three SCVs. Keen has started siege tank production as he takes his third gas on the natural.
First Banshee and Cloak on the way for MMA, as his Marines move out. Siege tech research started for Keen.
MMA's Banshee moving into the main of Keen, cloak almost finished. Keen moving out and pushing into the natural of MMA as the Banshee of MMA keeps doing damage.
Siege tech finishes for Keen, MMA starts his. Keen sieges up and MMA pulls a bunch of SCVs to stop the attack. The SCVs fall but the attack is cleaned up. Small drop from Keen also manages to do some damage.
On May 16 2012 18:36 opterown wrote: polt is marauderking
byun is ghostking
I watched all his IPL games. He didn't make one ghost in any of them. It made me a sad bear, but I can't blame him since after the patch.
He's said on his stream he wants to change id's back to byun because he thinks ghosts suck now :p
When was the last time he streamed? :O
If I've been missing him I'll cry T_T
He'll always be ghostking in my heart, if only for being probably the first guy in the GSL to really use them well in TvZ (vs Zenio)
hasn't streamed for a while. he's playing for Code S tomorrow!! i love the dude too :D
His stream was my favourite as far as terrans go, funny guy, insanely good player and pretty good music too. I really hope he wins vs TheSTC tomorrow, he sounded kinda cocky about it after his win vs FXOTree :p
5.00 MVPKeen spawning as the red Terran in the 3 o'clock position. SlayerS_MMA spawning as the blue Terran in the 6 o'clock position.
Both players going the same build, Keen going gas first into Rax, MMA going Rax first into CC. Factory on the way for Keen.
MMA takes both geysers in his main. Reactor added on to the Barracks for Keen, next to the Factory.
I'm eating an apple, it's really juicy.
CC going down on the natural for Keen as he swaps the Barracks and Factory. Hellion production started. Factory on the way for MMA.
Starport starting for Keen.
10.00 Keen's hellions manage to get into MMA's base! Scouts the Starport and delays it, while killing three SCVs. Keen has started siege tank production as he takes his third gas on the natural.
First Banshee and Cloak on the way for MMA, as his Marines move out. Siege tech research started for Keen.
MMA's Banshee moving into the main of Keen, cloak almost finished. Keen moving out and pushing into the natural of MMA as the Banshee of MMA keeps doing damage.
Siege tech finishes for Keen, MMA starts his. Keen sieges up and MMA pulls a bunch of SCVs to stop the attack. The SCVs fall but the attack is cleaned up. Small drop from Keen also manages to do some damage.
15.00 Banshee from MMA keeps harassing Keen, but is eventually forced out. MMA manages to save a second banshee by sacrificing a Viking.
Now Keen is sending in a Banshee to harass the mineral line of MMA. Quick cloak saves it from a Viking. A drop from Keen is cleaned up by two cloaked Banshees.
Keen now getting stimpack, +1 infantry attack and Combat Shields while adding on 4 Rax. Third CC turned into an Orbital. MMA getting +1 mech attack.
Keen adding on a second Engineering bay. Another drop from Keen is scared away.
Keen now taking his third, at the same time as MMA.
5.00 MVPKeen spawning as the red Terran in the 3 o'clock position. SlayerS_MMA spawning as the blue Terran in the 6 o'clock position.
Both players going the same build, Keen going gas first into Rax, MMA going Rax first into CC. Factory on the way for Keen.
MMA takes both geysers in his main. Reactor added on to the Barracks for Keen, next to the Factory.
I'm eating an apple, it's really juicy.
CC going down on the natural for Keen as he swaps the Barracks and Factory. Hellion production started. Factory on the way for MMA.
Starport starting for Keen.
10.00 Keen's hellions manage to get into MMA's base! Scouts the Starport and delays it, while killing three SCVs. Keen has started siege tank production as he takes his third gas on the natural.
First Banshee and Cloak on the way for MMA, as his Marines move out. Siege tech research started for Keen.
MMA's Banshee moving into the main of Keen, cloak almost finished. Keen moving out and pushing into the natural of MMA as the Banshee of MMA keeps doing damage.
Siege tech finishes for Keen, MMA starts his. Keen sieges up and MMA pulls a bunch of SCVs to stop the attack. The SCVs fall but the attack is cleaned up. Small drop from Keen also manages to do some damage.
15.00 Banshee from MMA keeps harassing Keen, but is eventually forced out. MMA manages to save a second banshee by sacrificing a Viking.
Now Keen is sending in a Banshee to harass the mineral line of MMA. Quick cloak saves it from a Viking. A drop from Keen is cleaned up by two cloaked Banshees.
Keen now getting stimpack, +1 infantry attack and Combat Shields while adding on 4 Rax. Third CC turned into an Orbital. MMA getting +1 mech attack.
Keen adding on a second Engineering bay. Another drop from Keen is scared away.
Keen now taking his third, at the same time as MMA.
20.00 A rogue Banshee is taken out, but forces another scan from MMA. Keen moving out with a small infantry and tank army.
Keen getting +1 mech attack. MMA dropping blue flame Hellions into the main of Keen, but is only able to take out about 5 SCVs before he's pushed ou.
Another big drop from Keen coming in towards the third of MMA, but a full Medivac is taken out, and a second half-full is taken out. Two siege tanks on the high ground provide support and allows Keen to kill multiple SCVs!
A big infantry army runs into the main of MMA and absolutely destroys the production facilities of MMA, ana d bunch of SCVs. The main orbital is saved. +2 armor for infantry on the way for Keen.
Wow that was such quick reactions by Keen, he picked up bio while stimming and splitting on two flanks for a very very quick bio bomb across the tanks. Impressive
5.00 MVPKeen spawning as the red Terran in the 3 o'clock position. SlayerS_MMA spawning as the blue Terran in the 6 o'clock position.
Both players going the same build, Keen going gas first into Rax, MMA going Rax first into CC. Factory on the way for Keen.
MMA takes both geysers in his main. Reactor added on to the Barracks for Keen, next to the Factory.
I'm eating an apple, it's really juicy.
CC going down on the natural for Keen as he swaps the Barracks and Factory. Hellion production started. Factory on the way for MMA.
Starport starting for Keen.
10.00 Keen's hellions manage to get into MMA's base! Scouts the Starport and delays it, while killing three SCVs. Keen has started siege tank production as he takes his third gas on the natural.
First Banshee and Cloak on the way for MMA, as his Marines move out. Siege tech research started for Keen.
MMA's Banshee moving into the main of Keen, cloak almost finished. Keen moving out and pushing into the natural of MMA as the Banshee of MMA keeps doing damage.
Siege tech finishes for Keen, MMA starts his. Keen sieges up and MMA pulls a bunch of SCVs to stop the attack. The SCVs fall but the attack is cleaned up. Small drop from Keen also manages to do some damage.
15.00 Banshee from MMA keeps harassing Keen, but is eventually forced out. MMA manages to save a second banshee by sacrificing a Viking.
Now Keen is sending in a Banshee to harass the mineral line of MMA. Quick cloak saves it from a Viking. A drop from Keen is cleaned up by two cloaked Banshees.
Keen now getting stimpack, +1 infantry attack and Combat Shields while adding on 4 Rax. Third CC turned into an Orbital. MMA getting +1 mech attack.
Keen adding on a second Engineering bay. Another drop from Keen is scared away.
Keen now taking his third, at the same time as MMA.
20.00 A rogue Banshee is taken out, but forces another scan from MMA. Keen moving out with a small infantry and tank army.
Keen getting +1 mech attack. MMA dropping blue flame Hellions into the main of Keen, but is only able to take out about 5 SCVs before he's pushed ou.
Another big drop from Keen coming in towards the third of MMA, but a full Medivac is taken out, and a second half-full is taken out. Two siege tanks on the high ground provide support and allows Keen to kill multiple SCVs!
A big infantry army runs into the main of MMA and absolutely destroys the production facilities of MMA, ana d bunch of SCVs. The main orbital is saved. +2 armor for infantry on the way for Keen.
Keen adding on a fourth CC.
25.00 Drop from Keen is able to take out the Sensor Tower, but doesn't do any other damage. Couple of Hellions from MMA kill off a couple SCVs in the natural of Keen, but fall quickly.
Keen is going for yet another drop, but it's spotted and pulls back. +3 infantry and +2 mech attack going for Keen.
2 more CC for MMA and 1 for Keen in production. MMA getting +2 mech attack.
3 Starports on the way for Keen! Thor production started for MMA as he adds on another Starport.
Keen takes the two gas on his new fourth. Fusion Core in production for Commander Keen!
Keen goes for it! A huge infantry army goes in up the middle of the map while a small group goes in from the 9 o'clock position, north of Keen's third. All the tanks of MMa are destroyed quickly!
5.00 MVPKeen spawning as the red Terran in the 3 o'clock position. SlayerS_MMA spawning as the blue Terran in the 6 o'clock position.
Both players going the same build, Keen going gas first into Rax, MMA going Rax first into CC. Factory on the way for Keen.
MMA takes both geysers in his main. Reactor added on to the Barracks for Keen, next to the Factory.
I'm eating an apple, it's really juicy.
CC going down on the natural for Keen as he swaps the Barracks and Factory. Hellion production started. Factory on the way for MMA.
Starport starting for Keen.
10.00 Keen's hellions manage to get into MMA's base! Scouts the Starport and delays it, while killing three SCVs. Keen has started siege tank production as he takes his third gas on the natural.
First Banshee and Cloak on the way for MMA, as his Marines move out. Siege tech research started for Keen.
MMA's Banshee moving into the main of Keen, cloak almost finished. Keen moving out and pushing into the natural of MMA as the Banshee of MMA keeps doing damage.
Siege tech finishes for Keen, MMA starts his. Keen sieges up and MMA pulls a bunch of SCVs to stop the attack. The SCVs fall but the attack is cleaned up. Small drop from Keen also manages to do some damage.
15.00 Banshee from MMA keeps harassing Keen, but is eventually forced out. MMA manages to save a second banshee by sacrificing a Viking.
Now Keen is sending in a Banshee to harass the mineral line of MMA. Quick cloak saves it from a Viking. A drop from Keen is cleaned up by two cloaked Banshees.
Keen now getting stimpack, +1 infantry attack and Combat Shields while adding on 4 Rax. Third CC turned into an Orbital. MMA getting +1 mech attack.
Keen adding on a second Engineering bay. Another drop from Keen is scared away.
Keen now taking his third, at the same time as MMA.
20.00 A rogue Banshee is taken out, but forces another scan from MMA. Keen moving out with a small infantry and tank army.
Keen getting +1 mech attack. MMA dropping blue flame Hellions into the main of Keen, but is only able to take out about 5 SCVs before he's pushed ou.
Another big drop from Keen coming in towards the third of MMA, but a full Medivac is taken out, and a second half-full is taken out. Two siege tanks on the high ground provide support and allows Keen to kill multiple SCVs!
A big infantry army runs into the main of MMA and absolutely destroys the production facilities of MMA, ana d bunch of SCVs. The main orbital is saved. +2 armor for infantry on the way for Keen.
Keen adding on a fourth CC.
25.00 Drop from Keen is able to take out the Sensor Tower, but doesn't do any other damage. Couple of Hellions from MMA kill off a couple SCVs in the natural of Keen, but fall quickly.
Keen is going for yet another drop, but it's spotted and pulls back. +3 infantry and +2 mech attack going for Keen.
2 more CC for MMA and 1 for Keen in production. MMA getting +2 mech attack.
3 Starports on the way for Keen! Thor production started for MMA as he adds on another Starport.
Keen takes the two gas on his new fourth. Fusion Core in production for Commander Keen!
Keen goes for it! A huge infantry army goes in up the middle of the map while a small group goes in from the 9 o'clock position, north of Keen's third. All the tanks of MMa are destroyed quickly!
30.00 Once again keen runs in with infantry, into the main and natural of MMA, killing more tanks and some production facilities as well as some workers. MMA now getting his fourth base set up as Keen takes his fifth.
BIG drop coming in from Keen, but it's spotted and Keen is forced to drop them in the location of the fifth for MMA. Three more full medivacs come in, drops on the siege tanks defending the fourth of MMA while running down with the units placed on the 10 o'clock main. The CC on the fourth of MMA falls, as does the remainders of MMA's army. GG is called.
On May 16 2012 18:56 Gorlin wrote: Cool multitasking by Keen, but it was pretty sloppy and did not seem very efficient, but he just had a huge lead so it didn't matter.
I root for Keen every time he plays, if he were to turn into a top player he would bring fangirls to the yard. And fangirls are always helpful for growth.
On May 16 2012 18:49 Asha` wrote: I think Keen's slow rate of expanding is going to lose him the game.
MKP would have 12 CC done by now :o
Nah, he would have 14 CC to begin with.
MKP will get raped. This is the GSL, not the ez tournies he won recently.
Haha, good one ;D
OK, I exagerated a little bit, but so does "12 and 14 CC" compared to 3 or 4 CC. At this level anyone can beat anyone. MKP will get crushed if he gets 12 CC in this game.
On May 16 2012 18:58 SkullZ9 wrote: Huh, they are talking like MMA has no results in Korea, but he won a GSL and the blizzard cup lol
It's funny, because MMA lost to MVP in Anaheim, got destroyed during Providence even though he was the heavy favorite as one of the top 4 seeds, couldn't even qualify for Winter Arena, lost to Puma at IEM, and lost to Squirtle at IPL.
Sure, he never really lost to foreigners, but I'd argue that MMA's results in Korea are so much stronger.
On May 16 2012 19:00 TheBanana wrote: I root for Keen every time he plays, if he were to turn into a top player he would bring fangirls to the yard. And fangirls are always helpful for growth.
Plus confident Keen does ceremonies.
He hasn't really done any for a long time because he feels like it ruins his focus =(
5.00 MVPKeen spawning as the red Terran in the 7 o'clock position. SlayerS_MMA spawning as the blue Terran in the 1 o'clock position.
Both players going gas into Barracks. Factory up next for both. MMA is denied scouting.
Second gas going down for Keen. Both players placing down the Starport next to the Factory.
10.00 There's the swap for Keen, Starport onto the Tech lab of the Factory and going for Banshee + Cloak. MMA goes for Hellion drop.
Keen getting a CC behind this. Viking on the way for MMA, no CC.
Keen waiting for a second Banshee before moving out. MMA goes for the drop, but spots the Marines waiting. Drops a Hellion and scouts the Banshee.
CC now on the way for MMA. Third CC down for Keen.
Banshee goes into the nat of MMA and delays the CC by a lot, on 99,9% finished. Second Banshee goes into the main of MMA and is able to kill of a bunch of SCVs, total of 9.
Both banshee's survive the scan, before one dies as it runs out of energy. Second makes it out. Behind this Keen is getting an Engineering Bay, two Barracks, and starting tank production.
On May 16 2012 18:49 Asha` wrote: I think Keen's slow rate of expanding is going to lose him the game.
MKP would have 12 CC done by now :o
Nah, he would have 14 CC to begin with.
MKP will get raped. This is the GSL, not the ez tournies he won recently.
Haha, good one ;D
OK, I exagerated a little bit, but so does "12 and 14 CC" compared to 3 or 4 CC. At this level anyone can beat anyone. MKP will get crushed if he gets 12 CC in this game.
Nah that was just a bad pun with the 12 CC count and the CC first MKP is fond of :/
5.00 MVPKeen spawning as the red Terran in the 7 o'clock position. SlayerS_MMA spawning as the blue Terran in the 1 o'clock position.
Both players going gas into Barracks. Factory up next for both. MMA is denied scouting.
Second gas going down for Keen. Both players placing down the Starport next to the Factory.
10.00 There's the swap for Keen, Starport onto the Tech lab of the Factory and going for Banshee + Cloak. MMA goes for Hellion drop.
Keen getting a CC behind this. Viking on the way for MMA, no CC.
Keen waiting for a second Banshee before moving out. MMA goes for the drop, but spots the Marines waiting. Drops a Hellion and scouts the Banshee.
CC now on the way for MMA. Third CC down for Keen.
Banshee goes into the nat of MMA and delays the CC by a lot, on 99,9% finished. Second Banshee goes into the main of MMA and is able to kill of a bunch of SCVs, total of 9.
Both banshee's survive the scan, before one dies as it runs out of energy. Second makes it out. Behind this Keen is getting an Engineering Bay, two Barracks, and starting tank production.
Siege tech on the way for MMA.
15.00 A Banshee in the nat of MMA is taken out quickly. A second Banshee is tharassing the army of MMA as a scan is used. MMA sieges up on the third of Keen and is able to kill the tech lab on the Starport and a couple Supply Depots. A Banshee starts shooting the tanks of MMA but a quick scan is used to take it out. MMA keeps his contain.
MMA getting +1 attack. Keen getting Stimpak and +1 attack.
Keen is moving out, MMA decides to pull a bit back himself. Stim starting for MMA as well. Combat Shields on the way for both players.
MMA moves closer with his siege tanks. Keens sees it and pulls all the SCVs on his natural. Amazing control makes sure that very few SCVs fall, and Keen cleans up without Stim!
Keen moves out as he flies his CC to this third. A drop from MMA heading towards the main of Keen, but it's repelled by a turret, but MMA drops the third. Keen runs down a group of units from his main and deflects.
5.00 MVPKeen spawning as the red Terran in the 7 o'clock position. SlayerS_MMA spawning as the blue Terran in the 1 o'clock position.
Both players going gas into Barracks. Factory up next for both. MMA is denied scouting.
Second gas going down for Keen. Both players placing down the Starport next to the Factory.
10.00 There's the swap for Keen, Starport onto the Tech lab of the Factory and going for Banshee + Cloak. MMA goes for Hellion drop.
Keen getting a CC behind this. Viking on the way for MMA, no CC.
Keen waiting for a second Banshee before moving out. MMA goes for the drop, but spots the Marines waiting. Drops a Hellion and scouts the Banshee.
CC now on the way for MMA. Third CC down for Keen.
Banshee goes into the nat of MMA and delays the CC by a lot, on 99,9% finished. Second Banshee goes into the main of MMA and is able to kill of a bunch of SCVs, total of 9.
Both banshee's survive the scan, before one dies as it runs out of energy. Second makes it out. Behind this Keen is getting an Engineering Bay, two Barracks, and starting tank production.
Siege tech on the way for MMA.
15.00 A Banshee in the nat of MMA is taken out quickly. A second Banshee is tharassing the army of MMA as a scan is used. MMA sieges up on the third of Keen and is able to kill the tech lab on the Starport and a couple Supply Depots. A Banshee starts shooting the tanks of MMA but a quick scan is used to take it out. MMA keeps his contain.
MMA getting +1 attack. Keen getting Stimpak and +1 attack.
Keen is moving out, MMA decides to pull a bit back himself. Stim starting for MMA as well. Combat Shields on the way for both players.
MMA moves closer with his siege tanks. Keens sees it and pulls all the SCVs on his natural. Amazing control makes sure that very few SCVs fall, and Keen cleans up without Stim!
Keen moves out as he flies his CC to this third. A drop from MMA heading towards the main of Keen, but it's repelled by a turret, but MMA drops the third. Keen runs down a group of units from his main and deflects.
20.00 Another Medivac from MMA is taken out as it tries to go along the top of the map, where Keen is holding position with tanks and marines. Keen moving in with another army towards the nat of MMA.
Another Engineering Bay and an Armory on the way for MMA. Another Factory down for Keen. Third Orbital finishing up for MMA.
Big drop from Keen coming in , dropping on some siege tanks between the third and nat of MMA. Terrible move from Keen as MMA is already sieged up on the high-ground and low ground, and the army of Keen is destroyed. Keen still in supply lead!
Another two medivacs in the top of the map for Keen. MMA takes his third. 2/2 on the way for both players, +1 attack for mech on the way for MMA.
Why are Wolf and Khaldor ONCE AGAIN talking down the players. Keen is keeping MMA from maxing out due to econ lead. Look at the supply. He is keeping the same 40 supply lead!
5.00 MVPKeen spawning as the red Terran in the 7 o'clock position. SlayerS_MMA spawning as the blue Terran in the 1 o'clock position.
Both players going gas into Barracks. Factory up next for both. MMA is denied scouting.
Second gas going down for Keen. Both players placing down the Starport next to the Factory.
10.00 There's the swap for Keen, Starport onto the Tech lab of the Factory and going for Banshee + Cloak. MMA goes for Hellion drop.
Keen getting a CC behind this. Viking on the way for MMA, no CC.
Keen waiting for a second Banshee before moving out. MMA goes for the drop, but spots the Marines waiting. Drops a Hellion and scouts the Banshee.
CC now on the way for MMA. Third CC down for Keen.
Banshee goes into the nat of MMA and delays the CC by a lot, on 99,9% finished. Second Banshee goes into the main of MMA and is able to kill of a bunch of SCVs, total of 9.
Both banshee's survive the scan, before one dies as it runs out of energy. Second makes it out. Behind this Keen is getting an Engineering Bay, two Barracks, and starting tank production.
Siege tech on the way for MMA.
15.00 A Banshee in the nat of MMA is taken out quickly. A second Banshee is tharassing the army of MMA as a scan is used. MMA sieges up on the third of Keen and is able to kill the tech lab on the Starport and a couple Supply Depots. A Banshee starts shooting the tanks of MMA but a quick scan is used to take it out. MMA keeps his contain.
MMA getting +1 attack. Keen getting Stimpak and +1 attack.
Keen is moving out, MMA decides to pull a bit back himself. Stim starting for MMA as well. Combat Shields on the way for both players.
MMA moves closer with his siege tanks. Keens sees it and pulls all the SCVs on his natural. Amazing control makes sure that very few SCVs fall, and Keen cleans up without Stim!
Keen moves out as he flies his CC to this third. A drop from MMA heading towards the main of Keen, but it's repelled by a turret, but MMA drops the third. Keen runs down a group of units from his main and deflects.
20.00 Another Medivac from MMA is taken out as it tries to go along the top of the map, where Keen is holding position with tanks and marines. Keen moving in with another army towards the nat of MMA.
Another Engineering Bay and an Armory on the way for MMA. Another Factory down for Keen. Third Orbital finishing up for MMA.
Big drop from Keen coming in , dropping on some siege tanks between the third and nat of MMA. Terrible move from Keen as MMA is already sieged up on the high-ground and low ground, and the army of Keen is destroyed. Keen still in supply lead!
Another two medivacs in the top of the map for Keen. MMA takes his third. 2/2 on the way for both players, +1 attack for mech on the way for MMA.
25.00 Small group of marines from MMA taken out in the bottom as it tries to run into the third. Another CC on the way for MMA as he takes two more gas on his third.
Keen controls the middle and is moving towards the base of MMA, but MMA catches Keen unsieged and gets another great engagement! Almost able to destroy the Medivac fleet of Keen but reinforcements from Keen arrive and MMA pulls back.
Keen now trying to go around the top towards the third of MMA, but it's spotted and MMA pulls back. Another engagement at the bottom of the ramp to MMA's third, Keen tries to run in as MMA is unsieged, but is once again destroyed and forced to pull back!
MMA now getting 3/3. Keen getting a fourth on the right side of the map, MMA taking a fourth to the south of his natural.
Keen finally gets a good position on the third of MMA and forces a lift-off. MMA finally gets to land his CC as Keen moves towards the fourth of MMA, but he doesn't see it!
Wow, he put soooo much pressure on MMA - commentators seeing it as a snarf but it seemed he just played out his advantage in the most aggresive way possible - which isn't that easy in a TvT!!!
5.00 MVPKeen spawning as the red Terran in the 7 o'clock position. SlayerS_MMA spawning as the blue Terran in the 1 o'clock position.
Both players going gas into Barracks. Factory up next for both. MMA is denied scouting.
Second gas going down for Keen. Both players placing down the Starport next to the Factory.
10.00 There's the swap for Keen, Starport onto the Tech lab of the Factory and going for Banshee + Cloak. MMA goes for Hellion drop.
Keen getting a CC behind this. Viking on the way for MMA, no CC.
Keen waiting for a second Banshee before moving out. MMA goes for the drop, but spots the Marines waiting. Drops a Hellion and scouts the Banshee.
CC now on the way for MMA. Third CC down for Keen.
Banshee goes into the nat of MMA and delays the CC by a lot, on 99,9% finished. Second Banshee goes into the main of MMA and is able to kill of a bunch of SCVs, total of 9.
Both banshee's survive the scan, before one dies as it runs out of energy. Second makes it out. Behind this Keen is getting an Engineering Bay, two Barracks, and starting tank production.
Siege tech on the way for MMA.
15.00 A Banshee in the nat of MMA is taken out quickly. A second Banshee is tharassing the army of MMA as a scan is used. MMA sieges up on the third of Keen and is able to kill the tech lab on the Starport and a couple Supply Depots. A Banshee starts shooting the tanks of MMA but a quick scan is used to take it out. MMA keeps his contain.
MMA getting +1 attack. Keen getting Stimpak and +1 attack.
Keen is moving out, MMA decides to pull a bit back himself. Stim starting for MMA as well. Combat Shields on the way for both players.
MMA moves closer with his siege tanks. Keens sees it and pulls all the SCVs on his natural. Amazing control makes sure that very few SCVs fall, and Keen cleans up without Stim!
Keen moves out as he flies his CC to this third. A drop from MMA heading towards the main of Keen, but it's repelled by a turret, but MMA drops the third. Keen runs down a group of units from his main and deflects.
20.00 Another Medivac from MMA is taken out as it tries to go along the top of the map, where Keen is holding position with tanks and marines. Keen moving in with another army towards the nat of MMA.
Another Engineering Bay and an Armory on the way for MMA. Another Factory down for Keen. Third Orbital finishing up for MMA.
Big drop from Keen coming in , dropping on some siege tanks between the third and nat of MMA. Terrible move from Keen as MMA is already sieged up on the high-ground and low ground, and the army of Keen is destroyed. Keen still in supply lead!
Another two medivacs in the top of the map for Keen. MMA takes his third. 2/2 on the way for both players, +1 attack for mech on the way for MMA.
25.00 Small group of marines from MMA taken out in the bottom as it tries to run into the third. Another CC on the way for MMA as he takes two more gas on his third.
Keen controls the middle and is moving towards the base of MMA, but MMA catches Keen unsieged and gets another great engagement! Almost able to destroy the Medivac fleet of Keen but reinforcements from Keen arrive and MMA pulls back.
Keen now trying to go around the top towards the third of MMA, but it's spotted and MMA pulls back. Another engagement at the bottom of the ramp to MMA's third, Keen tries to run in as MMA is unsieged, but is once again destroyed and forced to pull back!
MMA now getting 3/3. Keen getting a fourth on the right side of the map, MMA taking a fourth to the south of his natural.
Keen finally gets a good position on the third of MMA and forces a lift-off. MMA finally gets to land his CC as Keen moves towards the fourth of MMA, but he doesn't see it!
30.00 Keen goes for a massive doom drop into the main of MMA with siege tanks and marines, sieging up and is able to kill off a bunch of production and the Orbital Command. All the Supply Depots in the main of MMA fall.
Another group of Marines and tanks move towards the third of MMA and are able to take out the tanks defending MMA flanks the tanks on his own third and takes them out, but Keen is still in the main of MMA doing damage to the supply depots and production facilities.
+3 armor and +2 mech attack finishing up for Keen. A massive amount of units moving across the map towards MMA's third, forcing another lif-tup, and takes out the OC again! Single Manner Mule dropped.
Goddamnit mma :/ I feel like he played better for most of the game, but just got too far behind in the early game. Why can't you just make ebays earlier
I just started watching, was the cloak banshee defense this game? I'm kinda shocked because despite horrible banshee control of his own, he actually defends banshees quite well. WP by keen from what I've seen.
Casters fail to acknowledge that this is a map you have to be aggressive once you reach 3 bases. The terrain is just too good to deny 4th and pressure the 3rd at the same time. It's not wise to ease up the pressure and let go of that positioning.
5.00 MVPKeen spawning as the red Terran in the 7 o'clock position. SlayerS_MMA spawning as the blue Terran in the 1 o'clock position.
Both players going gas into Barracks. Factory up next for both. MMA is denied scouting.
Second gas going down for Keen. Both players placing down the Starport next to the Factory.
10.00 There's the swap for Keen, Starport onto the Tech lab of the Factory and going for Banshee + Cloak. MMA goes for Hellion drop.
Keen getting a CC behind this. Viking on the way for MMA, no CC.
Keen waiting for a second Banshee before moving out. MMA goes for the drop, but spots the Marines waiting. Drops a Hellion and scouts the Banshee.
CC now on the way for MMA. Third CC down for Keen.
Banshee goes into the nat of MMA and delays the CC by a lot, on 99,9% finished. Second Banshee goes into the main of MMA and is able to kill of a bunch of SCVs, total of 9.
Both banshee's survive the scan, before one dies as it runs out of energy. Second makes it out. Behind this Keen is getting an Engineering Bay, two Barracks, and starting tank production.
Siege tech on the way for MMA.
15.00 A Banshee in the nat of MMA is taken out quickly. A second Banshee is tharassing the army of MMA as a scan is used. MMA sieges up on the third of Keen and is able to kill the tech lab on the Starport and a couple Supply Depots. A Banshee starts shooting the tanks of MMA but a quick scan is used to take it out. MMA keeps his contain.
MMA getting +1 attack. Keen getting Stimpak and +1 attack.
Keen is moving out, MMA decides to pull a bit back himself. Stim starting for MMA as well. Combat Shields on the way for both players.
MMA moves closer with his siege tanks. Keens sees it and pulls all the SCVs on his natural. Amazing control makes sure that very few SCVs fall, and Keen cleans up without Stim!
Keen moves out as he flies his CC to this third. A drop from MMA heading towards the main of Keen, but it's repelled by a turret, but MMA drops the third. Keen runs down a group of units from his main and deflects.
20.00 Another Medivac from MMA is taken out as it tries to go along the top of the map, where Keen is holding position with tanks and marines. Keen moving in with another army towards the nat of MMA.
Another Engineering Bay and an Armory on the way for MMA. Another Factory down for Keen. Third Orbital finishing up for MMA.
Big drop from Keen coming in , dropping on some siege tanks between the third and nat of MMA. Terrible move from Keen as MMA is already sieged up on the high-ground and low ground, and the army of Keen is destroyed. Keen still in supply lead!
Another two medivacs in the top of the map for Keen. MMA takes his third. 2/2 on the way for both players, +1 attack for mech on the way for MMA.
25.00 Small group of marines from MMA taken out in the bottom as it tries to run into the third. Another CC on the way for MMA as he takes two more gas on his third.
Keen controls the middle and is moving towards the base of MMA, but MMA catches Keen unsieged and gets another great engagement! Almost able to destroy the Medivac fleet of Keen but reinforcements from Keen arrive and MMA pulls back.
Keen now trying to go around the top towards the third of MMA, but it's spotted and MMA pulls back. Another engagement at the bottom of the ramp to MMA's third, Keen tries to run in as MMA is unsieged, but is once again destroyed and forced to pull back!
MMA now getting 3/3. Keen getting a fourth on the right side of the map, MMA taking a fourth to the south of his natural.
Keen finally gets a good position on the third of MMA and forces a lift-off. MMA finally gets to land his CC as Keen moves towards the fourth of MMA, but he doesn't see it!
30.00 Keen goes for a massive doom drop into the main of MMA with siege tanks and marines, sieging up and is able to kill off a bunch of production and the Orbital Command. All the Supply Depots in the main of MMA fall.
Another group of Marines and tanks move towards the third of MMA and are able to take out the tanks defending MMA flanks the tanks on his own third and takes them out, but Keen is still in the main of MMA doing damage to the supply depots and production facilities.
+3 armor and +2 mech attack finishing up for Keen. A massive amount of units moving across the map towards MMA's third, forcing another lif-tup, and takes out the OC again! Single Manner Mule dropped.
35.00 Small drop from MMA kills of multiple SCVs on the fourth of Keen, but Keen cleans it up. Two more bases are up for Keen
MMA manages to take out the PLanetary fourth of Keen, but Keen runs the Marines down. MMA takes the fight near the planetary on his fourth, but the 3/3 marines of Keen is too much. The rest of MMA's army falls, and GG is called.
On May 16 2012 19:17 Gorlin wrote: Goddamnit mma :/ I feel like he played better for most of the game, but just got too far behind in the early game. Why can't you just make ebays earlier
yeah i feel like mma's decision making in battles were better? but yeah was way behind after early harrass
On May 16 2012 19:17 Gorlin wrote: Goddamnit mma :/ I feel like he played better for most of the game, but just got too far behind in the early game. Why can't you just make ebays earlier
yeah i feel like mma's decision making in battles were better? but yeah was way behind after early harrass
Yeah, MMA Really strugled in the early game with defending banshee's. But overall MMA really was cost efficient.
Is there anything that can be done about my Gom player constantly dropping the video and cutting back to the orange backdrop with the logo? Every 1-2 minutes it's doing this. -.-
Looking forward to the next match, 2 of the leading 3 from the next generation. Personally think Creator is going to edge Maru despite Maru being so impressive this season, tough draw for Prime though having to have them play each other.
On May 16 2012 19:22 jhk72 wrote: So how does U&D work? Can MMA get to Code S this comming season?
yep
6 player groups (sometimes 5), round robin group play (bo1), top 2 go to Code S, rest are Code A next season.
I feel like that last game was played absolutely brilliantly by Keen, constant trading and pressure to keep MMA even more off balance than he already was.
On May 16 2012 19:23 cablesc wrote: All props to Keen, he played a great series. But I hate early game banshees. They just make the game so volatile. A flying DT. Come on!
Nothing volatile about it tbh, they got scouted and were just poorly defended.
On May 16 2012 19:24 ceaRshaf wrote: Why is it called round robin? Such an ugly name.
It's from French:
The modern use of the term dates from the 17th Century French ruban rond (round ribbon). This described the practice of signatories to petitions against authority (usually Government officials petitioning the Crown) appending their names on a document in a non-hierarchical circle or ribbon pattern (and so disguising the order in which they have signed) so that none may be identified as a ringleader.
I feel SlayerS needs to pick up a new promising player... MMA not getting the best practice atm specially after the fall of Ryung tvt....and the leave of ganzi and teja
On May 16 2012 19:22 jhk72 wrote: So how does U&D work? Can MMA get to Code S this comming season?
U&D works like this: If MMA's group has 3 or more protosses, he'll stay code a. If there are 2 protosses, MMA will stay code a with 70% probability, 1 protoss means 30% probability, no protoss means something is fishy with up&down groups.
On May 16 2012 19:27 The Fish wrote: Is Maru really that short, or is he just slumping in his chair? edit: Ok he was just slumping. That, or he got a few phonebooks..
On May 16 2012 19:27 The Fish wrote: Is Maru really that short, or is he just slumping in his chair? edit: Ok he was just slumping. That, or he got a few phonebooks..
On May 16 2012 19:22 jhk72 wrote: So how does U&D work? Can MMA get to Code S this comming season?
U&D works like this: If MMA's group has 3 or more protosses, he'll stay code a. If there are 2 protosses, MMA will stay code a with 70% probability, 1 protoss means 30% probability, no protoss means something is fishy with up&down groups.
This is a really interesting match up. I actually picked creator in LB due to his experience and inter-team dynamic meaning I thought he would have the upper hand (+protoss )
On May 16 2012 19:27 The Fish wrote: Is Maru really that short, or is he just slumping in his chair? edit: Ok he was just slumping. That, or he got a few phonebooks..
LOL. I think teenagers' fastest growing period is between 14-17 years old. Maru is 14. He'll pop up there soon.
It's interesting that this LR-thread is running incredibly slow. Maybe everyone is playing D3 but the thread yesterday ran also pretty slow as well. Why are so few people interested in such amazing players?
The modern use of the term dates from the 17th Century French ruban rond (round ribbon). This described the practice of signatories to petitions against authority (usually Government officials petitioning the Crown) appending their names on a document in a non-hierarchical circle or ribbon pattern (and so disguising the order in which they have signed) so that none may be identified as a ringleader.
Oh I'm french but I didn't know that actually ! That's interesting as I use it at work, thx
On May 16 2012 19:33 Yello wrote: It's interesting that this LR-thread is running incredibly slow. Maybe everyone is playing D3 but the thread yesterday ran also pretty slow as well. Why are so few people interested in such amazing players?
On May 16 2012 19:33 Yello wrote: It's interesting that this LR-thread is running incredibly slow. Maybe everyone is playing D3 but the thread yesterday ran also pretty slow as well. Why are so few people interested in such amazing players?
Code A + D3 I'd say.
I kinda like it, feels like a much friendlier and tight-nit LR community
Anyone that plays and know what's good with D3? All I see on stream is charaters running around doing nothing and then slash at others once in a while.
Wolf mentioning he didn't see comebacks of Protoss when losing the natural and being contained like this. Somehow I always lose after bringing Protoss into this position, mostly against 4-gate-immortal-allins. I still give Creator a good chance.
Yeah I am kinda surprised at the casting today and yesterday, I know both Wolf and Khaldor are veryg ood casters, but it's been kinda lacking today and yesterday. #blamediablo3?
On May 16 2012 19:41 KristofferAG wrote: Yeah I am kinda surprised at the casting today and yesterday, I know both Wolf and Khaldor are veryg ood casters, but it's been kinda lacking today and yesterday. #blamediablo3?
maybe .... the effects of Error 37 are still lingering in my body
He got a lead, but then he underestimated how strong an all-in from protoss can be. He knew he was weak against it and didn't take the proper precautions. This wasn't creator playing well but maru just just thinking lol. Honestly creator had two options here, attack with an all-in (most likely) or double expand. With both options maru should ahve had two spread out bunkers up and be ready incase of a counter-attack, if hes wrong and it's a double expand then he can sell the bunkers and grab the few extra marines and move in to crush creator's smaller army at that time.
And this is where you die to the counter attack. If you committ to any serious pressure as toss and you don't do game ending damage you just lose as protoss is just so cost-inefficient to terran/zerg in the early game. I'm surprised Maru just didn't attack the nat instead of trying to drop there.
On May 16 2012 19:41 KristofferAG wrote: Yeah I am kinda surprised at the casting today and yesterday, I know both Wolf and Khaldor are veryg ood casters, but it's been kinda lacking today and yesterday. #blamediablo3?
maybe .... the effects of Error 37 are still lingering in my body
On May 16 2012 19:40 xrapture wrote: what the hell are these casters talking about. Creator had and has no chance to win this game
In my opinion it was close enough. Maru used perfect SCV-pulls and good focus firing. If he played just a little bit worse Creator would have won the game right there. Even without winning he could catch up a little and can now try to carry it into the later stages, where Protoss is strongest. Maru is still in the lead but you shouldn't count Creator out like this.
Boy, wolf seems really off today. His reading and judgement doesn't make any sense. Protoss is on 1 base economy vs 3 orbitals. Both traded over 20 workers. Maru is ahead on upgrades. Maru is definitely ahead and has been for a while, he is only lacking sufficient viking support.
Lol, Maru has lost so many scvs this game and his income is still even with Creator. Unless you just do devastating damage killing scvs doesn't matter as toss.
On May 16 2012 19:45 Sea_aeS wrote: I think Terrans fear too much late game vs protoss .... he would have won by playing a macro game, no need to do a stupid all in T_T
seriously, how can wolf have cast thousands upon thousands of games and still predict stuff wrong 75% of the time. It just doesn't compute. Maybe he's right and he really is off tonight
On May 16 2012 19:37 samurai80 wrote: TvP is getting more and more boring... All-in pushes every time from terrans
It's the way the matchup is. You can thank Blizzard for it.
"Yo terrans you just need to do damage early/mid game to get an advantage"
couple matches later...
"Wow terrans are such cheesy, no skill players"
There is a reason we complain about late-game so much It's because those all-ins/hard timings are neither fun for viewers or for players. It's very possible to fight protoss in a macro game but it is INSANELY difficult.
On May 16 2012 19:40 kheldorin wrote: Casters calling everything wrong again especially Wolf. So very annoying.
Wolf always tries to guess before hand.
I usually don't get annoyed by stuff like this, but when you condescendingly keep calling out the desicions of better players you better be flawless when you see everything. Or else it's just comes across as you're ignorantly arrogant, and that is in fact annoying.
On May 16 2012 19:46 Ghrimnar wrote: Am i the only one who is annoyed by the completely misguided commentary today? Oo
No, that really was a bit frustrating to listen to. I wish they'd just admit that they're unsure where the advantage lies when games go off into non-standard situations.
On May 16 2012 19:49 Pure-SC2 wrote: Maru must have felt that he was behind when he wasn't.
He was ahead first but he kind of botched it when he sacrified all scvs like 30-40 for nothing? Also I don't know why Wolf blamed Creator for not making probes, if he had made probes he might not be able to hold that attack that won him the game, zzz
Maru made a crucial mistake in not going hard on the defense back at his base. No reason not to do that, there was nothing that creator could do to win the game other than that.
Then his second attack he fell into a classic terran trap, trying to kill the protoss. He needed to see the collosus, and just go back and make a few vikings while taking out a third if creator tried for it. Big problem for terrans in TvP is trying to end it early but not in the right way. If he had waited for a few vikings then he could have crushed creator with the exact same attack a few minutes later.
On May 16 2012 19:46 Ghrimnar wrote: Am i the only one who is annoyed by the completely misguided commentary today? Oo
No, that really was a bit frustrating to listen to. I wish they'd just admit that they're unsure where the advantage lies when games go off into non-standard situations.
Yea, you have a great point here. Just comes off sounding really condescending...
I have a little problem with GOM player audio. I can't hear anything even though it says sound on. I've tried to put sound off and back on and nothing happens. How can i fix this?
On May 16 2012 19:47 KristofferAG wrote: Why gg there?
He was going to lose that fight badly.
Three bases in the back, taken out Colo, upgrade advantage, sure, behind in army and could lose to a counter, but still.
1 colo still alive, upgrade advantage from protoss (1-1 with +2 armor nearly done vs 1-1 with no armory), 3 base vs 3 base with protoss massively ahead in the worker count and you just lost your army.
On May 16 2012 19:46 Ghrimnar wrote: Am i the only one who is annoyed by the completely misguided commentary today? Oo
No, that really was a bit frustrating to listen to. I wish they'd just admit that they're unsure where the advantage lies when games go off into non-standard situations.
Yea, you have a great point here. Just comes off sounding really condescending...
Wolf has always been condescending. Just because he hasn't seen a Protoss recover after losing the Nexus doesn't mean the game is an auto-loss for Protoss. He called the game's result so very early.
5.00 MaruPrime spawning as the blue Terran in the 7 o'clock position. CreatorPrime spawning as the red Protoss in the 1 o'clock position.
Maru goes 1-rax and and denies scouting, goes for FE. Creator has 1 Gateway and 1 Cybernetics, chrono boosting warp gate. One gas.
2 more Gateways added on for Creator. Bunker up on the nat for Maru.
Forward pylon down for Creator. 3-gate pressure coming in from Creator.
10.00 Pressure comes in from Creator. Maru building second Bunker. Quickly repairs the first bunker, takes out a Stalker. Creator pressure fails.
Maru forced to keep SCVs pulled off. Nexus down for Creator, getting two more Gateways in the back.
Stalkers does some more damage to the bunker. maru seems to forget to repair, but repairs in the last second. Multiple Sentries being warped in for Creator.
Two Engineering Bays up for Maru. Maru unloads the bunkers and moves out, not aware of Sentries! Quick forcefields trap all the Marines, follow-up forcefields deny repairs. The bunkers fall and as the huge Protoss army pushes up the ramp gg is called.
so fn gosu, hid the sentries, taunted maru non-stop, maintained perfect macro and also control at the front, perfect forcefields and then just put out the raep
Autorepair sux usually, autorepair has very few practical uses. In the bunker example, if your scvs are on autorepair and some of them take stalker shots, they'll start trying to repair themselves and it'll suck hard. Typical only use of autorepair is when you have a mech army, some scv with autorepair are very useful, or are harassing with hellions, you put your scv that occupy the xelnaga towers to autorepair, so you can just pull back the hellions and forget it. But autorepair for bunkers is terrible.
Euggh. Triple CC into fast four gas, only make a dozen or so marines, get addons so your not producing anything at all, move out your only marines, lose the game. Terrible decisions when you know at the very least you are up against a non-economical protoss opening.
On May 16 2012 20:00 Elwar wrote: Euggh. Triple CC into fast four gas, only make a dozen or so marines, get addons so your not producing anything at all, move out your only marines, lose the game. Terrible decisions when you know at the very least you are up against a non-economical protoss opening.
His BO was perfect and held off the aggression perfectly. The marine move-out was a problem, but it's an easy mistake to make if you don't have full map vision.
On May 16 2012 19:59 MrCon wrote: Autorepair sux usually, autorepair has very few practical uses. In the bunker example, if your scvs are on autorepair and some of them take stalker shots, they'll start trying to repair themselves and it'll suck hard. Typical only use of autorepair is when you have a mech army, some scv with autorepair are very useful, or are harassing with hellions, you put your scv that occupy the xelnaga towers to autorepair, so you can just pull back the hellions and forget it. But autorepair for bunkers is terrible.
Sometimes when you have been harrassed alot it can be awesome to pull one scv from mining and put him on auto repair so he fixes all your scv's before the next drop/runby comes. I love my scv's on full hp, after all you never know when its time to pull them all and attack:D
On May 16 2012 19:56 Thrombozyt wrote: I'ts the weak protoss early game!
Go whine somewhere else.
How was he whining? O.o
You post in every balance related thread on TL, you might have become overly sensitive.
Pretty obvious he's whining dude, unless you missed the sarcasm. It's not like there aren't a ton of balance threads these days that he can post in instead.
Is they called that an all-in ? It was a contain maybe but not an all-in imo. I mean, Wolf says it's an all-in and on the next second a second Nexus warps-in. Creator knew that by containing Maru like this, he would steal him a lot of mining time so that Creator's eco is not too far behind. That's why Maru had to try to stop this contain, but it just didn't go well, Creator had a nice reaction and that's it.
On May 16 2012 19:59 MrCon wrote: Autorepair sux usually, autorepair has very few practical uses. In the bunker example, if your scvs are on autorepair and some of them take stalker shots, they'll start trying to repair themselves and it'll suck hard. Typical only use of autorepair is when you have a mech army, some scv with autorepair are very useful, or are harassing with hellions, you put your scv that occupy the xelnaga towers to autorepair, so you can just pull back the hellions and forget it. But autorepair for bunkers is terrible.
Sometimes when you have been harrassed alot it can be awesome to pull one scv from mining and put him on auto repair so he fixes all your scv's before the next drop/runby comes. I love my scv's on full hp, after all you never know when its time to pull them all and attack:D
Dunno if Auto-repair should even exist to be honest. Seems unnessesary
On May 16 2012 19:59 MrCon wrote: Autorepair sux usually, autorepair has very few practical uses. In the bunker example, if your scvs are on autorepair and some of them take stalker shots, they'll start trying to repair themselves and it'll suck hard. Typical only use of autorepair is when you have a mech army, some scv with autorepair are very useful, or are harassing with hellions, you put your scv that occupy the xelnaga towers to autorepair, so you can just pull back the hellions and forget it. But autorepair for bunkers is terrible.
Sometimes when you have been harrassed alot it can be awesome to pull one scv from mining and put him on auto repair so he fixes all your scv's before the next drop/runby comes. I love my scv's on full hp, after all you never know when its time to pull them all and attack:D
Dunno if Auto-repair should even exist to be honest. Seems unnessesary
On May 16 2012 19:59 MrCon wrote: Autorepair sux usually, autorepair has very few practical uses. In the bunker example, if your scvs are on autorepair and some of them take stalker shots, they'll start trying to repair themselves and it'll suck hard. Typical only use of autorepair is when you have a mech army, some scv with autorepair are very useful, or are harassing with hellions, you put your scv that occupy the xelnaga towers to autorepair, so you can just pull back the hellions and forget it. But autorepair for bunkers is terrible.
Sometimes when you have been harrassed alot it can be awesome to pull one scv from mining and put him on auto repair so he fixes all your scv's before the next drop/runby comes. I love my scv's on full hp, after all you never know when its time to pull them all and attack:D
Dunno if Auto-repair should even exist to be honest. Seems unnessesary
On May 16 2012 19:59 Aeceus wrote: So, MC to 2-0 Ganzi? what do you guys think
Possible. If MC plays his standard, one dimensional, gimmicky play I wouldn't be surprised to see Ganzi advance. Every time MC reverts to that style of play, he seems to lose.
auto-repair isn't bad if you get all the scvs in position around the bunker and then put them on hold position and auto-repair. that way they won't herp derp around if one of them takes damage. But yeah if you have the apm its always better to manually direct them.
On May 16 2012 20:06 Gelenn wrote: auto-repair isn't bad if you get all the scvs in position around the bunker and then put them on hold position and auto-repair. that way they won't herp derp around if one of them takes damage. But yeah if you have the apm its always better to manually direct them.
Also dumb to hold position because when the forcefields go down, they won't try to scurry over to the next open spot and try to repair.
On May 16 2012 20:06 Gelenn wrote: auto-repair isn't bad if you get all the scvs in position around the bunker and then put them on hold position and auto-repair. that way they won't herp derp around if one of them takes damage. But yeah if you have the apm its always better to manually direct them.
Also dumb to hold position because when the forcefields go down, they won't try to scurry over to the next open spot and try to repair.
Like i said, its always better to manually direct them.
On May 16 2012 20:06 Gelenn wrote: auto-repair isn't bad if you get all the scvs in position around the bunker and then put them on hold position and auto-repair. that way they won't herp derp around if one of them takes damage. But yeah if you have the apm its always better to manually direct them.
Also dumb to hold position because when the forcefields go down, they won't try to scurry over to the next open spot and try to repair.
Like i said, its always better to manually direct them.
Besides, even if the stalkers hit the scv's, that's less DPS on the bunker itself.
On May 16 2012 20:08 Tsubbi wrote: calling mc 2 base is like calling mvp cheese king, they can do it but are able to do anything else too, thats what champions are made of
Come on, it's really not a fair comparison. MC got famous for his two-base timing deadly attacks, and not for his great macro and late-game. I'm a huge fan, don't get me wrong, but he's not at all as much of a complete player as Mvp
On May 16 2012 20:08 Tsubbi wrote: calling mc 2 base is like calling mvp cheese king, they can do it but are able to do anything else too, thats what champions are made of
To be fair all we saw out of MC for a long long long time (like 8 or so month's ill randomly toss out there) was 1- 2 base timing attacks and nothing else.
MVP played macro is every single matchup in almost all of his games and won that way through superior game-sense/strategy for a good 1.5 years or so. Lately he has mixed in alot more timing attacks/all-ins to catch players playing extemely greedy and people are just mad at him. No matter if MVP has probably 200+ solid macro gams under his belt, if he plays 6-9 games that aren't 40+ minute epics he's considered cheesy. Even if it's only over a few weeks.
5.00 coL.GanZi spawning as the red Terran in the 2 o'clock position. SK_MC spawning as the blue Protoss in the 8 o'clock position.
GanZi walling off at the top of his ramp with a Barracks, rallying cross-map. Gateway before Assimilator for MC.
MC getting Cybernetics Core and a Zealot. GanZi placing down CC on his natural.
Warpgate tech starting for MC, Stalker in production. GanZi bunkering his natural.
Probe gets up ramp, doesn't see CC. Both gas taken by GanZi.
Another Barracks added on for GanZi. MC taking his natural.
10.00 Factory down for GanZi. Robotics Facility down for MC.
Reactors on both Barracks for GanZi. Two more Gateways started by MC.
Siege tech started for GanZi. Warp Prism in production for MC.
GanZi walling off his natural with supply depots. MC loading up two sentries and 2 Zealots into his WP.
Moves towards main of GanZi, but Marines are there to intercept. MC pulls back. MC sends in Warp prism at the bottom of GanZi's main, but loses it with the two sentries and zealots!
Forge and Twilight Council on the way for MC. Ganzi getting 1/1 and stimpack. Starport added on.
3 more Barracks placed down by GanZi, using Factory to scout. 3 more Gateways down for MC, getting blinka nd +1 armor.
On May 16 2012 20:15 Orracle wrote: Such awful awareness by MC. Such predictable play as well. Hope to see MC fall out, because he doesn't deserve to be where he is anymore IMO.
At least wait out the rest of the series before saying that....
On May 16 2012 20:15 Orracle wrote: Such awful awareness by MC. Such predictable play as well. Hope to see MC fall out, because he doesn't deserve to be where he is anymore IMO.
On May 16 2012 20:15 Orracle wrote: Such awful awareness by MC. Such predictable play as well. Hope to see MC fall out, because he doesn't deserve to be where he is anymore IMO.
At least wait out the rest of the series before saying that....
MC haters will jump at every chance they get :p They don't get all that much...
On May 16 2012 20:15 Orracle wrote: Such awful awareness by MC. Such predictable play as well. Hope to see MC fall out, because he doesn't deserve to be where he is anymore IMO.
At least wait out the rest of the series before saying that....
I would never have judged him off one simple mistake. He has consistently thrown games doing this exact same thing. Off the top of my head, I remember there was a PvP vs Oz(IIRC) where he tried some double immortal WP drop and the same thing happened.
This isn't some rarity is what I'm getting at.
On May 16 2012 20:17 Fragile51 wrote:
MC haters will jump at every chance they get :p They don't get all that much...
You were saying? He made mistake after mistake that game.
5.00 coL.GanZi spawning as the red Terran in the 2 o'clock position. SK_MC spawning as the blue Protoss in the 8 o'clock position.
GanZi walling off at the top of his ramp with a Barracks, rallying cross-map. Gateway before Assimilator for MC.
MC getting Cybernetics Core and a Zealot. GanZi placing down CC on his natural.
Warpgate tech starting for MC, Stalker in production. GanZi bunkering his natural.
Probe gets up ramp, doesn't see CC. Both gas taken by GanZi.
Another Barracks added on for GanZi. MC taking his natural.
10.00 Factory down for GanZi. Robotics Facility down for MC.
Reactors on both Barracks for GanZi. Two more Gateways started by MC.
Siege tech started for GanZi. Warp Prism in production for MC.
GanZi walling off his natural with supply depots. MC loading up two sentries and 2 Zealots into his WP.
Moves towards main of GanZi, but Marines are there to intercept. MC pulls back. MC sends in Warp prism at the bottom of GanZi's main, but loses it with the two sentries and zealots!
Forge and Twilight Council on the way for MC. Ganzi getting 1/1 and stimpack. Starport added on.
3 more Barracks placed down by GanZi, using Factory to scout. 3 more Gateways down for MC, getting blinka nd +1 armor.
Armory on the way for GanZi.
15.00 MC seems to be moving out with 2 Immortals. Medivac production started for GanZi.
Charge started for MC as he gets Templar Archives. Drop from GanZi gets intercepted, everything goes down. Only one Stalker taken out.
2/2 on the way for GanZi, as Concussive SHells start. +2 armor started for MC.
Combat Shields on the way for GanZi. GanZi getting another CC.
GanZi salvages his bunker, loses a Supply Depot on his ramp to some Stalkers. Storm started for MC as he adds on two Gateways.
Quick scan takes out an Observer. MC taking a third.
Another Warp prism being made by MC. GanZi looking to move out across the map.
Big engagement in the middle of the map, nice spread from GanZi. Two good storms go down for MC, but GanZi just has a too big army and a big upgrade advantage. The army of MC falls, and GanZi moves forward.
5.00 coL.GanZi spawning as the red Terran in the 2 o'clock position. SK_MC spawning as the blue Protoss in the 8 o'clock position.
GanZi walling off at the top of his ramp with a Barracks, rallying cross-map. Gateway before Assimilator for MC.
MC getting Cybernetics Core and a Zealot. GanZi placing down CC on his natural.
Warpgate tech starting for MC, Stalker in production. GanZi bunkering his natural.
Probe gets up ramp, doesn't see CC. Both gas taken by GanZi.
Another Barracks added on for GanZi. MC taking his natural.
10.00 Factory down for GanZi. Robotics Facility down for MC.
Reactors on both Barracks for GanZi. Two more Gateways started by MC.
Siege tech started for GanZi. Warp Prism in production for MC.
GanZi walling off his natural with supply depots. MC loading up two sentries and 2 Zealots into his WP.
Moves towards main of GanZi, but Marines are there to intercept. MC pulls back. MC sends in Warp prism at the bottom of GanZi's main, but loses it with the two sentries and zealots!
Forge and Twilight Council on the way for MC. Ganzi getting 1/1 and stimpack. Starport added on.
3 more Barracks placed down by GanZi, using Factory to scout. 3 more Gateways down for MC, getting blinka nd +1 armor.
Armory on the way for GanZi.
15.00 MC seems to be moving out with 2 Immortals. Medivac production started for GanZi.
Charge started for MC as he gets Templar Archives. Drop from GanZi gets intercepted, everything goes down. Only one Stalker taken out.
2/2 on the way for GanZi, as Concussive SHells start. +2 armor started for MC.
Combat Shields on the way for GanZi. GanZi getting another CC.
GanZi salvages his bunker, loses a Supply Depot on his ramp to some Stalkers. Storm started for MC as he adds on two Gateways.
Quick scan takes out an Observer. MC taking a third.
Another Warp prism being made by MC. GanZi looking to move out across the map.
Big engagement in the middle of the map, nice spread from GanZi. Two good storms go down for MC, but GanZi just has a too big army and a big upgrade advantage. The army of MC falls, and GanZi moves forward.
20.00 GanZi captures some Probes mid-transfer and kills them all off. Two more storms go down as GanZi moves up the ramp, siege tanks in position at the bottom of MC's natural. GanZi dodges the storms nicely, and gg is called.
On May 16 2012 20:15 Orracle wrote: Such awful awareness by MC. Such predictable play as well. Hope to see MC fall out, because he doesn't deserve to be where he is anymore IMO.
because 1 bad game means the player is awful... dont troll bait please
On May 16 2012 19:25 ladyumbra wrote: With Bomber in Code b for the moment Keen is my on again off again terran pick to do resonably well next season.
I think protoss or no protoss MMA should be solid enough to make it through the up/ downs.
You know Bomber is still alive in the Code A bracket right? =p
He plays Sniper for a spot in Code S tomorrow
Latest reply ever since I went to get food and watch some OSL. I'm dumb and haven't been paying enough attention to code A this season and just skimmed his liquipedia then got mixed up. In that case I'll be cheering for Bomber tomorrow ^-^.
5.00 coL.GanZi spawning as the red Terran in the 1 o'clock position. SK_MC spawning as the blue Protoss in the 7 o'clock position.
GanZi going 14 CC on the high-ground. Gateway into Assimilator for MC.
Two Barracks down for GanZi. Zealot and Cybernetics Core for MC.
Warpgate tech started for MC. Second CC morphing to Orbital for GanZi.
Another Barracks on the way for GanZi. Nexus down for MC.
Small pressure by MC, but Zealot falls and it's deflected. Probe scouts the double gas from GanZi.
10.00 Engineering Bay up for GanZi. Two more Gateways added on for MC.
+1 attack and Stimpack research on the way for GanZi. Bunker up on the natural of GanZi. Robotics Facility on the way for MC.
Second bunker up on the natural of GanZi. MC taking both gas on his natural.
Factory on the way for GanZi, adding on two Reactors, taking a gas on his natural. Twilight Council placed down by MC.
Starport next to the Factory for GanZi. 3 more Gateways added on for MC, starting Blink research.
Combat Shields started by GanZi. Another 2 Gateways on the way for MC, total of 8.
Another CC started by GanZi, +1 armor on the way. Taking second gas on natural. Charge started by MC, GanZi moving out.
15.00 Two more barracks, a second Engineering Bay and Armory added on for GanZi. Starting Concussive Shells. Templar Archives placed down by MC.
Warp Prism moving across the map with three Zealots for MC as he moves to the middle. Both players taking out the rocks to the third. MC taking a third.
Double Forge on the way for MC as he starts Storm. Third CC morphing into OC.
GanZi moving across the map. Drop from MC into the main.
GanZi pushes in! Factory blocking the way between the natural and third, not allowing Zealots in. Zealots in the main of GanZi are taken out in spite of MC warping in.
MC's build was pretty bad for that map and for what Ganzi was doing. Mass gateway and then no aggression when Ganzi was already economically ahead from 14CC. Really late upgrades and aoe too.
Get AoE, get upgrades or be prepared to forcefield your ramp until you have AoE. Don't move out when you have a bad army MC, especially on a map like Entombed!
I'm really sad for MC. But not only the position but also the timing greatly favored Ganzi and there was some luck here as well. But wp from Ganzi. Now I really hope he loses in RO32.
I mean that the way that game played out had nothing to do with map balance. MC was out on the map with an inferior unit comp and got completely rolled.
On May 16 2012 20:34 Xtreme94 wrote: Look like GanZI is MC arch nemesis...GanZI seem to be never lose to MC after last season GSL code S MC beat him...
MC also lost to aLive at Iron Squid and to Polt somewhere recently.
that was as bad as it can get :-< but one should never count out MC, remember the time when he looked clueless in PvZ, then he came back almost invincible in the mu
On May 16 2012 20:34 MooLen wrote: WTF 8 gate into late double forge into expand, i dont get it.
MC always does this(at least most of the time)..hope to catch an inferior terran army..and if it doesn't work..hope for godly forcefields.
The funny thing is, MKP practically plays that style in every TvP, and MC practices against MKP all the time.
If anyone watched that little showmatch between MKP and MC a couple weeks ago, MKP used similar builds 6 straight times, and dominated in 5 straight games after losing the first.
How has MC still not picked up on ways to stop that push? Warp prism harass is not the answer.
On May 16 2012 20:34 Xtreme94 wrote: Look like GanZI is MC arch nemesis...GanZI seem to be never lose to MC after last season GSL code S MC beat him...
MC also lost to aLive at Iron Squid and to Polt somewhere recently.
Pretty sure, this matchup bothers him in general.
He's also recently lost to Virus, Maru and a bunch of others. Thorzain 2-0'd him at MLG. I think Heart 3-0'd him at MLG? Just off the top of my head. Can't remember him winning many lately.
Protoss players are getting better at PvT, but he is getting worse.
On May 16 2012 20:34 MooLen wrote: WTF 8 gate into late double forge into expand, i dont get it.
MC always does this(at least most of the time)..hope to catch an inferior terran army..and if it doesn't work..hope for godly forcefields.
The funny thing is, MKP practically plays that style in every TvP, and MC practices against MKP all the time.
If anyone watched that little showmatch between MKP and MC a couple weeks ago, MKP used similar builds 6 straight times, and dominated in 5 straight games after losing the first.
How has MC still not picked up on ways to stop that push? Warp prism harass is not the answer.
Guess he's hoping that T will pull back to defend.
On May 16 2012 20:34 MooLen wrote: WTF 8 gate into late double forge into expand, i dont get it.
MC always does this(at least most of the time)..hope to catch an inferior terran army..and if it doesn't work..hope for godly forcefields.
The funny thing is, MKP practically plays that style in every TvP, and MC practices against MKP all the time.
If anyone watched that little showmatch between MKP and MC a couple weeks ago, MKP used similar builds 6 straight times, and dominated in 5 straight games after losing the first.
How has MC still not picked up on ways to stop that push? Warp prism harass is not the answer.
If you see photos of MC's room, you'll see he has this little box with a square hole in it, and lying next to it are a round peg and a giant freaking hammer
On May 16 2012 20:34 Xtreme94 wrote: Look like GanZI is MC arch nemesis...GanZI seem to be never lose to MC after last season GSL code S MC beat him...
MC also lost to aLive at Iron Squid and to Polt somewhere recently.
Pretty sure, this matchup bothers him in general.
He's also recently lost to Virus, Maru and a bunch of others. Thorzain 2-0'd him at MLG. I think Heart 3-0'd him at MLG? Just off the top of my head. Can't remember him winning many lately.
Protoss players are getting better at PvT, but he is getting worse.
Yea thats quite a painful list.
If he has to face aLive and Jjakji in Up and Downs, he can already say Hello to Code B.
On May 16 2012 20:34 Xtreme94 wrote: Look like GanZI is MC arch nemesis...GanZI seem to be never lose to MC after last season GSL code S MC beat him...
MC also lost to aLive at Iron Squid and to Polt somewhere recently.
Pretty sure, this matchup bothers him in general.
He's also recently lost to Virus, Maru and a bunch of others. Thorzain 2-0'd him at MLG. I think Heart 3-0'd him at MLG? Just off the top of my head. Can't remember him winning many lately.
Protoss players are getting better at PvT, but he is getting worse.
His style just seems outdated, I don't really get it. He goes for a very high gateway count on 2 bases, gets both TC upgrades but he's always slow on his forges and doesn't get aoe for ages, often only getting archons for a while before actually bothering to research storm after he's taken a fairly late third.
On May 16 2012 20:43 MrCash wrote: I remember Happy in Round of 4... It was Slayers vs IM on both sides of the bracket. MVP vs Ganzi and Happy vs MMA. It was a really cool Round of 4.
I know right, it was one of the best semi finals days ever even if it was all TvT.
On May 16 2012 20:43 MrCash wrote: I remember Happy in Round of 4... It was Slayers vs IM on both sides of the bracket. MVP vs Ganzi and Happy vs MMA. It was a really cool Round of 4.
I know right, it was one of the best semi finals days ever even if it was all TvT.
Poor Happy, almost no one loves him
Its more like he didnt won a big tournament so far, as well as being constantly in the shadow of IMMVP
5.00 LG-IMHappy spawning as the red Terran in the 1 o'clock position. fOrGG spawning as the blue Terran in the 7 o'clock position.
Gas first for fOrGG, followed by Barracks. Happy trying to proxy a Barracks, but it's found and forced to cancel. Happy places down a CC on his natural and follows it up with a Barracks on his main ramp.
fOrGG delaying the CC of Happy for a long time. Factory and second gas added on for fOrGG.
Second Barracks down for Happy. Starport follow-up for fOrGG, getting a Hellion on his Factory. Tech lab on the Barracks next tot he Starport.
5.00 LG-IMHappy spawning as the red Terran in the 1 o'clock position. fOrGG spawning as the blue Terran in the 7 o'clock position.
Gas first for fOrGG, followed by Barracks. Happy trying to proxy a Barracks, but it's found and forced to cancel. Happy places down a CC on his natural and follows it up with a Barracks on his main ramp.
fOrGG delaying the CC of Happy for a long time. Factory and second gas added on for fOrGG.
Second Barracks down for Happy. Starport follow-up for fOrGG, getting a Hellion on his Factory. Tech lab on the Barracks next tot he Starport.
Happy getting both gas in his main.
10.00 Cloak and Banshee on the way for fOrGG. Another Barracks on the way for Happy.
Engineering Bay on the way for Happy. Combat Shields started for Happy.
Bunker up on the natural of Happy. First Banshee on the way to Happy's base.
First turret on the way behind the main of Happy, but delayed a bit. Almost all the marines fall to the Banshee. Second Banshee heading out. +1 attack started for Happy.
Second Banshee arrives in the natural of Happy and keeps doing damage. Factory on the way for Happy as fOrGG moves out with siege tanks and marines. Siege tech starts.
Stimpack started by Happy as he adds on a Starport. CC placed down by fOrGG.
+1 attack finishes by Happy, starts +1 armor. Siege tech starts. fOrGG sieges up near the natural of Happy and starts sieging the Bunker. Bunker falls.
5.00 LG-IMHappy spawning as the red Terran in the 1 o'clock position. fOrGG spawning as the blue Terran in the 7 o'clock position.
Gas first for fOrGG, followed by Barracks. Happy trying to proxy a Barracks, but it's found and forced to cancel. Happy places down a CC on his natural and follows it up with a Barracks on his main ramp.
fOrGG delaying the CC of Happy for a long time. Factory and second gas added on for fOrGG.
Second Barracks down for Happy. Starport follow-up for fOrGG, getting a Hellion on his Factory. Tech lab on the Barracks next tot he Starport.
Happy getting both gas in his main.
10.00 Cloak and Banshee on the way for fOrGG. Another Barracks on the way for Happy.
Engineering Bay on the way for Happy. Combat Shields started for Happy.
Bunker up on the natural of Happy. First Banshee on the way to Happy's base.
First turret on the way behind the main of Happy, but delayed a bit. Almost all the marines fall to the Banshee. Second Banshee heading out. +1 attack started for Happy.
Second Banshee arrives in the natural of Happy and keeps doing damage. Factory on the way for Happy as fOrGG moves out with siege tanks and marines. Siege tech starts.
Stimpack started by Happy as he adds on a Starport. CC placed down by fOrGG.
+1 attack finishes by Happy, starts +1 armor. Siege tech starts. fOrGG sieges up near the natural of Happy and starts sieging the Bunker. Bunker falls.
15.00 Siege tanks move closer for fOrGG, stim is denied for Happy. The CC lifts off and is barely saved, but multiple SCVs fall.
fOrGG has his expansion up and keeps his contain. Vikings are out for Happy.
Combat shields on the way for fOrGG, getting a gas on his natural. Happy moves his tanks closer, loses one to the tanks, but takes out two. Banshee from fOrGG is moving in to take out a second tank. Stimpak restarted by Happy.
fOrGG sending in reinforcements. Happy unsieges and fOrGG move sin, taking out a couple tanks. Happy finally kills of the tanks.
Reinforcements form fOrGG moves up and once again contains Happy on his natural.
5.00 LG-IMHappy spawning as the red Terran in the 1 o'clock position. fOrGG spawning as the blue Terran in the 7 o'clock position.
Gas first for fOrGG, followed by Barracks. Happy trying to proxy a Barracks, but it's found and forced to cancel. Happy places down a CC on his natural and follows it up with a Barracks on his main ramp.
fOrGG delaying the CC of Happy for a long time. Factory and second gas added on for fOrGG.
Second Barracks down for Happy. Starport follow-up for fOrGG, getting a Hellion on his Factory. Tech lab on the Barracks next tot he Starport.
Happy getting both gas in his main.
10.00 Cloak and Banshee on the way for fOrGG. Another Barracks on the way for Happy.
Engineering Bay on the way for Happy. Combat Shields started for Happy.
Bunker up on the natural of Happy. First Banshee on the way to Happy's base.
First turret on the way behind the main of Happy, but delayed a bit. Almost all the marines fall to the Banshee. Second Banshee heading out. +1 attack started for Happy.
Second Banshee arrives in the natural of Happy and keeps doing damage. Factory on the way for Happy as fOrGG moves out with siege tanks and marines. Siege tech starts.
Stimpack started by Happy as he adds on a Starport. CC placed down by fOrGG.
+1 attack finishes by Happy, starts +1 armor. Siege tech starts. fOrGG sieges up near the natural of Happy and starts sieging the Bunker. Bunker falls.
15.00 Siege tanks move closer for fOrGG, stim is denied for Happy. The CC lifts off and is barely saved, but multiple SCVs fall.
fOrGG has his expansion up and keeps his contain. Vikings are out for Happy.
Combat shields on the way for fOrGG, getting a gas on his natural. Happy moves his tanks closer, loses one to the tanks, but takes out two. Banshee from fOrGG is moving in to take out a second tank. Stimpak restarted by Happy.
fOrGG sending in reinforcements. Happy unsieges and fOrGG move sin, taking out a couple tanks. Happy finally kills of the tanks.
Reinforcements form fOrGG moves up and once again contains Happy on his natural.
20.00 fOrGG starts a third CC Happy retakes his natural.
fOrGG pulls back. starts 1/1 on double Engineering Bay as Stim finishes. Another CC started for Happy as he takes a second gas on his natural.
Banshee moves in again, kills off a single SCV before it's killed by a scan. Armory on the way for Happy.
fOrGG starting an Armory of his own. Happy gets another Engineering Bay.
Factory added on for both players. Marine from Happy scouts the third of fOrGG.
Two more Barracks on the way for fOrGG. 2/2 on the way for Happy.
fOrGG starts 2/2 of his own and +1 mech attack. fOrGG has stopped SCV production, Happy has caught up and is in the worker lead!
Fin's macro was bad from the start. 1/1/1 with 400 minerals after making a CC and still having 6 marines queued on 1 rax? He's sick or something. Happy's going to take this.
On May 16 2012 20:59 aznball123 wrote: he underestimating happy's macro
Fin just forgot how to play SC 2. Horrific, horrific performance at that part of the game. They weren't being silly to say Happy shouldn't have been able to ever win that.
5.00 LG-IMHappy spawning as the red Terran in the 1 o'clock position. fOrGG spawning as the blue Terran in the 7 o'clock position.
Gas first for fOrGG, followed by Barracks. Happy trying to proxy a Barracks, but it's found and forced to cancel. Happy places down a CC on his natural and follows it up with a Barracks on his main ramp.
fOrGG delaying the CC of Happy for a long time. Factory and second gas added on for fOrGG.
Second Barracks down for Happy. Starport follow-up for fOrGG, getting a Hellion on his Factory. Tech lab on the Barracks next tot he Starport.
Happy getting both gas in his main.
10.00 Cloak and Banshee on the way for fOrGG. Another Barracks on the way for Happy.
Engineering Bay on the way for Happy. Combat Shields started for Happy.
Bunker up on the natural of Happy. First Banshee on the way to Happy's base.
First turret on the way behind the main of Happy, but delayed a bit. Almost all the marines fall to the Banshee. Second Banshee heading out. +1 attack started for Happy.
Second Banshee arrives in the natural of Happy and keeps doing damage. Factory on the way for Happy as fOrGG moves out with siege tanks and marines. Siege tech starts.
Stimpack started by Happy as he adds on a Starport. CC placed down by fOrGG.
+1 attack finishes by Happy, starts +1 armor. Siege tech starts. fOrGG sieges up near the natural of Happy and starts sieging the Bunker. Bunker falls.
15.00 Siege tanks move closer for fOrGG, stim is denied for Happy. The CC lifts off and is barely saved, but multiple SCVs fall.
fOrGG has his expansion up and keeps his contain. Vikings are out for Happy.
Combat shields on the way for fOrGG, getting a gas on his natural. Happy moves his tanks closer, loses one to the tanks, but takes out two. Banshee from fOrGG is moving in to take out a second tank. Stimpak restarted by Happy.
fOrGG sending in reinforcements. Happy unsieges and fOrGG move sin, taking out a couple tanks. Happy finally kills of the tanks.
Reinforcements form fOrGG moves up and once again contains Happy on his natural.
20.00 fOrGG starts a third CC Happy retakes his natural.
fOrGG pulls back. starts 1/1 on double Engineering Bay as Stim finishes. Another CC started for Happy as he takes a second gas on his natural.
Banshee moves in again, kills off a single SCV before it's killed by a scan. Armory on the way for Happy.
fOrGG starting an Armory of his own. Happy gets another Engineering Bay.
Factory added on for both players. Marine from Happy scouts the third of fOrGG.
Two more Barracks on the way for fOrGG. 2/2 on the way for Happy.
fOrGG starts 2/2 of his own and +1 mech attack. fOrGG has stopped SCV production, Happy has caught up and is in the worker lead!
25.00 fOrGG is supply blocked! Happy is moving out.
fOrGG taking the double gas on his third. Happy now containing fOrGG on his third, Banshee takes out a single siege tank.
Happy starts shelling the third CC of fOrGG. fOrGG tries to flank Happy with siege tanks in the back, but the spread of Happy is too good.
fOrGG forced to lift off his third CC. Drop on Happy's third takes out some SCVs before it's cleaned up.
Happy is almost 50 supply ahead. 3/3 starts for Happy as he starts taking down the rocks to the ramp of fOrGG's natural.
fOrGG catches Happy unsieged, stims in and takes out some Medivacs and does some damage, but is forced to pull back. fOrGG retakes his third.
Happy starts sieging up the third again. fOrGG only has 30 workers left!
5.00 LG-IMHappy spawning as the red Terran in the 1 o'clock position. fOrGG spawning as the blue Terran in the 7 o'clock position.
Gas first for fOrGG, followed by Barracks. Happy trying to proxy a Barracks, but it's found and forced to cancel. Happy places down a CC on his natural and follows it up with a Barracks on his main ramp.
fOrGG delaying the CC of Happy for a long time. Factory and second gas added on for fOrGG.
Second Barracks down for Happy. Starport follow-up for fOrGG, getting a Hellion on his Factory. Tech lab on the Barracks next tot he Starport.
Happy getting both gas in his main.
10.00 Cloak and Banshee on the way for fOrGG. Another Barracks on the way for Happy.
Engineering Bay on the way for Happy. Combat Shields started for Happy.
Bunker up on the natural of Happy. First Banshee on the way to Happy's base.
First turret on the way behind the main of Happy, but delayed a bit. Almost all the marines fall to the Banshee. Second Banshee heading out. +1 attack started for Happy.
Second Banshee arrives in the natural of Happy and keeps doing damage. Factory on the way for Happy as fOrGG moves out with siege tanks and marines. Siege tech starts.
Stimpack started by Happy as he adds on a Starport. CC placed down by fOrGG.
+1 attack finishes by Happy, starts +1 armor. Siege tech starts. fOrGG sieges up near the natural of Happy and starts sieging the Bunker. Bunker falls.
15.00 Siege tanks move closer for fOrGG, stim is denied for Happy. The CC lifts off and is barely saved, but multiple SCVs fall.
fOrGG has his expansion up and keeps his contain. Vikings are out for Happy.
Combat shields on the way for fOrGG, getting a gas on his natural. Happy moves his tanks closer, loses one to the tanks, but takes out two. Banshee from fOrGG is moving in to take out a second tank. Stimpak restarted by Happy.
fOrGG sending in reinforcements. Happy unsieges and fOrGG move sin, taking out a couple tanks. Happy finally kills of the tanks.
Reinforcements form fOrGG moves up and once again contains Happy on his natural.
20.00 fOrGG starts a third CC Happy retakes his natural.
fOrGG pulls back. starts 1/1 on double Engineering Bay as Stim finishes. Another CC started for Happy as he takes a second gas on his natural.
Banshee moves in again, kills off a single SCV before it's killed by a scan. Armory on the way for Happy.
fOrGG starting an Armory of his own. Happy gets another Engineering Bay.
Factory added on for both players. Marine from Happy scouts the third of fOrGG.
Two more Barracks on the way for fOrGG. 2/2 on the way for Happy.
fOrGG starts 2/2 of his own and +1 mech attack. fOrGG has stopped SCV production, Happy has caught up and is in the worker lead!
25.00 fOrGG is supply blocked! Happy is moving out.
fOrGG taking the double gas on his third. Happy now containing fOrGG on his third, Banshee takes out a single siege tank.
Happy starts shelling the third CC of fOrGG. fOrGG tries to flank Happy with siege tanks in the back, but the spread of Happy is too good.
fOrGG forced to lift off his third CC. Drop on Happy's third takes out some SCVs before it's cleaned up.
Happy is almost 50 supply ahead. 3/3 starts for Happy as he starts taking down the rocks to the ramp of fOrGG's natural.
fOrGG catches Happy unsieged, stims in and takes out some Medivacs and does some damage, but is forced to pull back. fOrGG retakes his third.
Happy starts sieging up the third again. fOrGG only has 30 workers left!
30.00 Happy dropping some marines on the tanks of fOrGG, taking out a single tank and doing some damage to two others. fOrGG pulls back and leaves three tanks on his third which are finally taken out. The CC also falls.
fOrGG sends marines across the map, but there's a Planetary by the Xel'Naga Tower on Happy's side. As fOrGG attacks into the choke, Happy sieges up. GG is called. Happy takes the lead 1-0!
I feel really bad for Fin, since he is likely looking for a new team right now and GSL is basically his only form of exposure right now. Not sure how well informed in Korea they are about online tournaments or how much competing in them would benefit in a search for a team.
Hopefully he can show a couple really good games now.
On May 16 2012 21:02 Plexa wrote: So I assumed Fin had this won, walked away to make some food, I come back and wth? Can someone fill me in please
Horrible macro by fin - 6 marines queued + 400 mins _ CC under construction off 1 base. Then he stopped making SCVs, sieged his tanks under the ramp and got them cleaned up by a marine concave at the top. And it went from 35 vs 25ish SCVs to 45ish to 55ish with roughly equal timed 3rds. 0 harassment by Fin, happy took map control, slow positional death.
On May 16 2012 21:02 Plexa wrote: So I assumed Fin had this won, walked away to make some food, I come back and wth? Can someone fill me in please
Fin didn't kill Happy's nat CC. So happy never fell behind in SCVs even though he lost a ton. Fin probably could have killed the nat cc tbh, just was slow about it. Happy broke Fins contain by having 2 vikings vs Fin constantly suiciding banshees (weren' even forcing scans when he was near turrets). Fins constant scans on Happys high ground tanks cost him a lot of econ and Happy broke out with equal scvs? Happy had also saved up energy on 2nd cc so he landed tons of mules.
Fin stopped building scvs and was in his base turtling while Happy sharked around map, built scvs, and just won by quickly overtaking Fins production.
Fin really should have won after his banshee killed tons of units but was really slow/lazy about his attack...
On May 16 2012 21:04 MrCash wrote: I feel really bad for Fin, since he is likely looking for a new team right now and GSL is basically his only form of exposure right now. Not sure how well informed in Korea they are about online tournaments or how much competing in them would benefit in a search for a team.
Hopefully he can show a couple really good games now.
I guess he will find himself in a mediocre team. Not looking like a top player ever since making the switch to SC2 tbh
On May 16 2012 21:08 jhk72 wrote: This seems really suspicious to me, how does a pro gamer forget to make scv's for nearly 10 minutes? It just doesn't make any sense.
It's not the worst fail we've ever seen in gsl by any stretch of the imagination.
Hi my name is Fin, I am grand master in Korea and I just played this TvT with a friend. I did a 1-1-1 into expand, and did loads of damage and forced him to lift. However he managed to somehow win, and I dunno why. Plz TL watch my vod and tell me how the fck he won.
"There is no spoon" -Fin
Hi Fin Im TL-dude, and I watched your vod. You need to macro better, thats what you should focus on until you comfortably can get to around 70-75 scv's with constant production. There is no point in talking about strategies until you get your scv's and depots straight. Good luck in the future.
I voted *****. This is a must-see game. Greatest fail ever. Greatest caster arrogance ever.
You never saw the Nestea vs. Inca final, did you?
Wolf and Khaldor weren't arrogant. Happy should not under any circumstances have been able to win in that situation. The only reason he did was because Fin played appalling.
On May 16 2012 21:08 jhk72 wrote: This seems really suspicious to me, how does a pro gamer forget to make scv's for nearly 10 minutes? It just doesn't make any sense.
It's not the worst fail we've ever seen in gsl by any stretch of the imagination.
I would think differently. The most basic mechanic if you can even call it that in SC and SC2 is building workers, it is virtually impossible imo for a former BW pro and a current SC2 pro to forget about it. It shouldn't even be in his mind, it should be part of this body habbit by now.
On May 16 2012 21:11 kyllinghest wrote: Hi my name is Fin, I am grand master in Korea and I just played this TvT with a friend. I did a 1-1-1 into expand, and did loads of damage and forced him to lift. However he managed to somehow win, and I dunno why. Plz TL watch my vod and tell me how the fck he won.
"There is no spoon" -Fin
Hi Fin Im TL-dude, and I watched your vod. You need to macro better, thats what you should focus on until you comfortably can get to around 70-75 scv's with constant production. There is no point in talking about strategies until you get your scv's and depots straight. Good luck in the future.
On May 16 2012 21:11 kyllinghest wrote: Hi my name is Fin, I am grand master in Korea and I just played this TvT with a friend. I did a 1-1-1 into expand, and did loads of damage and forced him to lift. However he managed to somehow win, and I dunno why. Plz TL watch my vod and tell me how the fck he won.
"There is no spoon" -Fin
Hi Fin Im TL-dude, and I watched your vod. You need to macro better, thats what you should focus on until you comfortably can get to around 70-75 scv's with constant production. There is no point in talking about strategies until you get your scv's and depots straight. Good luck in the future.
5.00 LG-IMHappy spawning as the red Terran in the 8 o'clock position. fOrGG spawning as the blue Terran in the 1 o'clock position.
Happy proxying a Barracks in the middle. fOrGG goes Rax first into expansion, double gas after.
marine from Happy kills the SCV building the CC and is denied. Marine is killed. Bunker down on fOrGG's natural, second marine from Happy pulls back.
Happy getting a CC on his natural, and a third CC in his main. Factory building for Happy as he gets second gas in main.
10.00 Starport down for Happy. fOrGG gets a Starport as well, next to a Factory with a tech lab.
Third CC from Happy morphing to OC. Siege tank production started for both. fOrGG getting a Viking.
Happy taking a gas on his natural. Siege tech and Banshee building for Happy. fOrGG taking a gas on his natural.
Turret going up in Happy's main mineral line. +1 attack starting for Happy.
Siege tech started for fOrGG, finishing for Happy. 3 Vikings from fOrGG moving out across the map.
Two factories going up for fOrGG. 2 Barracks going up for Happy.
Banshee harassing main of fOrGG, killing multiple SCVs! 3rd Barracks and Engineering Bay for Happy.
15.00 55 wrokers for Happy, 32 for fOrGG. Second Factory on the way for Happy.
fOrGG moving out with Marines, tanks and vikings. fOrGG sieges up outside the natural of Happy, sends some marines and marauders to the third of Happy. Accidently moves them into siege tank fire and loses most of them!
Happy pulls SCVs and breaks the contain with ease, killing the entire army of fOrGG. Vikings get away. Happy is moving across the map now.
Happy getting +2 attack, +1 armor and +1 mech attack. Another CC and 4 rax on the way for fOrGG.
+2 armor starts for Happy. +1 attack started for fOrGG.
2 more Barracks down for Happy. Happy sieges up in a bad position, Vikings take out his medivacs and tanks on the high ground for fOrGG take out a siege tank. Happy pulls back.
Fourth on the way for Happy as fOrGG takes a third. +2 mech started for Happy.
On May 16 2012 21:08 jhk72 wrote: This seems really suspicious to me, how does a pro gamer forget to make scv's for nearly 10 minutes? It just doesn't make any sense.
It's not the worst fail we've ever seen in gsl by any stretch of the imagination.
I would think differently. The most basic mechanic if you can even call it that in SC and SC2 is building workers, it is virtually impossible imo for a former BW pro and a current SC2 pro to forget about it. It shouldn't even be in his mind, it should be part of this body habbit by now.
5.00 LG-IMHappy spawning as the red Terran in the 8 o'clock position. fOrGG spawning as the blue Terran in the 1 o'clock position.
Happy proxying a Barracks in the middle. fOrGG goes Rax first into expansion, double gas after.
marine from Happy kills the SCV building the CC and is denied. Marine is killed. Bunker down on fOrGG's natural, second marine from Happy pulls back.
Happy getting a CC on his natural, and a third CC in his main. Factory building for Happy as he gets second gas in main.
10.00 Starport down for Happy. fOrGG gets a Starport as well, next to a Factory with a tech lab.
Third CC from Happy morphing to OC. Siege tank production started for both. fOrGG getting a Viking.
Happy taking a gas on his natural. Siege tech and Banshee building for Happy. fOrGG taking a gas on his natural.
Turret going up in Happy's main mineral line. +1 attack starting for Happy.
Siege tech started for fOrGG, finishing for Happy. 3 Vikings from fOrGG moving out across the map.
Two factories going up for fOrGG. 2 Barracks going up for Happy.
Banshee harassing main of fOrGG, killing multiple SCVs! 3rd Barracks and Engineering Bay for Happy.
15.00 55 wrokers for Happy, 32 for fOrGG. Second Factory on the way for Happy.
fOrGG moving out with Marines, tanks and vikings. fOrGG sieges up outside the natural of Happy, sends some marines and marauders to the third of Happy. Accidently moves them into siege tank fire and loses most of them!
Happy pulls SCVs and breaks the contain with ease, killing the entire army of fOrGG. Vikings get away. Happy is moving across the map now.
Happy getting +2 attack, +1 armor and +1 mech attack. Another CC and 4 rax on the way for fOrGG.
+2 armor starts for Happy. +1 attack started for fOrGG.
2 more Barracks down for Happy. Happy sieges up in a bad position, Vikings take out his medivacs and tanks on the high ground for fOrGG take out a siege tank. Happy pulls back.
Fourth on the way for Happy as fOrGG takes a third. +2 mech started for Happy.
16.20
Happy moves around towards the third of fOrGG, scans and sees only a few tanks and marines defending. He stims and runs in, quickly cleaning up the tanks with 2/2 marines. The reinforecements from the natural of fOrGG are too late, and gg is callde as the CC is getting destroyed.
On May 16 2012 21:19 Deserex wrote: 1/4 on liquidbets today. Happy my saving grace.
Thats how I felt after watching the game, then I went back and realized I voted for forgg... Everytime I don't vote for toss they win, every time I vote for them they loose. I should vote mvp in gsl finals just to make sure squirtle takes it.
I voted *****. This is a must-see game. Greatest fail ever. Greatest caster arrogance ever.
You never saw the Nestea vs. Inca final, did you?
Wolf and Khaldor weren't arrogant. Happy should not under any circumstances have been able to win in that situation. The only reason he did was because Fin played appalling.
I did see Nestea-Inca. This game was better, coming from the "Elephant in the Room" ForGG.
The casters were arrogant. Their job is to make the game more interesting to watch, not preemptively calling out results. In the end they did actually make the game more interesting...
On May 16 2012 21:18 kckkryptonite wrote: Wolf: "I'm so impressed with Fin, he's got an unbreakable defense"
*seconds later Happy stims in and wins*
lol... standard
You know... just once I want wolf to cast without a single negative word coming from his mouth. The quality of the cast would improve so much. Then again, wolf probably wouldn't be able to talk.
Thats how I felt after watching the game, then I went back and realized I voted for forgg... Everytime I don't vote for toss they win, every time I vote for them they loose. I should vote mvp in gsl finals just to make sure squirtle takes it.
On May 16 2012 21:22 kyllinghest wrote: Thanks for the awesome LR and an awesome chill LR-thread. Its nice when its abit slower and less balance whine!
Hurrah! Yeah, it was pretty nice with such a cheerful or at lest non-hateful LR thread.
On May 16 2012 22:34 brokenLoL wrote: Why are Fionn's predictions suddenly correct lately? He's been spot on.
he had a particularly horrible stretch in Code S for a few months (that he wasn't afraid to play up for humor's sake), but overall he's been pretty solid.
Like Gumiho's fluke vs Mvp last season, Keen managed to get a lucky win vs not only NesTea but MMA and ganzi being the cheesy player he is beat MC. Like Artosis said though cheesy gimmicky type players usually don't last very long so I am not too worried. Gumiho, ganzi and Keen will fade away soon enough
On May 17 2012 00:19 brokenLoL wrote: Like Gumiho's fluke vs Mvp last season, Keen managed to get a lucky win vs not only NesTea but MMA and ganzi being the cheesy player he is beat MC. Like Artosis said though cheesy gimmicky type players usually don't last very long so I am not too worried. Gumiho, ganzi and Keen will fade away soon enough
Good job Keen and Ganzi beat their opponents with completely uncheesy play then =)
On May 17 2012 00:19 brokenLoL wrote: Like Gumiho's fluke vs Mvp last season, Keen managed to get a lucky win vs not only NesTea but MMA and ganzi being the cheesy player he is beat MC. Like Artosis said though cheesy gimmicky type players usually don't last very long so I am not too worried. Gumiho, ganzi and Keen will fade away soon enough
everyone said MKP was the cheesiest player last year bro, but look at him now.
On May 17 2012 00:19 brokenLoL wrote: Like Gumiho's fluke vs Mvp last season, Keen managed to get a lucky win vs not only NesTea but MMA and ganzi being the cheesy player he is beat MC. Like Artosis said though cheesy gimmicky type players usually don't last very long so I am not too worried. Gumiho, ganzi and Keen will fade away soon enough
everyone said MKP was the cheesiest player last year bro, but look at him now.
To be fair, MKP actually was really cheesy for a lot of last year.
Ganzi and Keen, however, absolutely are not, and never have been.
On May 17 2012 00:19 brokenLoL wrote: Like Gumiho's fluke vs Mvp last season, Keen managed to get a lucky win vs not only NesTea but MMA and ganzi being the cheesy player he is beat MC. Like Artosis said though cheesy gimmicky type players usually don't last very long so I am not too worried. Gumiho, ganzi and Keen will fade away soon enough
everyone said MKP was the cheesiest player last year bro, but look at him now.
To be fair, MKP actually was really cheesy for a lot of last year.
Ganzi and Keen, however, absolutely are not, and never have been.
and btw, how the hell was GanZi cheesy vs MC? From what I saw those were pretty damn solid games, with huge blunders in decision making by MC.
On May 17 2012 00:19 brokenLoL wrote: Like Gumiho's fluke vs Mvp last season, Keen managed to get a lucky win vs not only NesTea but MMA and ganzi being the cheesy player he is beat MC. Like Artosis said though cheesy gimmicky type players usually don't last very long so I am not too worried. Gumiho, ganzi and Keen will fade away soon enough
everyone said MKP was the cheesiest player last year bro, but look at him now.
To be fair, MKP actually was really cheesy for a lot of last year.
Ganzi and Keen, however, absolutely are not, and never have been.
Ganzi was pretty notorious during the 1/1/1 era for always pulling that build out of his bag whenever he had to play a TvP. (But then again, most Terrans did this, and he certainly did it far less than PuMa.)
On May 17 2012 00:19 brokenLoL wrote: Like Gumiho's fluke vs Mvp last season, Keen managed to get a lucky win vs not only NesTea but MMA and ganzi being the cheesy player he is beat MC. Like Artosis said though cheesy gimmicky type players usually don't last very long so I am not too worried. Gumiho, ganzi and Keen will fade away soon enough
On May 17 2012 00:19 brokenLoL wrote: Like Gumiho's fluke vs Mvp last season, Keen managed to get a lucky win vs not only NesTea but MMA and ganzi being the cheesy player he is beat MC. Like Artosis said though cheesy gimmicky type players usually don't last very long so I am not too worried. Gumiho, ganzi and Keen will fade away soon enough
everyone said MKP was the cheesiest player last year bro, but look at him now.
To be fair, MKP actually was really cheesy for a lot of last year.
Ganzi and Keen, however, absolutely are not, and never have been.
and btw, how the hell was GanZi cheesy vs MC? From what I saw those were pretty damn solid games, with huge blunders in decision making by MC.
When did I ever say that Keen, Gumiho and ganzi cheesed their opponents. I merely called them cheesy players. Being cheesy players does not necessarily mean they have to cheese 100% of the time. I stated that they got lucky; it was a fluke.
Oh and I want to add Symbol to my list of overrated players who will be forgotten soon enough.
On May 17 2012 00:19 brokenLoL wrote: Like Gumiho's fluke vs Mvp last season, Keen managed to get a lucky win vs not only NesTea but MMA and ganzi being the cheesy player he is beat MC. Like Artosis said though cheesy gimmicky type players usually don't last very long so I am not too worried. Gumiho, ganzi and Keen will fade away soon enough
What the fuck. Ganzi has been a a mid-code S caliber player for over 6 months. Cheesy gimmicky type? Ganzi is the definition of a "boring" macro terran. He does rely on timings in TvP, but it's hilarious if you consider that makes him a cheesy player after talking about MC. I don't think Gumiho and Keen are proven to be top players yet, and they certainly aren't cheesy players, but Ganzi is definitely a top 10 terran in Korea.
edit: 4 day old account and your posts I looked at are all just as inflammatory, you seem very delusional in regards to the Starcraft scene.
Geez. I had my share of criticism of MC's playstyle in the past, but I'd rather see that than this. Totally uninspiring and lifeless play. It's like he's half a sleep or something.
And is it me or all the matches were kind of shitty? I'm used to clean builds and sharp decision making/map awareness, etc from GSL games but todays games were just.. lacking. Mabey except Leenock v aLive which had its own quirtk.
So Keen beat MMA is style? Yeaaaaaaaaaaaahhhh!!!! I was part of the 6% that voted for Keen over Nestea, and the 4% for Keen over MMA, now just waiting for dat badass Code S run.
EPT
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