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no Nazgul  ?
gogo Ret and Grubby <3
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Grand finals BO3 or BO5? If it's BO5 i'll check the NL Grand Final. Ret vs Grubby BO5 is always entertaining.
Btw, shame Feast didn't attend.
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Netherlands6142 Posts
Can I come watch this live?
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Pholon, we might be driving down, message meeee
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All matches will be Best-of-Three. The player coming from the loser bracket will have to win two BO3-series though.
[Edit] Pholon, Martjin: You definitely can. There's enough room for dozens of people and our bar in the studio will be open. PM me! 
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mm I think uThermal is Protoss?
Also yes Pholon come! <3
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I misinformed you, Kaelaris... Sorry! He used to play Protoss and is playing T nowadays.
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On May 10 2012 21:14 Shawngood wrote:
I misinformed you, Kaelaris... Sorry! He used to play Protoss and is playing T nowadays.
Really? So we want see the uThermal pvp build anymore? ;D I remember Grubby using that strat, failing horribly, then playing against uthermal who used the strat and demolished Grubby. So much fun 
Also, I am quite sad Harstem dropped out in his worst matchup against the second best zerg of europe two times. I think he could have beaten uThermal with ez and had a shot against Grubby as they are practice partners. Best nl player in my heart <3
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On May 10 2012 00:36 mouzKaelaris wrote:
mm I think uThermal is Protoss?
Also yes Pholon come! <3
since you cast, I'll watch <3
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On May 10 2012 21:14 Shawngood wrote:
I misinformed you, Kaelaris... Sorry! He used to play Protoss and is playing T nowadays.
Ahh no problem good sir ^^
On May 10 2012 22:18 LeLfe wrote:Show nested quote +On May 10 2012 00:36 mouzKaelaris wrote:
mm I think uThermal is Protoss?
Also yes Pholon come! <3 since you cast, I'll watch <3
u so kind! <3
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If someone needs VIP tickets to this event, entry tickets or a press accreditation, please email me:
jc@turtle-entertainment.de
cheers =)
ps. without ticket you can't get in! it is simple to register with me but the esl tv studio has a certain number of seats - we cannot let more than 60 people in. Thank you .
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netherland had a bad grid with ret and grubby same side and then loosers comes in same site on looserbracket, so harstem lost to ret in WB and to ret in LB ...
otherwise i would say easy that ret grubby and harstem best 3 guys so uThermal got hardcore lucky still gl
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Hey, what if we could do something special on Sunday for Grubby because it is his birthday today and on Sunday he will be in the studio with all of us ... we could at least sing a song? ^^
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On May 11 2012 19:13 sickle wrote:
What happened to Feast?
Feast unfortunately didn't show up for his match, therefore his opponent "Veni" received a free win
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make a pyloncake! \(>w< )
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uthermal is gonna win EZ grubby is bad
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anyone who says uThermal was lucky has obviously never seen a game of him lately. His builds are so well planned, his execution is mostly flawless and with the amount of practice he had in the couple last weeks he might even be able to take BO3's off of Grubby and ret.
my bets are placed on uThermal.
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Anyone suggesting uThermal can't take games of these guys should do their homework. Favorites are going to have to be orly(for BE), ret/grubby(for NL), sure, but no one is safe. Personally I said 4 or so months ago that within a year we'll see orly take a big EU tournament. So consider the first shots fired if he comes out on top tomorrow (which he should).
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I am really looking forward to this
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On May 12 2012 15:13 Martijn wrote:
Anyone suggesting uThermal can't take games of these guys should do their homework. Favorites are going to have to be orly(for BE), ret/grubby(for NL), sure, but no one is safe. Personally I said 4 or so months ago that within a year we'll see orly take a big EU tournament. So consider the first shots fired if he comes out on top tomorrow (which he should).
That's because Feast isn't here. He forgot the day of the quals, given that it's the ESL who is organizing that's as per usual.
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On May 12 2012 21:32 Otolia wrote:
That's because Feast isn't here. He forgot the day of the quals, given that it's the ESL who is organizing that's as per usual.
If you think Orly wouldn't have a good chance to take down Feast, I've got more news for you buddy. And it's a little pathetic to blame ESL when a player doesn't show. You can blame a tournament organisation for a lot of things, but a player not showing up is on the player.
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The broadcast just started, first match of  Orly vs.  Makouni coming up in a couple of minutes!
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Looking at the brackets no terrans live in Belgium... what a great country ^_^
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Feast had exams.
Orly should take it. Lol @ no english knowledge at all from makouni :')
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On May 12 2012 21:32 Otolia wrote:Show nested quote +On May 12 2012 15:13 Martijn wrote:
Anyone suggesting uThermal can't take games of these guys should do their homework. Favorites are going to have to be orly(for BE), ret/grubby(for NL), sure, but no one is safe. Personally I said 4 or so months ago that within a year we'll see orly take a big EU tournament. So consider the first shots fired if he comes out on top tomorrow (which he should). That's because Feast isn't here. He forgot the day of the quals, given that it's the ESL who is organizing that's as per usual.
Feast has exams now. Can't blame esl for it, the date was perfectly clear.
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does anyone know how the 2k are distributed? very good comeback by makouni
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makouni has no sentries, that's gonna hurt
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I don't know anything about makouni, but I can assume this is his first major/live event? He's playing pretty sloppy.
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He is sixteen years old and yes, this is most likely his first real live event.
BTW, the prize money distribution for the top 3 looks like this:
1. $800,-
2. $500,-
3. $240,-
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zoey looks just like grubby
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Can't Makouni speak English?
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This Translator is just making up things makouni did not say Oo
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On May 13 2012 23:12 Rowa wrote:
This Translator is just making up things makouni did not say Oo
Ahah it's actually true, it's probably the first time for the translator also he was very nervous
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I guess I missed Grubby vs Ret ?
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On May 13 2012 23:16 imMUTAble787 wrote:I guess I missed Grubby vs Ret ?
Not started I think
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Well.. I dunno I checked the brackets and it looks like it has ? Maybe I'm wrong, though.
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1. Makouni seems like a talented, smart player that will do well if he got to practice.
2. Soe is really attractive zzz
3. The translator is more nervous than Makouni when he was playing. rofl
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On May 13 2012 23:19 imMUTAble787 wrote:
Well.. I dunno I checked the brackets and it looks like it has ? Maybe I'm wrong, though.
Just check the OP.
The Netherlands Nationals are _after_ the Belgium Nationals. First match is Grubby vs. uThermal at around 6pm CET.
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On May 13 2012 23:23 Shawngood wrote:Show nested quote +On May 13 2012 23:19 imMUTAble787 wrote:
Well.. I dunno I checked the brackets and it looks like it has ? Maybe I'm wrong, though. Just check the OP. The Netherlands Nationals are _after_ the Belgium Nationals. First match is Grubby vs. uThermal at around 6pm CET.
Ok, cool. Thanks =]
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On May 13 2012 22:54 Shawngood wrote:
He is sixteen years old and yes, this is most likely his first real live event.
BTW, the prize money distribution for the top 3 looks like this:
1. $800,-
2. $500,-
3. $240,-
Are you sure about this? I was 4th so I'm really interesed in this :p
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Belgian finals over. Grubby vs uThermal soon, loser vs Ret.
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Haven't seen a game of uThermal since the ESWC qualifiers. Let's see if he has improved.
(I am rooting for Grubby and Ret, nothing personal uThermal). <3
May the best man win!
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What's the distribution for the rest (460 $) of the prize pool ?
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is it just me or are they trying to set a new record on awkwardness all around?
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On May 14 2012 00:24 Talanthalos wrote:
is it just me or are they trying to set a new record on awkwardness all around?
As this is an event in germany and you are german, it is just you.
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ret is currently getting "retty"
... I know cause just took the photo of him for the webz
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soe great job, just like in NASL , i like her
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The hell... Kaelaris and the chick SITTING on our flag?
The hell is wrong with you people, gtfo!
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esl is setting up a new record for showing D3 trailers.......
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On May 14 2012 01:03 Neverplay wrote:
esl is setting up a new record for showing D3 trailers.......
yeah, it made me realise blizzards timing on organising these nationals is pretty clever ;-)
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I feel bad for the host/casters being put on the spot to kill this amount of time. LOL
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Not too much early game action so far! Both players building up quite a solid army as it seems. BIG encounter going down RIGHT NOW! http://nl.twitch.tv/esltv_sc2
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Is Curse seriously going mech vs protoss?!
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I like the player cams, nice feature.
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On May 14 2012 01:23 Flightan wrote:
Is Curse seriously going mech vs protoss?!
We see this "a lot" in last few weeks.
Jinro is doing it again
MKP did it
Illusion is doing it
Polt is trying it
etc
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Protosses are having too easy time aginst bio play so Terrans are trying mech again, once someone figures it out TvP might turn into Terrans favour.
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On May 14 2012 01:26 Tppz! wrote:Show nested quote +On May 14 2012 01:23 Flightan wrote:
Is Curse seriously going mech vs protoss?! We see this "a lot" in last few weeks. Jinro is doing it again MKP did it Illusion is doing it Polt is trying it etc
and Grubby is crushing it .
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On May 14 2012 01:28 Lazzi wrote:Show nested quote +On May 14 2012 01:26 Tppz! wrote:On May 14 2012 01:23 Flightan wrote:
Is Curse seriously going mech vs protoss?! We see this "a lot" in last few weeks. Jinro is doing it again MKP did it Illusion is doing it Polt is trying it etc and Grubby is crushing it .
Yeah cause its pretty hard to do and Curse just switched race and doesnt do it right. Tal Darim is btw the map where noone would be doing Mech. You cant get a 4th Base.
Also: Grubby >>>>>>>> Curse ^.^
edit:
like i said. he has no idea what he is doing
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I didn't know how to beat what uThermal did before Grubby shows me how.
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sigh, mech isnt working as long as thors still have energy bars, blizzard should change the strike cannon into cooldown ability again and remove the energy from thors
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you mean: your opponent maxes out and then doesnt attack with his 2 base allin?
it was just very poorly done by uthermal
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On May 14 2012 01:30 Tppz! wrote:Show nested quote +On May 14 2012 01:28 Lazzi wrote:On May 14 2012 01:26 Tppz! wrote:On May 14 2012 01:23 Flightan wrote:
Is Curse seriously going mech vs protoss?! We see this "a lot" in last few weeks. Jinro is doing it again MKP did it Illusion is doing it Polt is trying it etc and Grubby is crushing it . Yeah cause its pretty hard to do and Curse just switched race and doesnt do it right. Tal Darim is btw the map where noone would be doing Mech. You cant get a 4th Base. Also: Grubby >>>>>>>> Curse ^.^ edit: like i said. he has no idea what he is doing
he switched ages ago and is rank 1 masters, "no idea what he is doing" is a bit harsh.. He had 200/200 when grubby only had 160, grubby just handled it amazingly well.
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Can't believe the casters never saw the 'SuperNova-build' (at least that's what I call it) before.
And Grubby demonstrating the class-difference there. So gosu...
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On May 14 2012 01:45 Roynalf wrote:
sigh, mech isnt working as long as thors still have energy bars, blizzard should change the strike cannon into cooldown ability again and remove the energy from thors
makes thor rushes stronger then they should be, because immortals get kind of pointless.
uthermals positioning wasnt too great, and some blueflame hellions wouldve helped. Also, he didnt have any ghosts, what makes the composition even stronger in lategame
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High Templars just counters everything in that comp
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On May 14 2012 01:45 Roynalf wrote:
sigh, mech isnt working as long as thors still have energy bars, blizzard should change the strike cannon into cooldown ability again and remove the energy from thors
isn't it just necessary to get ghosts to snipe/emp templars regardless of the rest of the composition?
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On May 14 2012 01:47 Roynalf wrote:
High Templars just counters everything in that comp
agreed, as long as there are no ghosts, thats correct^^
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On May 14 2012 01:46 Laurens wrote:Show nested quote +On May 14 2012 01:30 Tppz! wrote:On May 14 2012 01:28 Lazzi wrote:On May 14 2012 01:26 Tppz! wrote:On May 14 2012 01:23 Flightan wrote:
Is Curse seriously going mech vs protoss?! We see this "a lot" in last few weeks. Jinro is doing it again MKP did it Illusion is doing it Polt is trying it etc and Grubby is crushing it . Yeah cause its pretty hard to do and Curse just switched race and doesnt do it right. Tal Darim is btw the map where noone would be doing Mech. You cant get a 4th Base. Also: Grubby >>>>>>>> Curse ^.^ edit: like i said. he has no idea what he is doing he switched ages ago and is rank 1 masters, "no idea what he is doing" is a bit harsh.. He had 200/200 when grubby only had 160, grubby just handled it amazingly well.
you mean not attack or expanding with a 2 base allin when your maxed out and your opponent has templars (the longer you wait the worse it gets) wasnt totally bad?
sure grubby did no mistake and he did good. but uthermal just played bad
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On May 14 2012 01:47 KalWarkov wrote:Show nested quote +On May 14 2012 01:45 Roynalf wrote:
sigh, mech isnt working as long as thors still have energy bars, blizzard should change the strike cannon into cooldown ability again and remove the energy from thors makes thor rushes stronger then they should be, because immortals get kind of pointless. uthermals positioning wasnt too great, and some blueflame hellions wouldve helped. Also, he didnt have any ghosts, what makes the composition even stronger in lategame
How would that make Immortals pointless? They would still do the same amount of damage, wouldn't they?
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On May 14 2012 01:48 Tppz! wrote:Show nested quote +On May 14 2012 01:46 Laurens wrote:On May 14 2012 01:30 Tppz! wrote:On May 14 2012 01:28 Lazzi wrote:On May 14 2012 01:26 Tppz! wrote:On May 14 2012 01:23 Flightan wrote:
Is Curse seriously going mech vs protoss?! We see this "a lot" in last few weeks. Jinro is doing it again MKP did it Illusion is doing it Polt is trying it etc and Grubby is crushing it . Yeah cause its pretty hard to do and Curse just switched race and doesnt do it right. Tal Darim is btw the map where noone would be doing Mech. You cant get a 4th Base. Also: Grubby >>>>>>>> Curse ^.^ edit: like i said. he has no idea what he is doing he switched ages ago and is rank 1 masters, "no idea what he is doing" is a bit harsh.. He had 200/200 when grubby only had 160, grubby just handled it amazingly well. you mean not attack or expanding with a 2 base allin when your maxed out and your opponent has templars (the longer you wait the worse it gets) wasnt totally bad? sure grubby did no mistake and he did good. but uthermal just played bad
He did attack, he killed the third
what do you want him to do then, walk up the ramp into the natural and get carpet stormed? Would that be better ?!?
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On May 14 2012 01:48 Tppz! wrote:Show nested quote +On May 14 2012 01:46 Laurens wrote:On May 14 2012 01:30 Tppz! wrote:On May 14 2012 01:28 Lazzi wrote:On May 14 2012 01:26 Tppz! wrote:On May 14 2012 01:23 Flightan wrote:
Is Curse seriously going mech vs protoss?! We see this "a lot" in last few weeks. Jinro is doing it again MKP did it Illusion is doing it Polt is trying it etc and Grubby is crushing it . Yeah cause its pretty hard to do and Curse just switched race and doesnt do it right. Tal Darim is btw the map where noone would be doing Mech. You cant get a 4th Base. Also: Grubby >>>>>>>> Curse ^.^ edit: like i said. he has no idea what he is doing he switched ages ago and is rank 1 masters, "no idea what he is doing" is a bit harsh.. He had 200/200 when grubby only had 160, grubby just handled it amazingly well. you mean not attack or expanding with a 2 base allin when your maxed out and your opponent has templars (the longer you wait the worse it gets) wasnt totally bad? sure grubby did no mistake and he did good. but uthermal just played bad
he played to a high enough standard to have grubby on the edge. a few small mistakes less and it works.
saying he just "played bad" tells me how much u know about the game oO
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On May 14 2012 01:54 MetalPanda wrote:
Why isn't Feast in this?
He missed his qualifier, because he had an exam I believe.
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So what was his gameplan after killing the third? Did he think he could bait Gruby into lossing his whole Protossarmy? Why didnt the expand? He would run out of Minerals soon because of Mules. Waiting outside a wide area with Thors and Marines etc was pretty bad. he could expand behind after realising that Grubby wouldnt throw away the game. But he didnt. So he just waited for Grubby to roflstomp him.
The lionger he wasit outside the more Energy the Thors would have. The longer he waits the more Storms has Grubby. The longer he waits the more powerful Grubbys army gets.
Thats bad decisionmaking. He had 2 options. But he took the thrid: loose the game.
Game 1 wasnt good too. You dont want to play Mech on Tal Darim because you cant get a 4th.
I may not be korean grandmaster but im meching since beta and know my stuff.
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uThermal, nothing personal but please don't beat Ret, we need our two best players to advance to have a chance to get someone into the global finals! Dutch national pride is on the line here!
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oh ret, ouch. the europe event would suck without ret. but nice execution by uthermal.
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cmon ret plz win
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Has this guy not cheesed in any games? Im not like a ret fanboy but it seems obvious that he knows that Ret/Grubby are better players and he's just cheesing for a chance to get into a tourney that he has no shot at winning.
Or is this for money?
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On May 14 2012 02:03 Alryk wrote:
Has this guy not cheesed in any games? Im not like a ret fanboy but it seems obvious that he knows that Ret/Grubby are better players and he's just cheesing for a chance to get into a tourney that he has no shot at winning.
Or is this for money?
There's money involved as well, but I think Nazgul should probably have bribed uThermal to make sure a situation like this doesnt happen
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any player would want to win man, one have to do anything they can to increase the chances of winning
" It doesnt matter if you win by an inch or a mile, winning's winning."
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On May 14 2012 02:03 Alryk wrote:
Has this guy not cheesed in any games? Im not like a ret fanboy but it seems obvious that he knows that Ret/Grubby are better players and he's just cheesing for a chance to get into a tourney that he has no shot at winning.
Or is this for money?
If ret loses to something like this twice in three games, he doesn't have a shot either...
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@Alryk: You play to win. If you are worse than your opponent you do cheesy stuff and cut corners. Its jsut sad that Allins and Cheeses are so effective in SC2
ThorHellionBanshee Allin incoming
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How did Ret lose the first game?
What did Uthermal do?
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Oh yeah I know. It's just funny that Blizzard put this in to instill some kind of "national pride" but a player is just trying to cheese out somebody who could represent them well  (I'm not a fanboy again and I'm not really worked up over it, I just find it funny)
@Blix, maybe its just a bad day for him, we all know Ret is a good player XD
But especially if there's money involved... that would probably be anybody's choice.
Edit: Lol, -almost- the exact same allin as vs Grubby
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@Alryk: Its not the same Allin.
He has Hellions and not Marines.
Khaaleris needs to do his homework. He doesnt seem to know any Mech builds :D
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That's why I said almost
I even thought about saying "Just hellions instead of marines" but I was too lazy to re-edit. Haha
Gogo Ret!
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On May 14 2012 02:12 Lukeeze[zR] wrote:
mech is a farce :[
To be fair he had 0 tanks.
You don't beat that many roaches without tanks
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Yeah, thors are terrible versus roaches. Without tanks as backup they just get rolled
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Ret bringin' down the hammer. I'm worried we'll see more cheese in game 3...
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On May 14 2012 02:12 Lukeeze[zR] wrote:
mech is a farce :[
Nah, mech needs tanks vs mass roach. If I were uthermal I'd hellion/marauder all-in now.
(I'd have picked another map for it tho)
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I bet more cheese too, he can't win in macro.
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On May 14 2012 02:14 bunberry wrote:
I bet more cheese too, he can't win in macro.
This
Hellion/Marauder seems likely. Then again, it seems like a kind of silly map for it, but oh well.
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maybe that 3 bunker thing
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wait what happened to grubby?
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On May 14 2012 02:16 Cuce wrote:
wait what happened to grubby?
waiting in the grand final for ret or uthermal to win.
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On May 14 2012 02:16 Cuce wrote:
wait what happened to grubby?
He won 2-0.
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Ret sees it! He knows whats comin' up, stop that and smash his face in return. Go!
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Well, that's a terrible all-in, and even worse on this specific map.
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uthermal is gonna go out with a bang... and green goo
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beat this cheesing sissy!
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Okay, no real need to watch the rest of the tournament now
Have fun with the final guys!
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Ret whoops Samwise Gamgee here in a good game of Starcraft 2, nicely done Ret <3
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On May 14 2012 02:19 Blix wrote:
uthermal is gonna go out with a bang... and green goo
good call :D
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On May 14 2012 02:17 arkedos wrote:waiting in the grand final for ret or uthermal to win.
oh ok, I got confused by the bracket thanks
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Like the interviewer, perhaps its fake but she does seem to really enjoy SC2 generally.
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Patch whining Interviewing loser is really depressing...
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ahh grubby vs. ret will be huge. sadly its only a bo3 :/
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wow this guy is seriously QQing "a-move" and "imba" after all-inning 5 maps consecutively.
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anyone who tho that girl was who interviewed the players? she kinda had grubby's facial features
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On May 14 2012 02:27 Swizzae wrote:
anyone who tho that girl was who interviewed the players? she kinda had grubby's facial features
That was grubby's bastard daughter.
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On May 14 2012 02:27 Swizzae wrote:
anyone who tho that girl was who interviewed the players? she kinda had grubby's facial features
Her name is Soe. All I know about her is that she is 2GD's ex-gf, that khaldor used to spam forums advertising her 2 years ago, and that she is doing some drawing corner for NASL. Search her up.
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I love how Ret is reading TL between the games.
Hi Ret, GL!
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On May 14 2012 02:29 Derrida wrote:Show nested quote +On May 14 2012 02:27 Swizzae wrote:
anyone who tho that girl was who interviewed the players? she kinda had grubby's facial features Her name is Soe. All I know about her is that she is 2GD's ex-gf, that khaldor used to spam forums advertising her 2 years ago, and that she is doing some drawing corner for NASL. Search her up.
Her homepage: http://www.soes-stuff.com/en/
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Do both of these players move on, or only first place?
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On May 14 2012 02:31 Alryk wrote:
Do both of these players move on, or only first place?
Both Ret and Grubby already have a spot and the paid trip to the EU final, now it's all about the moneeeeeey
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dat imortal warp prism micro
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This allin is so stupidly imba:/
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grubby has become so strong in the past 6-8 months. superb micro.
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Man Grubby executed that really good!
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lol sentries and immortals
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so well executed by grubby there! :D fighting!
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There is the counter to roach play I guess Awesome strategy and the warp prism was damn awesome gj grubby gl next game ret.
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I dont know what the casters are talking about, grubby recently 3-1'd (or 3-0 not sure) Ret by using this tactic twice in TakeTV invitational semifinals.
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On May 14 2012 02:40 Flummie wrote:There is the counter to roach play I guess Awesome strategy and the warp prism was damn awesome gj grubby gl next game ret.
It's the counter to everything on this map, infestors come too late, hydras don't work, roach/ling even with flanks doesn't work as we saw, mutas don't work either. What's left?
Edit : Rofl and now this. This is why tournament maps have supply depots there.
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On May 14 2012 02:41 Derrida wrote:
I dont know what the casters are talking about, grubby recently 3-1'd (or 3-0 not sure) Ret by using this tactic twice in TakeTV invitational semifinals.
Yep and I don't know why protoss just don't do that every game.
It's basicly a free win if you don't mess up your forcefields
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lol, so cheesy by grubby haha
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On May 14 2012 02:42 eXeHephaistas wrote:Show nested quote +On May 14 2012 02:41 Derrida wrote:
I dont know what the casters are talking about, grubby recently 3-1'd (or 3-0 not sure) Ret by using this tactic twice in TakeTV invitational semifinals. Yep and I don't know why protoss just don't do that every game. It's basicly a free win if you don't mess up your forcefields
Well Stephano roll'd Grubby over when he was trying the same tactic
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On May 14 2012 02:43 Mithriel wrote:
lol, so cheesy by grubby haha
going macro against Z on tal'darim is basically suicide. Besides the fact that PvZ lategame is really annoying because both sides dont really want to fight because thier late game armies are nullifing each other.
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gosh this final is so cheesy -.-
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On May 14 2012 02:44 Derrida wrote:Show nested quote +On May 14 2012 02:42 eXeHephaistas wrote:On May 14 2012 02:41 Derrida wrote:
I dont know what the casters are talking about, grubby recently 3-1'd (or 3-0 not sure) Ret by using this tactic twice in TakeTV invitational semifinals. Yep and I don't know why protoss just don't do that every game. It's basicly a free win if you don't mess up your forcefields Well Stephano roll'd Grubby over when he was trying the same tactic
Well Stephano is like 10x better player then grubby?
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On May 14 2012 02:44 arkedos wrote:going macro against Z on tal'darim is basically suicide. Besides the fact that PvZ lategame is really annoying because both sides dont really want to fight because thier late game armies are nullifing each other.
Nope rocks deny any macro opening for zerg:/
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I don't understand how Ret ALWAYS loses to that push vs Grubby, it just happens all the time lol
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On May 14 2012 02:44 arkedos wrote:going macro against Z on tal'darim is basically suicide. Besides the fact that PvZ lategame is really annoying because both sides dont really want to fight because thier late game armies are nullifing each other.
what? p likes tal darim....probably should preface stuff with "i think" when you're speculating...
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wow Ret just got slapped around by Grubby
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Grubby's thinking how come he can't do this to Stephano.
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Grubby making FF look OP today
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Grubby always doing 2 base allins
Don't understand why he has so many fans..
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Ret always losing to Grubby HAS to be the mindset. With Ret being able to beat so many other top protosses, I don't get why he loses to grubby every time they meet.
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Grubby played that out really good once again, he is getting so good :D
Still FF's are kinda boring =/
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On May 14 2012 02:51 eXeHephaistas wrote:Grubby always doing 2 base allins Don't understand why he has so many fans..
Because he's a very likeable guy, good player + good caster?
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On May 14 2012 02:52 Zorgaz wrote:
Grubby played that out really good once again, he is getting so good :D
Still FF's are kinda boring =/
can't really say someone's so good until they make a third.
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When a Protoss player gets to the point where his forcefields get nearly perfect Protoss really seems OP WP Grubby and gratz to both for qualifying!
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On May 14 2012 02:51 disco wrote:
Ret always losing to Grubby HAS to be the mindset. With Ret being able to beat so many other top protosses, I don't get why he loses to grubby every time they meet.
Guess Ret can't handle the extra pressure this match brings each time cause its the 2 best dutch players playing each other...
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Missed the last game with grubby and ret. what did grubby do?
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On May 14 2012 02:52 TheSir wrote:Show nested quote +On May 14 2012 02:51 eXeHephaistas wrote:Grubby always doing 2 base allins Don't understand why he has so many fans.. Because he's a very likeable guy, good player + good caster?
Also, the stuff he does is good and it works, so why not?
MC is used to play like this a lot, is he so bad or what? People like him also. Don't see anything wrong there.
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On May 14 2012 02:52 RogerChillingworth wrote:Show nested quote +On May 14 2012 02:52 Zorgaz wrote:
Grubby played that out really good once again, he is getting so good :D
Still FF's are kinda boring =/ can't really say someone's so good until they make a third.
That's a dumb assessment...
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On May 14 2012 02:52 Zorgaz wrote:
Grubby played that out really good once again, he is getting so good :D
Still FF's are kinda boring =/
Not as boring as watching someone make drones for 8 minutes and then make a truckload of roaches and press 1-A. But I guess we all have preferences .
Congratulations Grubby for 1st place and Ret for qualifying !
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On May 14 2012 02:51 eXeHephaistas wrote:Grubby always doing 2 base allins Don't understand why he has so many fans..
Since he isnt always 2 base allin-ing.. you are just a hater
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On May 14 2012 02:52 TheSir wrote:Show nested quote +On May 14 2012 02:51 eXeHephaistas wrote:Grubby always doing 2 base allins Don't understand why he has so many fans.. Because he's a very likeable guy, good player + good caster?
And a wc3 bonjwa
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On May 14 2012 02:52 RogerChillingworth wrote:Show nested quote +On May 14 2012 02:52 Zorgaz wrote:
Grubby played that out really good once again, he is getting so good :D
Still FF's are kinda boring =/ can't really say someone's so good until they make a third.
hm? he had 4 nexuses in the first game vs. uThermal.
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finally grubby on the place he belongs
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On May 14 2012 02:55 Derrida wrote:Show nested quote +On May 14 2012 02:52 RogerChillingworth wrote:On May 14 2012 02:52 Zorgaz wrote:
Grubby played that out really good once again, he is getting so good :D
Still FF's are kinda boring =/ can't really say someone's so good until they make a third. hm? he had 4 nexuses in the first game vs. uThermal.
I think 5 even?
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On May 14 2012 02:51 eXeHephaistas wrote:Grubby always doing 2 base allins Don't understand why he has so many fans..
He doesn't always two base all-in at all , he's the nicest player out there and a legend.
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On May 14 2012 02:54 WallieP wrote:Show nested quote +On May 14 2012 02:51 eXeHephaistas wrote:Grubby always doing 2 base allins Don't understand why he has so many fans.. Since he isnt always 2 base allin-ing.. you are just a hater
I've never seen him go for a macro game vs a decent zerg and win.
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On May 14 2012 02:54 trinxified wrote:Show nested quote +On May 14 2012 02:52 RogerChillingworth wrote:On May 14 2012 02:52 Zorgaz wrote:
Grubby played that out really good once again, he is getting so good :D
Still FF's are kinda boring =/ can't really say someone's so good until they make a third. That's a dumb assessment...
i think it's fair to assume zorgaz said that off the backs of two games where, while grubby exectuted well, they were no measure of someone getting so good. grubby could be getting so good, he could be the second coming. but these games vs Ret, the best zerg at the event, didn't show that.
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On May 14 2012 02:54 Dingodile wrote:Show nested quote +On May 14 2012 02:52 TheSir wrote:On May 14 2012 02:51 eXeHephaistas wrote:Grubby always doing 2 base allins Don't understand why he has so many fans.. Because he's a very likeable guy, good player + good caster? And a wc3 bonjwa
wtf, there was no bonjwa in wc3, and if there was one the closest guy would be moon during his WEG dominance.
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On May 14 2012 02:51 eXeHephaistas wrote:Grubby always doing 2 base allins Don't understand why he has so many fans..
allins? LOL
He showed lovely games, playing exactly against opponent's weaknesses which is the way to go. Well prepared strategy wins you games, what's wrong with that?
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Damn missed the games .....
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ret complaining about grubbys use of 1.4.3.2 protoss.
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Poor Ret he sounded so sad! but congrats to both! Fan of both players!
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On May 14 2012 02:56 eXeHephaistas wrote:Show nested quote +On May 14 2012 02:54 WallieP wrote:On May 14 2012 02:51 eXeHephaistas wrote:Grubby always doing 2 base allins Don't understand why he has so many fans.. Since he isnt always 2 base allin-ing.. you are just a hater I've never seen him go for a macro game vs a decent zerg and win.
He beat Violet in lone star clash where he was on 3rd base
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Netherlands vs Belgium 3v3 now.
FUCK YEAH NETHERLANDS FIGHTING
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On May 14 2012 02:51 eXeHephaistas wrote:Grubby always doing 2 base allins Don't understand why he has so many fans..
Because that's the way you win PvZ.
Look at MC.
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On May 14 2012 03:00 Pholon wrote:
Netherlands vs Belgium 3v3 now.
FUCK YEAH NETHERLANDS FIGHTING
TOO EASY
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On May 14 2012 02:51 eXeHephaistas wrote:Grubby always doing 2 base allins Don't understand why he has so many fans..
He has done this build several times against Ret and Ret has never held it. Should he decrease his chances of winning by not using it again?......
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Its kinda funny how Ret seems to be mentally blocked against Grubby while Grubby seems to be mentally blocked against Stephano.
I guess its all about your mindset
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On May 14 2012 02:56 eXeHephaistas wrote:Show nested quote +On May 14 2012 02:54 WallieP wrote:On May 14 2012 02:51 eXeHephaistas wrote:Grubby always doing 2 base allins Don't understand why he has so many fans.. Since he isnt always 2 base allin-ing.. you are just a hater I've never seen him go for a macro game vs a decent zerg and win.
Why would you do that if you can win with 2 base pushes? Going macro against Zerg as Protoss is a stupid idea anyway.
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Glad Ret qualified, but man Forcefields are boring.
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On May 14 2012 03:02 windsupernova wrote:
Its kinda funny how Ret seems to be mentally blocked against Grubby while Grubby seems to be mentally blocked against Stephano.
I guess its all about your mindset
I think that Grubby is not yet on the level of Stephano yet? I mean Stephano is top 3 zerg worldwide? I would not call Grubby top 3 Protoss worldwide just yet (but in 6 months, who knows).
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YEAH 3v3 COMING UP :DDD
This will be awesome ;D
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On May 14 2012 03:02 windsupernova wrote:
Its kinda funny how Ret seems to be mentally blocked against Grubby while Grubby seems to be mentally blocked against Stephano.
I guess its all about your mindset
Seriuosly, if Grubby had the same confidence in his play against Stephano as he has against Ret he could do much better against him, same goes for Ret. The hardships of a progamer i think
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As a person who has been watching Grubby since the first day he started streaming, I can clearly say that he has a lot of builds other than 2 base all-ins vs. zerg. However, versus opponents on equal footing or even better than him, he tends to do two-base pressure and occasionally takes a third behind it. This is his cookie-cutter PvZ playstyle. It used to be 6gate blinkstalker pressure building on his microskills to get the upperhand vs. roach play, now it evolved into 2-3 immortal 8-10 sentry stalker push at around 130 supply.
I'm not sure how one can flame him for "all-inning" considering this is the current state of matchup and that it often works favorably for him. If it isn't broken, why fix it? Why would you go macro vs. perhaps one of the best macroers in the whole game? You have to use your competitive advantage to get the upperhand.
That said, I sympathize with Ret on his statement after the loss. I think researching burrow/tunnelling claws would be very helpful in this situation as Grubby almost never has an observer out during this push. He should also watch Stephano's games vs. Grubby in TakeTV invitational finals.
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On May 14 2012 03:08 Derrida wrote:
That said, I sympathize with Ret on his statement after the loss. I think researching burrow/tunnelling claws would be very helpful in this situation as Grubby almost never has an observer out during this push. He should also watch Stephano's games vs. Grubby in TakeTV invitational finals.
He said the big problem is the choke. So why fight in the choke? Instead of playing so reactionary, he could move out on the map before the push hits his third. If he pushes out with quite some lings, he can wear down the forcefields before grubby arrives.. That way grubby at least cant attack the third full force.
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Good to see the two best Dutch players (by far) have obtained a ticket.
Also, congratz to Grubby for becoming the Dutch Champion.
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On May 14 2012 02:56 eXeHephaistas wrote:Show nested quote +On May 14 2012 02:54 WallieP wrote:On May 14 2012 02:51 eXeHephaistas wrote:Grubby always doing 2 base allins Don't understand why he has so many fans.. Since he isnt always 2 base allin-ing.. you are just a hater I've never seen him go for a macro game vs a decent zerg and win.
And who do you consider to be decent zergs?
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3v3 BO3? well thats interesting
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On May 14 2012 03:04 Domus wrote:Show nested quote +On May 14 2012 03:02 windsupernova wrote:
Its kinda funny how Ret seems to be mentally blocked against Grubby while Grubby seems to be mentally blocked against Stephano.
I guess its all about your mindset I think that Grubby is not yet on the level of Stephano yet? I mean Stephano is top 3 zerg worldwide? I would not call Grubby top 3 Protoss worldwide just yet (but in 6 months, who knows).
Do you really think Stephano is top 3 worldwide? Do you really do?
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3v3 belgium vs. netherlands coming up!!! awww...... *nerdchills*
I am for the underdogs now ...
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Netherlands can win this if Grubby and Uthermal just cheese and ret macros from 4 base ;D (how characteristic :D)
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On May 14 2012 03:23 Tarotis wrote:Show nested quote +On May 14 2012 03:04 Domus wrote:On May 14 2012 03:02 windsupernova wrote:
Its kinda funny how Ret seems to be mentally blocked against Grubby while Grubby seems to be mentally blocked against Stephano.
I guess its all about your mindset I think that Grubby is not yet on the level of Stephano yet? I mean Stephano is top 3 zerg worldwide? I would not call Grubby top 3 Protoss worldwide just yet (but in 6 months, who knows). Do you really think Stephano is top 3 worldwide? Do you really do?
Top 3 zerg...but keep in mind that zerg is underrepresented in korea. Where would you place him?
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god grubby is a really bad 3v3 teammate hahaha he is getting comfy in his base while his team is getting owned.
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Hahaha this was pretty fun
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On May 14 2012 03:36 Derrida wrote:
god grubby is a really bad 3v3 teammate hahaha he is getting comfy in his base while his team is getting owned.
Because his teammate with the CC on the enemy natural is so much better?
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Hahaha this is hilarious,
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ROFL, this is better than the rest of the tournament, seriously. I love this.
We need more 3vs3 or 4vs4 in the future! Just because we can and esports rocks.
GJ ESL!
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Haha, Ret challenging the whole belgian team to 1on1s, don't mess with ret :D
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On May 14 2012 04:19 Eshra wrote:
Is it offline ?
Yes, just finished
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Damn it !
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Thx to everyone @ Cologne. Twas a blast.
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Was a great time, thanks ESL for having us!
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Are there any free VOD's? The ESL site is quite confusing
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