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gCgCrypto
Profile Joined December 2010
Germany297 Posts
May 07 2012 19:01 GMT
#821
In IdrA´s defense, he played good games and stayed manered, no throwing away matches. it was way better and closer then 4-0 lets you think. I as a idra fan am really depressed about seeing IdrA in this shape but i feel like its a big step forward in his mentality that he did not throw G4 after being down 0-3 (although Morrow just rushed him there but well)
Give him a break, if he does not solve his mentality he will never bounce back but all this shit and pressure from the community sure aint helping. He needs to stop hating the game he plays for a living or stop playing the game he hates.
L E E J A E D O N G ! <3
Saechiis
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Netherlands4989 Posts
May 07 2012 19:04 GMT
#822
People focus so much on Idra losing, Morrow is is just incredibly good TvZ, even to Korean standards.
I think esports is pretty nice.
mordk
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
Chile8385 Posts
May 07 2012 19:05 GMT
#823
On May 07 2012 20:47 lolmlg wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 07 2012 20:11 bonse wrote:
On May 07 2012 18:18 blade55555 wrote:
On May 07 2012 17:31 bonse wrote:
I don't understand Idra fans. He said himself that he doesn't like SC2 (in State of the Game), he doesn't have any results. I suppose his fans love SC2, otherwise would have moved to another game... How can you be fan of someone who thinks that the game you love is sh*t (his words)? Just because of bad attitude and he trash talks players better than him?


He has results, just not lately he has been playing bad and has had an aweful first half (will almost half) of 2012. Being a fan doesn't mean if he's doing bad you shouldn't be a fan anymore, that's called a band wagoner (something like that lol). If you are truly a fan of a player, you will support him/her when he's good and keep supporting him/her when they are doing bad.

My main point was that Idra hates the game. I heard him saying it. It's one thing to be fan of someone who is in a bad period but loves the game, is dedicated to it and works hard to climb back up. But Idra just doesn't care, he plays because there isn't something better that would bring him $ ( I mean he gets hundreds of dollars for every showmatch he goes 0-4, why change anything?). He puts no passion in the game, why would you put passion in him?
Why be fan of such a guy?

It's not a musical instrument. If you enjoy watching his games then you enjoy watching his games. You're not going to feel any player's soul by watching them in GSL. All you're going to see is some cool builds or neat tricks or insane micro or whatever. It's like listening to metal. Hue hue hue.

Anyway, loving a strategy game so much that you can't appreciate the games of someone who's way better than you but says he dislikes it is a bit silly.

That's bullshit, I feel a lot of connection to players I watch at the GSL. People just like to disregard this because they're koreans and they think koreans have no "personality" as they like to call it, which is a completely subjective perception that people like to generalize about.
TheSubtleArt
Profile Joined May 2011
Canada2527 Posts
May 07 2012 19:08 GMT
#824
On May 08 2012 02:49 Tyree wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 07 2012 23:46 Jarree wrote:
On May 07 2012 22:50 Holgerius wrote:
What the hell has happened to Idra? O_o

I believe it was the metagame shift from ling-bling-muta -> ling-infestor. Idra was a great macro player with decent muta micro but that's pretty much it. He never varied from his standard play and I think it cost him in the long run when the metagame shifted (because of 3cc builds). At least i dont remember him winning against any good player with ling-infestor or roach-infestor.



This post nails it. There was a time when Idra went Muta 9 out of 10 times against Terran and it worked pretty well against other foreigners..well most of them. But things changed and he hasent..changed?

No surprise that Morrow won, he always struck me as a more pure talented player than Idra. Someone who could make something out of nothing.

Lol excuses. DRG was playing mutas 9 out of 10 games back then too, as were most Zergs. Plus hes playing ling / infestor --> ultras a lot now so it's not like you can justify it by saying hes playing an outdated style.

What happened was simply that everyone else got better while Idra stayed the same. On SotG and ITG he always said he didn't practice much and would continue the trend until it caught up to him. That explains why he tends to suck for a while, show good form for a tourney or 2 (IEM Guanzhou or however u spell it), and repeat the cycle. It probably just comes down to hating the game. Other successful pros have been critical of it, but for the most part they still enjoy playing it and will agree it's a good experience overall. To Idra the game basically has no redeeming qualities, and while this is just an assumption, I have to think that hating the game this much is preventing him from being successful at it in an increasingly competitive player pool. Plus whatever mechanical superiority he got from his Brood War roots has obviously faded through time.
Dodge arrows
Seiniyta
Profile Joined May 2010
Belgium1815 Posts
May 07 2012 19:19 GMT
#825
Will there be a rebroadcasts/any vods? It was a bit too early for me to get up and watch it :p
Pokemon Master
drbrown
Profile Joined March 2012
Sweden442 Posts
May 07 2012 19:26 GMT
#826
On May 08 2012 03:47 lahara wrote:
ok, WTF has happened to idra. guess he needs practice in korea to reach his potential :/


If you dont like what you are doing you cant excel at it and IdrA often slips that "this game is trash" and other similar remarks on for example his stream and in other places. I think he is either to emotionally invested in the game or just bored with it.

Stephano for example attributes a lot of his skill to the fact that he adapted a more relaxed attitude towards the game, not getting angry about losses and just playing until he felt he was content.
I'm probably being ironic
Swords
Profile Blog Joined May 2012
6038 Posts
May 07 2012 19:30 GMT
#827
The thing I got out of IdrA's interview on Saturday (I think) and even past interviews as well is that he clearly has a pretty good idea of how to improve and get better at this game. However, it seems like he never takes the necessary actions to do so. I'd imagine his "hating the game" has something to do with it, but it's frustrating to see someone with a clear understanding that he just needs to grind and work his ass off but isn't really doing it. He definitely had the mechanical skill at some point to get really good with practice. It just seems like everything is slipping a little bit because of his mentality. I wish EG would hire a sports psychologist - I think we'd see a whole different IdrA - and potentially a whole new Incontrol or HuK as well.
m3rciless
Profile Joined August 2009
United States1476 Posts
May 07 2012 19:41 GMT
#828
On May 08 2012 04:30 Swords wrote:
The thing I got out of IdrA's interview on Saturday (I think) and even past interviews as well is that he clearly has a pretty good idea of how to improve and get better at this game. However, it seems like he never takes the necessary actions to do so. I'd imagine his "hating the game" has something to do with it, but it's frustrating to see someone with a clear understanding that he just needs to grind and work his ass off but isn't really doing it. He definitely had the mechanical skill at some point to get really good with practice. It just seems like everything is slipping a little bit because of his mentality. I wish EG would hire a sports psychologist - I think we'd see a whole different IdrA - and potentially a whole new Incontrol or HuK as well.


EG has had a sports psychologist on staff since the start of sc2, and IdrA regularly reads books on the subject as well.

Source: Alex Garfield, conversation
White-Ra fighting!
Dundron2000
Profile Joined October 2011
Sweden1140 Posts
May 07 2012 19:51 GMT
#829
i always feel a bit och schadenfreude when it comes to Idra. but i really hope it doesn't end up with him retiring out of pure frustration if things keep going like this.
n.Die_Jaedong
Surili
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United Kingdom1141 Posts
May 07 2012 19:55 GMT
#830
Hey guys, bought the pass, but am failing to understand NASL's vods :/ could someone point me to them? Or are they not up yet?
The world is ending what should we do about it?
Big J
Profile Joined March 2011
Austria16289 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-05-07 20:51:09
May 07 2012 20:50 GMT
#831
wow, 4-0?! I thought Morrow would destroy Idra, but that hard...
(kind of forgot about this event though )
ibo422
Profile Joined April 2012
Belgium2844 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-05-07 20:55:57
May 07 2012 20:55 GMT
#832
On May 08 2012 04:55 Surili wrote:
Hey guys, bought the pass, but am failing to understand NASL's vods :/ could someone point me to them? Or are they not up yet?

http://nl.twitch.tv/nasls3/b/317392589
vertigo1
Profile Joined October 2010
Scotland174 Posts
May 07 2012 21:03 GMT
#833
idra should do the honourable thing and retire
trolling is a art
krisss
Profile Joined November 2010
Luxembourg305 Posts
May 07 2012 21:04 GMT
#834
Since everyone is saying that IdrA hates the game..
I'm sometimes wondering which progamer does NOT hate the game?

I mean its a great game, but hey 10-12 hours a day the same builds, same thing over and over again. I would definately hate it. I'd be interested in some discussion about that in SOTG or sth. And i mean an honest discussion, not the usual "SC2 is the greatest thing ever, GO ESPORTS"-crap.
life is like fighting a dinosaur.. it's pretty hard.
blade55555
Profile Blog Joined March 2009
United States17423 Posts
May 07 2012 21:14 GMT
#835
On May 07 2012 20:11 bonse wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 07 2012 18:18 blade55555 wrote:
On May 07 2012 17:31 bonse wrote:
I don't understand Idra fans. He said himself that he doesn't like SC2 (in State of the Game), he doesn't have any results. I suppose his fans love SC2, otherwise would have moved to another game... How can you be fan of someone who thinks that the game you love is sh*t (his words)? Just because of bad attitude and he trash talks players better than him?


He has results, just not lately he has been playing bad and has had an aweful first half (will almost half) of 2012. Being a fan doesn't mean if he's doing bad you shouldn't be a fan anymore, that's called a band wagoner (something like that lol). If you are truly a fan of a player, you will support him/her when he's good and keep supporting him/her when they are doing bad.

My main point was that Idra hates the game. I heard him saying it. It's one thing to be fan of someone who is in a bad period but loves the game, is dedicated to it and works hard to climb back up. But Idra just doesn't care, he plays because there isn't something better that would bring him $ ( I mean he gets hundreds of dollars for every showmatch he goes 0-4, why change anything?). He puts no passion in the game, why would you put passion in him?
Why be fan of such a guy?


Why would I care if idra hates the game? I don't care, he was good for a lot of sc2 and plays a solid style. He can go shit all over sc2 and doesn't take away the fact that he still plays it a ton and is fairly good at it.

I imagine there are more players then just idra who hate the game but just dont' say it publicly.
When I think of something else, something will go here
naux
Profile Joined May 2011
Canada738 Posts
May 07 2012 21:59 GMT
#836
i really think idra should change races to terran.. his playstyle is just more suitable for terran..
turtle style with macro
i know people are gonna say its to late.. well HotS is coming out and there is his chance to change
ampson
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
United States2355 Posts
May 07 2012 22:01 GMT
#837
On May 08 2012 06:03 vertigo1 wrote:
idra should do the honourable thing and retire


You should do the honorable thing and shut up about stuff you know absolutely nothing about.
Hulavuta
Profile Blog Joined December 2011
United States1252 Posts
May 07 2012 22:09 GMT
#838
ugg, the vod lags for me so bad, is there anyway I can watch this in waaaaaaaaay way way way lower quality? Like I set the quality to lowest and everything and it still lags like hell.
Done with Team Liquid for a while. Don't expect to find me here.
MrCash
Profile Joined October 2011
United States1504 Posts
May 07 2012 22:16 GMT
#839
On May 08 2012 06:03 vertigo1 wrote:
idra should do the honourable thing and retire


You should do the honorable thing and stop mooching off your parents.
Quit school, get a job, pay for a tiny lousy apartment yourself, that will make you a man...
Grend
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
1600 Posts
May 07 2012 22:18 GMT
#840
On May 08 2012 06:59 naux wrote:
i really think idra should change races to terran.. his playstyle is just more suitable for terran..
turtle style with macro
i know people are gonna say its to late.. well HotS is coming out and there is his chance to change

I actually agree. He was better in bw as terran too. Bad idea to switch right before HOTS though, time for zerg to get some crazy flexibility and zoning units!
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