Casters: Isaac "Azael" Cummings-Bentley & Bryce "Machine" Bates
Format
The Evil Geniuses Master’s Cup Series League will feature 12 teams in a round robin format with each team matchup containing at least four best of three games between two teams. The top four teams at the end of the season will advance to the playoffs on a two day live broadcast weekend. Results Complexity vs. Mousesports
Kinda strange that when coL.MvP was in the tournament, they kinda alternated between American and Korean players, but now there's no MvP and they're using all 4 Koreans. Maybe they are just worried more vs Mouz?
On April 26 2012 11:28 Hulavuta wrote: Kinda strange that when coL.MvP was in the tournament, they kinda alternated between American and Korean players, but now there's no MvP and they're using all 4 Koreans. Maybe they are just worried more vs Mouz?
This week and last week were SUPER important for coL. If they lose even once, they're out. So they NEED to bring their A game
Well shit, coL have brought out the big guns. Ganzi's stepped up his TvP recently, and Mana hasn't been playing well, so it's probably gonna go to coL on this, with Thorzain beating Killer, and Mouz loosing the rest.
On April 27 2012 01:45 HeeroFX wrote: Thorzain 2-0 Ganzi 2-0 Nada 2-0 Heart 2-0
Col wins 3-1
8 straight Terran wins to decide the match? Man, I hope not x.x
Mana has really good PvT so I think he can win his set, so I think it'll split 2-2 (along with Thorzain, Nada, and Heart) with an interesting ace match
On April 26 2012 11:28 Hulavuta wrote: Kinda strange that when coL.MvP was in the tournament, they kinda alternated between American and Korean players, but now there's no MvP and they're using all 4 Koreans. Maybe they are just worried more vs Mouz?
This week and last week were SUPER important for coL. If they lose even once, they're out. So they NEED to bring their A game
They can losse one or two more matches, even if they lose against mouz, they still are 3-3, the teams in the playoffs are 4-2 and there are still 5 days left.
I feel like it could go either way so easily. Hopefully there's an ace match since col.mvp looks scarier overall, but at the same time mouz have done really well in this. Should be good =D
On April 26 2012 11:28 Hulavuta wrote: Kinda strange that when coL.MvP was in the tournament, they kinda alternated between American and Korean players, but now there's no MvP and they're using all 4 Koreans. Maybe they are just worried more vs Mouz?
This week and last week were SUPER important for coL. If they lose even once, they're out. So they NEED to bring their A game
They can losse one or two more matches, even if they lose against mouz, they still are 3-3, the teams in the playoffs are 4-2 and there are still 5 days left.
Why risk it though? Why not use your best people and get them air time?
Ace match: Either Ganzi/Nada 2-1 Thorzain or Heart 1-2 Thorzain
Mouz plz win this
Wholeheartedly agree with this. Although I feel that coL should be able to win it, I want Mouz to win and continue their reputation as a top team within Team Leagues.
Very nice early game decision making and micro from Killer, he's actually in a very nice spot going into the midgame. ThorZaIN's go to build is really weak against this followup to start with, let alone losing rines and 3 scvs ><
Does anyone keep getting a stupid loading wheel that never leads to anything anytime a commercial is run? I think it's a Twitch.tv issue but it's super fucking annoying.
On April 27 2012 10:18 Mordiford wrote: Does anyone keep getting a stupid loading wheel that never leads to anything anytime a commercial is run? I think it's a Twitch.tv issue but it's super fucking annoying.
I got that earlier on but then when I completely closed out my entire browser and restarted it and turned the stream and TL back on, it went away. Try that?
On April 27 2012 10:18 Mordiford wrote: Does anyone keep getting a stupid loading wheel that never leads to anything anytime a commercial is run? I think it's a Twitch.tv issue but it's super fucking annoying.
I got that earlier on but then when I completely closed out my entire browser and restarted it and turned the stream and TL back on, it went away. Try that?
Thanks. If I get it again, I'll definitely try that out.
Money drop by ThorZaIN, forced Killer to make a really poor decision and he lost all of the colossi and sentrys >< Don't see him losing this now, especially with a 3rd CC
As the dark templar was getting past the natural, it gets detected by the finished turret and sniped. Unbelievable. Two seconds later and Thorzain may have had trouble.
Welp, that's a huge risk to take in an ace match >.> Killer getting the short end of the stick and looks like he'll go out to this counter timing, idk the decision for that build, he's scouted early ebay in the last match ><
edit: ThorZaIN may be manner, but he's the biggest troll ever lmfao.
On April 27 2012 10:45 DarkPlasmaBall wrote: Oh man that turret timing... wowwww.
As the dark templar was getting past the natural, it gets detected by the finished turret and sniped. Unbelievable. Two seconds later and Thorzain may have had trouble.
Well he was at 44 energy on his orbital at the natural when the dt's arrived, just close depots and scan expo and no problem, but just putting up the turret in the first place, or the perfect scouting timing to catch the probe was just wow
I know it was fun an all, but so much cockiness from these two casters, specially machine... when you are ahead, you get more ahead....show some respect eg.bros
Killer just plays really bad sometimes. Aside from the decision to go DTs, the way he handled most engagements after that were pretty wonky. He was absolutely dead by that last engagement, but even so, watching him block all his charging zealots with his two immortals was really disappointing.
Mana can't continue to pressure but he did a decent job, 3 marauders at a time will definitely push back this attack, Don't think Mana should commit much more to this, his tech is so delayed right now depite the mining time delayed
I haven't liked ganzi since he acted so whiny and emo about how mma got all the attention. His attempts at banter during his 2v2 match @ MLG spring arena didn't help either. yes, he's certainly done better since leaving slayers but I'm sure he'd be doing just as well if he just corrected his attitude while still on his team.
On April 27 2012 11:36 Hall0wed wrote: Ganzi had horrid TvP at one point but ever since around the time he left SlayerS it has been great. Real shocker there.
why should it be natural that he improve at tvp after leaving slayers? they're not exactly the most ascendant of the korean teams atm but I'd imagine its still a great practice environment.
On April 26 2012 11:28 Hulavuta wrote: Kinda strange that when coL.MvP was in the tournament, they kinda alternated between American and Korean players, but now there's no MvP and they're using all 4 Koreans. Maybe they are just worried more vs Mouz?
This week and last week were SUPER important for coL. If they lose even once, they're out. So they NEED to bring their A game
They can losse one or two more matches, even if they lose against mouz, they still are 3-3, the teams in the playoffs are 4-2 and there are still 5 days left.
Why risk it though? Why not use your best people and get them air time?
You certainly have a better chance to make it to the playoffs, if you bring your a-team, but it´s not, that col. would be out, if thy lost today or smth. like that, so the first statement was a bit over-dramatic.
On April 27 2012 11:36 Hall0wed wrote: Gotta love how unbelievably underrated Ganzi is. All the kids in here thinking Mana had a chance in that @.@
Ganzi had horrid TvP at one point but ever since around the time he left SlayerS it has been great. Real shocker there.
Ganzi's TvP has been very weak in the past, while Mana has had great PvT. I admit I guessed wrong and thought Mana would win, but hindsight is always 20/20 and it is always easy to belittle predictions after the match has been played :p
On April 27 2012 11:36 Hall0wed wrote: Gotta love how unbelievably underrated Ganzi is. All the kids in here thinking Mana had a chance in that @.@
Ganzi had horrid TvP at one point but ever since around the time he left SlayerS it has been great. Real shocker there.
Ganzi's TvP has been very weak in the past, while Mana has had great PvT. I admit I guessed wrong and thought Mana would win, but hindsight is always 20/20 and it is always easy to belittle predictions after the match has been played :p
I made my predictions at the #1 post and said coL 3-1. I didn't specify that 1 win for mouz but I had hoped it would be obvious that it was Thorzain. So no hindsight. I watch Ganzi's stream a good bit so I know how much good he is (and how much better he is than foreigners). ;P
Also, Ganzi's TvP was weak in the past against Koreans whereas Mana's PvT was strong against foreigners. Colossal difference I would say.
On April 27 2012 11:36 Hall0wed wrote: Ganzi had horrid TvP at one point but ever since around the time he left SlayerS it has been great. Real shocker there.
why should it be natural that he improve at tvp after leaving slayers? they're not exactly the most ascendant of the korean teams atm but I'd imagine its still a great practice environment.
Very well played by Hasu, level headed decision making despite a really tense scenario there. That probe ^^, hopefully we'll have a good game 3, Hasu was my pick to upset today, let's see if he can make good on it ><
On April 27 2012 11:36 Hall0wed wrote: Ganzi had horrid TvP at one point but ever since around the time he left SlayerS it has been great. Real shocker there.
why should it be natural that he improve at tvp after leaving slayers? they're not exactly the most ascendant of the korean teams atm but I'd imagine its still a great practice environment.
Was jokes. Like haha?
Gotcha. I wasn't sure if, like some other koreans on foreign teams, he housed with another korean house. So if he had been staying with Startale, FXO or OGS/Liquid then that would definitely help his tvp
On April 27 2012 11:36 Hall0wed wrote: Gotta love how unbelievably underrated Ganzi is. All the kids in here thinking Mana had a chance in that @.@
Ganzi had horrid TvP at one point but ever since around the time he left SlayerS it has been great. Real shocker there.
Ganzi's TvP has been very weak in the past, while Mana has had great PvT. I admit I guessed wrong and thought Mana would win, but hindsight is always 20/20 and it is always easy to belittle predictions after the match has been played :p
I made my predictions at the #1 post and said coL 3-1. I didn't specify that 1 win for mouz but I had hoped it would be obvious that it was Thorzain. So no hindsight. I watch Ganzi's stream a good bit so I know how much good he is (and how much better he is than foreigners). ;P
Also, Ganzi's TvP was weak in the past against Koreans whereas Mana's PvT was strong against foreigners. Colossal difference I would say.
MaNa´s PvT was strong against koreans as well. He has a winning record against Puma, what is smth. not many Protoss hvae, he destroyed NaDa, when NaDa was in Code S and defeated MMA, Clide, Rain (more than one time), had very close games with Polt and defeated Ganzi in a bo9. He can go against koreans as well.
Ye lol never saw that before yet its so obvious this is strong as shit. Because marines are not really the problem to defend against its the bunker. Awesome reation by Hasu.
holyshit how did hasu win that, i actually stopped watching when i saw nada at 30+ supple with 2-2 upgrades against 0-0, then came back at nada being stuck in his main base, how?
On April 27 2012 12:34 TheAngryZergling wrote: poor nada. slumping so hard lately
"So fell Lord Perth, and the countryside did shake with that thunder."
More like playing way too much LoL =/ He lost his passion.
seriously??
I know a lot of community leaders are saying how they're glad LOL is doing well since it somehow translates vaguely into esports dollars but friggin A, if it distracts Nada (amongst others) then it is a blight.
ah well, either bigs has the most epic comeback over the next two games or I get to see thorzain wreck face again.
On April 27 2012 12:34 TheAngryZergling wrote: poor nada. slumping so hard lately
"So fell Lord Perth, and the countryside did shake with that thunder."
More like playing way too much LoL =/ He lost his passion.
seriously??
I know a lot of community leaders are saying how they're glad LOL is doing well since it somehow translates vaguely into esports dollars but friggin A, if it distracts Nada (amongst others) then it is a blight.
ah well, either bigs has the most epic comeback over the next two games or I get to see thorzain wreck face again.
Yeah Nada really likes LoL and was even featured in a something for it. Here is the video
Heart would be more likable as a spectator if he didn't all-in every single game. We have many cheesy players that are well liked, mainly because they have a strong macro game when they want to (MMA?) but are capable of going for the all-in to mix things up.
On April 27 2012 13:24 Falconblade wrote: Heart would be more likable as a spectator if he didn't all-in every single game. We have many cheesy players that are well liked, mainly because they have a strong macro game when they want to (MMA?) but are capable of going for the all-in to mix things up.
On April 27 2012 13:24 Falconblade wrote: Heart would be more likable as a spectator if he didn't all-in every single game. We have many cheesy players that are well liked, mainly because they have a strong macro game when they want to (MMA?) but are capable of going for the all-in to mix things up.
HeartByHeartPrime?
Ace match!
Ganzi vs. Mana again... Revenge or re-roflstomp?
Bitbybit was funny because it was a novelty then. And I still didn't enjoy his games.
Edit: But seriously, pros should be able to handle early pushes. If they can't handle it then the "cheeser" gets an easy win and they need to work on their early defense. If they DO defend it, they're in a strong position usually. It's part of the game and the goal is to win, not look for long games each time out.
Mana as the ace rather than Thorzain? Nothing against Mana, but Thorzain is ... Thorzain. He's probably the second best foreigner in the world behind Stephano.
On April 27 2012 13:31 entropius wrote: Mana as the ace rather than Thorzain? Nothing against Mana, but Thorzain is ... Thorzain. He's probably the second best foreigner in the world behind Stephano.
Probably a mindgame. GanZi beat MaNa first up, but GanZi is clearly going to be ace, and his worst matchup is TvP, and his TvT is very strong.
On April 27 2012 13:24 Falconblade wrote: Heart would be more likable as a spectator if he didn't all-in every single game. We have many cheesy players that are well liked, mainly because they have a strong macro game when they want to (MMA?) but are capable of going for the all-in to mix things up.
I don't think you follow the scene very well, MMA is not a cheesy player and Heart has a strong macro game as well.
On April 27 2012 13:24 Falconblade wrote: Heart would be more likable as a spectator if he didn't all-in every single game. We have many cheesy players that are well liked, mainly because they have a strong macro game when they want to (MMA?) but are capable of going for the all-in to mix things up.
I don't think you follow the scene very well, MMA is not a cheesy player and Heart has a strong macro game as well.
Actually MMA can be really cheesy, but he's very strategic with his all-ins.
On April 27 2012 13:24 Falconblade wrote: Heart would be more likable as a spectator if he didn't all-in every single game. We have many cheesy players that are well liked, mainly because they have a strong macro game when they want to (MMA?) but are capable of going for the all-in to mix things up.
I don't think you follow the scene very well, MMA is not a cheesy player and Heart has a strong macro game as well.
MMA can be very cheesy when he wants, but he has excellent Macro when he wants it. GST October, Blizz Cup finals come to mind. He's excellent at choosing the best time to cheese. G1 vs. Mvp in GSL finals? Etc. etc.
And Heart is very all-in based, that was the main gripe with him during MLG.
On April 27 2012 13:24 Falconblade wrote: Heart would be more likable as a spectator if he didn't all-in every single game. We have many cheesy players that are well liked, mainly because they have a strong macro game when they want to (MMA?) but are capable of going for the all-in to mix things up.
I don't think you follow the scene very well, MMA is not a cheesy player and Heart has a strong macro game as well.
Actually MMA can be really cheesy, but he's very strategic with his all-ins.
All-in =/= cheese. I'll just assume we have different definitions of both these words so I won't bother arguing. =P
On April 27 2012 13:24 Falconblade wrote: Heart would be more likable as a spectator if he didn't all-in every single game. We have many cheesy players that are well liked, mainly because they have a strong macro game when they want to (MMA?) but are capable of going for the all-in to mix things up.
I don't think you follow the scene very well, MMA is not a cheesy player and Heart has a strong macro game as well.
Actually MMA can be really cheesy, but he's very strategic with his all-ins.
Hes certainly not far away from the best Terrans, but what holds him back imo is the team. doubt he got a teamhouse to practice right now, and Heart and NaDa, while good arent top tier players either.
On April 27 2012 13:39 CosmicSpiral wrote: If Ganzi shored up his micro he would have one of the best TvPs in the world (and one of the best TvZs).
On April 27 2012 13:35 Hall0wed wrote:
On April 27 2012 13:24 Falconblade wrote: Heart would be more likable as a spectator if he didn't all-in every single game. We have many cheesy players that are well liked, mainly because they have a strong macro game when they want to (MMA?) but are capable of going for the all-in to mix things up.
I don't think you follow the scene very well, MMA is not a cheesy player and Heart has a strong macro game as well.
Actually MMA can be really cheesy, but he's very strategic with his all-ins.
Hes certainly not far away from the best Terrans, imo what holds him back is the team. doubt he got a teamhouse to practice right now, and Heart and NaDa arent top tier players either.
Hes certainly not far away from the best Terrans, but what holds him back imo is the team. doubt he got a teamhouse to practice right now, and Heart and NaDa, while good arent top tier players either.
fnatic would have been the better choice.
Ok, I can see the comment about NaDa (a bit) because he's slumping. But Heart just finished 3rd and Columbus and Top 4 at Spring Arena (basically an all-star type event). Not top tier? Wake up.
Hes certainly not far away from the best Terrans, but what holds him back imo is the team. doubt he got a teamhouse to practice right now, and Heart and NaDa, while good arent top tier players either.
fnatic would have been the better choice.
Ok, I can see the comment about NaDa (a bit) because he's slumping. But Heart just finished 3rd and Columbus and Top 4 at Spring Arena (basically an all-star type event). Not top tier? Wake up.
well GanZi is the strongest player of coL, but in order to become considered Top 3 Terran, he would need to practice with a even stronger player than him.
Hes certainly not far away from the best Terrans, but what holds him back imo is the team. doubt he got a teamhouse to practice right now, and Heart and NaDa, while good arent top tier players either.
fnatic would have been the better choice.
Ok, I can see the comment about NaDa (a bit) because he's slumping. But Heart just finished 3rd and Columbus and Top 4 at Spring Arena (basically an all-star type event). Not top tier? Wake up.
Heart is a fantastic player, I was hyping him back when he was an unknown and was getting like 30 viewers on his stream. People that think otherwise just don't truly enjoy Starcraft and/or are delusional.
Hes certainly not far away from the best Terrans, but what holds him back imo is the team. doubt he got a teamhouse to practice right now, and Heart and NaDa, while good arent top tier players either.
fnatic would have been the better choice.
Ok, I can see the comment about NaDa (a bit) because he's slumping. But Heart just finished 3rd and Columbus and Top 4 at Spring Arena (basically an all-star type event). Not top tier? Wake up.
Heart is a fantastic player, I was hyping him back when he was an unknown and was getting like 30 viewers on his stream. People that think otherwise just don't truly enjoy Starcraft and/or are delusional.
On April 27 2012 13:31 entropius wrote: Mana as the ace rather than Thorzain? Nothing against Mana, but Thorzain is ... Thorzain. He's probably the second best foreigner in the world behind Stephano.
Hes certainly not far away from the best Terrans, but what holds him back imo is the team. doubt he got a teamhouse to practice right now, and Heart and NaDa, while good arent top tier players either.
fnatic would have been the better choice.
Ok, I can see the comment about NaDa (a bit) because he's slumping. But Heart just finished 3rd and Columbus and Top 4 at Spring Arena (basically an all-star type event). Not top tier? Wake up.
Heart played well for such a short period of time. Since his last accomplishment, he hasn't played very well at all. Not top tier.
On April 27 2012 13:31 entropius wrote: Mana as the ace rather than Thorzain? Nothing against Mana, but Thorzain is ... Thorzain. He's probably the second best foreigner in the world behind Stephano.
Probably not.
ThorZain has been beasting up this month quite a bit, easily best Foreign-Terran.
I think the Top 3 Foreigners are Stephano, NaNiwa and ThorZain
well GanZi is the strongest player of coL, but in order to become considered Top 3 Terran, he would need to practice with a even stronger player than him.
Judging by player interviews, they play with people outside of their teams a lot. Especially now that we have so many koreans on foreign teams. I wouldn't be surprise if players like MC, GanZi, aLive practice with each other.
Hes certainly not far away from the best Terrans, but what holds him back imo is the team. doubt he got a teamhouse to practice right now, and Heart and NaDa, while good arent top tier players either.
fnatic would have been the better choice.
Ok, I can see the comment about NaDa (a bit) because he's slumping. But Heart just finished 3rd and Columbus and Top 4 at Spring Arena (basically an all-star type event). Not top tier? Wake up.
Heart : Terran + Cheesy strats + Korean barely in Code A. I know auto-congratulation is fine but you have to be feeling lucky with his pick-up. His sole accomplishment before coL was a victory over IdrA in TL Open #21. When you compare to a player like TaeJa who has been impressive even before his pick-up it is rather shallow. Since then Heart has been monstrous but I can't help and think you just found another PuMa.
Hes certainly not far away from the best Terrans, but what holds him back imo is the team. doubt he got a teamhouse to practice right now, and Heart and NaDa, while good arent top tier players either.
fnatic would have been the better choice.
Ok, I can see the comment about NaDa (a bit) because he's slumping. But Heart just finished 3rd and Columbus and Top 4 at Spring Arena (basically an all-star type event). Not top tier? Wake up.
Heart : Terran + Cheesy strats + Korean barely in Code A. I know auto-congratulation is fine but you have to be feeling lucky with his pick-up. His sole accomplishment before coL was a victory over IdrA in TL Open #21. When you compare to a player like TaeJa who has been impressive even before his pick-up it is rather shallow. Since then Heart has been monstrous but I can't help and think you just found another PuMa.
I'm not sure I understand. How is it another PuMa? EG picked up PuMa when he was absolutely exploding and being touted as the best player in the world upon winning the NASL finals. From there, PuMa has been relatively consistent.
Complexity picked up Heart when "His sole accomplishment was a victory over IdrA in TL Open #21" and since then Heart has shown impressive play and good results. This is essentially the opposite of the PuMa pickup in terms of circumstance.
If you mean quality and play style wise, then that's another story altogether.
Hes certainly not far away from the best Terrans, but what holds him back imo is the team. doubt he got a teamhouse to practice right now, and Heart and NaDa, while good arent top tier players either.
fnatic would have been the better choice.
Ok, I can see the comment about NaDa (a bit) because he's slumping. But Heart just finished 3rd and Columbus and Top 4 at Spring Arena (basically an all-star type event). Not top tier? Wake up.
Heart : Terran + Cheesy strats + Korean barely in Code A. I know auto-congratulation is fine but you have to be feeling lucky with his pick-up. His sole accomplishment before coL was a victory over IdrA in TL Open #21. When you compare to a player like TaeJa who has been impressive even before his pick-up it is rather shallow. Since then Heart has been monstrous but I can't help and think you just found another PuMa.
I'm not sure I understand. How is it another PuMa? EG picked up PuMa when he was absolutely exploding and being touted as the best player in the world upon winning the NASL finals. From there, PuMa has been relatively consistent.
Complexity picked up Heart when "His sole accomplishment was a victory over IdrA in TL Open #21" and since then Heart has shown impressive play and good results. This is essentially the opposite of the PuMa pickup in terms of circumstance.
If you mean quality and play style wise, then that's another story altogether.
Didn't realize that winning NASL Season 2 and an IEM (and finishing top 4 at manyo thers) isn't showing good play...?
Hes certainly not far away from the best Terrans, but what holds him back imo is the team. doubt he got a teamhouse to practice right now, and Heart and NaDa, while good arent top tier players either.
fnatic would have been the better choice.
Ok, I can see the comment about NaDa (a bit) because he's slumping. But Heart just finished 3rd and Columbus and Top 4 at Spring Arena (basically an all-star type event). Not top tier? Wake up.
Heart : Terran + Cheesy strats + Korean barely in Code A. I know auto-congratulation is fine but you have to be feeling lucky with his pick-up. His sole accomplishment before coL was a victory over IdrA in TL Open #21. When you compare to a player like TaeJa who has been impressive even before his pick-up it is rather shallow. Since then Heart has been monstrous but I can't help and think you just found another PuMa.
I'm not sure I understand. How is it another PuMa? EG picked up PuMa when he was absolutely exploding and being touted as the best player in the world upon winning the NASL finals. From there, PuMa has been relatively consistent.
Complexity picked up Heart when "His sole accomplishment was a victory over IdrA in TL Open #21" and since then Heart has shown impressive play and good results. This is essentially the opposite of the PuMa pickup in terms of circumstance.
If you mean quality and play style wise, then that's another story altogether.
Didn't realize that winning NASL Season 2 and an IEM (and finishing top 4 at manyo thers) isn't showing good play...?
you may want to reread the post you quoted, because it doesnt say that puma isnt showing good play or results
Hes certainly not far away from the best Terrans, but what holds him back imo is the team. doubt he got a teamhouse to practice right now, and Heart and NaDa, while good arent top tier players either.
fnatic would have been the better choice.
Ok, I can see the comment about NaDa (a bit) because he's slumping. But Heart just finished 3rd and Columbus and Top 4 at Spring Arena (basically an all-star type event). Not top tier? Wake up.
Heart : Terran + Cheesy strats + Korean barely in Code A. I know auto-congratulation is fine but you have to be feeling lucky with his pick-up. His sole accomplishment before coL was a victory over IdrA in TL Open #21. When you compare to a player like TaeJa who has been impressive even before his pick-up it is rather shallow. Since then Heart has been monstrous but I can't help and think you just found another PuMa.
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