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On April 24 2012 08:09 CrugerDK wrote:
this format makes no sense what so ever........
you ending up with a huge NA qualifier because of the whole top 80 thing, while leaving out many top EU players..
and why are the top 4 from this arena 1 even in this event?? surely they are already in the championship...
the top 4 from arena 1 deserves to play in arena 2 (even if they already qualified for pool play in the championship). It's stupid to say something like "you don't deserve a chance to win more prize money b/c you played too well at the first arena!" You would basically be punishing players b/c they did too good in the previous event
On April 24 2012 08:13 Serinox wrote:Show nested quote +On April 24 2012 08:09 CrugerDK wrote:
this format makes no sense what so ever........
you ending up with a huge NA qualifier because of the whole top 80 thing, while leaving out many top EU players..
and why are the top 4 from this arena 1 even in this event?? surely they are already in the championship... No they are not. Nobody has a pool spot for the championship yet. NOBODY!
top 4 from arena 1 got pool spots already
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This is the second stage of the Qualifiers, which is why the EU list has narrowed to 18 - the first stage eliminated a huge batch of players. What allows the NA and KR/TW list to contain 20+ players is that MLG invites the 9th-80th seeded players in their league directly into the second stage of the qualifiers. Very few EU players went to the MLGs on their own, and that's why they're not in the seeds.
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On April 24 2012 08:09 CrugerDK wrote:
this format makes no sense what so ever........
you ending up with a huge NA qualifier because of the whole top 80 thing, while leaving out many top EU players..
and why are the top 4 from this arena 1 even in this event?? surely they are already in the championship...
The Top 4 from the Arena 1 and Thorzain are not in this event, unless MLG made a mistake.
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On April 24 2012 08:05 Otolia wrote:Show nested quote +On April 24 2012 08:02 FreudianTrip wrote:On April 24 2012 08:00 Otolia wrote:
Guys, read the topic, read Liquipedia and stop ranting mindlessly about a system you don't know. Which part? The part where you comply about the low EU turnout when unusual players have qualified from the Open Online Qualifiers, the rest of the invited players for the Invite Only are people who were at the championship. The qualified players deserve a shot because they won, we have to stop seeing the same players over and over again. I want to see Fraer, Tefel and other newcomers instead of the rotting Strelok (though very nice) or any of the copycat Empire Terrans. Id est : System working as intended.
I agree that roof, Seiplo & Fraer deserves a chance to show just how good they are, but this system is pretty conservative, I would say. You have 8 qualifiers from an open qualifier, and then you have the 'good ol' boys' of past participators of MLGs (in other words, the people who won the winter qualifier have a massive advantage over the spring qualifiers).
I see no reason not to include more people in the current qualifier, preferably in a system less random than this. Single-bracket systems are pretty terrible at ranking players by ability. The importance of a good draw and the variance of single bo3s make for a somewhat random outcome.
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MLG just needs to take more than 8 people from the open qualifiers that's all. 16 or 32 would be plenty.
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man broadcasting the Na will take more time than the other two qualifiers combined. Hoping the Liquid guy, Golden and Attero make it through
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On April 24 2012 08:23 m0ck wrote:Show nested quote +On April 24 2012 08:05 Otolia wrote:On April 24 2012 08:02 FreudianTrip wrote:On April 24 2012 08:00 Otolia wrote:
Guys, read the topic, read Liquipedia and stop ranting mindlessly about a system you don't know. Which part? The part where you comply about the low EU turnout when unusual players have qualified from the Open Online Qualifiers, the rest of the invited players for the Invite Only are people who were at the championship. The qualified players deserve a shot because they won, we have to stop seeing the same players over and over again. I want to see Fraer, Tefel and other newcomers instead of the rotting Strelok (though very nice) or any of the copycat Empire Terrans. Id est : System working as intended. I agree that roof, Seiplo & Fraer deserves a chance to show just how good they are, but this system is pretty conservative, I would say. You have 8 qualifiers from an open qualifier, and then you have the 'good ol' boys' of past participators of MLGs (in other words, the people who won the winter qualifier have a massive advantage over the spring qualifiers). I see no reason not to include more people in the current qualifier, preferably in a system less random than this. Single-bracket systems are pretty terrible at ranking players by ability. The importance of a good draw and the variance of single bo3s make for a somewhat random outcome.
That's another complain and I agree with you, even though the qualifiers were double elim. I'm an advocate of completely open qualifiers based tournaments.
However people were complaining about the line up for EU because they didn't bother to inform themselves. That's not acceptable.
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I have a feeling that the top 8 will be all Koreans.
Anyone care to bet against me? :D
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On April 24 2012 08:32 ref4 wrote:
I have a feeling that the top 8 will be all Koreans.
Anyone care to bet against me? :D
If Stephano, Naniwa, Huk, and Idra all make it in, I would take that bet.
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On April 24 2012 08:32 ref4 wrote:
I have a feeling that the top 8 will be all Koreans.
Anyone care to bet against me? :D
Did you read the OP ? Because the top 8 of this qualifiers can't be only koreans since there is 3 separate brackets ...
/facepalm
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On April 24 2012 08:30 Otolia wrote:Show nested quote +On April 24 2012 08:23 m0ck wrote:On April 24 2012 08:05 Otolia wrote:On April 24 2012 08:02 FreudianTrip wrote:On April 24 2012 08:00 Otolia wrote:
Guys, read the topic, read Liquipedia and stop ranting mindlessly about a system you don't know. Which part? The part where you comply about the low EU turnout when unusual players have qualified from the Open Online Qualifiers, the rest of the invited players for the Invite Only are people who were at the championship. The qualified players deserve a shot because they won, we have to stop seeing the same players over and over again. I want to see Fraer, Tefel and other newcomers instead of the rotting Strelok (though very nice) or any of the copycat Empire Terrans. Id est : System working as intended. I agree that roof, Seiplo & Fraer deserves a chance to show just how good they are, but this system is pretty conservative, I would say. You have 8 qualifiers from an open qualifier, and then you have the 'good ol' boys' of past participators of MLGs (in other words, the people who won the winter qualifier have a massive advantage over the spring qualifiers). I see no reason not to include more people in the current qualifier, preferably in a system less random than this. Single-bracket systems are pretty terrible at ranking players by ability. The importance of a good draw and the variance of single bo3s make for a somewhat random outcome. That's another complain and I agree with you, even though the qualifiers were double elim. I'm an advocate of completely open qualifiers based tournaments. However people were complaining about the line up for EU because they didn't bother to inform themselves. That's not acceptable.
They were indeed double-brackets, my bad. In that case, I think MLG has given the qualifiers for the qualifier a decent shot, even though I don't really see the need of rewarding so many people for simply showing up at the last MLG. In any case, it's a decent system. There's a lot of great players missing, but most of them tried but failed.
Looking at the brackets for the pre-qualifier is a hassle though, the bracket-page doesn't really work in chrome (at least at my end). The page loads very slowly and I had no names show up in the bracket. Firefox is better, but still loads very slowly.
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On April 24 2012 08:23 m0ck wrote:Show nested quote +On April 24 2012 08:05 Otolia wrote:On April 24 2012 08:02 FreudianTrip wrote:On April 24 2012 08:00 Otolia wrote:
Guys, read the topic, read Liquipedia and stop ranting mindlessly about a system you don't know. Which part? The part where you comply about the low EU turnout when unusual players have qualified from the Open Online Qualifiers, the rest of the invited players for the Invite Only are people who were at the championship. The qualified players deserve a shot because they won, we have to stop seeing the same players over and over again. I want to see Fraer, Tefel and other newcomers instead of the rotting Strelok (though very nice) or any of the copycat Empire Terrans. Id est : System working as intended. I agree that roof, Seiplo & Fraer deserves a chance to show just how good they are, but this system is pretty conservative, I would say. You have 8 qualifiers from an open qualifier, and then you have the 'good ol' boys' of past participators of MLGs (in other words, the people who won the winter qualifier have a massive advantage over the spring qualifiers). I see no reason not to include more people in the current qualifier, preferably in a system less random than this. Single-bracket systems are pretty terrible at ranking players by ability. The importance of a good draw and the variance of single bo3s make for a somewhat random outcome.
There are only 10 spots for Europeans. So taking 8 from qualifiers is reasonable IMO. Also someone already pointed out the qualifier was double elim not single.
If you hope to make top 10, you probably should be able to make top 8 in a qualifier that excludes the "good ol boys" as you say.
What advantage do people who won the winter qualifier have over the spring qualifier?
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On April 24 2012 08:46 Otolia wrote:Show nested quote +On April 24 2012 08:32 ref4 wrote:
I have a feeling that the top 8 will be all Koreans.
Anyone care to bet against me? :D Did you read the OP ? Because the top 8 of this qualifiers can't be only koreans since there is 3 separate brackets ... /facepalm
I meant Spring Arena II, the actual tournament itself X_X
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Good luck to Golden in the KR qualifier , and wtf 64 bracket for NA less than half for the others oO
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I dont think you shoukd be able to play a qualifier when you dint live in the region ... Dumb to see Naniwa/Koreans in a NA qualifier. They dont even live in NA except Violet
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the reason EU seems weak is because a lot of the big names got knocked out in the qualifiers (kas, white-ra, mana, nerchio, titan etc.)
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My picks
NA: ViOlet. HuK, Naniwa, Illusion, Rain, Jinro, Sleep, DDE. To many protoss players for Idra to qualify.
EU: Pomi, Tefel, Stephano, Socke, Ret, Bling, Grubby, Morrow, Sjow.
KR: MC, JYP, Nestea, MVP, Polt, Leenock, MMA, Maru, Alive, STC
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Wonder if Nestea will win this one too =o
hopefully the follow-up performance is better at the arena -_-
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I really really hope that Stephano will take this (ofc he probably will), I just want him to pown at an MLG so hard.
And what happened to HerO? I haven't seen him in a tourney since assembly.
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EPT
