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Evil Geniuses Master's Cup Series League - Season VIIThursday, Apr 19 1:00am GMT (GMT+00:00)Website: http://mcsl.evilgeniuses.net/Stream: http://www.twitch.tv/onemoregametvCaster: Marcus " djWHEAT" Graham
FormatThe Evil Geniuses Master’s Cup Series League will feature 12 teams in a round robin format with each team matchup containing at least four best of three games between two teams. The top four teams at the end of the season will advance to the playoffs on a two day live broadcast weekend.
Results![[image loading]](http://img543.imageshack.us/img543/4373/vileicon.png) ![[image loading]](http://img864.imageshack.us/img864/7029/vslogo.png) ![[image loading]](http://img851.imageshack.us/img851/8407/egicon.png) Vile vs. Evil Geniuses Hawk <GSL Crossfire SE>  PuMa + Show Spoiler + Hawk <GSL Crossfire SE> PuMa Hawk <GSL Daybreak> PuMa0-2 Domorin <GSL Metropolis> IdrA + Show Spoiler + Domorin <GSL Metropolis> IdrA Domorin <GSL Daybreak> IdrA Domorin <MLG Shakuras Plateau> IdrA1-2  State <GSL Antiga Shipyard> DeMusliM + Show Spoiler + State <GSL Antiga Shipyard> DeMusliM State <GSL Daybreak> DeMusliM State <GSL Cloud Kingdom> DeMusliM2-1 DdoRo <MLG Shakuras Plateau> JYP + Show Spoiler + DdoRo <MLG Shakuras Plateau> JYP DdoRo <?> JYP0-2
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Poll Poll: Who do you think will win?EG (80) 74% Vile (28) 26% 108 total votes Your vote: Who do you think will win? (Vote): Vile
(Vote): EG
Lineups+ Show Spoiler + ChAncE DdoRo Domorin HasHe Hawk Illusion PsY Spanishiwa State SyNc Yong DeMusliM HuK IdrA iNcontroL JYP LzGaMeR Machine PuMa
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Not playing illusion? Illusion could have beaten idra and demuslim out of those guys, would have been helpful. I also have a bit of a fetish for ChAncE, shame he's not here.
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First 2 sets are gonna be an EG stomp, the next 2 could go either way.
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On April 18 2012 18:20 bbm wrote:
Not playing illusion? Illusion could have beaten idra and demuslim out of those guys, would have been helpful. I also have a bit of a fetish for ChAncE, shame he's not here.
Nope.
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either 4-0 og 3-1 for EG. Idra and Puma pretty much win off of matchup/opponent, as well as JYP, Demuslim has a good shot but TvP seems quite volatile atm, depends a lot on how State is playing. State is also really good so I can see that going either way.
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Hawk < Puma
Domorin < Idra
State > Demuslim
Ddoro < JYP
I could see an EG 4-0 sweep, but State has always seemed solid enough and I don't think TvP is Demu's best mu.
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On April 18 2012 18:33 KvltMan wrote:Show nested quote +On April 18 2012 18:20 bbm wrote:
Not playing illusion? Illusion could have beaten idra and demuslim out of those guys, would have been helpful. I also have a bit of a fetish for ChAncE, shame he's not here. Nope.
tell that to oz ryung zenio and kiwi.
illusion is actually the biggest wildcard in na
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They really should have played Illusion.
As much as I love Vile, I do think they will lose.
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On April 18 2012 18:57 Gamegene wrote:Show nested quote +On April 18 2012 18:33 KvltMan wrote:On April 18 2012 18:20 bbm wrote:
Not playing illusion? Illusion could have beaten idra and demuslim out of those guys, would have been helpful. I also have a bit of a fetish for ChAncE, shame he's not here. Nope. tell that to oz ryung zenio and kiwi. illusion is actually the biggest wildcard in na
This man speaks the truth. Illusion is some kind of spade handed assassin when the stars are aligned.
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i think illusion isnt a wildcard, he's damn solid.
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On April 18 2012 19:38 ThePlayer33 wrote:
i think illusion isnt a wildcard, he's damn solid.
i don't doubt that. i only wonder what he can't do given enough time and resources.
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you guys got to remeber illusion is still in school he could have other things that have to come first.
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If anyone on EG is gonna lose this time, it'll be Demuslim. He has had some serious woes against Protoss as of late.
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puma 2-0, idra 2-0, Demuslim 2-1, ddoro 2-1 EG 3-1 (can never go against my team lol) But in all seriousness, EG shouldn't lose this on paper they are tooo strong.
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I wanna see EG 4-0 this but It might not happen
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Probably a 3-1 or 4-0 for EG. I could see DeMuslim possibly losing, but besides that.. All EG'ers should win
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On April 18 2012 18:33 KvltMan wrote:Show nested quote +On April 18 2012 18:20 bbm wrote:
Not playing illusion? Illusion could have beaten idra and demuslim out of those guys, would have been helpful. I also have a bit of a fetish for ChAncE, shame he's not here. Nope.
Remember when Namchir took out IdrA 2-0 in the EGMC? Just sayin.
I think IdrA and DeMu have shot at losing their matchups, but I'd expect them to both be 2-0's in their favor. DeMu State should be quite interesting I see it as a close match going either way.
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EG 4-0
Looking forward to DeMusliM new TvP style (and I hope he'll stream after that since he promised it on twitter :D ). I don't see the other players loosing their matches.
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EG should take this 4-0, handily. I'd be surprised if they drop a match, let alone a set.
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I see very little hope for Vile in this one
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Rooting for Vile, but it'll definitely be a tough fight.
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IDK, I can possibly see a 2-2 come from this.
Hawk < Puma
Domorin < Idra
State > Demuslim
Ddoro > JYP
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If it goes 2-2, Vile let's PsY play the ace match and he beats all eight EG players at the same time (he plays on 8 different computers).
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if state can beat demuslim and domorin cheeses out idra, maybe illusion can win the ace
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3-1 vile, puma beats hawk
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State might beat Demuslim, but that's about it. If vile was playing Illusion they might have a chance with Illusion and State winning, and Illusion taking the ace match, but I don't see that happening with the current lineup of players.
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No Illusion =/
Also, what happened to Yong? I'm surprised we haven't seen more of him, assuming he's still with vile.
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State is pretty good and has a good shot to beat Demu. Maybe Ddoro can pull some cross-server PvP shenanigans and beat JYP.
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Hawk < Puma
Domorin < Idra
State < Demuslim
Ddoro < JYP
Vile 0-4 EG
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On April 18 2012 18:57 Gamegene wrote:Show nested quote +On April 18 2012 18:33 KvltMan wrote:On April 18 2012 18:20 bbm wrote:
Not playing illusion? Illusion could have beaten idra and demuslim out of those guys, would have been helpful. I also have a bit of a fetish for ChAncE, shame he's not here. Nope. tell that to oz ryung zenio and kiwi. illusion is actually the biggest wildcard in na
Those are entirely different match ups, and Zenio's ZvT is quite frankly bad, at least compared to Idra. I think IdrA has a way higher chance of winning out in a BO5 series(Though I could see Illusion taking a cheese and/or a T favoured map in a macro game in BO3)
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ok I REALLY cant see how EG loses this but you know what... EG has made me surprised b4
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This will be a 4-0 an should end 2-0 for each EG player. Only series I can see a guy from Vile aking a game is the DeMuslim vs. State match though im confident that DeMu will 2-0 him. (Only match up EG could lose as well.)
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On April 19 2012 08:08 Aocowns wrote:Show nested quote +On April 18 2012 18:57 Gamegene wrote:On April 18 2012 18:33 KvltMan wrote:On April 18 2012 18:20 bbm wrote:
Not playing illusion? Illusion could have beaten idra and demuslim out of those guys, would have been helpful. I also have a bit of a fetish for ChAncE, shame he's not here. Nope. tell that to oz ryung zenio and kiwi. illusion is actually the biggest wildcard in na Those are entirely different match ups, and Zenio's ZvT is quite frankly bad, at least compared to Idra. I think IdrA has a way higher chance of winning out in a BO5 series(Though I could see Illusion taking a cheese and/or a T favoured map in a macro game in BO3)
Idra has lost way too much this year to be favoured against a player who just beat 3 code S players in one tournament.
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On April 19 2012 08:31 Dexington wrote:Show nested quote +On April 19 2012 08:08 Aocowns wrote:On April 18 2012 18:57 Gamegene wrote:On April 18 2012 18:33 KvltMan wrote:On April 18 2012 18:20 bbm wrote:
Not playing illusion? Illusion could have beaten idra and demuslim out of those guys, would have been helpful. I also have a bit of a fetish for ChAncE, shame he's not here. Nope. tell that to oz ryung zenio and kiwi. illusion is actually the biggest wildcard in na Those are entirely different match ups, and Zenio's ZvT is quite frankly bad, at least compared to Idra. I think IdrA has a way higher chance of winning out in a BO5 series(Though I could see Illusion taking a cheese and/or a T favoured map in a macro game in BO3) Idra has lost way too much this year to be favoured against a player who just beat 3 code S players in one tournament.
well its as much about the quality of the losses as the quantity of them... and IdrA has been getting a lot better almost beating bomber and jjaki
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Surely EG wins this, on paper they are still a really talented team I just wish they played up
to their ability  .
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On April 19 2012 08:36 CeriseCherries wrote:Show nested quote +On April 19 2012 08:31 Dexington wrote:On April 19 2012 08:08 Aocowns wrote:On April 18 2012 18:57 Gamegene wrote:On April 18 2012 18:33 KvltMan wrote:On April 18 2012 18:20 bbm wrote:
Not playing illusion? Illusion could have beaten idra and demuslim out of those guys, would have been helpful. I also have a bit of a fetish for ChAncE, shame he's not here. Nope. tell that to oz ryung zenio and kiwi. illusion is actually the biggest wildcard in na Those are entirely different match ups, and Zenio's ZvT is quite frankly bad, at least compared to Idra. I think IdrA has a way higher chance of winning out in a BO5 series(Though I could see Illusion taking a cheese and/or a T favoured map in a macro game in BO3) Idra has lost way too much this year to be favoured against a player who just beat 3 code S players in one tournament. well its as much about the quality of the losses as the quantity of them... and IdrA has been getting a lot better almost beating bomber and jjaki
Yeah, almost winning against two Koreans doesn't take away his absolutely dreadful performance at IEM, losing to the likes of Cloud, Real and Darkforce.
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Puma is cross server, and Hawk isn't bad, but Puma should still win. Won't be surprised if Hawk takes a game tho.
Idra will roll 2-0
State is probably favored vs Demuslim actually, his tvp is by far his weakest matchup and he loses to worse toss players on stream all the time.
last one is a pvp so anyone's guess.
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On April 19 2012 08:49 Dexington wrote:Show nested quote +On April 19 2012 08:36 CeriseCherries wrote:On April 19 2012 08:31 Dexington wrote:On April 19 2012 08:08 Aocowns wrote:On April 18 2012 18:57 Gamegene wrote:On April 18 2012 18:33 KvltMan wrote:On April 18 2012 18:20 bbm wrote:
Not playing illusion? Illusion could have beaten idra and demuslim out of those guys, would have been helpful. I also have a bit of a fetish for ChAncE, shame he's not here. Nope. tell that to oz ryung zenio and kiwi. illusion is actually the biggest wildcard in na Those are entirely different match ups, and Zenio's ZvT is quite frankly bad, at least compared to Idra. I think IdrA has a way higher chance of winning out in a BO5 series(Though I could see Illusion taking a cheese and/or a T favoured map in a macro game in BO3) Idra has lost way too much this year to be favoured against a player who just beat 3 code S players in one tournament. well its as much about the quality of the losses as the quantity of them... and IdrA has been getting a lot better almost beating bomber and jjaki Yeah, almost winning against two Koreans doesn't take away his absolutely dreadful performance at IEM, losing to the likes of Cloud, Real and Darkforce.
which really isn't fair to say because if you watch his games at IEM and his games at MLG and his games on stream, you can tell that he has gotten a lot better and has been diversifying his strategies... he's really begun to go much more infestor heavy of late against terran as opposed to his muta-style, partially overcome protoss phobias, and ZvZ is just moot in general
IdrA is IdrA though and he will still throw games and shit, but i honestly don't think he's playing close to as bad as he was at IEM
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On April 19 2012 08:49 Dexington wrote:Show nested quote +On April 19 2012 08:36 CeriseCherries wrote:On April 19 2012 08:31 Dexington wrote:On April 19 2012 08:08 Aocowns wrote:On April 18 2012 18:57 Gamegene wrote:On April 18 2012 18:33 KvltMan wrote:On April 18 2012 18:20 bbm wrote:
Not playing illusion? Illusion could have beaten idra and demuslim out of those guys, would have been helpful. I also have a bit of a fetish for ChAncE, shame he's not here. Nope. tell that to oz ryung zenio and kiwi. illusion is actually the biggest wildcard in na Those are entirely different match ups, and Zenio's ZvT is quite frankly bad, at least compared to Idra. I think IdrA has a way higher chance of winning out in a BO5 series(Though I could see Illusion taking a cheese and/or a T favoured map in a macro game in BO3) Idra has lost way too much this year to be favoured against a player who just beat 3 code S players in one tournament. well its as much about the quality of the losses as the quantity of them... and IdrA has been getting a lot better almost beating bomber and jjaki Yeah, almost winning against two Koreans doesn't take away his absolutely dreadful performance at IEM, losing to the likes of Cloud, Real and Darkforce.
Are you seriously calling Cloud, Real, and Darkforce bad?
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On April 19 2012 08:59 xrapture wrote:Show nested quote +On April 19 2012 08:49 Dexington wrote:On April 19 2012 08:36 CeriseCherries wrote:On April 19 2012 08:31 Dexington wrote:On April 19 2012 08:08 Aocowns wrote:On April 18 2012 18:57 Gamegene wrote:On April 18 2012 18:33 KvltMan wrote:On April 18 2012 18:20 bbm wrote:
Not playing illusion? Illusion could have beaten idra and demuslim out of those guys, would have been helpful. I also have a bit of a fetish for ChAncE, shame he's not here. Nope. tell that to oz ryung zenio and kiwi. illusion is actually the biggest wildcard in na Those are entirely different match ups, and Zenio's ZvT is quite frankly bad, at least compared to Idra. I think IdrA has a way higher chance of winning out in a BO5 series(Though I could see Illusion taking a cheese and/or a T favoured map in a macro game in BO3) Idra has lost way too much this year to be favoured against a player who just beat 3 code S players in one tournament. well its as much about the quality of the losses as the quantity of them... and IdrA has been getting a lot better almost beating bomber and jjaki Yeah, almost winning against two Koreans doesn't take away his absolutely dreadful performance at IEM, losing to the likes of Cloud, Real and Darkforce. Are you seriously calling Cloud, Real, and Darkforce bad?
No, no I'm not. I'm saying that while Illusion is beating Oz, Ryung and Zenio, Idra is losing to Cloud, Real and Darkforce. Surely you see the comparison.
Edit: The point being, saying Illusion has no chance against Idra is insane.
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Demuslim 1-2 to Vile, EG 2-0 or 2-1 in all other matchups I'd say.
Just watched a game of Demuslim's TvP on his stream.
It was depressing, he's great at macro, and doing the right things, just can't see to win though.
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g1: pure marine medivac just beats hawk's ling + roaches after effective banshee harass from puma...
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On April 19 2012 10:15 Falconblade wrote:
Demuslim 1-2 to Vile, EG 2-0 or 2-1 in all other matchups I'd say.
Just watched a game of Demuslim's TvP on his stream.
It was depressing, he's great at macro, and doing the right things, just can't see to win though.
I know, its really weird watching his TvP, its like he hits 200 supply, then suddenly all his units turn to crap.
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What a beautiful hold by PuMa
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I wish Spanishiwa was active again, I really want to see IdrA vs Spanishiwa in an actual tournament.
Hoping State beats DeMusliM, I love both of them, but I think State needs the win more.
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g2: puma makes banshees and hellions, hawk goes for roach-ling-bane bust and gets held off and puma's counter push wins
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On April 19 2012 10:42 Hulavuta wrote:
I wish Spanishiwa was active again, I really want to see IdrA vs Spanishiwa in an actual tournament.
Hoping State beats DeMusliM, I love both of them, but I think State needs the win more.
But you mod Demu's channel and today you saw how upset he was with TvP. I think Demu needs it more, but it wont happen.
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On April 19 2012 10:44 Falconblade wrote:Show nested quote +On April 19 2012 10:42 Hulavuta wrote:
I wish Spanishiwa was active again, I really want to see IdrA vs Spanishiwa in an actual tournament.
Hoping State beats DeMusliM, I love both of them, but I think State needs the win more. But you mod Demu's channel and today you saw how upset he was with TvP.
Well by "needs it more" I mean more like to make a name for himself. I think DeMusliM's a great guy and I agree he really needs a good TvP win, but what State needs is some big wins in general. Taking a series off of DeMusliM would be a great thing for him.
If it was vs any other person (except for SjoW) I would be cheering for DeMusliM of course. You also have to consider that these games were played way before today. He played this match a few days ago and today he is down about TvP. He KNOWS the result of the match and he feels down about TvP today. So it's not like when we find out if he won or not it will change anything. He already knows and it didn't change his outlook much.
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Someone tell djwheat and painuser to fix the damn volume. Djwheat's volume is fine but painuser sounds like he just busted through the front store screaming bloody murder.
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On April 19 2012 10:44 Falconblade wrote:Show nested quote +On April 19 2012 10:42 Hulavuta wrote:
I wish Spanishiwa was active again, I really want to see IdrA vs Spanishiwa in an actual tournament.
Hoping State beats DeMusliM, I love both of them, but I think State needs the win more. But you mod Demu's channel and today you saw how upset he was with TvP. I think Demu needs it more, but it wont happen.
Well keep in mind these games were played 1-2 weeks ago.. maybe telling about the result that he's so upset at tvp? x_x (I don't have any inside info, btw)
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Poor play by Idra. Really, scouting is how you win; he should be reading situations better than this.
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g1 Domorin goes a total 3 rax marauders 2 factory hellion allin with scv pull... man i hate that shit...
its not just idra's achilles heel, that shit is really fucking hard to hold cause if you gauge wrong how much allin he goes you wind up behind anyways and make too many roach and the marauders rape everything, make too much ling and the hellions make your shit evaporate
op is updated wrong... idra lost g1 not won
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My calls pre match were
Puma 2 - 0 Hawk
Idra 1 - 2 Domorin
Demu 1 - 2 State
JYP 2 - 0 Ddoro
Puma 2 - 0 Hawk
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On April 19 2012 11:01 DamageControL wrote:
Poor play by Idra. Really, scouting is how you win; he should be reading situations better than this.
His overlord got denied and domorin hid his buildings. It was too late for another overlord. :/
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On April 19 2012 11:05 ExcisionExecute wrote:Show nested quote +On April 19 2012 11:01 DamageControL wrote:
Poor play by Idra. Really, scouting is how you win; he should be reading situations better than this. His overlord got denied and domorin hid his buildings. It was too late for another overlord. :/
There was another Overlord right outside the natural, about 5 seconds away from scouting 2 tech lab rax. But he didn't use it.
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On April 19 2012 11:07 Dzerzhinsky wrote:Show nested quote +On April 19 2012 11:05 ExcisionExecute wrote:On April 19 2012 11:01 DamageControL wrote:
Poor play by Idra. Really, scouting is how you win; he should be reading situations better than this. His overlord got denied and domorin hid his buildings. It was too late for another overlord. :/ There was another Overlord right outside the natural, about 5 seconds away from scouting 2 tech lab rax. But he didn't use it.
+Ling scouts/drone scouts are good tools. One failed scout shouldn't be the end of your attempt to know what's going one.
edit: this is idra at his best. when his opponent doesn't disrupt his plans he's quite strong.
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vikings and ship weapons vs ultras :O
edit: nvm it was vehicle weapons ;p
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Lol IdrA, grow up.
Also, dah-more-in, PLEASE painuser.
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LMFAO idra trash talk so good
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Idra: youve had your fun
Idra: time to leave
Domorin: :O
Domorin: gg ^^
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On April 19 2012 11:19 Kodak wrote:
Lol IdrA, grow up.
Also, dah-more-in, PLEASE painuser.
yeah god forbid someone trash talks!
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Hm, when did Idra start being a dick about winning? I mean, he has always been a dick about losing, but this is new... Or maybe I just missed it before the Cruncher game in NASL
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On April 19 2012 11:19 Corrosive wrote:Show nested quote +On April 19 2012 11:19 Kodak wrote:
Lol IdrA, grow up.
Also, dah-more-in, PLEASE painuser. yeah god forbid someone trash talks!
Its funny, but in a tournament setting? No way is that good pro etiquette.
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On April 19 2012 11:21 RaE21 wrote:Show nested quote +On April 19 2012 11:19 Corrosive wrote:On April 19 2012 11:19 Kodak wrote:
Lol IdrA, grow up.
Also, dah-more-in, PLEASE painuser. yeah god forbid someone trash talks! Its funny, but in a tournament setting? No way is that good pro etiquette.
In their own tournament no less
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ok i have to ask... when people criticize bm, did they really not laugh at all?
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This is like a 10th grader picking on a 6th grader, bit too easy for my taste.
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On April 19 2012 11:21 bitter[KALT] wrote:
Hm, when did Idra start being a dick about winning? I mean, he has always been a dick about losing, but this is new... Or maybe I just missed it before the Cruncher game in NASL
Back then winning a game wasn't a special occasion for Idra.
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On April 19 2012 11:22 CeriseCherries wrote:
ok i have to ask... when people criticize bm, did they really not laugh at all?
I thought it was funny, but that's extremely short sighted. He's representing his team extremely poorly in a tournament setting, and their own tourney at that. I hesitate to say that the bm is permissable if he's their star player, but even still his recent results in no way justify his piss poor sportsmanship and attitude.
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Being a dick while (potentially, and in the case of vs Cruncher) 2-1ing people who haven't had a tenth the support and resources you have is a little embarrassing.
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On April 19 2012 11:26 Kodak wrote:Show nested quote +On April 19 2012 11:22 CeriseCherries wrote:
ok i have to ask... when people criticize bm, did they really not laugh at all? I thought it was funny, but that's extremely short sighted. He's representing his team extremely poorly in a tournament setting, and their own tourney at that. I hesitate to say it's permissable if he's their star player, but he's been playing terribly for quite a while now so he has no right to act like such a child.
Let's be honest here.
BM and rage quits are what Idra is famous for. EG hired him knowing it, EG promotes IdrA as a personality because of it...a lot of people watch Idra for comments like that.
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On April 19 2012 11:27 Severian wrote:
Being a dick while (potentially, and in the case of vs Cruncher) 2-1ing people who haven't had a tenth the support and resources you have is a little embarrassing.
IdrA just taking what he can get lately 
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On April 19 2012 11:26 Kodak wrote:Show nested quote +On April 19 2012 11:22 CeriseCherries wrote:
ok i have to ask... when people criticize bm, did they really not laugh at all? He's representing his team extremely poorly in a tournament setting, and their own tourney at that.
No he's not. EG knows exactly what he is: the most popular foreign player out there and it's exactly for shit like that.
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On April 19 2012 11:26 Kodak wrote:Show nested quote +On April 19 2012 11:22 CeriseCherries wrote:
ok i have to ask... when people criticize bm, did they really not laugh at all? I thought it was funny, but that's extremely short sighted. He's representing his team extremely poorly in a tournament setting, and their own tourney at that. I hesitate to say that the bm is permissable if he's their star player, but even still his recent results in no way justify his piss poor sportsmanship and attitude.
Oh come on, I can see you saying this for the Idra v Cruncher game in NASL, but what he said v Domorin wasn't bad at all.
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Meh, I didn't say what he said was bad, just that his overall lack of manner is poor sportsmanship. It used to be cool when Idra was winning games and would talk shit to worse players, but it's just turned into an absolute joke now.
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This Domorin guy is playing so badly.
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On April 19 2012 11:30 Chewbacca. wrote:Show nested quote +On April 19 2012 11:26 Kodak wrote:On April 19 2012 11:22 CeriseCherries wrote:
ok i have to ask... when people criticize bm, did they really not laugh at all? I thought it was funny, but that's extremely short sighted. He's representing his team extremely poorly in a tournament setting, and their own tourney at that. I hesitate to say that the bm is permissable if he's their star player, but even still his recent results in no way justify his piss poor sportsmanship and attitude. Oh come on, I can see you saying this for the Idra v Cruncher game in NASL, but what he said v Domorin wasn't bad at all.
Also, i don't understand why everyone wants all the players to be some perfect manner boring generic personality. There would be no meaningful rivalries because the "rivals" really wouldn't care about it at all. Plus its fun to see some personality sometimes.
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On April 19 2012 11:30 Chewbacca. wrote:Show nested quote +On April 19 2012 11:26 Kodak wrote:On April 19 2012 11:22 CeriseCherries wrote:
ok i have to ask... when people criticize bm, did they really not laugh at all? I thought it was funny, but that's extremely short sighted. He's representing his team extremely poorly in a tournament setting, and their own tourney at that. I hesitate to say that the bm is permissable if he's their star player, but even still his recent results in no way justify his piss poor sportsmanship and attitude. Oh come on, I can see you saying this for the Idra v Cruncher game in NASL, but what he said v Domorin wasn't bad at all.
The skill difference is about the same (well, the expected skill difference). That's what makes this amusing, IdrA is a full time progamer who got sent to Korea to train, him shittalking a semipro like Domorin is just amusing considering he took a game.
Edit: I mean amusing as in, it's funny how pathetic IdrA acts considering his form this year.
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On April 19 2012 11:33 Ruscour wrote:Show nested quote +On April 19 2012 11:30 Chewbacca. wrote:On April 19 2012 11:26 Kodak wrote:On April 19 2012 11:22 CeriseCherries wrote:
ok i have to ask... when people criticize bm, did they really not laugh at all? I thought it was funny, but that's extremely short sighted. He's representing his team extremely poorly in a tournament setting, and their own tourney at that. I hesitate to say that the bm is permissable if he's their star player, but even still his recent results in no way justify his piss poor sportsmanship and attitude. Oh come on, I can see you saying this for the Idra v Cruncher game in NASL, but what he said v Domorin wasn't bad at all. The skill difference is about the same (well, the expected skill difference). That's what makes this amusing, IdrA is a full time progamer who got sent to Korea to train, him shittalking a semipro like Domorin is just amusing considering he took a game. Edit: I mean amusing as in, it's funny how pathetic IdrA acts considering his form this year.
why would it be more ok to be bm if you're playing well? I don't understand this reasoning
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On April 19 2012 11:33 Ruscour wrote:Show nested quote +On April 19 2012 11:30 Chewbacca. wrote:On April 19 2012 11:26 Kodak wrote:On April 19 2012 11:22 CeriseCherries wrote:
ok i have to ask... when people criticize bm, did they really not laugh at all? I thought it was funny, but that's extremely short sighted. He's representing his team extremely poorly in a tournament setting, and their own tourney at that. I hesitate to say that the bm is permissable if he's their star player, but even still his recent results in no way justify his piss poor sportsmanship and attitude. Oh come on, I can see you saying this for the Idra v Cruncher game in NASL, but what he said v Domorin wasn't bad at all. The skill difference is about the same (well, the expected skill difference). That's what makes this amusing, IdrA is a full time progamer who got sent to Korea to train, him shittalking a semipro like Domorin is just amusing considering he took a game. Edit: I mean amusing as in, it's funny how pathetic IdrA acts considering his form this year.
So his recent struggles erase his long history of success?
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On April 19 2012 11:33 Ruscour wrote:Show nested quote +On April 19 2012 11:30 Chewbacca. wrote:On April 19 2012 11:26 Kodak wrote:On April 19 2012 11:22 CeriseCherries wrote:
ok i have to ask... when people criticize bm, did they really not laugh at all? I thought it was funny, but that's extremely short sighted. He's representing his team extremely poorly in a tournament setting, and their own tourney at that. I hesitate to say that the bm is permissable if he's their star player, but even still his recent results in no way justify his piss poor sportsmanship and attitude. Oh come on, I can see you saying this for the Idra v Cruncher game in NASL, but what he said v Domorin wasn't bad at all. The skill difference is about the same (well, the expected skill difference). That's what makes this amusing, IdrA is a full time progamer who got sent to Korea to train, him shittalking a semipro like Domorin is just amusing considering he took a game. Edit: I mean amusing as in, it's funny how pathetic IdrA acts considering his form this year.
did you watch the game or no? probably no?
domorin went all in the first game against idra and u think his good?
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Why does this get discussed every time IdrA plays a match? It's like people are discovering for the first time that he likes to speak his mind.
If you expect IdrA not to smack talk the cheesy unknown Terran after seeing him BM far bigger names, then I don't know what you're really expecting to see in his games.
Silliness.
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Hmm...anyone know when these games were casted? I'm trying to figure out if the EG crew played these with the flu.
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On April 19 2012 11:40 mambar wrote:Show nested quote +On April 19 2012 11:33 Ruscour wrote:On April 19 2012 11:30 Chewbacca. wrote:On April 19 2012 11:26 Kodak wrote:On April 19 2012 11:22 CeriseCherries wrote:
ok i have to ask... when people criticize bm, did they really not laugh at all? I thought it was funny, but that's extremely short sighted. He's representing his team extremely poorly in a tournament setting, and their own tourney at that. I hesitate to say that the bm is permissable if he's their star player, but even still his recent results in no way justify his piss poor sportsmanship and attitude. Oh come on, I can see you saying this for the Idra v Cruncher game in NASL, but what he said v Domorin wasn't bad at all. The skill difference is about the same (well, the expected skill difference). That's what makes this amusing, IdrA is a full time progamer who got sent to Korea to train, him shittalking a semipro like Domorin is just amusing considering he took a game. Edit: I mean amusing as in, it's funny how pathetic IdrA acts considering his form this year. So his recent struggles erase his long history of success?
Considering he's spent the last 5-6 months in a downward spiral, it's kind of expected for him to release all that pent-up frustration and anger in a game against an easier opponent.
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On April 19 2012 11:40 mambar wrote:Show nested quote +On April 19 2012 11:33 Ruscour wrote:On April 19 2012 11:30 Chewbacca. wrote:On April 19 2012 11:26 Kodak wrote:On April 19 2012 11:22 CeriseCherries wrote:
ok i have to ask... when people criticize bm, did they really not laugh at all? I thought it was funny, but that's extremely short sighted. He's representing his team extremely poorly in a tournament setting, and their own tourney at that. I hesitate to say that the bm is permissable if he's their star player, but even still his recent results in no way justify his piss poor sportsmanship and attitude. Oh come on, I can see you saying this for the Idra v Cruncher game in NASL, but what he said v Domorin wasn't bad at all. The skill difference is about the same (well, the expected skill difference). That's what makes this amusing, IdrA is a full time progamer who got sent to Korea to train, him shittalking a semipro like Domorin is just amusing considering he took a game. Edit: I mean amusing as in, it's funny how pathetic IdrA acts considering his form this year. So his recent struggles erase his long history of success?
Recent struggles are more important to judge a player's current skill level than this long history of success though. It doesn't erase it. It just means more.
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Demuslim might punish him. Like State's build though
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On April 19 2012 11:42 Enhancer_ wrote:
Why does this get discussed every time IdrA plays a match? It's like people are discovering for the first time that he likes to speak his mind.
If you expect IdrA not to smack talk the cheesy unknown Terran after seeing him BM far bigger names, then I don't know what you're really expecting to see in his games.
Silliness.
Idra has been quite manner lately in tournaments so I didn't expect him to make a fool out of himself like he did now and with the Cruncher incident last week.
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State going early 3 nexus; pretty cool.
It's too bad it got scouted.
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That was bad from State...
Jesus, beautiful timing and battle micro by Demuslim
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Ugh, throw away your advantage by getting 2 collosi sniped right away with no damage
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Really cool game focused solely around State's 3rd. Demuslim wearing down State now though. If he didn't lose those first two colossus. Really liked State's build though
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Demuslim's unit control that game was as good as State's was bad, which is quite the compliment because State's was horrendous.
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Great read by State, a shame he couldnt control his units.
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On April 19 2012 11:52 Slapshot wrote:Show nested quote +On April 19 2012 11:42 Enhancer_ wrote:
Why does this get discussed every time IdrA plays a match? It's like people are discovering for the first time that he likes to speak his mind.
If you expect IdrA not to smack talk the cheesy unknown Terran after seeing him BM far bigger names, then I don't know what you're really expecting to see in his games.
Silliness. Idra has been quite manner lately in tournaments so I didn't expect him to make a fool out of himself like he did now and with the Cruncher incident last week.
Idra: youve had your fun
Idra: time to leave
Making a fool out of himself for this? That's really pushing it. Honestly, this is such light BM, I would find it hard to be offended, especially coming from IdrA. I would have been disappointed if IdrA had not said anything to Cruncher last week. (Obviously, I could have done without the "fucker" part)
IdrA is a very emotional player. He would not be himself if he didn't let that show a bit. Obviously, EG seems fine with it if it doesn't cross the line (where that line is set is probably only known by IdrA and EG...)
All this talk convinces me that half of the people that watch IdrA dislike him and are just hoping he BMs or does something they find inappropriate to complain about it.
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On April 19 2012 12:12 Thrax wrote:
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Making a fool out of himself for this? That's really pushing it. Honestly, this is such light BM, I would find it hard to be offended, especially coming from IdrA. I would have been disappointed if IdrA had not said anything to Cruncher last week. (Obviously, I could have done without the "fucker" part)
IdrA is a very emotional player. He would not be himself if he didn't let that show a bit. Obviously, EG seems fine with it if it doesn't cross the line (where that line is set is probably only known by IdrA and EG...)
All this talk convinces me that half of the people that watch IdrA dislike him and are just hoping he BMs or does something they find inappropriate to complain about it.
It's not offending, just embarrassing. It's embarrassing in the same way it would be embarrassing when Barcelona players would verbally humiliate a small club like Salamanca after they just beat them. I would find it funny if he did this to MMA or MVP but not some unknown kid who he should beat easily or some guy who just went on a 7 month break. But that's just a matter of taste, you probably like it as half your posts are in the Idra fanclub.
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State gets up the three bases... then gets outmacroed hard regardless, gets storm late, gets no HTs up to pool energy, and then whiffs on the storm anyway x.x
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DeMuslim: Protoss don't like ghosts. Please make them next time in TvP. Especially against mass archons and high templar. You'll win
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No ghosts lost the game for Demuslim, those HTs and archons had a field day throughout the game.
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On April 19 2012 12:25 Slapshot wrote:Show nested quote +On April 19 2012 12:12 Thrax wrote:
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Making a fool out of himself for this? That's really pushing it. Honestly, this is such light BM, I would find it hard to be offended, especially coming from IdrA. I would have been disappointed if IdrA had not said anything to Cruncher last week. (Obviously, I could have done without the "fucker" part)
IdrA is a very emotional player. He would not be himself if he didn't let that show a bit. Obviously, EG seems fine with it if it doesn't cross the line (where that line is set is probably only known by IdrA and EG...)
All this talk convinces me that half of the people that watch IdrA dislike him and are just hoping he BMs or does something they find inappropriate to complain about it. It's not offending, just embarrassing. It's embarrassing in the same way it would be embarrassing when Barcelona players would verbally humiliate a small club like Salamanca after they just beat them. I would find it funny if he did this to MMA or MVP but not some unknown kid who he should beat easily or some guy who just went on a 7 month break. But that's just a matter of taste, you probably like it as half your posts are in the Idra fanclub.
People are still acting like Crucher never did anything to warrant the BM?
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On April 19 2012 12:12 Thrax wrote:
All this talk convinces me that half of the people that watch IdrA dislike him and are just hoping he BMs or does something they find inappropriate to complain about it.
this. why are people even surprised?
On April 19 2012 12:25 Slapshot wrote:
I would find it funny if he did this to MMA or MVP but not some unknown kid who he should beat easily or some guy who just went on a 7 month break.
I'm pretty sure its personal. (idra and cruncher grudge.)
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On April 19 2012 12:25 Slapshot wrote:Show nested quote +On April 19 2012 12:12 Thrax wrote:
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Making a fool out of himself for this? That's really pushing it. Honestly, this is such light BM, I would find it hard to be offended, especially coming from IdrA. I would have been disappointed if IdrA had not said anything to Cruncher last week. (Obviously, I could have done without the "fucker" part)
IdrA is a very emotional player. He would not be himself if he didn't let that show a bit. Obviously, EG seems fine with it if it doesn't cross the line (where that line is set is probably only known by IdrA and EG...)
All this talk convinces me that half of the people that watch IdrA dislike him and are just hoping he BMs or does something they find inappropriate to complain about it. It's not offending, just embarrassing. It's embarrassing in the same way it would be embarrassing when Barcelona players would verbally humiliate a small club like Salamanca after they just beat them. I would find it funny if he did this to MMA or MVP but not some unknown kid who he should beat easily or some guy who just went on a 7 month break. But that's just a matter of taste, you probably like it as half your posts are in the Idra fanclub.
This sums it up perfectly, great comparison.
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On April 19 2012 12:25 Slapshot wrote:Show nested quote +On April 19 2012 12:12 Thrax wrote:
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Making a fool out of himself for this? That's really pushing it. Honestly, this is such light BM, I would find it hard to be offended, especially coming from IdrA. I would have been disappointed if IdrA had not said anything to Cruncher last week. (Obviously, I could have done without the "fucker" part)
IdrA is a very emotional player. He would not be himself if he didn't let that show a bit. Obviously, EG seems fine with it if it doesn't cross the line (where that line is set is probably only known by IdrA and EG...)
All this talk convinces me that half of the people that watch IdrA dislike him and are just hoping he BMs or does something they find inappropriate to complain about it. It's not offending, just embarrassing. It's embarrassing in the same way it would be embarrassing when Barcelona players would verbally humiliate a small club like Salamanca after they just beat them. I would find it funny if he did this to MMA or MVP but not some unknown kid who he should beat easily or some guy who just went on a 7 month break. But that's just a matter of taste, you probably like it as half your posts are in the Idra fanclub.
Obviously I like IdrA, but I see his failures and I don't necessarily like all his actions (as mentioned in my previous post).
Don't assume that I like IdrA just because he "rages" and BMs. It sounds like we disagree on when BM is "ok/acceptable"(To me, BMing MVP would be stupid, not funny. IdrA seems to BM people who plays a style he dislikes. He doesn't have a tendency to BM opponents that he beats just because he beat them.) and whether this is verbally humiliating or not (I don't believe so). I don't find any value in arguing about this though. Good day, sir.
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On April 19 2012 12:37 mambar wrote:Show nested quote +On April 19 2012 12:25 Slapshot wrote:On April 19 2012 12:12 Thrax wrote:
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Making a fool out of himself for this? That's really pushing it. Honestly, this is such light BM, I would find it hard to be offended, especially coming from IdrA. I would have been disappointed if IdrA had not said anything to Cruncher last week. (Obviously, I could have done without the "fucker" part)
IdrA is a very emotional player. He would not be himself if he didn't let that show a bit. Obviously, EG seems fine with it if it doesn't cross the line (where that line is set is probably only known by IdrA and EG...)
All this talk convinces me that half of the people that watch IdrA dislike him and are just hoping he BMs or does something they find inappropriate to complain about it. It's not offending, just embarrassing. It's embarrassing in the same way it would be embarrassing when Barcelona players would verbally humiliate a small club like Salamanca after they just beat them. I would find it funny if he did this to MMA or MVP but not some unknown kid who he should beat easily or some guy who just went on a 7 month break. But that's just a matter of taste, you probably like it as half your posts are in the Idra fanclub. People are still acting like Crucher never did anything to warrant the BM?
This is pretty silly right now.
EDIT: This instance right now was silly, that is.
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Demu shows once again that his TvP is relatively weak. Slumpinnnnnnn'?
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On April 19 2012 12:50 sparklyresidue wrote:
Demu shows once again that his TvP is relatively weak. Slumpinnnnnnn'?
i wouldn't say slumping. He is just not the most consistent player.
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On April 19 2012 12:50 sparklyresidue wrote:
Demu shows once again that his TvP is relatively weak. Slumpinnnnnnn'?
Slumping? When he's said time and time again that he feels since last year that TvP is his weakest matchup?
BO win for JYP, Phoenix Immortal into expo beats blink expo all day every day
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Interesting first PvP game there... glad JYP came out on top ^^
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On April 19 2012 12:53 Whatson wrote:Show nested quote +On April 19 2012 12:50 sparklyresidue wrote:
Demu shows once again that his TvP is relatively weak. Slumpinnnnnnn'? Slumping? When he's said time and time again that he feels since last year that TvP is his weakest matchup? BO win for JYP, Phoenix Immortal into expo beats blink expo all day
Hardly a BO win. Actually, the complete opposite. It was about to be a BO win for Ddoro (dark templar > stargate) but JYP scouted and countered excellently.
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On April 19 2012 12:55 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:Show nested quote +On April 19 2012 12:53 Whatson wrote:On April 19 2012 12:50 sparklyresidue wrote:
Demu shows once again that his TvP is relatively weak. Slumpinnnnnnn'? Slumping? When he's said time and time again that he feels since last year that TvP is his weakest matchup? BO win for JYP, Phoenix Immortal into expo beats blink expo all day Hardly a BO win. Actually, the complete opposite. It was about to be a BO win for Ddoro (dark templar > stargate) but JYP scouted and countered excellently.
lol that's the strength of Phoenix play isn't it? you can completely scout your opponent...
ironically, the dark shrine actually made JYP produce obs and later immortals, if it was a normal Stargate expand from JYP, Ddoro could have still killed him with a blink all-in. I freaking love phoenix play.
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On April 19 2012 12:57 Whatson wrote:Show nested quote +On April 19 2012 12:55 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:On April 19 2012 12:53 Whatson wrote:On April 19 2012 12:50 sparklyresidue wrote:
Demu shows once again that his TvP is relatively weak. Slumpinnnnnnn'? Slumping? When he's said time and time again that he feels since last year that TvP is his weakest matchup? BO win for JYP, Phoenix Immortal into expo beats blink expo all day Hardly a BO win. Actually, the complete opposite. It was about to be a BO win for Ddoro (dark templar > stargate) but JYP scouted and countered excellently. lol that's the strength of Phoenix play isn't it? you can completely scout your opponent...
That's certainly not the only strength (but a strength, sure), but Ddoro played the final engagement poorly at JYP's natural. It came down a lot to the engagement, rather than blind build order. Don't forget that Ddoro never built an obs to scout, despite having a robo. Ddoro also had the faster expo.
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we all saw that arstosis-p coming from a mile away
ddoro two blunders in a row
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WP JYP 
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Congratulations EG!
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yay i finally predicted a score right :D gj EG!
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I guess EG got sick of losing their own tournament.
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I like Idra as a player and a personality,but he mostly looks like an ass when he belittles a fairly unknown player in a televised match.
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EPT
