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699 Posts
Thursday, Apr 19 1:00am GMT (GMT+00:00)
EU: Thursday, Apr 19 5:00pm GMT (GMT+00:00)
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Zenio 2-0 HwangSin
Puma 1-2 Stephano
BRAT_OK 1-2 TT1
Cloud 2-1 Nightend (???)
i think... could be wrong for last two totally
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Puma vs Stephano! Winner is basically guaranteed 1st in the group.
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Big game for Puma/Stephano today depending on whoever wants first
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i detest hwangsin and the entirety of it's gosu. zenio will roll as long as he doesn't die to dumb shit.
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Could you tell us in advance if Stephano played or not because he's on holiday and I expect a walkover, to be honest. Wouldn't be cool if people stayed up to watch it and the most anticipated match turns out to be a WO.
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zenio 2-0, puma 2-1 , TT1 2-1, nightend 2-1 cloud
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On April 18 2012 09:38 StarVe wrote:
Could you tell us in advance if Stephano played or not because he's on holiday and I expect a walkover, to be honest. Wouldn't be cool if people stayed up to watch it and the most anticipated match turns out to be a WO.
The games probably haven't been played yet. They're played within 24 hours of the broadcast.
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On April 18 2012 09:52 Dexington wrote:Show nested quote +On April 18 2012 09:38 StarVe wrote:
Could you tell us in advance if Stephano played or not because he's on holiday and I expect a walkover, to be honest. Wouldn't be cool if people stayed up to watch it and the most anticipated match turns out to be a WO. The games probably haven't been played yet. They're played within 24 hours of the broadcast.
Yeah, well if they haven't been played, they won't be shown tomorrow, because it's either been rescheduled or Puma will get a walkover.
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Well hopefully it does get played since it's probably one of the best matches in the division
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HwangSin 2-1 Zenio
PuMa 2-0 Stephano
TT1 2-1 Brat_OK
ClouD 2-0 NightEnD
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Zenio 2-0 HwangSin
Puma 0-2 Stephano
Brat_Ok 2-0 TT1
Cloud 2-1 Nightend
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On April 18 2012 09:55 StarVe wrote:Show nested quote +On April 18 2012 09:52 Dexington wrote:On April 18 2012 09:38 StarVe wrote:
Could you tell us in advance if Stephano played or not because he's on holiday and I expect a walkover, to be honest. Wouldn't be cool if people stayed up to watch it and the most anticipated match turns out to be a WO. The games probably haven't been played yet. They're played within 24 hours of the broadcast. Yeah, well if they haven't been played, they won't be shown tomorrow, because it's either been rescheduled or Puma will get a walkover.
I hope that he spoke with NASL last week that he would be in holiday during his second match, otherwise it will probably be a walkover.
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On April 18 2012 10:01 RPR_Tempest wrote:
HwangSin 2-1 Zenio
PuMa 2-0 Stephano
TT1 2-1 Brat_OK
ClouD 2-0 NightEnD
Disagree with every single one of these.
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Zenio 2-0 HwanSin
Stephano 2-1 PuMa
Brat_OK 2-0 TT1
ClouD 2-1 NightEnD
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Will stephano play today?Because he is on vacation according to his twitter.
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I hope Stephano played his games before he went on vacation, don't know how he's going to play his games otherwise from a ski resort, but you never know.
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if Stephano is truly on vacation and actually treating it like a vacation, then he'll tell NASL he won't be available for the match and not care that NASL gives the win to Puma
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Even if he told NASL he will be on vacation, NASL wont say he is gone until his match comes up. They did same thing last time to get more viewers.
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On April 19 2012 01:22 Ryps wrote:
Even if he told NASL he will be on vacation, NASL wont say he is gone until his match comes up. They did same thing last time to get more viewers.
Yeah, this is the dark side of NASL, they don't mind fucking with their viewers..
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Yep, Stephano vs Puma has not been played and won't be, at least this week.
You'll just have to wait for NASL to announce whether it's a walkover or a post-poned match.
And yes, they'll announce it only when they're already live to get more viewers to watch the stream
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On April 19 2012 01:48 Zealot Orgy wrote:
Yep, Stephano vs Puma has not been played and won't be, at least this week.
You'll just have to wait for NASL to announce whether it's a walkover or a post-poned match.
And yes, they'll announce it only when they're already live to get more viewers to watch the stream
And you got this information from...
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Just like everyone was saying xD. Oh well, thanks for telling us beforehand ;o.
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Zenio 2-0 Hwangsin
Stephano ?? PuMa
Brat_OK 2-0 TT1
ClouD 2-1 NightEnD
Honestly I have no idea on the stephano puma game, it will be a 2-1 victory but I have no idea who will win.
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On April 19 2012 01:45 m0ck wrote:Show nested quote +On April 19 2012 01:22 Ryps wrote:
Even if he told NASL he will be on vacation, NASL wont say he is gone until his match comes up. They did same thing last time to get more viewers. Yeah, this is the dark side of NASL, they don't mind fucking with their viewers..
o.O
That's not how we roll these days.
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On April 19 2012 06:15 Balgrog wrote:
Zenio 2-0 Hwangsin
Stephano ?? PuMa
Brat_OK 2-0 TT1
ClouD 2-1 NightEnD
Honestly I have no idea on the stephano puma game, it will be a 2-1 victory but I have no idea who will win.
There's no way in this world that NightEnd loses his game!!!!
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Thanks for announcing it kinda early, NASL. If you're able to, it would be great if you could do it even two or three hours earlier next time, that way it's much more convenient for EU viewers who might want to catch the original US broadcast.
Anyway, good luck with Season 3, looks great so far. It's not super professional and flashy yet, but it's steadily getting closer.
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On April 19 2012 06:46 Darkthorn wrote:Show nested quote +On April 19 2012 06:15 Balgrog wrote:
Zenio 2-0 Hwangsin
Stephano ?? PuMa
Brat_OK 2-0 TT1
ClouD 2-1 NightEnD
Honestly I have no idea on the stephano puma game, it will be a 2-1 victory but I have no idea who will win. There's no way in this world that NightEnd loses his game!!!!
Yeah, Cloud was pretty lacklustre against Mana last night. I expect Nightend to 2-0 him.
Zenio should beat HwangSin ezpz.
Brat_OK vs TT1 could be a toss up, but Brat_OK should be the favourite.
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On April 19 2012 06:33 MrBitter wrote:Show nested quote +On April 19 2012 01:45 m0ck wrote:On April 19 2012 01:22 Ryps wrote:
Even if he told NASL he will be on vacation, NASL wont say he is gone until his match comes up. They did same thing last time to get more viewers. Yeah, this is the dark side of NASL, they don't mind fucking with their viewers.. o.O That's not how we roll these days.
Well, I'm very glad to hear it, and it's nice to see that NASL is on top of everything (though I do consider it a change of policy). Onwards and upwards!
*and yeah, it would be nice if stephano would get over being a teenager..
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I predict:
Zenio 2-0 HwangSin (Zenio has pretty sick good ZvP)
Puma W-0 Stephano (Stephano had to miss a match eventually, haha, that's just how it works)
Brat_OK 2-0 TT1 (Sorry TT1)
NightEnD 2-0 ClouD (NightEnD has really good PvT and ClouD isn't really consistent with his TvP)
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Too bad the match couldn't be re-scheduled : (
(Stephano is on a 1 week ski vacation with his family.)
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On April 19 2012 01:45 m0ck wrote:Show nested quote +On April 19 2012 01:22 Ryps wrote:
Even if he told NASL he will be on vacation, NASL wont say he is gone until his match comes up. They did same thing last time to get more viewers. Yeah, this is the dark side of NASL, they don't mind fucking with their viewers..
Rude and completely incorrect. This type of situation is not the NASL's fault, it's Stephano's. They are not intentionally 'fucking with their viewers' and it's rude to say that they are.
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With 2-0 wins over Zenio and Stephano, Puma has basically got this division locked up. Potential NASL 3-time champion?
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On April 19 2012 07:26 rrwrwx wrote:Show nested quote +On April 19 2012 01:45 m0ck wrote:On April 19 2012 01:22 Ryps wrote:
Even if he told NASL he will be on vacation, NASL wont say he is gone until his match comes up. They did same thing last time to get more viewers. Yeah, this is the dark side of NASL, they don't mind fucking with their viewers.. Rude and completely incorrect. This type of situation is not the NASL's fault, it's Stephano's. They are not intentionally 'fucking with their viewers' and it's rude to say that they are.
Alright, I'll give context. NASL has a history of not informing about matches being postponed/cancelled until during broadcast, and, as the matches used to be cast from replays, this was presumably done in order not to lose viewers (some of whom would've not tuned in if aware that the-exciting-match-of-the-night would not be not happening). To paying customers (and most everyone else) this obviously felt like a slap in the face. I might have stated it rudely, but then shaming can be a good way of changing behavior.
In this particular case I agree with you, this is on stephano, not NASL. But, as people know of Stephano being on a skiing holiday, and thus unable to play the game, and as no news was released concerning the match that contradicted it being played, well, old wounds were reopened and people assumed the worst. Can't blame them, if nothing else it provoked a response from NASL and an apparent confirmation that that is a thing of the past. Good news for everyone, MrBitter will survive a few harsh words 
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On April 19 2012 07:10 Lasbike wrote:Too bad the match couldn't be re-scheduled : ( (Stephano is on a 1 week ski vacation with his family.)
Yeah, wanted to see it 
In unique and special cases, I think it's better to reschedule matches instead of FFing players.
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On April 19 2012 07:10 Lasbike wrote:Too bad the match couldn't be re-scheduled : ( (Stephano is on a 1 week ski vacation with his family.)
How about Stephano having the common decency to contact the tournament before his match to see if it could be rescheduled?
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Yes he (or a representative of his) should have contacted NASL. Everyone who follows his tweets knew he was on vacation since last Friday. At the time, I wondered what would happen with his scheduled NASL game this week.
What is the NASL policy on players being unavailable, but providing notice of this? Do NASL reschedule games during this phase of the tournament? Also do players who get a walkover win receive the full prize money for the win?
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The games are supposed to be played today and there is no way in hell he was gonna stop his vacations to play. Games cannot be rescheduled when they are played the day they are casted. For once, he had a good reason not to show. Plus it's not like he won't make it to 2nd place anyway (assuming PuMa takes 1st)
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dammit i was kinda looking forward to Puma v Stephano..
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The game that wasn't played that caused NASL to get that rap was HerO vs DeMusliM from last season. Also NASL isn't stupid, if you really seriously cant play at your match time, you can schedule it in advance I'm sure. Just a lack of responsibility from Stephano.
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On April 19 2012 08:33 revel8 wrote:
Yes he (or a representative of his) should have contacted NASL. Everyone who follows his tweets knew he was on vacation since last Friday. At the time, I wondered what would happen with his scheduled NASL game this week.
What is the NASL policy on players being unavailable, but providing notice of this? Do NASL reschedule games during this phase of the tournament? Also do players who get a walkover win receive the full prize money for the win?
Hiya,
Our policy is that we need at least 1 week of advance notice to arrange a reschedule. NASL games are always played either LIVE, or before the scheduled broadcast date - we never postpone games. If we allow exceptions to postpone games, we will end up having to grant everyone the same exceptions and we'll end up with a big backlog of postponed games, which is impossible with our format.
Stephano only notified us of being unable to play 3 days ago - and he said he was absolutely unable to play his match early. Players who receive walk over wins don't get prize money, and players who forfeit games are penalized (this is why we have a security deposit ... to discourage this type of behavior).
While it is unfortunate to see forfeits in the league, we do understand that it is impossible to avoid it when we have weekly matches in this kind of a format. I hope this answers your question 
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On April 19 2012 08:45 Xeris wrote:Show nested quote +On April 19 2012 08:33 revel8 wrote:
Yes he (or a representative of his) should have contacted NASL. Everyone who follows his tweets knew he was on vacation since last Friday. At the time, I wondered what would happen with his scheduled NASL game this week.
What is the NASL policy on players being unavailable, but providing notice of this? Do NASL reschedule games during this phase of the tournament? Also do players who get a walkover win receive the full prize money for the win? Hiya, Our policy is that we need at least 1 week of advance notice to arrange a reschedule. NASL games are always played either LIVE, or before the scheduled broadcast date - we never postpone games. If we allow exceptions to postpone games, we will end up having to grant everyone the same exceptions and we'll end up with a big backlog of postponed games, which is impossible with our format. Stephano only notified us of being unable to play 3 days ago - and he said he was absolutely unable to play his match early. Players who receive walk over wins don't get prize money, and players who forfeit games are penalized (this is why we have a security deposit ... to discourage this type of behavior). While it is unfortunate to see forfeits in the league, we do understand that it is impossible to avoid it when we have weekly matches in this kind of a format. I hope this answers your question
Thanks for the swift and detailed response! It is good to know NASL is listening.
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ugh, why do online tournaments even bother with Stephano anymore.
And people wonder why he has so many haters TT
Was looking forward to Puma vs Stephano all day.
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On April 19 2012 08:45 Xeris wrote:Show nested quote +On April 19 2012 08:33 revel8 wrote:
Yes he (or a representative of his) should have contacted NASL. Everyone who follows his tweets knew he was on vacation since last Friday. At the time, I wondered what would happen with his scheduled NASL game this week.
What is the NASL policy on players being unavailable, but providing notice of this? Do NASL reschedule games during this phase of the tournament? Also do players who get a walkover win receive the full prize money for the win? Hiya, Our policy is that we need at least 1 week of advance notice to arrange a reschedule. NASL games are always played either LIVE, or before the scheduled broadcast date - we never postpone games. If we allow exceptions to postpone games, we will end up having to grant everyone the same exceptions and we'll end up with a big backlog of postponed games, which is impossible with our format. Stephano only notified us of being unable to play 3 days ago - and he said he was absolutely unable to play his match early. Players who receive walk over wins don't get prize money, and players who forfeit games are penalized (this is why we have a security deposit ... to discourage this type of behavior). While it is unfortunate to see forfeits in the league, we do understand that it is impossible to avoid it when we have weekly matches in this kind of a format. I hope this answers your question
As a viewer, I think postponing a game is better than playing it early, because the former allows for a live experience while the latter denies it. I also think that you are able to make an exception for players who have unaddressable scheduling issues without setting a bad precedent. For example, come MLG weekend, what are you going to do about all the players who're flying out and competing in MLG? You're going to get a lot of FFs with this policy.
That said, for this FF, Stephano knew the rules, and not informing the organizers until three days before doesn't give time to maneuver.
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Seeker
Where dat snitch at?37043 Posts
First EG MCSL and now NASL? Stephano what up bro?
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On April 18 2012 09:38 StarVe wrote:
Could you tell us in advance if Stephano played or not because he's on holiday and I expect a walkover, to be honest. Wouldn't be cool if people stayed up to watch it and the most anticipated match turns out to be a WO.
Wow. Ama-zo-zing
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On April 19 2012 08:55 xrapture wrote:
ugh, why do online tournaments even bother with Stephano anymore.
And people wonder why he has so many haters TT
Was looking forward to Puma vs Stephano all day.
I am not Stephano's fan or something, but you people... Guy went to vacation with his FAMILY and bunch of you folks acting like he didn't play this match because he doesn't care or something.
I am sad you waited entire day for that particular match but he doesn't play for you, he doesn't own you anything and he obviously can go to skiing and shouldn't be "hated" for that.
(doesn't matter he didn't notice NASL earlier at least not for the point I am trying to make, his match wouldn't be played anyway.)
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On April 19 2012 09:27 whiterabbit wrote:Show nested quote +On April 19 2012 08:55 xrapture wrote:
ugh, why do online tournaments even bother with Stephano anymore.
And people wonder why he has so many haters TT
Was looking forward to Puma vs Stephano all day. I am not Stephano's fan or something, but you people... Guy went to vacation with his FAMILY and bunch of you folks acting like he didn't play this match because he doesn't care or something. (doesn't matter he didn't notice NASL earlier at least not for the point I am trying to make, his match wouldn't be played anyway.)
I don't care about that. But do you realize how many times he has not shown up to online tournaments.
Hell he even forfeited the finals of one tournament because he was "tired".
Almost any other pro would show more passion and gratitude for being allowed in a tournament than Stephano...
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On April 19 2012 09:30 xrapture wrote:Show nested quote +On April 19 2012 09:27 whiterabbit wrote:On April 19 2012 08:55 xrapture wrote:
ugh, why do online tournaments even bother with Stephano anymore.
And people wonder why he has so many haters TT
Was looking forward to Puma vs Stephano all day. I am not Stephano's fan or something, but you people... Guy went to vacation with his FAMILY and bunch of you folks acting like he didn't play this match because he doesn't care or something. (doesn't matter he didn't notice NASL earlier at least not for the point I am trying to make, his match wouldn't be played anyway.) I don't care about that. But do you realize how many times he has not shown up to online tournaments. Hell he even forfeited the finals of one tournament because he was "tired". Almost any other pro would show more passion and gratitude for being allowed in a tournament than Stephano...
He wasn't 'allowed' into the tournament. He qualified for it, by winning games in the qualifiers including knocking out 3 Koreans. Obviously it was regrettable that he failed to give sufficient notice to NASL regarding his vacation for this week but he earned the right to compete in NASL3, same as the other players.
No-one likes a no-show and yes Stephano has done this before. However other pros have also done this and no-one has bothered crying about it. Sheth and Dimaga also missed tournament games within the past month. Do they also lack 'passion and gratitude.' MC and Naniwa previously were unable to make their games in NASL due to scheduling and tiredness. Artosis was unable to play an NASL game due to moving house, his opponent got a walkover win. Does this mean Artosis lacks 'passion'? Sometimes things happen in life and you miss scheduled appointments.
The main problems about a no-show without notification is it leaves the tournament and the scheduled opponent waiting. Stephano DID notify NASL ahead of the match, not in the contractual time-frame to prevent an auto-loss, but it meant Puma was not left waiting up for a player and being stood up. NASL have notified us viewers so we also know that this tie will not be on tonight. It is hardly a repeat of Fenix or PainUser just not turning up for an NASL match. It is just someone being unable to fit in an NASL game due to a clash of schedules.
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On April 19 2012 08:57 Azarkon wrote:Show nested quote +On April 19 2012 08:45 Xeris wrote:On April 19 2012 08:33 revel8 wrote:
Yes he (or a representative of his) should have contacted NASL. Everyone who follows his tweets knew he was on vacation since last Friday. At the time, I wondered what would happen with his scheduled NASL game this week.
What is the NASL policy on players being unavailable, but providing notice of this? Do NASL reschedule games during this phase of the tournament? Also do players who get a walkover win receive the full prize money for the win? Hiya, Our policy is that we need at least 1 week of advance notice to arrange a reschedule. NASL games are always played either LIVE, or before the scheduled broadcast date - we never postpone games. If we allow exceptions to postpone games, we will end up having to grant everyone the same exceptions and we'll end up with a big backlog of postponed games, which is impossible with our format. Stephano only notified us of being unable to play 3 days ago - and he said he was absolutely unable to play his match early. Players who receive walk over wins don't get prize money, and players who forfeit games are penalized (this is why we have a security deposit ... to discourage this type of behavior). While it is unfortunate to see forfeits in the league, we do understand that it is impossible to avoid it when we have weekly matches in this kind of a format. I hope this answers your question As a viewer, I think postponing a game is better than playing it early, because the former allows for a live experience while the latter denies it. I also think that you are able to make an exception for players who have unaddressable scheduling issues without setting a bad precedent. For example, come MLG weekend, what are you going to do about all the players who're flying out and competing in MLG? You're going to get a lot of FFs with this policy. That said, for this FF, Stephano knew the rules, and not informing the organizers until three days before doesn't give time to maneuver.
When there are scheduling conflicts like this - we try to play games earlier in the week.
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On April 19 2012 08:45 Xeris wrote:Show nested quote +On April 19 2012 08:33 revel8 wrote:
Yes he (or a representative of his) should have contacted NASL. Everyone who follows his tweets knew he was on vacation since last Friday. At the time, I wondered what would happen with his scheduled NASL game this week.
What is the NASL policy on players being unavailable, but providing notice of this? Do NASL reschedule games during this phase of the tournament? Also do players who get a walkover win receive the full prize money for the win? Hiya, Our policy is that we need at least 1 week of advance notice to arrange a reschedule. NASL games are always played either LIVE, or before the scheduled broadcast date - we never postpone games. If we allow exceptions to postpone games, we will end up having to grant everyone the same exceptions and we'll end up with a big backlog of postponed games, which is impossible with our format. Stephano only notified us of being unable to play 3 days ago - and he said he was absolutely unable to play his match early. Players who receive walk over wins don't get prize money, and players who forfeit games are penalized (this is why we have a security deposit ... to discourage this type of behavior). While it is unfortunate to see forfeits in the league, we do understand that it is impossible to avoid it when we have weekly matches in this kind of a format. I hope this answers your question
Thanks for the update and what you've said about not being able to postpone games past the broadcast dates is definitely reasonable. I do wish that you had informed PuMa beforehand about Stephano forfeiting instead of making him wait though, especially considering the time this match was scheduled.
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Wow, decided 1 hour ago i'd stay up to watch Stephanos game and just now checked this thread. T_T
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On April 19 2012 10:09 Daray wrote:
Wow, decided 1 hour ago i'd stay up to watch Stephanos game and just now checked this thread. T_T
Yeah, unfortunate .
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I am sad But Still a 1-1 Stephy has a shot at making playoffs and I love PuMa at 2-0.
I will give predictions a shot.
2-1 Hwangsin > Zenio - PvZ is too crazy right now.
Brat_OK 2-1 TT1 - TT1 got owned by Stephano but I bet he isn't as bad as he seemed and gets a game
Cloud def Nightend 2-1
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Frodan predicted hwangsin over zenio...hmm dunno we'll see I guess.
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stephano was on vacation! i would say it's much deserved :D
at the same time i believe he didn't contact nasl like he was "supposed" to. but i don't think he really cares, he's won so much money already and that is truly what he is playing for, not for the fans and not for the tournament organizers.
nothing wrong with that in my opinion, love you stephano <3
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Zenio > HawngSin
BratOK > TT1
ClouD vs. NightEnd is a toss up imo because they're playing on god knows what server (ClouD is in EU and NightEnd is in KR, so...)
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Odd place to expand for zenio, interesting choice.
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wowwwww such a sickkkk hold by zenio
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Really nice game for Zenio, I don't think Hwangsin is going to win 2 in a row. Maybe that anti-prediction will cause my initial prediction to come true. 
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Stephano also plays for sking in the French Alps where the ladies must be freakin crazy gorge.
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Hwangsin really could've won easily if he just retreated and grabbed a third. He had more workers than Zenio.
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Dude I was just dancing to that fresh beat... wow NASL even improving musically!
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godamnit stephano y u always do this?!
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Stephano missed a tournament? I'm completely astonished at this one-time event. Sigh.
Thank you NASL for explaining all of the circumstances. I don't blame Stephano for going on vacation, but I do blame him for not being responsible enough for telling NASL about it until it was too late to do anything about it.
Typical Stephano immaturity. Just another notch on his belt.
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Bitterdamesque banter, i like!
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Bad waste of Zealots if that first push was the diversionary then it would have been much stronger.
Wow Zenio owned. :o
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Bit of a stomping, though Hwangsin should have taken the first game.
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I feel your anger Gretorp. My Chinese friend always insists I don't count as asian either. (I'm indian)
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So, what do we think? TT1 vs Brat-Ok.
tbh, after tt1 performance last time vs stephano, ill give this one to brat-ok
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Athene. I think I may love you.
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On April 19 2012 10:47 Adron wrote:
So, what do we think? TT1 vs Brat-Ok.
tbh, after tt1 performance last time vs stephano, ill give this one to brat-ok
TT1 did not really cope well with Stephano, but not many Protoss do these days. I am keen to see if he can bounce back and give Brat-Ok some problems.
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On April 19 2012 09:30 xrapture wrote:Show nested quote +On April 19 2012 09:27 whiterabbit wrote:On April 19 2012 08:55 xrapture wrote:
ugh, why do online tournaments even bother with Stephano anymore.
And people wonder why he has so many haters TT
Was looking forward to Puma vs Stephano all day. I am not Stephano's fan or something, but you people... Guy went to vacation with his FAMILY and bunch of you folks acting like he didn't play this match because he doesn't care or something. (doesn't matter he didn't notice NASL earlier at least not for the point I am trying to make, his match wouldn't be played anyway.) I don't care about that. But do you realize how many times he has not shown up to online tournaments. Hell he even forfeited the finals of one tournament because he was "tired". Almost any other pro would show more passion and gratitude for being allowed in a tournament than Stephano...
Your posts pretty much comes down to you not caring about anything but the entertainment he can give you, when he fails to do that you hate him.
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Bah. Stephano again. He's not giving a fuck when he really should be.
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On April 19 2012 10:52 BBMorti wrote:Show nested quote +On April 19 2012 09:30 xrapture wrote:On April 19 2012 09:27 whiterabbit wrote:On April 19 2012 08:55 xrapture wrote:
ugh, why do online tournaments even bother with Stephano anymore.
And people wonder why he has so many haters TT
Was looking forward to Puma vs Stephano all day. I am not Stephano's fan or something, but you people... Guy went to vacation with his FAMILY and bunch of you folks acting like he didn't play this match because he doesn't care or something. (doesn't matter he didn't notice NASL earlier at least not for the point I am trying to make, his match wouldn't be played anyway.) I don't care about that. But do you realize how many times he has not shown up to online tournaments. Hell he even forfeited the finals of one tournament because he was "tired". Almost any other pro would show more passion and gratitude for being allowed in a tournament than Stephano... Your posts pretty much comes down to you not caring about anything but the entertainment he can give you, when he fails to do that you hate him.
I would argue that his posts pretty much come down to Stephano not taking plenty of tournaments seriously, or their rules, or the fans that want to watch him play in the tournaments that he signs up for and then ignores (including Millenium's own tournament, which he didn't show up for after agreeing to play in, and is now temporarily banned from... how can you even ignore your own team's Pro Cup and let your team down countless times in both that tournament and other team tournaments x.x).
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Now theres a shocker, Stephano not showing up for scheduled matches. @_@
Amazing how nothing is ever done about this.
On April 19 2012 10:55 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:Show nested quote +On April 19 2012 10:52 BBMorti wrote:On April 19 2012 09:30 xrapture wrote:On April 19 2012 09:27 whiterabbit wrote:On April 19 2012 08:55 xrapture wrote:
ugh, why do online tournaments even bother with Stephano anymore.
And people wonder why he has so many haters TT
Was looking forward to Puma vs Stephano all day. I am not Stephano's fan or something, but you people... Guy went to vacation with his FAMILY and bunch of you folks acting like he didn't play this match because he doesn't care or something. (doesn't matter he didn't notice NASL earlier at least not for the point I am trying to make, his match wouldn't be played anyway.) I don't care about that. But do you realize how many times he has not shown up to online tournaments. Hell he even forfeited the finals of one tournament because he was "tired". Almost any other pro would show more passion and gratitude for being allowed in a tournament than Stephano... Your posts pretty much comes down to you not caring about anything but the entertainment he can give you, when he fails to do that you hate him. I would argue that his posts pretty much come down to Stephano not taking plenty of tournaments seriously, or their rules, or the fans that want to watch him play in the tournaments that he signs up for and then ignores (including Millenium's own tournament, which he didn't show up for after agreeing to play in, and is now temporarily banned from... how can you even ignore your own team's Pro Cup and let your team down countless times in both that tournament and other team tournaments x.x).
Oh didn't know his own team temp banned him from their own cup, glad someone finally has the balls to do something like that. Though still, some of the things that Stephano skips I feel need some sort of statement by him or his team.
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On April 19 2012 10:55 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:Show nested quote +On April 19 2012 10:52 BBMorti wrote:On April 19 2012 09:30 xrapture wrote:On April 19 2012 09:27 whiterabbit wrote:On April 19 2012 08:55 xrapture wrote:
ugh, why do online tournaments even bother with Stephano anymore.
And people wonder why he has so many haters TT
Was looking forward to Puma vs Stephano all day. I am not Stephano's fan or something, but you people... Guy went to vacation with his FAMILY and bunch of you folks acting like he didn't play this match because he doesn't care or something. (doesn't matter he didn't notice NASL earlier at least not for the point I am trying to make, his match wouldn't be played anyway.) I don't care about that. But do you realize how many times he has not shown up to online tournaments. Hell he even forfeited the finals of one tournament because he was "tired". Almost any other pro would show more passion and gratitude for being allowed in a tournament than Stephano... Your posts pretty much comes down to you not caring about anything but the entertainment he can give you, when he fails to do that you hate him. I would argue that his posts pretty much come down to Stephano not taking plenty of tournaments seriously, or their rules, or the fans that want to watch him play in the tournaments that he signs up for and then ignores (including Millenium's own tournament, which he didn't show up for after agreeing to play in, and is now temporarily banned from... how can you even ignore your own team's Pro Cup and let your team down countless times in both that tournament and other team tournaments x.x).
You argue poorly based on his two posts, in this thread, then. Imo
Bringing those things up when he is just on a skiing vacation with his family shows an egoistical attitude about him being inconvenienced because he could not watch Stephano play a match versus Puma for his entertainment. Since they hardly have much in common with this current situation (Stephano skiing) versus earlier situations (Stephano skipping games for less acceptable reasons) Except one thing, he didn't end up playing the match that this dude who hates him wanted to see.
Do you hate him, too? Or are you a bit more balanced in who end up in the box of people you feel justified to directly hate as a person?
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Any time I see Stephano's name in an online tournament like this I'm just going to assume there's at least a 50% chance he no shows. No excuses anymore, he does this more consistently than like any other player. It's super obnoxious to the fans really. I'm still a fan but really, I hate the idea that he's just using his success to get away with being highly unprofessional, it doesn't work like that. I hope Millenium isn't taking this so lightly.
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United Kingdom3249 Posts
I have no idea what Bratok is doing. I am mostly sitting here thinking 'what the actual fuck'.
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Ugh @ that march of death done by Brat_OK gross to watch a platoon of marines just kite 20 miles and just destroy so much
kinda feel like zealot charge should be baseline when I see that
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Stephano was to play the game while on holiday unless it is realized that internet suck and did so could inform only the first day of vacation. (I don't know if this version is true I read it on the millenium site).
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On April 19 2012 10:55 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:Show nested quote +On April 19 2012 10:52 BBMorti wrote:On April 19 2012 09:30 xrapture wrote:On April 19 2012 09:27 whiterabbit wrote:On April 19 2012 08:55 xrapture wrote:
ugh, why do online tournaments even bother with Stephano anymore.
And people wonder why he has so many haters TT
Was looking forward to Puma vs Stephano all day. I am not Stephano's fan or something, but you people... Guy went to vacation with his FAMILY and bunch of you folks acting like he didn't play this match because he doesn't care or something. (doesn't matter he didn't notice NASL earlier at least not for the point I am trying to make, his match wouldn't be played anyway.) I don't care about that. But do you realize how many times he has not shown up to online tournaments. Hell he even forfeited the finals of one tournament because he was "tired". Almost any other pro would show more passion and gratitude for being allowed in a tournament than Stephano... Your posts pretty much comes down to you not caring about anything but the entertainment he can give you, when he fails to do that you hate him. I would argue that his posts pretty much come down to Stephano not taking plenty of tournaments seriously, or their rules, or the fans that want to watch him play in the tournaments that he signs up for and then ignores (including Millenium's own tournament, which he didn't show up for after agreeing to play in, and is now temporarily banned from... how can you even ignore your own team's Pro Cup and let your team down countless times in both that tournament and other team tournaments x.x).
What has any of that got to do with Stephano not being able to play this game because he has a family vacation? Nothing.
The simple fact is that people take vacations. That happens. Other people can get inconvenienced from time to time because people are on vacation. Anyone who has worked a job knows this is true. That's just part of life. Hardly an issue worth getting your knickers in a twist.
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United Kingdom3249 Posts
Thanks Frodan. That conversation starter did not bode well. <3
Must admit Frodan and Gretorp quite frequently make me smile. Which is great.
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United States15275 Posts
That was random and almost worked. >_>
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On April 19 2012 11:01 BBMorti wrote:Show nested quote +On April 19 2012 10:55 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:On April 19 2012 10:52 BBMorti wrote:On April 19 2012 09:30 xrapture wrote:On April 19 2012 09:27 whiterabbit wrote:On April 19 2012 08:55 xrapture wrote:
ugh, why do online tournaments even bother with Stephano anymore.
And people wonder why he has so many haters TT
Was looking forward to Puma vs Stephano all day. I am not Stephano's fan or something, but you people... Guy went to vacation with his FAMILY and bunch of you folks acting like he didn't play this match because he doesn't care or something. (doesn't matter he didn't notice NASL earlier at least not for the point I am trying to make, his match wouldn't be played anyway.) I don't care about that. But do you realize how many times he has not shown up to online tournaments. Hell he even forfeited the finals of one tournament because he was "tired". Almost any other pro would show more passion and gratitude for being allowed in a tournament than Stephano... Your posts pretty much comes down to you not caring about anything but the entertainment he can give you, when he fails to do that you hate him. I would argue that his posts pretty much come down to Stephano not taking plenty of tournaments seriously, or their rules, or the fans that want to watch him play in the tournaments that he signs up for and then ignores (including Millenium's own tournament, which he didn't show up for after agreeing to play in, and is now temporarily banned from... how can you even ignore your own team's Pro Cup and let your team down countless times in both that tournament and other team tournaments x.x). You argue poorly based on his two posts, in this thread, then. Imo Bringing those things up when he is just on a skiing vacation with his family shows an egoistical attitude about him being inconvenienced because he could not watch Stephano play a match versus Puma for his entertainment. Since they hardly have much in common with this current situation (Stephano skiing) versus earlier situations (Stephano skipping games for less acceptable reasons) Except one thing, he didn't end up playing the match that this dude who hates him wanted to see. Do you hate him, too? Or are you a bit more balanced in who end up in the box of people you feel justified to directly hate as a person?
Considering you're assuming everyone who rolls his eyes at Stephano being a no-show... which is the norm... must hate him, it's a bit hypocritical to say anyone else is jumping to conclusions.
I have incredibly great respect for Stephano as a player. Amazingly talented. Possibly the best foreigner (or top three at least, not going to argue between Naniwa and others). However, he has not earned my respect as a person, because of his consistent immaturity and terrible decision-making. He's generally irresponsible and doesn't take tournaments seriously. I think he has a lot of growing up to do in general. That's my opinion, and it comes from a multitude of Stephano's controversies.
I don't hate him. That doesn't make sense. I don't know him personally.
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On April 19 2012 11:14 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:Show nested quote +On April 19 2012 11:01 BBMorti wrote:On April 19 2012 10:55 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:On April 19 2012 10:52 BBMorti wrote:On April 19 2012 09:30 xrapture wrote:On April 19 2012 09:27 whiterabbit wrote:On April 19 2012 08:55 xrapture wrote:
ugh, why do online tournaments even bother with Stephano anymore.
And people wonder why he has so many haters TT
Was looking forward to Puma vs Stephano all day. I am not Stephano's fan or something, but you people... Guy went to vacation with his FAMILY and bunch of you folks acting like he didn't play this match because he doesn't care or something. (doesn't matter he didn't notice NASL earlier at least not for the point I am trying to make, his match wouldn't be played anyway.) I don't care about that. But do you realize how many times he has not shown up to online tournaments. Hell he even forfeited the finals of one tournament because he was "tired". Almost any other pro would show more passion and gratitude for being allowed in a tournament than Stephano... Your posts pretty much comes down to you not caring about anything but the entertainment he can give you, when he fails to do that you hate him. I would argue that his posts pretty much come down to Stephano not taking plenty of tournaments seriously, or their rules, or the fans that want to watch him play in the tournaments that he signs up for and then ignores (including Millenium's own tournament, which he didn't show up for after agreeing to play in, and is now temporarily banned from... how can you even ignore your own team's Pro Cup and let your team down countless times in both that tournament and other team tournaments x.x). You argue poorly based on his two posts, in this thread, then. Imo Bringing those things up when he is just on a skiing vacation with his family shows an egoistical attitude about him being inconvenienced because he could not watch Stephano play a match versus Puma for his entertainment. Since they hardly have much in common with this current situation (Stephano skiing) versus earlier situations (Stephano skipping games for less acceptable reasons) Except one thing, he didn't end up playing the match that this dude who hates him wanted to see. Do you hate him, too? Or are you a bit more balanced in who end up in the box of people you feel justified to directly hate as a person? Considering you're assuming everyone who rolls his eyes at Stephano being a no-show... which is the norm... must hate him, it's a bit hypocritical to say anyone else is jumping to conclusions. I have incredibly great respect for Stephano as a player. Amazingly talented. Possibly the best foreigner (or top three at least, not going to argue between Naniwa and others). However, he has not earned my respect as a person, because of his consistent immaturity and terrible decision-making. He's generally irresponsible and doesn't take tournaments seriously. I think he has a lot of growing up to do in general. That's my opinion, and it comes from a multitude of Stephano's controversies.
Stephano took a vacation and so could not play this game. Some people make it sound like a crime. You want his family to postpone their family vacation for another 2 months when NASL is finished? How exactly does that fit in to the ski-season? You think there will be much ski-ing to be done in June?
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BRATOK should have realized that TT1 building a third is a trap
TT1 never builds a third
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Well done by TT1 that game
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sigh TT1 with the great 2 base. hurrdurr
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On April 19 2012 11:14 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:Show nested quote +On April 19 2012 11:01 BBMorti wrote:On April 19 2012 10:55 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:On April 19 2012 10:52 BBMorti wrote:On April 19 2012 09:30 xrapture wrote:On April 19 2012 09:27 whiterabbit wrote:On April 19 2012 08:55 xrapture wrote:
ugh, why do online tournaments even bother with Stephano anymore.
And people wonder why he has so many haters TT
Was looking forward to Puma vs Stephano all day. I am not Stephano's fan or something, but you people... Guy went to vacation with his FAMILY and bunch of you folks acting like he didn't play this match because he doesn't care or something. (doesn't matter he didn't notice NASL earlier at least not for the point I am trying to make, his match wouldn't be played anyway.) I don't care about that. But do you realize how many times he has not shown up to online tournaments. Hell he even forfeited the finals of one tournament because he was "tired". Almost any other pro would show more passion and gratitude for being allowed in a tournament than Stephano... Your posts pretty much comes down to you not caring about anything but the entertainment he can give you, when he fails to do that you hate him. I would argue that his posts pretty much come down to Stephano not taking plenty of tournaments seriously, or their rules, or the fans that want to watch him play in the tournaments that he signs up for and then ignores (including Millenium's own tournament, which he didn't show up for after agreeing to play in, and is now temporarily banned from... how can you even ignore your own team's Pro Cup and let your team down countless times in both that tournament and other team tournaments x.x). You argue poorly based on his two posts, in this thread, then. Imo Bringing those things up when he is just on a skiing vacation with his family shows an egoistical attitude about him being inconvenienced because he could not watch Stephano play a match versus Puma for his entertainment. Since they hardly have much in common with this current situation (Stephano skiing) versus earlier situations (Stephano skipping games for less acceptable reasons) Except one thing, he didn't end up playing the match that this dude who hates him wanted to see. Do you hate him, too? Or are you a bit more balanced in who end up in the box of people you feel justified to directly hate as a person? Considering you're assuming everyone who rolls his eyes at Stephano being a no-show... which is the norm... must hate him, it's a bit hypocritical to say anyone else is jumping to conclusions. I have incredibly great respect for Stephano as a player. Amazingly talented. Possibly the best foreigner (or top three at least, not going to argue between Naniwa and others). However, he has not earned my respect as a person, because of his consistent immaturity and terrible decision-making. He's generally irresponsible and doesn't take tournaments seriously. I think he has a lot of growing up to do in general. That's my opinion, and it comes from a multitude of Stephano's controversies. I don't hate him. That doesn't make sense. I don't know him personally.
I didn't say you hate him, I asked you if you also, do. But I am glad you are clear minded enough to see that it indeed does not make sense to decide to hate a person based on him not showing up to play a match.
To bring up reasons to point out how you find him immature, irresponsible and "it is the norm he is a no-show" <-- statements like this. That, is the type of thing that does not demand respect for someone's person. If you ask me.
You decided to foam at the mouth for no logical reason, at Stephano, the eagerness to do so is what can be telling.
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Loved that rap and the rick astley joke.
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On April 19 2012 11:17 revel8 wrote:Show nested quote +On April 19 2012 11:14 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:On April 19 2012 11:01 BBMorti wrote:On April 19 2012 10:55 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:On April 19 2012 10:52 BBMorti wrote:On April 19 2012 09:30 xrapture wrote:On April 19 2012 09:27 whiterabbit wrote:On April 19 2012 08:55 xrapture wrote:
ugh, why do online tournaments even bother with Stephano anymore.
And people wonder why he has so many haters TT
Was looking forward to Puma vs Stephano all day. I am not Stephano's fan or something, but you people... Guy went to vacation with his FAMILY and bunch of you folks acting like he didn't play this match because he doesn't care or something. (doesn't matter he didn't notice NASL earlier at least not for the point I am trying to make, his match wouldn't be played anyway.) I don't care about that. But do you realize how many times he has not shown up to online tournaments. Hell he even forfeited the finals of one tournament because he was "tired". Almost any other pro would show more passion and gratitude for being allowed in a tournament than Stephano... Your posts pretty much comes down to you not caring about anything but the entertainment he can give you, when he fails to do that you hate him. I would argue that his posts pretty much come down to Stephano not taking plenty of tournaments seriously, or their rules, or the fans that want to watch him play in the tournaments that he signs up for and then ignores (including Millenium's own tournament, which he didn't show up for after agreeing to play in, and is now temporarily banned from... how can you even ignore your own team's Pro Cup and let your team down countless times in both that tournament and other team tournaments x.x). You argue poorly based on his two posts, in this thread, then. Imo Bringing those things up when he is just on a skiing vacation with his family shows an egoistical attitude about him being inconvenienced because he could not watch Stephano play a match versus Puma for his entertainment. Since they hardly have much in common with this current situation (Stephano skiing) versus earlier situations (Stephano skipping games for less acceptable reasons) Except one thing, he didn't end up playing the match that this dude who hates him wanted to see. Do you hate him, too? Or are you a bit more balanced in who end up in the box of people you feel justified to directly hate as a person? Considering you're assuming everyone who rolls his eyes at Stephano being a no-show... which is the norm... must hate him, it's a bit hypocritical to say anyone else is jumping to conclusions. I have incredibly great respect for Stephano as a player. Amazingly talented. Possibly the best foreigner (or top three at least, not going to argue between Naniwa and others). However, he has not earned my respect as a person, because of his consistent immaturity and terrible decision-making. He's generally irresponsible and doesn't take tournaments seriously. I think he has a lot of growing up to do in general. That's my opinion, and it comes from a multitude of Stephano's controversies. Stephano took a vacation and so could not play this game. Some people make it sound like a crime. You want his family to postpone their family vacation for another 2 months? How exactly does that fit in to the ski-season?
I don't think anyone said it's a crime, but I only read through the entire thread once.
However, Xeris did note that if a player can't play in a match, NASL needs to be notified a week in advance to set up the new match (and he gave great justification for this protocol), and Stephano didn't abide by the rules (and Stephano very commonly ignores the rules whenever he leaves a tournament, regardless of how innocent the rationale ends up being).
A lot of us are just upset that Stephano didn't make an effort to try and set up a new time to play with Puma. That's just pretty much it. We feel let down. It's certainly not a crime, but it seems that he's not that serious about the tournament.
And, for the record, I'm sure he knew about his family vacation more than a week in advance.
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On April 19 2012 11:24 BBMorti wrote:Show nested quote +On April 19 2012 11:14 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:On April 19 2012 11:01 BBMorti wrote:On April 19 2012 10:55 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:On April 19 2012 10:52 BBMorti wrote:On April 19 2012 09:30 xrapture wrote:On April 19 2012 09:27 whiterabbit wrote:On April 19 2012 08:55 xrapture wrote:
ugh, why do online tournaments even bother with Stephano anymore.
And people wonder why he has so many haters TT
Was looking forward to Puma vs Stephano all day. I am not Stephano's fan or something, but you people... Guy went to vacation with his FAMILY and bunch of you folks acting like he didn't play this match because he doesn't care or something. (doesn't matter he didn't notice NASL earlier at least not for the point I am trying to make, his match wouldn't be played anyway.) I don't care about that. But do you realize how many times he has not shown up to online tournaments. Hell he even forfeited the finals of one tournament because he was "tired". Almost any other pro would show more passion and gratitude for being allowed in a tournament than Stephano... Your posts pretty much comes down to you not caring about anything but the entertainment he can give you, when he fails to do that you hate him. I would argue that his posts pretty much come down to Stephano not taking plenty of tournaments seriously, or their rules, or the fans that want to watch him play in the tournaments that he signs up for and then ignores (including Millenium's own tournament, which he didn't show up for after agreeing to play in, and is now temporarily banned from... how can you even ignore your own team's Pro Cup and let your team down countless times in both that tournament and other team tournaments x.x). You argue poorly based on his two posts, in this thread, then. Imo Bringing those things up when he is just on a skiing vacation with his family shows an egoistical attitude about him being inconvenienced because he could not watch Stephano play a match versus Puma for his entertainment. Since they hardly have much in common with this current situation (Stephano skiing) versus earlier situations (Stephano skipping games for less acceptable reasons) Except one thing, he didn't end up playing the match that this dude who hates him wanted to see. Do you hate him, too? Or are you a bit more balanced in who end up in the box of people you feel justified to directly hate as a person? Considering you're assuming everyone who rolls his eyes at Stephano being a no-show... which is the norm... must hate him, it's a bit hypocritical to say anyone else is jumping to conclusions. I have incredibly great respect for Stephano as a player. Amazingly talented. Possibly the best foreigner (or top three at least, not going to argue between Naniwa and others). However, he has not earned my respect as a person, because of his consistent immaturity and terrible decision-making. He's generally irresponsible and doesn't take tournaments seriously. I think he has a lot of growing up to do in general. That's my opinion, and it comes from a multitude of Stephano's controversies. I don't hate him. That doesn't make sense. I don't know him personally. I didn't say you hate him, I asked you if you also, do. But I am glad you are clear minded enough to see that it indeed does not make sense to decide to hate a person based on him not showing up to play a match. To bring up reasons to point out how you find him immature, irresponsible and "it is the norm he is a no-show" <-- statements like this. That, is the type of thing that does not demand respect for someone's person. If you ask me. You decided to foam at the mouth for no logical reason, at Stephano, the eagerness to do so is what can be telling.
So justifying an opinion with evidence is... illogical? o.O ::head explodes::
Double signing contracts, playing in simultaneous tournaments and then quitting, leaving countless tournaments (including Millenium's), etc.
These aren't good reasons to not care for a person's character? Have you not followed these Stephano problems?
All right, well suit yourself. I'm not going to talk about this anymore and muck up the thread. He's not even a part of tonight's games.
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On April 19 2012 11:17 revel8 wrote:Show nested quote +On April 19 2012 11:14 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:On April 19 2012 11:01 BBMorti wrote:On April 19 2012 10:55 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:On April 19 2012 10:52 BBMorti wrote:On April 19 2012 09:30 xrapture wrote:On April 19 2012 09:27 whiterabbit wrote:On April 19 2012 08:55 xrapture wrote:
ugh, why do online tournaments even bother with Stephano anymore.
And people wonder why he has so many haters TT
Was looking forward to Puma vs Stephano all day. I am not Stephano's fan or something, but you people... Guy went to vacation with his FAMILY and bunch of you folks acting like he didn't play this match because he doesn't care or something. (doesn't matter he didn't notice NASL earlier at least not for the point I am trying to make, his match wouldn't be played anyway.) I don't care about that. But do you realize how many times he has not shown up to online tournaments. Hell he even forfeited the finals of one tournament because he was "tired". Almost any other pro would show more passion and gratitude for being allowed in a tournament than Stephano... Your posts pretty much comes down to you not caring about anything but the entertainment he can give you, when he fails to do that you hate him. I would argue that his posts pretty much come down to Stephano not taking plenty of tournaments seriously, or their rules, or the fans that want to watch him play in the tournaments that he signs up for and then ignores (including Millenium's own tournament, which he didn't show up for after agreeing to play in, and is now temporarily banned from... how can you even ignore your own team's Pro Cup and let your team down countless times in both that tournament and other team tournaments x.x). You argue poorly based on his two posts, in this thread, then. Imo Bringing those things up when he is just on a skiing vacation with his family shows an egoistical attitude about him being inconvenienced because he could not watch Stephano play a match versus Puma for his entertainment. Since they hardly have much in common with this current situation (Stephano skiing) versus earlier situations (Stephano skipping games for less acceptable reasons) Except one thing, he didn't end up playing the match that this dude who hates him wanted to see. Do you hate him, too? Or are you a bit more balanced in who end up in the box of people you feel justified to directly hate as a person? Considering you're assuming everyone who rolls his eyes at Stephano being a no-show... which is the norm... must hate him, it's a bit hypocritical to say anyone else is jumping to conclusions. I have incredibly great respect for Stephano as a player. Amazingly talented. Possibly the best foreigner (or top three at least, not going to argue between Naniwa and others). However, he has not earned my respect as a person, because of his consistent immaturity and terrible decision-making. He's generally irresponsible and doesn't take tournaments seriously. I think he has a lot of growing up to do in general. That's my opinion, and it comes from a multitude of Stephano's controversies. Stephano took a vacation and so could not play this game. Some people make it sound like a crime. You want his family to postpone their family vacation for another 2 months when NASL is finished? How exactly does that fit in to the ski-season? You think there will be much ski-ing to be done in June?
This isn't about Stephano taking a vacation, it's about his history of blowing off tournaments. This is just the most recent one where he gave NASL little to no notice until a walkover was unavoidable.
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On April 19 2012 11:31 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:Show nested quote +On April 19 2012 11:24 BBMorti wrote:On April 19 2012 11:14 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:On April 19 2012 11:01 BBMorti wrote:On April 19 2012 10:55 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:On April 19 2012 10:52 BBMorti wrote:On April 19 2012 09:30 xrapture wrote:On April 19 2012 09:27 whiterabbit wrote:On April 19 2012 08:55 xrapture wrote:
ugh, why do online tournaments even bother with Stephano anymore.
And people wonder why he has so many haters TT
Was looking forward to Puma vs Stephano all day. I am not Stephano's fan or something, but you people... Guy went to vacation with his FAMILY and bunch of you folks acting like he didn't play this match because he doesn't care or something. (doesn't matter he didn't notice NASL earlier at least not for the point I am trying to make, his match wouldn't be played anyway.) I don't care about that. But do you realize how many times he has not shown up to online tournaments. Hell he even forfeited the finals of one tournament because he was "tired". Almost any other pro would show more passion and gratitude for being allowed in a tournament than Stephano... Your posts pretty much comes down to you not caring about anything but the entertainment he can give you, when he fails to do that you hate him. I would argue that his posts pretty much come down to Stephano not taking plenty of tournaments seriously, or their rules, or the fans that want to watch him play in the tournaments that he signs up for and then ignores (including Millenium's own tournament, which he didn't show up for after agreeing to play in, and is now temporarily banned from... how can you even ignore your own team's Pro Cup and let your team down countless times in both that tournament and other team tournaments x.x). You argue poorly based on his two posts, in this thread, then. Imo Bringing those things up when he is just on a skiing vacation with his family shows an egoistical attitude about him being inconvenienced because he could not watch Stephano play a match versus Puma for his entertainment. Since they hardly have much in common with this current situation (Stephano skiing) versus earlier situations (Stephano skipping games for less acceptable reasons) Except one thing, he didn't end up playing the match that this dude who hates him wanted to see. Do you hate him, too? Or are you a bit more balanced in who end up in the box of people you feel justified to directly hate as a person? Considering you're assuming everyone who rolls his eyes at Stephano being a no-show... which is the norm... must hate him, it's a bit hypocritical to say anyone else is jumping to conclusions. I have incredibly great respect for Stephano as a player. Amazingly talented. Possibly the best foreigner (or top three at least, not going to argue between Naniwa and others). However, he has not earned my respect as a person, because of his consistent immaturity and terrible decision-making. He's generally irresponsible and doesn't take tournaments seriously. I think he has a lot of growing up to do in general. That's my opinion, and it comes from a multitude of Stephano's controversies. I don't hate him. That doesn't make sense. I don't know him personally. I didn't say you hate him, I asked you if you also, do. But I am glad you are clear minded enough to see that it indeed does not make sense to decide to hate a person based on him not showing up to play a match. To bring up reasons to point out how you find him immature, irresponsible and "it is the norm he is a no-show" <-- statements like this. That, is the type of thing that does not demand respect for someone's person. If you ask me. You decided to foam at the mouth for no logical reason, at Stephano, the eagerness to do so is what can be telling. So justifying an opinion with evidence is... illogical? o.O ::head explodes:: Double signing contracts, playing in simultaneous tournaments and then quitting, leaving countless tournaments (including Millenium's), etc. These aren't good reasons to not care for a person's character? Have you not followed these Stephano problems? All right, well suit yourself. I'm not going to talk about this anymore and muck up the thread. He's not even a part of tonight's games.
No, foaming about those issues, because he did not play a bo3 today, because he is skiing with his family, is what is telling about you.
I don't think I can make it clearer, you saw apples and started to spew at him about oranges.
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bratok is playing so fucking weird. really makes me mad because i want him to win lol
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Well done TT1
On three bases too ^^
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On April 19 2012 11:36 BBMorti wrote:Show nested quote +On April 19 2012 11:31 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:On April 19 2012 11:24 BBMorti wrote:On April 19 2012 11:14 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:On April 19 2012 11:01 BBMorti wrote:On April 19 2012 10:55 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:On April 19 2012 10:52 BBMorti wrote:On April 19 2012 09:30 xrapture wrote:On April 19 2012 09:27 whiterabbit wrote:On April 19 2012 08:55 xrapture wrote:
ugh, why do online tournaments even bother with Stephano anymore.
And people wonder why he has so many haters TT
Was looking forward to Puma vs Stephano all day. I am not Stephano's fan or something, but you people... Guy went to vacation with his FAMILY and bunch of you folks acting like he didn't play this match because he doesn't care or something. (doesn't matter he didn't notice NASL earlier at least not for the point I am trying to make, his match wouldn't be played anyway.) I don't care about that. But do you realize how many times he has not shown up to online tournaments. Hell he even forfeited the finals of one tournament because he was "tired". Almost any other pro would show more passion and gratitude for being allowed in a tournament than Stephano... Your posts pretty much comes down to you not caring about anything but the entertainment he can give you, when he fails to do that you hate him. I would argue that his posts pretty much come down to Stephano not taking plenty of tournaments seriously, or their rules, or the fans that want to watch him play in the tournaments that he signs up for and then ignores (including Millenium's own tournament, which he didn't show up for after agreeing to play in, and is now temporarily banned from... how can you even ignore your own team's Pro Cup and let your team down countless times in both that tournament and other team tournaments x.x). You argue poorly based on his two posts, in this thread, then. Imo Bringing those things up when he is just on a skiing vacation with his family shows an egoistical attitude about him being inconvenienced because he could not watch Stephano play a match versus Puma for his entertainment. Since they hardly have much in common with this current situation (Stephano skiing) versus earlier situations (Stephano skipping games for less acceptable reasons) Except one thing, he didn't end up playing the match that this dude who hates him wanted to see. Do you hate him, too? Or are you a bit more balanced in who end up in the box of people you feel justified to directly hate as a person? Considering you're assuming everyone who rolls his eyes at Stephano being a no-show... which is the norm... must hate him, it's a bit hypocritical to say anyone else is jumping to conclusions. I have incredibly great respect for Stephano as a player. Amazingly talented. Possibly the best foreigner (or top three at least, not going to argue between Naniwa and others). However, he has not earned my respect as a person, because of his consistent immaturity and terrible decision-making. He's generally irresponsible and doesn't take tournaments seriously. I think he has a lot of growing up to do in general. That's my opinion, and it comes from a multitude of Stephano's controversies. I don't hate him. That doesn't make sense. I don't know him personally. I didn't say you hate him, I asked you if you also, do. But I am glad you are clear minded enough to see that it indeed does not make sense to decide to hate a person based on him not showing up to play a match. To bring up reasons to point out how you find him immature, irresponsible and "it is the norm he is a no-show" <-- statements like this. That, is the type of thing that does not demand respect for someone's person. If you ask me. You decided to foam at the mouth for no logical reason, at Stephano, the eagerness to do so is what can be telling. So justifying an opinion with evidence is... illogical? o.O ::head explodes:: Double signing contracts, playing in simultaneous tournaments and then quitting, leaving countless tournaments (including Millenium's), etc. These aren't good reasons to not care for a person's character? Have you not followed these Stephano problems? All right, well suit yourself. I'm not going to talk about this anymore and muck up the thread. He's not even a part of tonight's games. No, foaming about those issues, because he did not play a bo3 today, because he is skiing with his family, is what is telling about you. I don't think I can make it clearer, you saw apples and started to spew at him about oranges.
Starcraft is his job. If you are working a job, you don't simply go on vacation without giving anyone proper notice.
Thats all there is to it, if you cannot understand that then I suggest you don't post anymore on matters such as these.
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That was a pretty funny interview.
"Are you going to pick me against Puma?"
"Ok, well thank you TT1"
Followed by hysterical laughter from TT1 lol
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On April 19 2012 11:26 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:Show nested quote +On April 19 2012 11:17 revel8 wrote:On April 19 2012 11:14 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:On April 19 2012 11:01 BBMorti wrote:On April 19 2012 10:55 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:On April 19 2012 10:52 BBMorti wrote:On April 19 2012 09:30 xrapture wrote:On April 19 2012 09:27 whiterabbit wrote:On April 19 2012 08:55 xrapture wrote:
ugh, why do online tournaments even bother with Stephano anymore.
And people wonder why he has so many haters TT
Was looking forward to Puma vs Stephano all day. I am not Stephano's fan or something, but you people... Guy went to vacation with his FAMILY and bunch of you folks acting like he didn't play this match because he doesn't care or something. (doesn't matter he didn't notice NASL earlier at least not for the point I am trying to make, his match wouldn't be played anyway.) I don't care about that. But do you realize how many times he has not shown up to online tournaments. Hell he even forfeited the finals of one tournament because he was "tired". Almost any other pro would show more passion and gratitude for being allowed in a tournament than Stephano... Your posts pretty much comes down to you not caring about anything but the entertainment he can give you, when he fails to do that you hate him. I would argue that his posts pretty much come down to Stephano not taking plenty of tournaments seriously, or their rules, or the fans that want to watch him play in the tournaments that he signs up for and then ignores (including Millenium's own tournament, which he didn't show up for after agreeing to play in, and is now temporarily banned from... how can you even ignore your own team's Pro Cup and let your team down countless times in both that tournament and other team tournaments x.x). You argue poorly based on his two posts, in this thread, then. Imo Bringing those things up when he is just on a skiing vacation with his family shows an egoistical attitude about him being inconvenienced because he could not watch Stephano play a match versus Puma for his entertainment. Since they hardly have much in common with this current situation (Stephano skiing) versus earlier situations (Stephano skipping games for less acceptable reasons) Except one thing, he didn't end up playing the match that this dude who hates him wanted to see. Do you hate him, too? Or are you a bit more balanced in who end up in the box of people you feel justified to directly hate as a person? Considering you're assuming everyone who rolls his eyes at Stephano being a no-show... which is the norm... must hate him, it's a bit hypocritical to say anyone else is jumping to conclusions. I have incredibly great respect for Stephano as a player. Amazingly talented. Possibly the best foreigner (or top three at least, not going to argue between Naniwa and others). However, he has not earned my respect as a person, because of his consistent immaturity and terrible decision-making. He's generally irresponsible and doesn't take tournaments seriously. I think he has a lot of growing up to do in general. That's my opinion, and it comes from a multitude of Stephano's controversies. Stephano took a vacation and so could not play this game. Some people make it sound like a crime. You want his family to postpone their family vacation for another 2 months? How exactly does that fit in to the ski-season? I don't think anyone said it's a crime, but I only read through the entire thread once. However, Xeris did note that if a player can't play in a match, NASL needs to be notified a week in advance to set up the new match (and he gave great justification for this protocol), and Stephano didn't abide by the rules (and Stephano very commonly ignores the rules whenever he leaves a tournament, regardless of how innocent the rationale ends up being). A lot of us are just upset that Stephano didn't make an effort to try and set up a new time to play with Puma. That's just pretty much it. We feel let down. It's certainly not a crime, but it seems that he's not that serious about the tournament. And, for the record, I'm sure he knew about his family vacation more than a week in advance.
Well, Stephano made a special effort to play his first match in NASL3 wednesday morning last week at 4.30 am last week, he was massively jet-lagged having just arrived back from IPL4 the previous day. He then flew off on holiday at some time last Friday. So maybe there was not enough time to play Puma during that period of less than 2 days. Puma himself had to recover from his own travels to Vegas and back (to Korea?). As NASL do not postpone matches, Stephano could not play Puma unless he managed to do so from his ski-resort. Until he actually gets to his hotel/chalet/appartment there is no way Stephano could know whether he had sufficiently stable internet connection to play Puma this week or not.
I don't feel that Stephano missing this appointed game due to a ski-trip with his family is evidence of a lack of commitment to NASL. Yes he should have notified NASL last week about his ski-trip, but maybe he planned to play from his resort but found this was not possible due to his internet there and then notified NASL.
Yes it is disappointing for the fans and the tournament about this match not being played but players will go on vacations from time to time and have to take days off to deal with personal issues.
I thought last Friday when Stephano tweeted about his vacation that this would mean he would miss his NASL match and that the usual suspects will bash him for doing this. And lo and behold.
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NASL is getting some Badass-level production value.
Most impressive!
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WOW nightend, worst engagement ever?
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On April 19 2012 11:31 GunPaladin wrote:Show nested quote +On April 19 2012 11:17 revel8 wrote:On April 19 2012 11:14 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:On April 19 2012 11:01 BBMorti wrote:On April 19 2012 10:55 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:On April 19 2012 10:52 BBMorti wrote:On April 19 2012 09:30 xrapture wrote:On April 19 2012 09:27 whiterabbit wrote:On April 19 2012 08:55 xrapture wrote:
ugh, why do online tournaments even bother with Stephano anymore.
And people wonder why he has so many haters TT
Was looking forward to Puma vs Stephano all day. I am not Stephano's fan or something, but you people... Guy went to vacation with his FAMILY and bunch of you folks acting like he didn't play this match because he doesn't care or something. (doesn't matter he didn't notice NASL earlier at least not for the point I am trying to make, his match wouldn't be played anyway.) I don't care about that. But do you realize how many times he has not shown up to online tournaments. Hell he even forfeited the finals of one tournament because he was "tired". Almost any other pro would show more passion and gratitude for being allowed in a tournament than Stephano... Your posts pretty much comes down to you not caring about anything but the entertainment he can give you, when he fails to do that you hate him. I would argue that his posts pretty much come down to Stephano not taking plenty of tournaments seriously, or their rules, or the fans that want to watch him play in the tournaments that he signs up for and then ignores (including Millenium's own tournament, which he didn't show up for after agreeing to play in, and is now temporarily banned from... how can you even ignore your own team's Pro Cup and let your team down countless times in both that tournament and other team tournaments x.x). You argue poorly based on his two posts, in this thread, then. Imo Bringing those things up when he is just on a skiing vacation with his family shows an egoistical attitude about him being inconvenienced because he could not watch Stephano play a match versus Puma for his entertainment. Since they hardly have much in common with this current situation (Stephano skiing) versus earlier situations (Stephano skipping games for less acceptable reasons) Except one thing, he didn't end up playing the match that this dude who hates him wanted to see. Do you hate him, too? Or are you a bit more balanced in who end up in the box of people you feel justified to directly hate as a person? Considering you're assuming everyone who rolls his eyes at Stephano being a no-show... which is the norm... must hate him, it's a bit hypocritical to say anyone else is jumping to conclusions. I have incredibly great respect for Stephano as a player. Amazingly talented. Possibly the best foreigner (or top three at least, not going to argue between Naniwa and others). However, he has not earned my respect as a person, because of his consistent immaturity and terrible decision-making. He's generally irresponsible and doesn't take tournaments seriously. I think he has a lot of growing up to do in general. That's my opinion, and it comes from a multitude of Stephano's controversies. Stephano took a vacation and so could not play this game. Some people make it sound like a crime. You want his family to postpone their family vacation for another 2 months when NASL is finished? How exactly does that fit in to the ski-season? You think there will be much ski-ing to be done in June? This isn't about Stephano taking a vacation, it's about his history of blowing off tournaments. This is just the most recent one where he gave NASL little to no notice until a walkover was unavoidable.
No a walkover was unavoidable because Stephano could not play Puma due to a family vacation scheduled almost immediately after IPL4. Stephano could not play Puma in between arriving back from USA from IPL4 and then leaving for his ski-trip a few days later. He already interrupted his efforts to reset his sleep patterns in order to play TT1 in NASL last week while jet-lagged.
This vacation is nothing to do with his blowing off past tournaments. This whole drama is just the haters whining because a player they hate took a weeks vacation causing him to miss a game during the 2 month long stage of NASL.
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Tanks are pretty good in TvP (when you can guard them).
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On April 19 2012 11:31 GunPaladin wrote:Show nested quote +On April 19 2012 11:17 revel8 wrote:On April 19 2012 11:14 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:On April 19 2012 11:01 BBMorti wrote:On April 19 2012 10:55 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:On April 19 2012 10:52 BBMorti wrote:On April 19 2012 09:30 xrapture wrote:On April 19 2012 09:27 whiterabbit wrote:On April 19 2012 08:55 xrapture wrote:
ugh, why do online tournaments even bother with Stephano anymore.
And people wonder why he has so many haters TT
Was looking forward to Puma vs Stephano all day. I am not Stephano's fan or something, but you people... Guy went to vacation with his FAMILY and bunch of you folks acting like he didn't play this match because he doesn't care or something. (doesn't matter he didn't notice NASL earlier at least not for the point I am trying to make, his match wouldn't be played anyway.) I don't care about that. But do you realize how many times he has not shown up to online tournaments. Hell he even forfeited the finals of one tournament because he was "tired". Almost any other pro would show more passion and gratitude for being allowed in a tournament than Stephano... Your posts pretty much comes down to you not caring about anything but the entertainment he can give you, when he fails to do that you hate him. I would argue that his posts pretty much come down to Stephano not taking plenty of tournaments seriously, or their rules, or the fans that want to watch him play in the tournaments that he signs up for and then ignores (including Millenium's own tournament, which he didn't show up for after agreeing to play in, and is now temporarily banned from... how can you even ignore your own team's Pro Cup and let your team down countless times in both that tournament and other team tournaments x.x). You argue poorly based on his two posts, in this thread, then. Imo Bringing those things up when he is just on a skiing vacation with his family shows an egoistical attitude about him being inconvenienced because he could not watch Stephano play a match versus Puma for his entertainment. Since they hardly have much in common with this current situation (Stephano skiing) versus earlier situations (Stephano skipping games for less acceptable reasons) Except one thing, he didn't end up playing the match that this dude who hates him wanted to see. Do you hate him, too? Or are you a bit more balanced in who end up in the box of people you feel justified to directly hate as a person? Considering you're assuming everyone who rolls his eyes at Stephano being a no-show... which is the norm... must hate him, it's a bit hypocritical to say anyone else is jumping to conclusions. I have incredibly great respect for Stephano as a player. Amazingly talented. Possibly the best foreigner (or top three at least, not going to argue between Naniwa and others). However, he has not earned my respect as a person, because of his consistent immaturity and terrible decision-making. He's generally irresponsible and doesn't take tournaments seriously. I think he has a lot of growing up to do in general. That's my opinion, and it comes from a multitude of Stephano's controversies. Stephano took a vacation and so could not play this game. Some people make it sound like a crime. You want his family to postpone their family vacation for another 2 months when NASL is finished? How exactly does that fit in to the ski-season? You think there will be much ski-ing to be done in June? This isn't about Stephano taking a vacation, it's about his history of blowing off tournaments. This is just the most recent one where he gave NASL little to no notice until a walkover was unavoidable.
it's just a game =P
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On April 19 2012 11:19 udgnim wrote:
BRATOK should have realized that TT1 building a third is a trap
TT1 never builds a third
yea cus macroing in sc2 is way too hard
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On April 19 2012 11:50 Hall0wed wrote:Show nested quote +On April 19 2012 11:36 BBMorti wrote:On April 19 2012 11:31 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:On April 19 2012 11:24 BBMorti wrote:On April 19 2012 11:14 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:On April 19 2012 11:01 BBMorti wrote:On April 19 2012 10:55 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:On April 19 2012 10:52 BBMorti wrote:On April 19 2012 09:30 xrapture wrote:On April 19 2012 09:27 whiterabbit wrote:
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I am not Stephano's fan or something, but you people... Guy went to vacation with his FAMILY and bunch of you folks acting like he didn't play this match because he doesn't care or something.
(doesn't matter he didn't notice NASL earlier at least not for the point I am trying to make, his match wouldn't be played anyway.) I don't care about that. But do you realize how many times he has not shown up to online tournaments. Hell he even forfeited the finals of one tournament because he was "tired". Almost any other pro would show more passion and gratitude for being allowed in a tournament than Stephano... Your posts pretty much comes down to you not caring about anything but the entertainment he can give you, when he fails to do that you hate him. I would argue that his posts pretty much come down to Stephano not taking plenty of tournaments seriously, or their rules, or the fans that want to watch him play in the tournaments that he signs up for and then ignores (including Millenium's own tournament, which he didn't show up for after agreeing to play in, and is now temporarily banned from... how can you even ignore your own team's Pro Cup and let your team down countless times in both that tournament and other team tournaments x.x). You argue poorly based on his two posts, in this thread, then. Imo Bringing those things up when he is just on a skiing vacation with his family shows an egoistical attitude about him being inconvenienced because he could not watch Stephano play a match versus Puma for his entertainment. Since they hardly have much in common with this current situation (Stephano skiing) versus earlier situations (Stephano skipping games for less acceptable reasons) Except one thing, he didn't end up playing the match that this dude who hates him wanted to see. Do you hate him, too? Or are you a bit more balanced in who end up in the box of people you feel justified to directly hate as a person? Considering you're assuming everyone who rolls his eyes at Stephano being a no-show... which is the norm... must hate him, it's a bit hypocritical to say anyone else is jumping to conclusions. I have incredibly great respect for Stephano as a player. Amazingly talented. Possibly the best foreigner (or top three at least, not going to argue between Naniwa and others). However, he has not earned my respect as a person, because of his consistent immaturity and terrible decision-making. He's generally irresponsible and doesn't take tournaments seriously. I think he has a lot of growing up to do in general. That's my opinion, and it comes from a multitude of Stephano's controversies. I don't hate him. That doesn't make sense. I don't know him personally. I didn't say you hate him, I asked you if you also, do. But I am glad you are clear minded enough to see that it indeed does not make sense to decide to hate a person based on him not showing up to play a match. To bring up reasons to point out how you find him immature, irresponsible and "it is the norm he is a no-show" <-- statements like this. That, is the type of thing that does not demand respect for someone's person. If you ask me. You decided to foam at the mouth for no logical reason, at Stephano, the eagerness to do so is what can be telling. So justifying an opinion with evidence is... illogical? o.O ::head explodes:: Double signing contracts, playing in simultaneous tournaments and then quitting, leaving countless tournaments (including Millenium's), etc. These aren't good reasons to not care for a person's character? Have you not followed these Stephano problems? All right, well suit yourself. I'm not going to talk about this anymore and muck up the thread. He's not even a part of tonight's games. No, foaming about those issues, because he did not play a bo3 today, because he is skiing with his family, is what is telling about you. I don't think I can make it clearer, you saw apples and started to spew at him about oranges. Starcraft is his job. If you are working a job, you don't simply go on vacation without giving anyone proper notice. Thats all there is to it, if you cannot understand that then I suggest you don't post anymore on matters such as these.
Giving proper notice would not have altered anything regarding this game not being played. Stephano is on vacation. He did not have sufficient time to play the game with Puma in the brief time he had arriving back from IPL4 and then leaving for his ski-trip last week. NASL have stated they do not allow games to be postponed. Stephano's schedule of travelling and his vacation prevented him from playing this game at the scheduled time or to play it ahead of time last week.
Anyway haters gonna hate regardless of sufficient cause or not.
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On April 19 2012 12:14 revel8 wrote:Show nested quote +On April 19 2012 11:50 Hall0wed wrote:On April 19 2012 11:36 BBMorti wrote:On April 19 2012 11:31 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:On April 19 2012 11:24 BBMorti wrote:On April 19 2012 11:14 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:On April 19 2012 11:01 BBMorti wrote:On April 19 2012 10:55 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:On April 19 2012 10:52 BBMorti wrote:On April 19 2012 09:30 xrapture wrote:
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I don't care about that. But do you realize how many times he has not shown up to online tournaments.
Hell he even forfeited the finals of one tournament because he was "tired".
Almost any other pro would show more passion and gratitude for being allowed in a tournament than Stephano... Your posts pretty much comes down to you not caring about anything but the entertainment he can give you, when he fails to do that you hate him. I would argue that his posts pretty much come down to Stephano not taking plenty of tournaments seriously, or their rules, or the fans that want to watch him play in the tournaments that he signs up for and then ignores (including Millenium's own tournament, which he didn't show up for after agreeing to play in, and is now temporarily banned from... how can you even ignore your own team's Pro Cup and let your team down countless times in both that tournament and other team tournaments x.x). You argue poorly based on his two posts, in this thread, then. Imo Bringing those things up when he is just on a skiing vacation with his family shows an egoistical attitude about him being inconvenienced because he could not watch Stephano play a match versus Puma for his entertainment. Since they hardly have much in common with this current situation (Stephano skiing) versus earlier situations (Stephano skipping games for less acceptable reasons) Except one thing, he didn't end up playing the match that this dude who hates him wanted to see. Do you hate him, too? Or are you a bit more balanced in who end up in the box of people you feel justified to directly hate as a person? Considering you're assuming everyone who rolls his eyes at Stephano being a no-show... which is the norm... must hate him, it's a bit hypocritical to say anyone else is jumping to conclusions. I have incredibly great respect for Stephano as a player. Amazingly talented. Possibly the best foreigner (or top three at least, not going to argue between Naniwa and others). However, he has not earned my respect as a person, because of his consistent immaturity and terrible decision-making. He's generally irresponsible and doesn't take tournaments seriously. I think he has a lot of growing up to do in general. That's my opinion, and it comes from a multitude of Stephano's controversies. I don't hate him. That doesn't make sense. I don't know him personally. I didn't say you hate him, I asked you if you also, do. But I am glad you are clear minded enough to see that it indeed does not make sense to decide to hate a person based on him not showing up to play a match. To bring up reasons to point out how you find him immature, irresponsible and "it is the norm he is a no-show" <-- statements like this. That, is the type of thing that does not demand respect for someone's person. If you ask me. You decided to foam at the mouth for no logical reason, at Stephano, the eagerness to do so is what can be telling. So justifying an opinion with evidence is... illogical? o.O ::head explodes:: Double signing contracts, playing in simultaneous tournaments and then quitting, leaving countless tournaments (including Millenium's), etc. These aren't good reasons to not care for a person's character? Have you not followed these Stephano problems? All right, well suit yourself. I'm not going to talk about this anymore and muck up the thread. He's not even a part of tonight's games. No, foaming about those issues, because he did not play a bo3 today, because he is skiing with his family, is what is telling about you. I don't think I can make it clearer, you saw apples and started to spew at him about oranges. Starcraft is his job. If you are working a job, you don't simply go on vacation without giving anyone proper notice. Thats all there is to it, if you cannot understand that then I suggest you don't post anymore on matters such as these. Giving proper notice would not have altered anything regarding this game not being played. Stephano is on vacation. He did not have sufficient time to play the game with Puma in the brief time he had arriving back from IPL4 and then leaving for his ski-trip last week. NASL have stated they do not allow games to be postponed. Stephano's schedule of travelling and his vacation prevented him from playing this game at the scheduled time or to play it ahead of time last week. Anyway haters gonna hate regardless of sufficient cause or not.
I like Stephano, but I think he should have notified NASL last week, knowing that he could not play. Even if a walkover was unavoidable it is just common courtesy to inform the counterparty of his unavailability.
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Cloud has been doing particularly well lately.
But man, NightEnd played terrible there. He'd been playing so well lately, and then there's his whole move to Korea... surprising. Very surprising.
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On April 19 2012 12:18 Fighter wrote:
Cloud has been doing particularly well lately.
But man, NightEnd played terrible there. He'd been playing so well lately, and then there's his whole move to Korea... surprising. Very surprising.
A lot of people get depressed when they are exposed to the Korean style in its fullest incarnation. Naniwa and Morrow went through those periods as well.
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Dat dog!!! His cuteness is so IMBA, nerf it!!!
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NightEnd could also not have been completely used to the Korea to NA latency by now. Expect him to play better in future weeks, I think.
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On April 19 2012 12:18 FairForever wrote:Show nested quote +On April 19 2012 12:14 revel8 wrote:On April 19 2012 11:50 Hall0wed wrote:On April 19 2012 11:36 BBMorti wrote:On April 19 2012 11:31 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:On April 19 2012 11:24 BBMorti wrote:On April 19 2012 11:14 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:On April 19 2012 11:01 BBMorti wrote:On April 19 2012 10:55 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:On April 19 2012 10:52 BBMorti wrote:
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Your posts pretty much comes down to you not caring about anything but the entertainment he can give you, when he fails to do that you hate him. I would argue that his posts pretty much come down to Stephano not taking plenty of tournaments seriously, or their rules, or the fans that want to watch him play in the tournaments that he signs up for and then ignores (including Millenium's own tournament, which he didn't show up for after agreeing to play in, and is now temporarily banned from... how can you even ignore your own team's Pro Cup and let your team down countless times in both that tournament and other team tournaments x.x). You argue poorly based on his two posts, in this thread, then. Imo Bringing those things up when he is just on a skiing vacation with his family shows an egoistical attitude about him being inconvenienced because he could not watch Stephano play a match versus Puma for his entertainment. Since they hardly have much in common with this current situation (Stephano skiing) versus earlier situations (Stephano skipping games for less acceptable reasons) Except one thing, he didn't end up playing the match that this dude who hates him wanted to see. Do you hate him, too? Or are you a bit more balanced in who end up in the box of people you feel justified to directly hate as a person? Considering you're assuming everyone who rolls his eyes at Stephano being a no-show... which is the norm... must hate him, it's a bit hypocritical to say anyone else is jumping to conclusions. I have incredibly great respect for Stephano as a player. Amazingly talented. Possibly the best foreigner (or top three at least, not going to argue between Naniwa and others). However, he has not earned my respect as a person, because of his consistent immaturity and terrible decision-making. He's generally irresponsible and doesn't take tournaments seriously. I think he has a lot of growing up to do in general. That's my opinion, and it comes from a multitude of Stephano's controversies. I don't hate him. That doesn't make sense. I don't know him personally. I didn't say you hate him, I asked you if you also, do. But I am glad you are clear minded enough to see that it indeed does not make sense to decide to hate a person based on him not showing up to play a match. To bring up reasons to point out how you find him immature, irresponsible and "it is the norm he is a no-show" <-- statements like this. That, is the type of thing that does not demand respect for someone's person. If you ask me. You decided to foam at the mouth for no logical reason, at Stephano, the eagerness to do so is what can be telling. So justifying an opinion with evidence is... illogical? o.O ::head explodes:: Double signing contracts, playing in simultaneous tournaments and then quitting, leaving countless tournaments (including Millenium's), etc. These aren't good reasons to not care for a person's character? Have you not followed these Stephano problems? All right, well suit yourself. I'm not going to talk about this anymore and muck up the thread. He's not even a part of tonight's games. No, foaming about those issues, because he did not play a bo3 today, because he is skiing with his family, is what is telling about you. I don't think I can make it clearer, you saw apples and started to spew at him about oranges. Starcraft is his job. If you are working a job, you don't simply go on vacation without giving anyone proper notice. Thats all there is to it, if you cannot understand that then I suggest you don't post anymore on matters such as these. Giving proper notice would not have altered anything regarding this game not being played. Stephano is on vacation. He did not have sufficient time to play the game with Puma in the brief time he had arriving back from IPL4 and then leaving for his ski-trip last week. NASL have stated they do not allow games to be postponed. Stephano's schedule of travelling and his vacation prevented him from playing this game at the scheduled time or to play it ahead of time last week. Anyway haters gonna hate regardless of sufficient cause or not. I like Stephano, but I think he should have notified NASL last week, knowing that he could not play. Even if a walkover was unavoidable it is just common courtesy to inform the counterparty of his unavailability.
You are quite correct. I also have said the same upthread. However some folks are complaining about him not playing the game rather than the lack of notification of unavailability. I was just pointing out that Stephano's schedule with IPL4 and then his vacation meant he did not have time to play Puma last week. So if he had been responsible and notified NASL last week then he still would have been had to give Puma a walkover this week.
It is interesting to note that some of those who are criticising Stephano over his vacation are the same posters who took swipes at him during the recent Millenium-Mouz series despite Stephano winning his series there against Thorzain.
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On April 19 2012 12:23 CosmicSpiral wrote:Show nested quote +On April 19 2012 12:18 Fighter wrote:
Cloud has been doing particularly well lately.
But man, NightEnd played terrible there. He'd been playing so well lately, and then there's his whole move to Korea... surprising. Very surprising. A lot of people get depressed when they are exposed to the Korean style in its fullest incarnation. Naniwa and Morrow went through those periods as well.
There's a correlation, but there isn't a causation established here. I think the other reason expressed (not used to the delay) is a lot more realistic.
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So what were all the scores?
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On April 19 2012 12:39 Panthae wrote:
So what were all the scores?
Is this a serious post?
+ Show Spoiler +
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It was. Im looking on esbl, shouldve checked the OP first. -.- Sorry!
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Well done to Cloud. Better luck next time Nightend. Keep fighting.
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The Stephano forfeit strikes again.
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On April 19 2012 12:45 RUS RO DAH!!! wrote:
The Stephano forfeit strikes again.
On April 13 2012 23:44 Nelz wrote:
from twitter :
"MillStephano @MillStephano :
Leaving home for 1 week of ski holydays after whats i'll be streaming for 2 weeks almost every day ! Hope i wont break my arms !"
So certainly no Dreamhack next week and maybe forfeit for his next match in NASL except if he has already postponed it.
Edit: taken second quote from stephano's fanclub
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Stephano: the lazy genius
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On April 19 2012 13:44 Jisall wrote:Show nested quote +On April 19 2012 12:45 RUS RO DAH!!! wrote:
The Stephano forfeit strikes again. Show nested quote +On April 13 2012 23:44 Nelz wrote:
from twitter :
"MillStephano @MillStephano :
Leaving home for 1 week of ski holydays after whats i'll be streaming for 2 weeks almost every day ! Hope i wont break my arms !"
So certainly no Dreamhack next week and maybe forfeit for his next match in NASL except if he has already postponed it.
Edit: taken second quote from stephano's fanclub
That doesn't qualify as notifying NASL. NASL still has an obligation to wait for him to show up, and Stephano's opponent also has an obligation to wait (which can be annoying - see July v White-Ra in S1 where July waited 4 hours or so from 3 AM onwards).
Stephano has every right not to play the match and to enjoy his vacation, and I think he did the right thing. He just needed to actually tell a NASL admin.
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Well congrats to Puma. He should be able to win the group now that his hardest games are out of the way most likely
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On April 19 2012 14:48 FairForever wrote:Show nested quote +On April 19 2012 13:44 Jisall wrote:On April 19 2012 12:45 RUS RO DAH!!! wrote:
The Stephano forfeit strikes again. On April 13 2012 23:44 Nelz wrote:
from twitter :
"MillStephano @MillStephano :
Leaving home for 1 week of ski holydays after whats i'll be streaming for 2 weeks almost every day ! Hope i wont break my arms !"
So certainly no Dreamhack next week and maybe forfeit for his next match in NASL except if he has already postponed it.
Edit: taken second quote from stephano's fanclub That doesn't qualify as notifying NASL. NASL still has an obligation to wait for him to show up, and Stephano's opponent also has an obligation to wait (which can be annoying - see July v White-Ra in S1 where July waited 4 hours or so from 3 AM onwards). Stephano has every right not to play the match and to enjoy his vacation, and I think he did the right thing. He just needed to actually tell a NASL admin.
Read Xeris' post, he notified them three days ago, Puma didn't wait.
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On April 19 2012 08:55 xrapture wrote:
ugh, why do online tournaments even bother with Stephano anymore.
And people wonder why he has so many haters TT
Was looking forward to Puma vs Stephano all day.
Is Stephano´s first vacation in a very long time. Since december he has been traveling all over the world. If you really hate a player becuase he is takign 1 week off to spend time with his family then ill say you got issues.
Stephano will still qualify for the final and ill say he is a top favorite to win this tournament I only see Alive who can stop him.
Ofcourse its sad we didnt get to see Stephano vs Puma again but Puma is proberly happy.
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On April 19 2012 11:50 Hall0wed wrote:Show nested quote +On April 19 2012 11:36 BBMorti wrote:On April 19 2012 11:31 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:On April 19 2012 11:24 BBMorti wrote:On April 19 2012 11:14 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:On April 19 2012 11:01 BBMorti wrote:On April 19 2012 10:55 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:On April 19 2012 10:52 BBMorti wrote:On April 19 2012 09:30 xrapture wrote:On April 19 2012 09:27 whiterabbit wrote:
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I am not Stephano's fan or something, but you people... Guy went to vacation with his FAMILY and bunch of you folks acting like he didn't play this match because he doesn't care or something.
(doesn't matter he didn't notice NASL earlier at least not for the point I am trying to make, his match wouldn't be played anyway.) I don't care about that. But do you realize how many times he has not shown up to online tournaments. Hell he even forfeited the finals of one tournament because he was "tired". Almost any other pro would show more passion and gratitude for being allowed in a tournament than Stephano... Your posts pretty much comes down to you not caring about anything but the entertainment he can give you, when he fails to do that you hate him. I would argue that his posts pretty much come down to Stephano not taking plenty of tournaments seriously, or their rules, or the fans that want to watch him play in the tournaments that he signs up for and then ignores (including Millenium's own tournament, which he didn't show up for after agreeing to play in, and is now temporarily banned from... how can you even ignore your own team's Pro Cup and let your team down countless times in both that tournament and other team tournaments x.x). You argue poorly based on his two posts, in this thread, then. Imo Bringing those things up when he is just on a skiing vacation with his family shows an egoistical attitude about him being inconvenienced because he could not watch Stephano play a match versus Puma for his entertainment. Since they hardly have much in common with this current situation (Stephano skiing) versus earlier situations (Stephano skipping games for less acceptable reasons) Except one thing, he didn't end up playing the match that this dude who hates him wanted to see. Do you hate him, too? Or are you a bit more balanced in who end up in the box of people you feel justified to directly hate as a person? Considering you're assuming everyone who rolls his eyes at Stephano being a no-show... which is the norm... must hate him, it's a bit hypocritical to say anyone else is jumping to conclusions. I have incredibly great respect for Stephano as a player. Amazingly talented. Possibly the best foreigner (or top three at least, not going to argue between Naniwa and others). However, he has not earned my respect as a person, because of his consistent immaturity and terrible decision-making. He's generally irresponsible and doesn't take tournaments seriously. I think he has a lot of growing up to do in general. That's my opinion, and it comes from a multitude of Stephano's controversies. I don't hate him. That doesn't make sense. I don't know him personally. I didn't say you hate him, I asked you if you also, do. But I am glad you are clear minded enough to see that it indeed does not make sense to decide to hate a person based on him not showing up to play a match. To bring up reasons to point out how you find him immature, irresponsible and "it is the norm he is a no-show" <-- statements like this. That, is the type of thing that does not demand respect for someone's person. If you ask me. You decided to foam at the mouth for no logical reason, at Stephano, the eagerness to do so is what can be telling. So justifying an opinion with evidence is... illogical? o.O ::head explodes:: Double signing contracts, playing in simultaneous tournaments and then quitting, leaving countless tournaments (including Millenium's), etc. These aren't good reasons to not care for a person's character? Have you not followed these Stephano problems? All right, well suit yourself. I'm not going to talk about this anymore and muck up the thread. He's not even a part of tonight's games. No, foaming about those issues, because he did not play a bo3 today, because he is skiing with his family, is what is telling about you. I don't think I can make it clearer, you saw apples and started to spew at him about oranges. Starcraft is his job. If you are working a job, you don't simply go on vacation without giving anyone proper notice. Thats all there is to it, if you cannot understand that then I suggest you don't post anymore on matters such as these.
For you its his job for Stephano he is having a year off having fun and making alot of money. And btw Hallowed its funny you allways here to paint Stephano in bad light when something is happening no matter what it is. You must really hate the guy. Did Stephano make you favorite player look silly or something?
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NASL refusing to reschedule matches. NASL forcing players to play at 4:30am. Who wants to play at 4:30am? LOL
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On April 19 2012 16:39 StarVe wrote:Show nested quote +On April 19 2012 14:48 FairForever wrote:On April 19 2012 13:44 Jisall wrote:On April 19 2012 12:45 RUS RO DAH!!! wrote:
The Stephano forfeit strikes again. On April 13 2012 23:44 Nelz wrote:
from twitter :
"MillStephano @MillStephano :
Leaving home for 1 week of ski holydays after whats i'll be streaming for 2 weeks almost every day ! Hope i wont break my arms !"
So certainly no Dreamhack next week and maybe forfeit for his next match in NASL except if he has already postponed it.
Edit: taken second quote from stephano's fanclub That doesn't qualify as notifying NASL. NASL still has an obligation to wait for him to show up, and Stephano's opponent also has an obligation to wait (which can be annoying - see July v White-Ra in S1 where July waited 4 hours or so from 3 AM onwards). Stephano has every right not to play the match and to enjoy his vacation, and I think he did the right thing. He just needed to actually tell a NASL admin. Read Xeris' post, he notified them three days ago, Puma didn't wait.
Actually, it seems from an earlier post in the thread that Puma did in fact wait up for the match, having not been told by NASL. I reckon that makes it 1-1 in the blame game ^^
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Kinda selfish to follow rules so blindly in this case, he informed you 3 days ago, especially when he played at 4am last week for you. You just robbed viewers of probably highest level match in nasl3 group play.
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So again from Stephano's twitter :
"MillStephano @MillStephano
@Worthlessvirgin try to understand the situation before saying such a thing, Im on ski holiday for 1 week and i thought id be able to run sc2 here but the internet doesnt allow it."
So he wanted to play but couldn't.
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On April 19 2012 19:43 Nelz wrote:
So again from Stephano's twitter :
"MillStephano @MillStephano
@Worthlessvirgin try to understand the situation before saying such a thing, Im on ski holiday for 1 week and i thought id be able to run sc2 here but the internet doesnt allow it."
So he wanted to play but couldn't.
Well that explains the late notification to NASL. Stephano hoped to play the game as scheduled but lacks the facilities to do so. Upon discovering that he notified NASL 3 days before the game, but had to take the walkover loss due to his inability to play the scheduled game. Hardly unreasonable behaviour.
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I should also commend Frodan and Gretorp for their casting. I think they have dramatically improved their chemistry as a casting duo since the first week. It is good to see NASL improving it's product from week to week. Props to them.
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Stephano tweeted this today about his NASL match
'Sorry for the people waiting for the match between i and puma,i couldnt find a place with a decent connection to play, being in the mountain'
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