Due to Sunday Showdowns airing on Sundays(starting 4/22) all of NASL's Division 5 broadcasts are bumped up two hours and start at 4:00PM PDT instead of the regular 6PM PDT Wednesday-Saturday start times. Every Sunday for Season 3 will start at 4:00PM PDT for Division 5 broadcasts and the Sunday Showdown match will immediately follow the end of the divisional broadcast. Thanks!
Due to a technical issue, only games 1 and 3 were casted during the broadcast. Game 2 will be uploaded to our youtube: http://www.youtube.com/NAStarleague
On April 16 2012 03:51 catplanetcatplanet wrote: Puzzle 2-1 MorroW qxc 2-0 TargA White-Ra 2-1 Sheth (hard to call this one) MC 2-0 Jinro (?? I don't know)
Jinro might win with mech ez
Thing is when is the last time Jinro won . I have the same predictions with sheth winning.
Well they are settling into a new format, with new segments each day of the week, and of course some games are live so that adds jitter to the schedule, 10-15 minutes past the hour for games to start wouldn't be a terrible guess.
On April 16 2012 07:19 ZAiNs wrote: I've never watched NASL live before, how long does the pre-game show stuff take? I'm considering watching Puzzle vs Morrow before heading off to bed.
5-10 minutes.
On April 16 2012 07:37 whiterabbit wrote: What exactly is Showdown match and who is playing? (sorry I can't find topic for this, gotta ask here)
Every Sunday we're flying in top players for a $2,000 showmatch. But it doesn't start today. It starts next week with Sen vs Tod.
On April 16 2012 07:19 ZAiNs wrote: I've never watched NASL live before, how long does the pre-game show stuff take? I'm considering watching Puzzle vs Morrow before heading off to bed.
On April 16 2012 07:19 ZAiNs wrote: I've never watched NASL live before, how long does the pre-game show stuff take? I'm considering watching Puzzle vs Morrow before heading off to bed.
nice win. i felt white-ra could have dealt with sheths pressure even better though, it think he should be able to forcefield the ramp outside his natural while dealing with the attack at the third.
funny that IdrA just won a game by doing a big roach hydra drop ZvP then looks to the left at his teammate watching NASL right when Sheth does a roach hydra drop
On April 16 2012 08:45 Zheryn wrote: funny that IdrA just won a game by doing a big roach hydra drop ZvP then looks to the left at his teammate watching NASL right when Sheth does a roach hydra drop
that drop only works when you use your entire force. once the zerg army splits, it's pretty useless against blink stalkers
Sheth was behind from the after the voidray and he was completely unprepared for the colossi. Luckily he went into a basetrade, but even that had an incredibly small chance to win.
YES MORROW!!!! I've been studying his style for a long time, I really want to know how he deals with FFE with this style, and luckily he won this game. I don't think I could bear watching and studying the VOD and replay if he lost T_T
On April 16 2012 09:32 KhAmun wrote: I missed game 2, can someone recap why people are praising it?
MorroW killed quite a bit of probes with baneling drops, and he fungaled stalkers to prevent him from running from the banelings. he also ran in circles around a base, destroying it and avoiding stalkers at the same time.
Then he fungaled some cloaked stalkers, and then sniped the mothership. He mind controlled the colossi and Puzzle was about to blink snipe the broodlords when like 40 lings arrived under them at just the right moment.
The style MorroW plays just always looks great when he wins with it, part because of the fact it's not really "supposed" to work, and the fact that banelings killing a ton of stuff always looks cool anyways.
Insane game to end the Morrow vs Puzzle series on. Some mistakes for both players but thats what happens in weird situations when the players do not have full info.
On April 16 2012 09:49 mordk wrote: This is a great use of Nydus, I've always liked this type of play.
I agree. So many zergs only seem to think of nydus as a way to roll the dice and hopefully sneak a giant army into the enemy's base. I love seeing it used as a way to generally enhance mobility around the map (a bit like nydus canals in BW, but with more flexibility).
On April 16 2012 09:54 blinken wrote: I don't see how someone [..] as idra can pull 10k viewers when this amazing program is struggling with 5. I don't get people.
yeah i dont either. Perhaps itll pick up later on in the tourny
On April 16 2012 09:54 blinken wrote: I don't see how someone [..] as idra can pull 10k viewers when this amazing program is struggling with 5. I don't get people.
yeah i dont either. Perhaps itll pick up later on in the tourny
MLG showmatch bo7 between Oz and MKP was on, that'll cut into viewer numbers. Finished just now.
On April 16 2012 09:54 blinken wrote: I don't see how someone [..] as idra can pull 10k viewers when this amazing program is struggling with 5. I don't get people.
yeah i dont either. Perhaps itll pick up later on in the tourny
MLG showmatch bo7 between Oz and MKP was on, that'll cut into viewer numbers. Finished just now.
Yeah but the Dragon and Destiny showmatch is on now :D
How did TargA make the game that close? I thought qxc was so far ahead, he killed quite a few drones in the early game and denied TargA's third several times as well.
On April 16 2012 10:13 Hulavuta wrote: Legitimate Question:
How did TargA make the game that close? I thought qxc was so far ahead, he killed quite a few drones in the early game and denied TargA's third several times as well.
Bad macro and bad engagements...
Both players played kind of bad that game... Hopefully they will pick it up in game 2.
What a lackluster match... Qxc stockpiling so many resources all the time, while Targa's not expanding at all, though manages to take down Qxc's army? Also, Targa's opening seemed weird.
On April 16 2012 10:18 Antithesis wrote: What an lackluster match... Qxc stockpiling so many resources all the time, while Targa's not expanding at all, though manages to take down Qxc's army? Also, Targa's opening seemed weird.
Targa was going to all in and realized it would fail and backed off. I think anyways.
On April 16 2012 10:19 sc14s wrote: i love bitterdam, really comes close to tastosis nowadays
Honestly I would put them on the same level right now.... I don't know why, but the silly jokes and rants that Artosis and tastless say I used to love but it's been kind of meh and almost annoying for me sometimes now.
Though Artosis is still one of the smarter analyst casters. Lots of people are really catching up so the days of Tastosis ruling all casters is coming to end imo...
i really like the 150$ incentive. gives the players a lot to play for, every match of every week. if you go 8-0 or whatever you can win yourself a good bit of cash before the LAN finals are even played
Im wondering if it was planned to make jokes about the lists they got all the time. Its really cracking me up lol. Loved Rotti since he did his thing in esl with demu but Bitter is really a perfect fit.
On April 16 2012 10:22 Hulavuta wrote: I've always liked them, but this whole time I thought everybody hated BitterdaM???
I've been all about Bitterdam before NASL3 /hipster
I always loved the chemistry they have together, wasn't quite sure about their in depth game knowledge. And Bitter has sometimes bugged me with his bias.
They have proved to me that they are one of the best casting pairs. Their Analyses has been spot on, not afraid to call out QxC on bad macro etc. And Bitter has not been overly biased towards the zerg player <3 keep up the great work BittedaM
On April 16 2012 10:32 Benjamin99 wrote: Lmao Bitter so bad at math. Any1 remember IEM where he had todo the math on who was getting out of there group?
Same with geography. It is so funny how he is a walking American stereotype. Lovable at the same time though.
On April 16 2012 10:22 Hulavuta wrote: I've always liked them, but this whole time I thought everybody hated BitterdaM???
I've been all about Bitterdam before NASL3 /hipster
wait who hates bitterdam? i mean some people complain that Mr. Bitter is very loving towards zergs + foreigners but in general they are good... have decent game knowledge and are likeable people
On April 16 2012 10:22 Hulavuta wrote: I've always liked them, but this whole time I thought everybody hated BitterdaM???
I've been all about Bitterdam before NASL3 /hipster
wait who hates bitterdam? i mean some people complain that Mr. Bitter is very loving towards zergs + foreigners but in general they are good... have decent game knowledge and are likeable people
I wouldn't say hate, but I'm not a huge fan of their casting. I just feel that they mis-cast games more frequently than some of the other well-known casters. For example, right now in game three of qxc vs. Targa, qxc has been up in supply and on even bases the entire time, and it's been commentated most of the time that Targa's ahead, way ahead, or that qxc is the one who needs to play catch up.
EDIT: After 15 minutes, it's been casted that qxc is *finally* in the lead, even though he's pretty much been in the better position the whole game.
On April 16 2012 10:22 Hulavuta wrote: I've always liked them, but this whole time I thought everybody hated BitterdaM???
I've been all about Bitterdam before NASL3 /hipster
wait who hates bitterdam? i mean some people complain that Mr. Bitter is very loving towards zergs + foreigners but in general they are good... have decent game knowledge and are likeable people
No don't get me wrong I meant with that post I enjoy their casting.
On April 16 2012 10:22 Hulavuta wrote: I've always liked them, but this whole time I thought everybody hated BitterdaM???
I've been all about Bitterdam before NASL3 /hipster
wait who hates bitterdam? i mean some people complain that Mr. Bitter is very loving towards zergs + foreigners but in general they are good... have decent game knowledge and are likeable people
I wouldn't say hate, but I'm not a huge fan of their casting. I just feel that they mis-cast games more frequently than some of the other well-known casters. For example, right now in game three of qxc vs. Targa, qxc has been up in supply and on even bases the entire time, and it's been commentated most of the time that Targa's ahead, way ahead, or that qxc is the one who needs to play catch up.
EDIT: After 15 minutes, it's been casted that qxc is *finally* in the lead, even though he's pretty much been in the better position the whole game.
They never sayd that Dark. They sayd after the first push from QXC that Targa was in good position. And he was well until the drops and the canceling of the 3rd..
Wow... the little mess ups that may have irked me earlier are worked so well into the humor of Bitterdam. I'm enjoying what I've seen of the NASL so far. Instead of trying hard failing to be professional, it's sort of comfortable with itself and has personality to it now.
On April 16 2012 10:48 PeterDLai wrote: "ties up the series 2-1"? what does that mean?
he closes out the series 2-1 is what it means. "ties it up" is a phrase that can be used in that way, although when talking about a series, it is very confusing and awkward.
I know MC is supposed to win this but he has been weirdly not keeping up with upgrades in recent games I've watched. If Jinro has a chance it is in mid games where he will be 2/2 and MC will in theory have 1/1 or even 0/1 and then punish him.
BAH plural of nexus is nexus. Darn you bitterdam. Eh kudos to live games though. And loving MC doing well, though I wish chinro was in fact doing better in general
Jinro won game two only because he blindly countered MC's colossi tech with mass mass vikings. He never even scouted the tech.
And I'm sad to say that, because I wish I could attribute it to something more, but I really can't. MC outmacroed him pretty hard but Jinro just had the better unit composition- by complete coincidence.
On April 16 2012 11:22 DarkPlasmaBall wrote: Jinro won game two only because he blindly countered MC's colossi tech with mass mass vikings. He never even scouted the tech.
And I'm sad to say that, because I wish I could attribute it to something more, but I really can't. MC outmacroed him pretty hard but Jinro just had the better unit composition- by complete coincidence.
idk if that was really mass vikings he had like 7ish?
On April 16 2012 11:22 DarkPlasmaBall wrote: Jinro won game two only because he blindly countered MC's colossi tech with mass mass vikings. He never even scouted the tech.
And I'm sad to say that, because I wish I could attribute it to something more, but I really can't. MC outmacroed him pretty hard but Jinro just had the better unit composition- by complete coincidence.
This pretty much sums up my thoughts on that game perfectly.... I wish I could say that Jinro outplayed MC hard.... but he didn't MC out macro'd him and Jinro blind hard countered his army composition...
Still well played by Jinro, but the Jinrollled comments are a bit exaggerated.
On April 16 2012 11:22 DarkPlasmaBall wrote: Jinro won game two only because he blindly countered MC's colossi tech with mass mass vikings. He never even scouted the tech.
And I'm sad to say that, because I wish I could attribute it to something more, but I really can't. MC outmacroed him pretty hard but Jinro just had the better unit composition- by complete coincidence.
I don't think it was a blind read; I can't speak for Jinro, but the lack of templars at MC's natural after having charge and blink for so long seemed like a strong tell to me. A protoss playing fast HT style will have templars gathering energy at the natural.
On April 16 2012 11:22 DarkPlasmaBall wrote: Jinro won game two only because he blindly countered MC's colossi tech with mass mass vikings. He never even scouted the tech.
And I'm sad to say that, because I wish I could attribute it to something more, but I really can't. MC outmacroed him pretty hard but Jinro just had the better unit composition- by complete coincidence.
Outmacroed? I'll give you the vikings, but MC lost because his third was way later than Jinro's.
On April 16 2012 11:22 DarkPlasmaBall wrote: Jinro won game two only because he blindly countered MC's colossi tech with mass mass vikings. He never even scouted the tech.
And I'm sad to say that, because I wish I could attribute it to something more, but I really can't. MC outmacroed him pretty hard but Jinro just had the better unit composition- by complete coincidence.
This pretty much sums up my thoughts on that game perfectly.... I wish I could say that Jinro outplayed MC hard.... but he didn't MC out macro'd him and Jinro blind hard countered his army composition...
Still well played by Jinro, but the Jinrollled comments are a bit exaggerated.
I really didn't see anyout macro-ing. It was pretty close. It seemed Jinro was keeping up, if not just a step behind.
But then again, it's my inner-Jinro fanboy, so I'm probably bias as hell.
On April 16 2012 11:22 DarkPlasmaBall wrote: Jinro won game two only because he blindly countered MC's colossi tech with mass mass vikings. He never even scouted the tech.
And I'm sad to say that, because I wish I could attribute it to something more, but I really can't. MC outmacroed him pretty hard but Jinro just had the better unit composition- by complete coincidence.
I think Jinro just always blind makes vikings because he probably always loses to coli transitions.
On April 16 2012 11:22 DarkPlasmaBall wrote: Jinro won game two only because he blindly countered MC's colossi tech with mass mass vikings. He never even scouted the tech.
And I'm sad to say that, because I wish I could attribute it to something more, but I really can't. MC outmacroed him pretty hard but Jinro just had the better unit composition- by complete coincidence.
Outmacroed? I'll give you the vikings, but MC lost because his third was way later than Jinro's.
Quicker third does not mean you have better macro -.-
On April 16 2012 11:22 DarkPlasmaBall wrote: Jinro won game two only because he blindly countered MC's colossi tech with mass mass vikings. He never even scouted the tech.
And I'm sad to say that, because I wish I could attribute it to something more, but I really can't. MC outmacroed him pretty hard but Jinro just had the better unit composition- by complete coincidence.
I don't believe in the "by complete coincidence".
Keep in mind these two play and practice together a LOT. They know each other very well.
There very well could have been another clue that made Jinro believe MC was going Colo..
I would say you should reserve judgement unless Jinro himself says he randomly picked a tech path.
On April 16 2012 11:22 DarkPlasmaBall wrote: Jinro won game two only because he blindly countered MC's colossi tech with mass mass vikings. He never even scouted the tech.
And I'm sad to say that, because I wish I could attribute it to something more, but I really can't. MC outmacroed him pretty hard but Jinro just had the better unit composition- by complete coincidence.
Outmacroed? I'll give you the vikings, but MC lost because his third was way later than Jinro's.
Quicker third does not mean you have better macro -.-
Quicker third = more income, more production facilities, more units, better macro.
On April 16 2012 11:22 DarkPlasmaBall wrote: Jinro won game two only because he blindly countered MC's colossi tech with mass mass vikings. He never even scouted the tech.
And I'm sad to say that, because I wish I could attribute it to something more, but I really can't. MC outmacroed him pretty hard but Jinro just had the better unit composition- by complete coincidence.
Outmacroed? I'll give you the vikings, but MC lost because his third was way later than Jinro's.
I think MC lost because it was just gateway units against mass bio, without enough AoE. MC chose colossi instead of storm at first, and then got out high templar way too late when he realized that the colossi were going to be useless because of the vikings.
On April 16 2012 11:22 DarkPlasmaBall wrote: Jinro won game two only because he blindly countered MC's colossi tech with mass mass vikings. He never even scouted the tech.
And I'm sad to say that, because I wish I could attribute it to something more, but I really can't. MC outmacroed him pretty hard but Jinro just had the better unit composition- by complete coincidence.
Outmacroed? I'll give you the vikings, but MC lost because his third was way later than Jinro's.
Quicker third does not mean you have better macro -.-
Quicker third = more income, more production facilities, more units, better macro.
Quicker third = more income, more production facilities, more units Yes but you only get more units and more production facilities if your ACTUAL Macro is better... A gold league player could drop tons of bases and mine more... doesn't mean his macro is better.
On April 16 2012 11:22 DarkPlasmaBall wrote: Jinro won game two only because he blindly countered MC's colossi tech with mass mass vikings. He never even scouted the tech.
And I'm sad to say that, because I wish I could attribute it to something more, but I really can't. MC outmacroed him pretty hard but Jinro just had the better unit composition- by complete coincidence.
Outmacroed? I'll give you the vikings, but MC lost because his third was way later than Jinro's.
Quicker third does not mean you have better macro -.-
Quicker third = more income, more production facilities, more units, better macro.
Actually, Jinro wasn't continuously making scvs throughout the first 15 minutes of the game, and he was notably behind MC in the worker count (moreso than simple chrono boosts would force), so the main benefit of getting that third OC would be the MULEs.
MC was also ahead by 15+ supply all game as well, and the final engagement was pretty quick, so it's not like MC got starved out whereas Jinro's quicker third base benefitted him in the long run.
On April 16 2012 11:22 DarkPlasmaBall wrote: Jinro won game two only because he blindly countered MC's colossi tech with mass mass vikings. He never even scouted the tech.
And I'm sad to say that, because I wish I could attribute it to something more, but I really can't. MC outmacroed him pretty hard but Jinro just had the better unit composition- by complete coincidence.
I don't believe in the "by complete coincidence".
Keep in mind these two play and practice together a LOT. They know each other very well.
There very well could have been another clue that made Jinro believe MC was going Colo..
I would say you should reserve judgement unless Jinro himself says he randomly picked a tech path.
Perhaps
Anyways, game three...
That was a pretty cool push from Jinro, and MC dealt with it pretty well ^^
Just wanted to jump in and say these casters are awesome, good chemistry and they just have fun together and goof around and it shows that they enjoy it and each other. Some viewers might have a preferance for more technically sound casters, and that's all gravy for the big tourney's, but these are the type of casters I like for these less important games.
NASL with bitterdam is fast becoming my favourite league. It's not just good casting but they're really the people where I notice most that they're enjoying their casts and time together. Casters having fun makes it a lot of fun to watch as well. Good stuff.
On April 16 2012 11:38 hugman wrote: What the fuck kind of game was that? Sit on 2-base with 35 SCVs and do nothing?!!?!
How do you feel about the fact it was still somewhat close?
I just think it's funny that Jinro makes fun of Protoss for having so many crazy all-ins when he plays like this vs. Protoss Not to say this is a bad way to play, but he sure showed some crazy all-ins in games one and three lol.
enjoying the casters as well - love the role playing of units! The immortal 'you told me I could be whatever I wanted!' and the marines who quit because the job sucked These guys definitely sounded like they were having fun and like being out at a barcraft with friends.
The match left something to be desired though...as Bitterdam mentioned, Jinro seemed to me containing MC on 3 bases while he mined out his two...
chance look so bummed he didnt get to see sheth win!
..And missing a game in a league? Really? Dammit NASL, I want you to not fail so much. Stop being disappoint.
out of how many games at least a thousand over the last year+ they made this mistake once, i think your definition of much fail is a bit uh unrealistic
On April 16 2012 11:22 DarkPlasmaBall wrote: Jinro won game two only because he blindly countered MC's colossi tech with mass mass vikings. He never even scouted the tech.
And I'm sad to say that, because I wish I could attribute it to something more, but I really can't. MC outmacroed him pretty hard but Jinro just had the better unit composition- by complete coincidence.
You are an idiot and know nothing about starcraft.
Game 3 jinro vs mc didnt make sense to me. He shouldve been making scvs, his little "contain" was like im going to contain you to 3base while im on 2 as the casters said he didnt do any pressure really except for the banshees and i wouldve liked to see him like go up to the 3 ports and get more banshees instead of vikings or like set up bunkers but idk that was areally weird game.
On April 16 2012 11:22 DarkPlasmaBall wrote: Jinro won game two only because he blindly countered MC's colossi tech with mass mass vikings. He never even scouted the tech.
And I'm sad to say that, because I wish I could attribute it to something more, but I really can't. MC outmacroed him pretty hard but Jinro just had the better unit composition- by complete coincidence.
You are an idiot and know nothing about starcraft.
Well for us average level players, can you explain what made you sense that he was going colossus?
On April 16 2012 11:22 DarkPlasmaBall wrote: Jinro won game two only because he blindly countered MC's colossi tech with mass mass vikings. He never even scouted the tech.
And I'm sad to say that, because I wish I could attribute it to something more, but I really can't. MC outmacroed him pretty hard but Jinro just had the better unit composition- by complete coincidence.
I don't believe in the "by complete coincidence".
Keep in mind these two play and practice together a LOT. They know each other very well.
There very well could have been another clue that made Jinro believe MC was going Colo..
I would say you should reserve judgement unless Jinro himself says he randomly picked a tech path.
On April 16 2012 11:22 DarkPlasmaBall wrote: Jinro won game two only because he blindly countered MC's colossi tech with mass mass vikings. He never even scouted the tech.
And I'm sad to say that, because I wish I could attribute it to something more, but I really can't. MC outmacroed him pretty hard but Jinro just had the better unit composition- by complete coincidence.
You are an idiot and know nothing about starcraft.
On April 16 2012 11:22 DarkPlasmaBall wrote: Jinro won game two only because he blindly countered MC's colossi tech with mass mass vikings. He never even scouted the tech.
And I'm sad to say that, because I wish I could attribute it to something more, but I really can't. MC outmacroed him pretty hard but Jinro just had the better unit composition- by complete coincidence.
You are an idiot and know nothing about starcraft.
Can you please explain your decision to go vikings at that time then? Even the casters were pointing out your lack of scouting, and curious about your beneficial choice. How did you know he was going colossus tech? I'm interested in learning something about starcraft
Jinro won game two only because he blindly countered MC's colossi tech with mass mass vikings. He never even scouted the tech.
And I'm sad to say that, because I wish I could attribute it to something more, but I really can't. MC outmacroed him pretty hard but Jinro just had the better unit composition- by complete coincidence.
jinro's superior upgrades and macro in that game had nothing to do with it?
On April 16 2012 11:22 DarkPlasmaBall wrote: Jinro won game two only because he blindly countered MC's colossi tech with mass mass vikings. He never even scouted the tech.
And I'm sad to say that, because I wish I could attribute it to something more, but I really can't. MC outmacroed him pretty hard but Jinro just had the better unit composition- by complete coincidence.
You are an idiot and know nothing about starcraft.
lol
Jinro you played much better this TvP serie then others I have seen some months ago keep it up. Was close
On April 16 2012 11:22 DarkPlasmaBall wrote: Jinro won game two only because he blindly countered MC's colossi tech with mass mass vikings. He never even scouted the tech.
And I'm sad to say that, because I wish I could attribute it to something more, but I really can't. MC outmacroed him pretty hard but Jinro just had the better unit composition- by complete coincidence.
You are an idiot and know nothing about starcraft.
Can you please explain your decision to go vikings at that time then? Even the casters were pointing out your lack of scouting, and curious about your beneficial choice. How did you know he was going colossus tech? I'm interested in learning something about starcraft
Upgrade advantage, lots of medivacs, I felt comfortable that I could handle templars if he had any. So I made stuff to kill colossi if he made them.
I'm only annoyed because both comments I read from you in this thread were talking shit about me.
Especially since you said MC "outmacroed him pretty hard" when we had equal supply entire game.
On April 16 2012 11:45 Picklebread wrote: Game 3 jinro vs mc didnt make sense to me. He shouldve been making scvs, his little "contain" was like im going to contain you to 3base while im on 2 as the casters said he didnt do any pressure really except for the banshees and i wouldve liked to see him like go up to the 3 ports and get more banshees instead of vikings or like set up bunkers but idk that was areally weird game.
It wasnt a contain, I just couldnt attack yet but I was still going to allin.
Game 1 the lack of siege was 1) I wanted to catch stalkers before they could walk around 2) You cant siege on the ramp or your units wont get up =.=
On April 16 2012 11:22 DarkPlasmaBall wrote: Jinro won game two only because he blindly countered MC's colossi tech with mass mass vikings. He never even scouted the tech.
And I'm sad to say that, because I wish I could attribute it to something more, but I really can't. MC outmacroed him pretty hard but Jinro just had the better unit composition- by complete coincidence.
You are an idiot and know nothing about starcraft.
Can you please explain your decision to go vikings at that time then? Even the casters were pointing out your lack of scouting, and curious about your beneficial choice. How did you know he was going colossus tech? I'm interested in learning something about starcraft
Upgrade advantage, lots of medivacs, I felt comfortable that I could handle templars if he had any. So I made stuff to kill colossi if he made them.
I'm only annoyed because both comments I read from you in this thread were talking shit about me.
Especially since you said MC "outmacroed him pretty hard" when we had equal supply entire game.
I've been a huge fan since you were stomping face in GSL and I was crushed when you started to not do as well. I, an adult male, literally screamed a few times from the excitement I felt from seeing you play so awesome today. Go Jinro! <3
On April 16 2012 11:45 Picklebread wrote: Game 3 jinro vs mc didnt make sense to me. He shouldve been making scvs, his little "contain" was like im going to contain you to 3base while im on 2 as the casters said he didnt do any pressure really except for the banshees and i wouldve liked to see him like go up to the 3 ports and get more banshees instead of vikings or like set up bunkers but idk that was areally weird game.
Just because tanks were sieged doesn't mean Jinro was containing MC. He was waiting for vikings to engage.
On April 16 2012 11:22 DarkPlasmaBall wrote: Jinro won game two only because he blindly countered MC's colossi tech with mass mass vikings. He never even scouted the tech.
And I'm sad to say that, because I wish I could attribute it to something more, but I really can't. MC outmacroed him pretty hard but Jinro just had the better unit composition- by complete coincidence.
You are an idiot and know nothing about starcraft.
Can you please explain your decision to go vikings at that time then? Even the casters were pointing out your lack of scouting, and curious about your beneficial choice. How did you know he was going colossus tech? I'm interested in learning something about starcraft
Upgrade advantage, lots of medivacs, I felt comfortable that I could handle templars if he had any. So I made stuff to kill colossi if he made them.
I'm only annoyed because both comments I read from you in this thread were talking shit about me.
Especially since you said MC "outmacroed him pretty hard" when we had equal supply entire game.
Idk how you guys didnt think of this. He was pretty far ahead and he was thinking "okay the only unit that can really make a huge difference when i attack is if he gets some collossus and i didnt have any vikings so im going to make vikings to be safe for the collossus" thats the whole logic behind that and if mc did make like some collossus and had 2 there at that last engagement and jinro only had bio, mc could win that fight and suddenly be ahead.
On April 16 2012 11:22 DarkPlasmaBall wrote: Jinro won game two only because he blindly countered MC's colossi tech with mass mass vikings. He never even scouted the tech.
And I'm sad to say that, because I wish I could attribute it to something more, but I really can't. MC outmacroed him pretty hard but Jinro just had the better unit composition- by complete coincidence.
You are an idiot and know nothing about starcraft.
Can you please explain your decision to go vikings at that time then? Even the casters were pointing out your lack of scouting, and curious about your beneficial choice. How did you know he was going colossus tech? I'm interested in learning something about starcraft
Upgrade advantage, lots of medivacs, I felt comfortable that I could handle templars if he had any. So I made stuff to kill colossi if he made them.
I'm only annoyed because both comments I read from you in this thread were talking shit about me.
Especially since you said MC "outmacroed him pretty hard" when we had equal supply entire game.
Idk how you guys didnt think of this. He was pretty far ahead and he was thinking "okay the only unit that can really make a huge difference when i attack is if he gets some collossus and i didnt have any vikings so im going to make vikings to be safe for the collossus" thats the whole logic behind that and if mc did make like some collossus and had 2 there at that last engagement and jinro only had bio, mc could win that fight and suddenly be ahead.
On April 16 2012 11:22 DarkPlasmaBall wrote: Jinro won game two only because he blindly countered MC's colossi tech with mass mass vikings. He never even scouted the tech.
And I'm sad to say that, because I wish I could attribute it to something more, but I really can't. MC outmacroed him pretty hard but Jinro just had the better unit composition- by complete coincidence.
You are an idiot and know nothing about starcraft.
Can you please explain your decision to go vikings at that time then? Even the casters were pointing out your lack of scouting, and curious about your beneficial choice. How did you know he was going colossus tech? I'm interested in learning something about starcraft
Upgrade advantage, lots of medivacs, I felt comfortable that I could handle templars if he had any. So I made stuff to kill colossi if he made them.
I'm only annoyed because both comments I read from you in this thread were talking shit about me.
Especially since you said MC "outmacroed him pretty hard" when we had equal supply entire game.
Idk how you guys didnt think of this. He was pretty far ahead and he was thinking "okay the only unit that can really make a huge difference when i attack is if he gets some collossus and i didnt have any vikings so im going to make vikings to be safe for the collossus" thats the whole logic behind that and if mc did make like some collossus and had 2 there at that last engagement and jinro only had bio, mc could win that fight and suddenly be ahead.
That's why Jinro is the pro and they are not. ;-)
Pretty much sums up the whole conversation.
GG Jinro. I almost died from a heart attack game 3. Game 2 was dominance.
On April 16 2012 11:22 DarkPlasmaBall wrote: Jinro won game two only because he blindly countered MC's colossi tech with mass mass vikings. He never even scouted the tech.
And I'm sad to say that, because I wish I could attribute it to something more, but I really can't. MC outmacroed him pretty hard but Jinro just had the better unit composition- by complete coincidence.
You are an idiot and know nothing about starcraft.
It is so nice when you stay up to 5am even if you have work tomorrow just to come to TL to see how player you stayed to watch is acting towards people and possible fans. :/
EDIT: I still hope you win all next games in NASL!
On April 16 2012 11:22 DarkPlasmaBall wrote: Jinro won game two only because he blindly countered MC's colossi tech with mass mass vikings. He never even scouted the tech.
And I'm sad to say that, because I wish I could attribute it to something more, but I really can't. MC outmacroed him pretty hard but Jinro just had the better unit composition- by complete coincidence.
You are an idiot and know nothing about starcraft.
It is so nice when you stay up to 5am even if you have work tomorrow just to come to TL to see how player you stayed to watch is acting towards people and possible fans. :/
EDIT: I still hope you win all next games in NASL!
Maybe if every post I saw by him in this thread hadn't been basically saying "You are bad and lucky" I would have been nicer.
On April 16 2012 11:22 DarkPlasmaBall wrote: Jinro won game two only because he blindly countered MC's colossi tech with mass mass vikings. He never even scouted the tech.
And I'm sad to say that, because I wish I could attribute it to something more, but I really can't. MC outmacroed him pretty hard but Jinro just had the better unit composition- by complete coincidence.
You are an idiot and know nothing about starcraft.
It is so nice when you stay up to 5am even if you have work tomorrow just to come to TL to see how player you stayed to watch is acting towards people and possible fans. :/
EDIT: I still hope you win all next games in NASL!
In his defense, the original post by DarkPlasma was being pretty accusatory whilst being completely wrong as well. That along with the fact that he had just lost a frustrating close series can mean low tolerance for posts like that. Something I certainly wouldn't hold against the guy.
On April 16 2012 11:50 Liquid`Jinro wrote: Upgrade advantage, lots of medivacs, I felt comfortable that I could handle templars if he had any. So I made stuff to kill colossi if he made them.
I'm only annoyed because both comments I read from you in this thread were talking shit about me.
Especially since you said MC "outmacroed him pretty hard" when we had equal supply entire game.
Seemed like a totally normal response to me in game, though not entirely for sure, it was about that time where you'll want vikings anyways... definitely not by total coincidence.
ggs Jinro, I figure you took a game on your map choice so if Antiga was first map perhaps the series would have been different, and anyways they were good games all around anyways... The only thing I would have changed would be pulling all of my SCVs and going totally all in, but that's only my perspective and I'm guessing you wanted to have reinforcements since you had 3-1-1 for production...
anyways not the end of the world, MC's a great toss and you have the rest of the season :D you've been looking quite good recently, though not as much streaming, I'm sure due to travel. Anyways I look forward to seeing more of your performances soon! gl!
plain bad build game 1. your nice helion run in means nothing since you let mc outmacro you in the first place. and helion harrass is good if you dont all in and do it often. dumb fuk move breaking the rocks as it slowed your attack so much while letting mc see what you're up to and prepared for it. bad seige and bad tank targeting at the engagement. you let your tanks target the immortals instead of the stalkers in range so basically they did nothing.
game two i wish you played like that more often. but i was still a bit concerned when you delayed your attack since you're basically letting MC build up his colosus count and tempar energy. you need to stay aggressive and trade armies often vs protoss ala MKP. luckily you finally decide to engage when stoms are not yet ready. if you delayed that attack for 2 more seconds those HT's would have wrecked you clumped up army moving up the ramp.
game 3 you could have won man. if you only waited to converged your units at the bottom with your units ahead and land the vikings in advance and move with the mmm
i notice dood that you have good openings and scouting but you seem to lose during battles.
On April 16 2012 11:22 DarkPlasmaBall wrote: Jinro won game two only because he blindly countered MC's colossi tech with mass mass vikings. He never even scouted the tech.
And I'm sad to say that, because I wish I could attribute it to something more, but I really can't. MC outmacroed him pretty hard but Jinro just had the better unit composition- by complete coincidence.
You are an idiot and know nothing about starcraft.
It is so nice when you stay up to 5am even if you have work tomorrow just to come to TL to see how player you stayed to watch is acting towards people and possible fans. :/
EDIT: I still hope you win all next games in NASL!
In his defense, the original post by DarkPlasma was being pretty accusatory whilst being completely wrong as well. That along with the fact that he had just lost a frustrating close series can mean low tolerance for posts like that. Something I certainly wouldn't hold against the guy.
On April 16 2012 11:22 DarkPlasmaBall wrote: Jinro won game two only because he blindly countered MC's colossi tech with mass mass vikings. He never even scouted the tech.
And I'm sad to say that, because I wish I could attribute it to something more, but I really can't. MC outmacroed him pretty hard but Jinro just had the better unit composition- by complete coincidence.
You are an idiot and know nothing about starcraft.
It is so nice when you stay up to 5am even if you have work tomorrow just to come to TL to see how player you stayed to watch is acting towards people and possible fans. :/
EDIT: I still hope you win all next games in NASL!
Maybe if every post I saw by him in this thread hadn't been basically saying "You are bad and lucky" I would have been nicer.
Everyone, even so called fans, can be judgmental and full of overwhelming criticism that can come out as totally negative and we all know average stream watcher's StarCraft knowledge is far away from "perfect" so there's no need to be so mean.
Anyway, as I said, I hope Jinro wins all his future games and I'll be there to watch it.
On April 16 2012 11:22 DarkPlasmaBall wrote: Jinro won game two only because he blindly countered MC's colossi tech with mass mass vikings. He never even scouted the tech.
And I'm sad to say that, because I wish I could attribute it to something more, but I really can't. MC outmacroed him pretty hard but Jinro just had the better unit composition- by complete coincidence.
You are an idiot and know nothing about starcraft.
It is so nice when you stay up to 5am even if you have work tomorrow just to come to TL to see how player you stayed to watch is acting towards people and possible fans. :/
EDIT: I still hope you win all next games in NASL!
In his defense, the original post by DarkPlasma was being pretty accusatory whilst being completely wrong as well. That along with the fact that he had just lost a frustrating close series can mean low tolerance for posts like that. Something I certainly wouldn't hold against the guy.
On April 16 2012 11:22 DarkPlasmaBall wrote: Jinro won game two only because he blindly countered MC's colossi tech with mass mass vikings. He never even scouted the tech.
And I'm sad to say that, because I wish I could attribute it to something more, but I really can't. MC outmacroed him pretty hard but Jinro just had the better unit composition- by complete coincidence.
You are an idiot and know nothing about starcraft.
It is so nice when you stay up to 5am even if you have work tomorrow just to come to TL to see how player you stayed to watch is acting towards people and possible fans. :/
EDIT: I still hope you win all next games in NASL!
Maybe if every post I saw by him in this thread hadn't been basically saying "You are bad and lucky" I would have been nicer.
Everyone, even so called fans, can be judgmental and full of overwhelming criticism that can come out as totally negative and we all know average stream watcher's StarCraft knowledge is far away from "perfect" so there's no need to be so mean.
Anyway, as I said, I hope Jinro wins all his future games and I'll be there to watch it.
Good games today, had bunch of fun! :-)
Ok, you are right and I apoligize. Shouldnt read threads right after losing.
On April 16 2012 11:22 DarkPlasmaBall wrote: Jinro won game two only because he blindly countered MC's colossi tech with mass mass vikings. He never even scouted the tech.
And I'm sad to say that, because I wish I could attribute it to something more, but I really can't. MC outmacroed him pretty hard but Jinro just had the better unit composition- by complete coincidence.
You are an idiot and know nothing about starcraft.
It is so nice when you stay up to 5am even if you have work tomorrow just to come to TL to see how player you stayed to watch is acting towards people and possible fans. :/
EDIT: I still hope you win all next games in NASL!
In his defense, the original post by DarkPlasma was being pretty accusatory whilst being completely wrong as well. That along with the fact that he had just lost a frustrating close series can mean low tolerance for posts like that. Something I certainly wouldn't hold against the guy.
On April 16 2012 12:01 Liquid`Jinro wrote:
On April 16 2012 11:59 whiterabbit wrote:
On April 16 2012 11:44 Liquid`Jinro wrote:
On April 16 2012 11:22 DarkPlasmaBall wrote: Jinro won game two only because he blindly countered MC's colossi tech with mass mass vikings. He never even scouted the tech.
And I'm sad to say that, because I wish I could attribute it to something more, but I really can't. MC outmacroed him pretty hard but Jinro just had the better unit composition- by complete coincidence.
You are an idiot and know nothing about starcraft.
It is so nice when you stay up to 5am even if you have work tomorrow just to come to TL to see how player you stayed to watch is acting towards people and possible fans. :/
EDIT: I still hope you win all next games in NASL!
Maybe if every post I saw by him in this thread hadn't been basically saying "You are bad and lucky" I would have been nicer.
Everyone, even so called fans, can be judgmental and full of overwhelming criticism that can come out as totally negative and we all know average stream watcher's StarCraft knowledge is far away from "perfect" so there's no need to be so mean.
Anyway, as I said, I hope Jinro wins all his future games and I'll be there to watch it.
Good games today, had bunch of fun! :-)
Ok, you are right and I apoligize. Shouldnt read threads right after losing.
<3 Good luck and have fun! Hope I catch you streaming these days!
On April 16 2012 12:23 RotterdaM wrote: glad you guys enjoyed it <3 ;D we had fun and some sick games, happy day, nice to have 2 days off, time to save my ladder record ;((
I just want to say that I can't wait for Wednesday, NASL best decision was to bring you and Bitter to the team together with live or almost live games... so awesome! :-)
On April 16 2012 11:22 DarkPlasmaBall wrote: Jinro won game two only because he blindly countered MC's colossi tech with mass mass vikings. He never even scouted the tech.
And I'm sad to say that, because I wish I could attribute it to something more, but I really can't. MC outmacroed him pretty hard but Jinro just had the better unit composition- by complete coincidence.
You are an idiot and know nothing about starcraft.
Warning for that? Yo, this trolling is funny doh, you see how this is teamliquid.com and that is LIQUID Jinro and y'all are just up in his face about some of his plays when nobody could even hold MC's jockstrap let alone take a "lucky" game off him?
I'm tired of people acting like if foreigner beat a Korean its all just LUCK. In Jinro's case it's skill, believe me.
How did Jinro "just happened to have the right stuff to counter that colosses" when he knew it was coming, it's called gamer sense and that's what he said in a nutshell. Good for Jinro for standing up for himself.
NASL is just about the fun casting, exciting (not necessarily world-class) Starcraft and awesome community. Some gamers take this too seriously, why not just support Jinro and not try all this Monday Morning Quarterbacking that tears him down... I have love for you Jinro keep on doing what you do and improvin your skills you'll make the playoffs at least!
LOL...the only Terran foreigners in the past 9 months who have been able to take games off MC are Cloud and Thorzain (who is just so nasty in TvP I swear never to bet against him again). Jinro did a fantastic read that game. Goodness you guys can be ruthless against one your sworn "heroes".
Bitter and Rotti totally dominated the cast tonight :D Time for us to hit the ladder on our day off
noooo, been waiting the whole day for the EU rebroadcast (so glad you are doing those for season 3!), I'll just wait and see when it's coming back online
On April 17 2012 03:45 Sein wrote: It feels like Puzzle's been on a losing streak against foreigners lately...
Puzzle's been struggling loads recently, he seems to be confused by strange things his GSL RO8 matches are the best indicator where gumiho and jjakji didn't play that well but they played in a really funky fashion which puzzle never had an answer for and ended up embarassing himself, he's great at dime a dozen standard protoss but against things he's not prepared for he seems to go into full panic and comes up with a terrible response to it.
I watch NASL mainly because of RotterdaM and MrBitter. My favorite casting duo! Keep up the good work and all the side shows. Great stuff and nice matches as well.
first jinro game : The strategies and mindgame was perfect. The execution tho... shocked me. That was not just a micro mistake or sloppy it was ... just shocking.
first game when i saw the micro moves, not a single all of them, i serious thought i am watching a diamond/plat terran. loosing a scout to a zelot? dont micro the banhsee sit idle with an allin army in middle of the map and dont attack the rocks siege up way to late, dont micro your marines at all....
On April 17 2012 04:22 b0rt_ wrote: haha nasl is miles better with Bitterdam
Still only 5k europeans tuning in though.
I count 7.2k? Not bad for a show that is on every day (assuming at least as many people are watching the US broadcast also).
It gets ~10k each night for the original broadcast.
You'll also have to take into account that not everyone is watching the streams live. I for example watched the recording of the original broadcast on their twitch-page, instead of waiting for their EU-broadcast because it was more convenient for me. I'm sure that they count the hits on those videos as well. And then there are those, who'll wait until the vods appear on youtube.
PLEASE broadcast monday through friday if you have 5 divisions. Thrusday through Monday just makes little sense and means that I will most likely only watch 2 out of 5 days because Friday through Sunday you compete with LAN-events and party time.
On April 17 2012 05:51 Hens wrote: Best thing Nasl ever did was hire Bitterdam, they are such a great casting duo and a sick improvement for the Nasl broadcasts.
They are pretty amazing, for sure.
Also, pretty amusing..just when i decided to hand over my moneys to NASL for a season pass the stream shat itself :p maybe my money was cursed? Oh well, good stuff nevertheless!
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. I have the same predictions with sheth winning.
