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[GSTL] 2012 Season 1 Pennant Race Group A Match 3 - Page 42
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neoghaleon55
United States7435 Posts
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Bibbit
Canada5377 Posts
On March 10 2012 06:43 neoghaleon55 wrote: MKP is top tier now? :O? Yes he is. | ||
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neoghaleon55
United States7435 Posts
I don't know...I can't see him handling long games very well against the likes of IMMVP, DRG, MMA or Genius. I guess I'm siding with Artosis in regards to "better macro games = less randomness = better indication of skill" | ||
opterown
Australia54784 Posts
80% TvT, 80% TvP is better than DRG's stats this year in those matchups. TvZ is questionable, but that's only because Losira and DongRaeGu have his number there (most of his TvZ losses are to DRG/Losira lol) MKP rolled aLive and Puma, who both beat MMA. | ||
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neoghaleon55
United States7435 Posts
On March 10 2012 07:02 opterown wrote: MKP arguably #2 player in the world, man. 80% TvT, 80% TvP is better than DRG's stats this year in those matchups. TvZ is questionable, but that's only because Losira and DongRaeGu have his number there (most of his TvZ losses are to DRG/Losira lol) MKP rolled aLive and Puma, who both beat MMA. calling stats on just this year alone (only 2 months and 10 days) is kind of silly. Should take account of at least 3 months time. | ||
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opterown
Australia54784 Posts
On March 10 2012 07:04 neoghaleon55 wrote: calling stats on just this year alone (only 2 months and 10 days) is kind of silly. Should take account of at least 3 months time. I reckon ~50 or so games in each matchup is a pretty good sample. The only game MKP played in the last few days of last year was a 2-1 of Boxer in Boxer's best matchup, and a 4-kill of StarTale, rolling through Ace, Sound, Parting, and July MKP definitely top tier edit: 50 not 80 haha | ||
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MONXY FIST
United States142 Posts
On March 10 2012 07:08 opterown wrote: I reckon 80 or so games in each matchup is a pretty good sample. The only game MKP played in the last few days of last year was a 2-1 of Boxer in Boxer's best matchup, and a 4-kill of StarTale, rolling through Ace, Sound, Parting, and July MKP definitely top tier Ignore him he is just salty that his boy DRG lost to MKP at MLG. He kept on calling two rax cheese and making excuses for DRG losing. Also MarineKing can play late game just fine. Although i do think DRG and MMA are better then him. | ||
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neoghaleon55
United States7435 Posts
On March 10 2012 07:08 opterown wrote: I reckon 80 or so games in each matchup is a pretty good sample. The only game MKP played in the last few days of last year was a 2-1 of Boxer in Boxer's best matchup, and a 4-kill of StarTale, rolling through Ace, Sound, Parting, and July MKP definitely top tier 80 games? where did you get this number from? The quality of opponents also counts, too. Not just quantity. | ||
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SeaSwift
Scotland4486 Posts
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opterown
Australia54784 Posts
On March 10 2012 07:11 neoghaleon55 wrote: 80 games? where did you get this number from? The quality of opponents also counts, too. Not just quantity. Oops, rechecked that, average 50 games. MKP is 42-9 in TvP (82%), 25-8 in TvT (75%) and 45-30 in TvZ (and 20 of those zerg losses are to DRG and Losira, so he'd be 45-10, 82% otherwise) Notable records of MKP this year against some of the best PvT: Oz 4-2 Genius 3-2 Parting, Puzzle 3-0 MC, Sage, Huk, Nani 2-0 Tod 4-0 Jjakji, Supernova 4-2 Polt 3-2 alive, happy, ganzi 2-0 ^ some very solid tvt there, but MKP is untested against MVP or MMA thus far. I think he'd hold up well. Leenock 5-1 and a rather abysmal 5-11 against DRG and 6-8 against Losira  If those aren't impressive records against top players, i don't know what are :D note that I'm actually not arguing that MKP is number 1 (i think DRG is 1), but MKP definitely 2nd or 3rd | ||
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SeaSwift
Scotland4486 Posts
On March 10 2012 07:17 opterown wrote: Oops, rechecked that, average 50 games. MKP is 42-9 in TvP, 25-8 in TvT and 45-30 in TvZ (and 20 of those zerg losses are to DRG and Losira, so he'd be 45-10 otherwise) Notable records of MKP this year: Oz 4-2 Genius 3-2 Parting, Puzzle 3-0 MC, Sage, Huk, Nani 2-0 Tod 4-0 Jjakji, Supernova 4-2 Polt 3-2 alive, happy, ganzi 2-0 If those aren't impressive records against top players, i don't know what are :D note that I'm actually not arguing that MKP is number 1 (i think DRG is 1), but MKP definitely 2 or 3rd As an MC fanboy, I'd like to mention that he only faced MC at HSC4, when they had both already passed their group and decided to put on a show. For the record, one of those 2 games included a Carriers vs Battlecruisers fight. I don't think the games against MC can be included. | ||
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opterown
Australia54784 Posts
On March 10 2012 07:19 SeaSwift wrote: As an MC fanboy, I'd like to mention that he only faced MC at HSC4, when they had both already passed their group and decided to put on a show. For the record, one of those 2 games included a Carriers vs Battlecruisers fight. I don't think the games against MC can be included. Rightio, he's only about 80% tvp without MC's games then. Although I remember MC saying he was most afraid of facing MKP out of the people in the Group of Death. | ||
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neoghaleon55
United States7435 Posts
I know. Maybe I am salty. Go MKP! <3 by the way I just realized there was an invisible DT Inca in the banner! Quite hilarious. | ||
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SeaSwift
Scotland4486 Posts
On March 10 2012 07:20 opterown wrote: Rightio, he's only about 80% tvp without MC's games then. Although I remember MC saying he was most afraid of facing MKP out of the people in the Group of Death. Yeah. I don't think it can be denied that MKP is a top tier player at the moment. | ||
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Canucklehead
Canada5074 Posts
 His mech TvT still leaves a lot to be desired because every time I see him try that, he takes a lead then blows it away by thinking his mech is bio and trading inefficiently and getting impatient by moving out with too few units, like he did against bomber in IPL. With MKP being solid in all matchups now, I think he's a top 5 terran. | ||
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redloser
Korea (South)1749 Posts
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Chunhyang
Bangladesh1389 Posts
Monster, he's such a dangerous player. On the level of BboongBboong and Vines. Individiually they aren't much, but the possibility that they multi-kill in team play is so high! | ||
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Chunhyang
Bangladesh1389 Posts
On March 10 2012 05:22 Canucklehead wrote: The best player in the world does it again! It's a good thing drg skipped iem because MVP needs him for the vegas trip! Also, this frees up DRG to go to MLG columbus now as MVP advances to the ro4! Now hoping Prime wins tonight so MKP can also go to columbus cause if prime loses he'll most likely skip out on MLG to play in an elimination gstl match that weekend. Nice! | ||
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neoghaleon55
United States7435 Posts
I find it hilarious when Khaldor read off the statistics yesterday to reveal that DRG's weakest matchup is ZvT... While MMA's BY FAR strongest matchup is TvZ... Regardless, I can't wait for DRG to meet MMA again in the GSL...a score needs to be settled... | ||
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jmbthirteen
United States10734 Posts
On March 10 2012 10:40 neoghaleon55 wrote: I think it was on state of the game that LiquidNony/Tyler stated that good players can be judged by how they handle mirror matches. Lately MMA's mirrors haven't been so hot. Consider that TvT is probably the most stable of the 3 mirror matches, having MMA losing to both Puma (who doesn't even train in korea anymore) and aLive is a bit disheartening. MMA's still a beast though...with that 14:0 win streak at IEM...still I think if you have to compare DRG and MMA, DRG's better overall. I find it hilarious when Khaldor read off the statistics yesterday to reveal that DRG's weakest matchup is ZvT... While MMA's BY FAR strongest matchup is TvZ... Regardless, I can't wait for DRG to meet MMA again in the GSL...a score needs to be settled... Where do you get your information? Puma trains in the same house as MMA. | ||
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