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[IPL] FC11: HerO vs ThorZaIN - Page 12

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openbox1
Profile Joined March 2011
1393 Posts
February 19 2012 02:55 GMT
#221
Thorzain just plays so passive when he goes for the macro. I know you can't drop a 2 base toss, but one scan? Also why does he absolutely refuse to get two bunkers instead of just one? That's cost him some mining time every time he pulls scvs...
KicKDoG
Profile Joined December 2003
Sweden765 Posts
February 19 2012 02:55 GMT
#222
On February 19 2012 11:52 scarper65 wrote:
I wonder what thorzain could've done better to hold that push.


having more bunkers, and focus target the right units! and perhaps scout a bit better. But that happens ;{
http://www.twitter.com/KicKDoG_LoL baylife plox?
scarper65
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
1560 Posts
February 19 2012 02:56 GMT
#223
On February 19 2012 11:54 Recoil wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 19 2012 11:52 scarper65 wrote:
I wonder what thorzain could've done better to hold that push.


He already had 3 CCs, which is very greedy, so he wouldve needed to scout it coming earlier throw up more bunkers and go vikings before medivacs. Still even with that it would be a difficult hold.

Would throwing done 2 or more barracks instead of a starport have been better? If I remember correctly he only had two medivacs with two vikings on the way when the push hit. Could he have held that if he had a ridiculous amount of marine marauder instead of trying to get a late starport?
xongnox
Profile Joined November 2011
540 Posts
February 19 2012 02:57 GMT
#224
On February 19 2012 11:52 scarper65 wrote:
I wonder what thorzain could've done better to hold that push.


you can try to build like 4 bunkers, puts marauds in, and repair them until you got enough vikings.
Cyro
Profile Blog Joined June 2011
United Kingdom20299 Posts
February 19 2012 02:58 GMT
#225
On February 19 2012 11:56 scarper65 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 19 2012 11:54 Recoil wrote:
On February 19 2012 11:52 scarper65 wrote:
I wonder what thorzain could've done better to hold that push.


He already had 3 CCs, which is very greedy, so he wouldve needed to scout it coming earlier throw up more bunkers and go vikings before medivacs. Still even with that it would be a difficult hold.

Would throwing done 2 or more barracks instead of a starport have been better? If I remember correctly he only had two medivacs with two vikings on the way when the push hit. Could he have held that if he had a ridiculous amount of marine marauder instead of trying to get a late starport?


Probably, but that is just going to kill you 5 minutes later when Hero pulls back and comes back with 3-6 colossi and you have only a few if any vikings
"oh my god my overclock... I got a single WHEA error on the 23rd hour, 9 minutes" -Belial88
Gator
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
United States3432 Posts
February 19 2012 02:59 GMT
#226
+2 building armor solves all problems
TSM
Recoil
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States276 Posts
February 19 2012 02:59 GMT
#227
On February 19 2012 11:56 scarper65 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 19 2012 11:54 Recoil wrote:
On February 19 2012 11:52 scarper65 wrote:
I wonder what thorzain could've done better to hold that push.


He already had 3 CCs, which is very greedy, so he wouldve needed to scout it coming earlier throw up more bunkers and go vikings before medivacs. Still even with that it would be a difficult hold.

Would throwing done 2 or more barracks instead of a starport have been better? If I remember correctly he only had two medivacs with two vikings on the way when the push hit. Could he have held that if he had a ridiculous amount of marine marauder instead of trying to get a late starport?


If you delay the starport tech any further you may end up too far behind on tech to catch up even if you hold the first push.
Cyro
Profile Blog Joined June 2011
United Kingdom20299 Posts
February 19 2012 02:59 GMT
#228
On February 19 2012 11:40 scarper65 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 19 2012 11:38 Cyro wrote:
On February 19 2012 11:32 scarper65 wrote:
On February 19 2012 11:29 Cyro wrote:
On February 19 2012 11:29 scarper65 wrote:
2rax against nexus first. Looks like this might be a build order win for thorzain.


Far from it, there is no build order win vs nexus first on bigger maps such as Shakuras. If it is held the game will be even or hero will be ahead most likely

So even though Hero lost a nexus the game is even? Especially when he went nexus first?



Hero does not usually loose nexus vs 2rax when playing nexus first, i said that before any engagement happened

What do you mean by "Hero does not usually loose nexus." He lost it, which put him at an extreme disadvantage, which ended with him losing the game.



Dude, i wrote that like 3 minutes before the nexus fell. I said it was not a build order win and "If it is held the game will be even or hero will be ahead most likely".

Nexus fell, so it was not held.

From hero's previous games, and replays, he holds 2 rax using nexus first all the time
"oh my god my overclock... I got a single WHEA error on the 23rd hour, 9 minutes" -Belial88
Zorgaz
Profile Joined June 2010
Sweden2951 Posts
February 19 2012 03:00 GMT
#229
Oh no this isn't looking good, no extra Orbital and no Ebays =/.

Dt's looking scary
Furthermore, I think the Collosi should be removed! (Zorgaz -Terran/AbrA-Random/Zorg-Dota2) Guineapigs <3
Zorgaz
Profile Joined June 2010
Sweden2951 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-02-19 03:02:01
February 19 2012 03:00 GMT
#230
Man Build a RAVEN!


And he did!? OMG ThorZaIN so SMART

Sorry for double post, got excited ^^
Furthermore, I think the Collosi should be removed! (Zorgaz -Terran/AbrA-Random/Zorg-Dota2) Guineapigs <3
Badfatpanda
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States9719 Posts
February 19 2012 03:02 GMT
#231
Where is Drazerk, if he's missing this I'll be a sad panda
Music is a higher revelation than all wisdom and philosophy. -Beethoven | Mech isn't a build, it's a way of life. -MajOr | Charlie.Sheen: "What is sarcastic, kids who have no courage to fight?" | #TerranPride #yolo #swag -Naama after 2-0'ing MC at HSC VI
WniO
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
United States2706 Posts
February 19 2012 03:04 GMT
#232
WHAT how come i cant do that on the ladder
Zorgaz
Profile Joined June 2010
Sweden2951 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-02-19 03:08:05
February 19 2012 03:07 GMT
#233
Amazed that Hero could hold the 1-1-1 with a raven with a DT Expand so well
Furthermore, I think the Collosi should be removed! (Zorgaz -Terran/AbrA-Random/Zorg-Dota2) Guineapigs <3
procyonlotor
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
Italy473 Posts
February 19 2012 03:08 GMT
#234
I feel like ThorZaiN is getting his comeuppance for using this build.
KicKDoG
Profile Joined December 2003
Sweden765 Posts
February 19 2012 03:09 GMT
#235
That last game was hmhm. I think thorzain threw a lot of units away in his 2 pushs for hero's expand.

anyway another nerve biting game gj hero taking that one
http://www.twitter.com/KicKDoG_LoL baylife plox?
MrCon
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
France29748 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-02-19 03:10:46
February 19 2012 03:10 GMT
#236
On February 19 2012 12:02 Badfatpanda wrote:
Where is Drazerk, if he's missing this I'll be a sad panda

He just went to sleep after a night of dota 2 and me shouting on every one despite me being the noob xD
Mycl
Profile Joined November 2010
Australia1370 Posts
February 19 2012 03:10 GMT
#237
Did Thorzain not research stim? 111 is pretty weak without stim
xajukx
Profile Joined June 2011
Canada325 Posts
February 19 2012 03:10 GMT
#238
the first 1-1-1 had some marauders mixed in which makes it a lot scarier than the standard variation imo.
caradoc
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
Canada3022 Posts
February 19 2012 03:10 GMT
#239
On February 19 2012 12:07 Zorgaz wrote:
Amazed that Hero could hold the 1-1-1 with a raven with a DT Expand so well


yeah, seriously, no small feat
Salvation a la mode and a cup of tea...
Badfatpanda
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States9719 Posts
February 19 2012 03:10 GMT
#240
On February 19 2012 12:07 Zorgaz wrote:
Amazed that Hero could hold the 1-1-1 with a raven with a DT Expand so well


Tzain waited WAY too long to press the choke after scouting a DT expo. The raven was up and he let HerO get a robo up and time to chrono an immortal before he actually chose to engage, with only 2 tanks he could have sped things up a bit.
Music is a higher revelation than all wisdom and philosophy. -Beethoven | Mech isn't a build, it's a way of life. -MajOr | Charlie.Sheen: "What is sarcastic, kids who have no courage to fight?" | #TerranPride #yolo #swag -Naama after 2-0'ing MC at HSC VI
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