On March 18 2012 08:01 mememolly wrote: damn, so manner from grubby, but stephano is inside that dude's mind
Not really, Stephano is just pretty much unbeatable in PvZ
Non-Korean PvZ anyway.
Genius would crush him in PvZ though I think
Both MC and Genius would slaughter him. Other than that, I don't know of any Protoss who I would confidently put against Stephano. Oz was beaten by him on ladder a few times... Parting, maybe?
I think most korean toss would beat stephano. I'm still not sold on stephano's zvp. It only looks good because of the competition he faces. To me his zvp is untested against top protosses.
Watch his replay pack from the korean GM league and then come back
Thanks, but I don't need to watch ladder games as that's not much of an indication of anything really. Tourney play is when people play seriously. Foreign toss just play too passive against him and let him get away with being greedy. Korean tosses would punish him for that.
On March 18 2012 08:05 Misanthrope wrote: But...Grubby...nooooo! :/
I want to see a Protoss who can consistently beat Stephano. Its basically just frustrating to watch any tournament with him in it and cheer for the Protoss. I always get pumped up when the people I cheer for win, but its just pure absolute sadness watching Stephano.
MC
Probably PartinG, Creator and some other Code A+ Korean Toss'
Stpehano would bitch slap them Im 100% sure. What I saw Stephano do to the top protoss on the korean GM was unbeliveble. He was just crushing them.
Ladder ≠ Lan, just sayin' also shout out to Stephano's 0-4 record against MC
Also, not hatin' I think Stephano is an amazing player but people over hype his ladder play and his ZvP when he has played against very few Korean Protoss at lan.
On March 18 2012 08:13 Paperplane wrote: Well at least Destiny discovered his weakness this tournament. Drop defense, work on that and he should be pretty solid.
It's not drop defense, it's his multitasking that's extremely poor. Unfortunately there's not much you can do to improve that when you've played/practiced as much as destiny has.
On March 18 2012 08:01 mememolly wrote: damn, so manner from grubby, but stephano is inside that dude's mind
Not really, Stephano is just pretty much unbeatable in PvZ
Non-Korean PvZ anyway.
Genius would crush him in PvZ though I think
Both MC and Genius would slaughter him. Other than that, I don't know of any Protoss who I would confidently put against Stephano. Oz was beaten by him on ladder a few times... Parting, maybe?
I think most korean toss would beat stephano. I'm still not sold on stephano's zvp. It only looks good because of the competition he faces. To me his zvp is untested against top protosses.
Watch his replay pack from the korean GM league and then come back
Thanks, but I don't need to watch ladder games as that's not much of an indication of anything really. Tourney play is when people play seriously. Foreign toss just play too passive against him and let him get away with being greedy. Korean tosses would punish him for that.
In Korea top masters/GM, ladder play is actually a fair indication. Sure, people don't test out their sneaky new builds, but other than that the standard play is bloody competitive.
On March 18 2012 08:01 mememolly wrote: damn, so manner from grubby, but stephano is inside that dude's mind
Not really, Stephano is just pretty much unbeatable in PvZ
Non-Korean PvZ anyway.
Genius would crush him in PvZ though I think
Both MC and Genius would slaughter him. Other than that, I don't know of any Protoss who I would confidently put against Stephano. Oz was beaten by him on ladder a few times... Parting, maybe?
I think most korean toss would beat stephano. I'm still not sold on stephano's zvp. It only looks good because of the competition he faces. To me his zvp is untested against top protosses.
Watch his replay pack from the korean GM league and then come back
Did he put losses in his replay pack or only games he won?
On March 18 2012 08:05 Misanthrope wrote: But...Grubby...nooooo! :/
I want to see a Protoss who can consistently beat Stephano. Its basically just frustrating to watch any tournament with him in it and cheer for the Protoss. I always get pumped up when the people I cheer for win, but its just pure absolute sadness watching Stephano.
MC
Probably PartinG, Creator and some other Code A+ Korean Toss'
Stpehano would bitch slap them Im 100% sure. What I saw Stephano do to the top protoss on the korean GM was unbeliveble. He was just crushing them.
Ladder ≠ Lan, just sayin' also shout out to Stephano's 0-4 record against MC
Also, not hatin' I think Stephano is an amazing player but people over hype his ladder play and his ZvP when he has played against very few Korean Protoss at lan.
Technically it is 0-5, if you include BlizzCup
Yeah, Stephano isn't that great in terms of the top 32 in Korea, protoss or not.
On March 18 2012 08:05 Misanthrope wrote: But...Grubby...nooooo! :/
I want to see a Protoss who can consistently beat Stephano. Its basically just frustrating to watch any tournament with him in it and cheer for the Protoss. I always get pumped up when the people I cheer for win, but its just pure absolute sadness watching Stephano.
MC
Probably PartinG, Creator and some other Code A+ Korean Toss'
Stpehano would bitch slap them Im 100% sure. What I saw Stephano do to the top protoss on the korean GM was unbeliveble. He was just crushing them.
Ladder ≠ Lan, just sayin' also shout out to Stephano's 0-4 record against MC
Also, not hatin' I think Stephano is an amazing player but people over hype his ladder play and his ZvP when he has played against very few Korean Protoss at lan.
On March 18 2012 08:01 mememolly wrote: damn, so manner from grubby, but stephano is inside that dude's mind
Not really, Stephano is just pretty much unbeatable in PvZ
Non-Korean PvZ anyway.
Genius would crush him in PvZ though I think
Both MC and Genius would slaughter him. Other than that, I don't know of any Protoss who I would confidently put against Stephano. Oz was beaten by him on ladder a few times... Parting, maybe?
I think most korean toss would beat stephano. I'm still not sold on stephano's zvp. It only looks good because of the competition he faces. To me his zvp is untested against top protosses.
Watch his replay pack from the korean GM league and then come back
Thanks, but I don't need to watch ladder games as that's not much of an indication of anything really. Tourney play is when people play seriously. Foreign toss just play too passive against him and let him get away with being greedy. Korean tosses would punish him for that.
In Korea top masters/GM, ladder play is actually a fair indication. Sure, people don't test out their sneaky new builds, but other than that the standard play is bloody competitive.
EPT
