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dragonborn
4781 Posts
On February 13 2012 19:53 Toppp wrote: Haha, no. Puzzle is far from top 3 protoss, and didn't show any results in 2011. won a GSL code A and played round of 8 in last GSL. This make you top 3 protoss since MC is only protoss/GSL champion... and yet again he is in round of 8 GSL. | ||
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Hall0wed
United States8486 Posts
On February 13 2012 19:50 dragonborn wrote: Are you kidding me? Puzzle is probably top 3 protoss since 2011.He is always been good and beating top players. Eh Puzzle isn't top 3 Toss but you should just ignore that guy. I have seen his posts before, he is just a troll/balance whiner. | ||
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RPR_Tempest
Australia7798 Posts
On February 13 2012 19:53 Toppp wrote: Haha, no. Puzzle is far from top 3 protoss, and didn't show any results in 2011. He won Code A in 2011 and got two all-kills in the ZOTAC team invitational. And Puzzle being far from Top 3? Ridiculous. Top 3, no. Far from it, no. MC, Oz, Genius, PartinG...who else is there? | ||
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Zdrastochye
Ivory Coast6262 Posts
On February 13 2012 19:55 Fionn wrote: Puzzle won Code A and was in the quarterfinals last season. No Protoss in 2011 even made a GSL final except for MC and Inca. Puzzle is easily a top five Protoss and is right there with MC, Parting, Oz and Genius. How can you call Genius top 5? Sure when he's hot he's hot, but he slumped for an entire year before returning to form? Far too inconsistent. I'd say HerO would take a "top 5" spot over Genius. | ||
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Oboeman
Canada3980 Posts
...who else is there? Hongun and inca, definitely | ||
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Hall0wed
United States8486 Posts
Top 3 right there. | ||
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HolyArrow
United States7116 Posts
On February 13 2012 19:55 Fionn wrote: Puzzle won Code A and was in the quarterfinals last season. No Protoss in 2011 even made a GSL final except for MC and Inca. Puzzle is easily a top five Protoss and is right there with MC, Parting, Oz and Genius. Agreed. People shouldn't delude themselves into implied balance whining by stating the skill level of the Protoss players that beat strong Terrans as being lower than it actually is. Puzzle is a very strong, albeit, inconsistent player. In fact, I'd say that MC, Parting, Oz, Genius, and Puzzle is a perfect list of top 5 Protoss right now. No surprise that they can beat top Terrans since they are also top players. | ||
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VoirDire
Sweden1923 Posts
On February 13 2012 19:53 Toppp wrote: Haha, no. Puzzle is far from top 3 protoss, and didn't show any results in 2011. To be fair, he won Code A and he's doing really well in code S currently. | ||
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GreyKnight
United States4720 Posts
On February 13 2012 19:56 RPR_Tempest wrote: He won Code A in 2011 and got two all-kills in the ZOTAC team invitational. And Puzzle being far from Top 3? Ridiculous. Top 3, no. Far from it, no. MC, Oz, Genius, PartinG...who else is there? I'm not disagreeing but Puzzle doesn't seem to play very well in macro games. He's riding on the protoss metagame and doing constant all ins. I dunno I feel like he's a very weak player and will fall out to Code A next season unless he really changes it up. | ||
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AxionSteel
United States7754 Posts
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dragonborn
4781 Posts
On February 13 2012 19:58 GreyKnight wrote: I'm not disagreeing but Puzzle doesn't seem to play very well in macro games. He's riding on the protoss metagame and doing constant all ins. I dunno I feel like he's a very weak player and will fall out to Code A next season unless he really changes it up. did you see Polt vs Puzzle @taldarim altar? Puzzle have strong macro and game sense.Also SuperNoVa vs Puzzle @DayBreak,one of the best unit control i've ever seen. | ||
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HolyArrow
United States7116 Posts
On February 13 2012 19:57 Zdrastochye wrote: How can you call Genius top 5? Sure when he's hot he's hot, but he slumped for an entire year before returning to form? Far too inconsistent. I'd say HerO would take a "top 5" spot over Genius. Strongly disagree. HerO has yet to even do well in Code A while Genius currently has a hitlist that includes DRG, Nestea, MKP, and sC. That is a damn impressive hitlist. Genius clearly has shown through some amazing decisionmaking and calm play that he has great control of his nerves in the both, something that HerO has clearly lacked. Don't get me wrong - I like HerO and he's an amazing player when his nerves aren't killing him. He's capable of hanging with the best when he's playing his best. But Genius has shown the mental strength to excel in Code S, while HerO flounders in Code A. HerO has a ways to go in terms of mental toughness before he's ready to tackle the GSL. | ||
Shellshock
United States97276 Posts
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Zdrastochye
Ivory Coast6262 Posts
On February 13 2012 20:00 HolyArrow wrote: Strongly disagree. HerO has yet to even do well in Code A while Genius currently has a hitlist that includes DRG, Nestea, MKP, and sC. That is a damn impressive hitlist. Genius clearly has shown through some amazing decisionmaking and calm play that he has great control of his nerves in the both, something that HerO has clearly lacked. Don't get me wrong - I like HerO and he's an amazing player when his nerves aren't killing him. He's capable of hanging with the best when he's playing his best. But Genius has shown the mental strength to excel in Code S, while HerO flounders in Code A. HerO has a ways to go in terms of mental toughness before he's ready to tackle the GSL. Alright then I counter your Genius argument with Naniwa. Yet another struggling code A, but has beat all those you mentioned before (not sure about sC) AND has beaten MVP. Or even Huk. I'm not calling Genius bad, but I reallllly don't think he's deserving of top 5 unless you only highlight his play in 1 month out of like 15. | ||
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Asha
United Kingdom38257 Posts
On February 13 2012 19:59 AxionSteel wrote: Puzzle is arguably top 3, don't see how he could be rated any worse than the likes of Genius. Puzzle is a top 3 toss right now for sure. Back to back r8's in the GSL, top 3 (min) of this etc He's still getting rolled by DRG though xD | ||
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HolyArrow
United States7116 Posts
On February 13 2012 19:58 GreyKnight wrote: I'm not disagreeing but Puzzle doesn't seem to play very well in macro games. He's riding on the protoss metagame and doing constant all ins. I dunno I feel like he's a very weak player and will fall out to Code A next season unless he really changes it up. I do think that Puzzle can be rather cheesy and really enjoys his all-ins. But he's won a Code A and has gotten deep in the GSL in the past, while he's currently in the Ro8 fresh off of 2-0ing his Ro16 group, so while you may not like his style of play, there's no denying that it's effective. His epic 5th game against Polt also showed that he's perfectly capable of strong macro games. He's getting stomped by DRG right now, but hey, DRG is the best Zerg in the world at the moment, no shame in losing to such a great player  | ||
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Shellshock
United States97276 Posts
On February 13 2012 20:03 Asha` wrote: Puzzle is a top 3 toss right now for sure. Back to back r8's in the GSL, top 3 (min) of this etc He's still getting rolled by DRG though xD shit with the way DRG has been playing I'm not too surprised, even if this was 3 weeks - 1 month ago. This guy is on fucking fire lately | ||
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Oboeman
Canada3980 Posts
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FakeDeath
Malaysia6060 Posts
On February 13 2012 20:03 Zdrastochye wrote: Currently based on recent performance,Genius would definitely take the top 5.Hero is barely Code A and he did not even qualify out of his group at IEM Kiev.His performance recently is not being good whereas Genius is performing well in the GSL Code S. Strongly disagree. HerO has yet to even do well in Code A while Genius currently has a hitlist that includes DRG, Nestea, MKP, and sC. That is a damn impressive hitlist. Genius clearly has shown through some amazing decisionmaking and calm play that he has great control of his nerves in the both, something that HerO has clearly lacked. Don't get me wrong - I like HerO and he's an amazing player when his nerves aren't killing him. He's capable of hanging with the best when he's playing his best. But Genius has shown the mental strength to excel in Code S, while HerO flounders in Code A. HerO has a ways to go in terms of mental toughness before he's ready to tackle the GSL. | ||
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jjhchsc2
Korea (South)2393 Posts
are you guys so epic to bring us this awesome event! :D Hoping for DRG vs MKP final!! going to have to sleep soon  | ||
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