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Rulker
Profile Blog Joined January 2012
United States1477 Posts
February 12 2012 03:37 GMT
#241
On February 12 2012 12:32 TankinShit wrote:
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On February 12 2012 12:26 Rulker wrote:
On February 12 2012 12:25 TankinShit wrote:
On February 12 2012 12:22 Rulker wrote:
On February 12 2012 12:20 clementdudu wrote:
On February 12 2012 12:16 Aocowns wrote:
On February 12 2012 12:13 TankinShit wrote:
Long time lurker.

I can't believe the skill gap between Europeans and America. It's outstanding. EG just can't keep up with euro teams despite them having 0 koreans (almost). It's kind of interesting, one could almost derive that staying in euro makes you go pro as opposed to the whole Korea idea, because seriously, ThorZaiN mopped the floor with IdrA. And Incontrol got shat on as per normilia.


The Idra vs Tzain showed no skill what so ever, really. Idra went for an all in, and Tzain blind countered it >_< Disappointing games :/

so blind countering all in is early triple orbital?

Triple orbital for high economy into fast tank for defense is a blind counter, yes. if he had gone medivacs he would have lost.


Lolwut. Thorzain went triple expand and he held off an all-in that should have theoretically killed him outright. Idra's timings were pretty wrong (as sheth stated he didnt do it correctly), he then A-moved into glory. Thorzain had ONE tank on the cliff, it didnt even occur to idra not to go towards it or bring one overlord.

Outplayed is the word we are looking for.


outplayed = build order when, then


nop, could have been build order LOSS for thorzain, and I bet the Idra fan boys would have done two things;

1. ignore the fact Idra all-in'd , whereas if idra got all-in'd they'd say (HE JUST GOT ALL-IN'D WASN'T EVEN A GAME ONEONEON@#!@#
2. would say thorzain played too greedy

thorzain outright OWNED idra, incontrol got SHAT on

I stand by my words



and by your words your an imbecile
Heaton31
Profile Joined October 2010
United States323 Posts
February 12 2012 03:38 GMT
#242
Seems like EG has been extremely terrible as of late. After all the money being spent on these players there certainly haven't been any results to back it up. Once the pro circuit starts back up it'll be interesting to see if all of the talk they do ever really amounts to anything.
Rulker
Profile Blog Joined January 2012
United States1477 Posts
February 12 2012 03:38 GMT
#243
On February 12 2012 12:36 nam nam wrote:
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On February 12 2012 12:26 Rulker wrote:
On February 12 2012 12:25 TankinShit wrote:
On February 12 2012 12:22 Rulker wrote:
On February 12 2012 12:20 clementdudu wrote:
On February 12 2012 12:16 Aocowns wrote:
On February 12 2012 12:13 TankinShit wrote:
Long time lurker.

I can't believe the skill gap between Europeans and America. It's outstanding. EG just can't keep up with euro teams despite them having 0 koreans (almost). It's kind of interesting, one could almost derive that staying in euro makes you go pro as opposed to the whole Korea idea, because seriously, ThorZaiN mopped the floor with IdrA. And Incontrol got shat on as per normilia.


The Idra vs Tzain showed no skill what so ever, really. Idra went for an all in, and Tzain blind countered it >_< Disappointing games :/

so blind countering all in is early triple orbital?

Triple orbital for high economy into fast tank for defense is a blind counter, yes. if he had gone medivacs he would have lost.


Lolwut. Thorzain went triple expand and he held off an all-in that should have theoretically killed him outright. Idra's timings were pretty wrong (as sheth stated he didnt do it correctly), he then A-moved into glory. Thorzain had ONE tank on the cliff, it didnt even occur to idra not to go towards it or bring one overlord.

Outplayed is the word we are looking for.


outplayed = build order when, then

You can outplay someone and it can still be a build order win. One does not exclude the other. You have to actually watch and judge each game by the merits. If idra executed his build poorly and thorzain his with crisp precision, I have no problem with anyone saying he got outplayed (I'm not saying that was neccesarily the case)

fair enough, i respect that
MrCon
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
France29748 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-02-12 03:48:42
February 12 2012 03:39 GMT
#244
On February 12 2012 12:33 Aocowns wrote:
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On February 12 2012 12:31 MrCon wrote:
On February 12 2012 12:20 CeriseCherries wrote:
On February 12 2012 12:02 Aocowns wrote:
On February 12 2012 11:59 DDie wrote:
On February 12 2012 11:56 Aocowns wrote:
On February 12 2012 11:54 DDie wrote:
On February 12 2012 11:48 Phobbers wrote:
On February 12 2012 11:46 s4life wrote:
Lol.. that was so pathetic by Idra.... a game that would really make you re-evaluate your career up to this point.. he's so freaking predictable, robotic.

Predictable? Robotic? Yeah, those are terms I would use to describe Idra in terms of his macro and going for the macro game. But saying those things when he did an all-in? Not at all.


He started the game with the mindset of going allin, when he saw that siege mode was finished he should have turned around and go for a straight game, he would be behind, but have a chance, but since he can't adapt(robotic) he still tried to bust the front, he threw the game right there

That was an all-in. You can't come back from something like that against a player like Tzain, I think. So good siege timing ;o



Yes it would be hard, but trying to fight the ramp with siege was the only choice that had 0% of winning.

The alternative would be to fall back on 33 drones and no Lair to try and play a straight game against a terran macro opening... Idra would not have won that, unless Tzain killed his own CC, walked 20 marines over 2 bling bombs, and left his tanks in the middle of the map to be plucked by mutas, while he had his marines on /dance in heart formation outside his base

EDIT: Now that would be a sight to see

yah, you have to hope that thorzain has his pants down. older Idra would probably have left without even all-inning, so in terms of progress, its some -.-

its just people shit on him for playing macro all day, and shit he all ins for having bad mindset -.-
Come on >< People don't care he allins, people care that they want to see him play the freaking game, and not just seeing a tank and still amoving his army to oblivion.
100% of the other zerg players would have continued to play that game. They would have microed, stationed their roaches behind the mineral line out of range of the tanks, delayed some mining while droning, well at least tried something. The tank opening has no marine and no medivac, he was behind but not so behind that a superior skill can't overcome the deficit.

Even if he did do that, Tzain was ahead on tech, and waaaay ahead on economy. As I previously said, he would fall back on 33 drones and no Lair against triple orbital... A comeback like that would be close to impossible against a player like Tzain, I think

But he can take a 3rd as Thor will not have map presence for a lot of minutes, he can drone freely and be at 70 drones in like what, 3 minutes, and he already has an army to defend immediate hellion harass. He has a bane nest, a roach warren, he's behind yes, but you can't rationalize leaving the game when you're behind as a normal thing. Idra has certainly the skill to win from such a situation.
Ruscour
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
5233 Posts
February 12 2012 03:39 GMT
#245
Expected result.
Ruscour
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
5233 Posts
February 12 2012 03:39 GMT
#246
On February 12 2012 12:37 Rulker wrote:
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On February 12 2012 12:32 TankinShit wrote:
On February 12 2012 12:26 Rulker wrote:
On February 12 2012 12:25 TankinShit wrote:
On February 12 2012 12:22 Rulker wrote:
On February 12 2012 12:20 clementdudu wrote:
On February 12 2012 12:16 Aocowns wrote:
On February 12 2012 12:13 TankinShit wrote:
Long time lurker.

I can't believe the skill gap between Europeans and America. It's outstanding. EG just can't keep up with euro teams despite them having 0 koreans (almost). It's kind of interesting, one could almost derive that staying in euro makes you go pro as opposed to the whole Korea idea, because seriously, ThorZaiN mopped the floor with IdrA. And Incontrol got shat on as per normilia.


The Idra vs Tzain showed no skill what so ever, really. Idra went for an all in, and Tzain blind countered it >_< Disappointing games :/

so blind countering all in is early triple orbital?

Triple orbital for high economy into fast tank for defense is a blind counter, yes. if he had gone medivacs he would have lost.


Lolwut. Thorzain went triple expand and he held off an all-in that should have theoretically killed him outright. Idra's timings were pretty wrong (as sheth stated he didnt do it correctly), he then A-moved into glory. Thorzain had ONE tank on the cliff, it didnt even occur to idra not to go towards it or bring one overlord.

Outplayed is the word we are looking for.


outplayed = build order when, then


nop, could have been build order LOSS for thorzain, and I bet the Idra fan boys would have done two things;

1. ignore the fact Idra all-in'd , whereas if idra got all-in'd they'd say (HE JUST GOT ALL-IN'D WASN'T EVEN A GAME ONEONEON@#!@#
2. would say thorzain played too greedy

thorzain outright OWNED idra, incontrol got SHAT on

I stand by my words



and by your words your an imbecile

And by "your", you're an idiot.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Muphry's_law
Rybaia
Profile Joined May 2011
Italy213 Posts
February 12 2012 03:41 GMT
#247
Idra executed that all in pretty poorly for a guy that is known for his great mechanics. Very disappointed by EG.
TankinShit
Profile Joined February 2012
Belize8 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-02-12 03:41:52
February 12 2012 03:41 GMT
#248
On February 12 2012 12:37 Rulker wrote:
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On February 12 2012 12:32 TankinShit wrote:
On February 12 2012 12:26 Rulker wrote:
On February 12 2012 12:25 TankinShit wrote:
On February 12 2012 12:22 Rulker wrote:
On February 12 2012 12:20 clementdudu wrote:
On February 12 2012 12:16 Aocowns wrote:
On February 12 2012 12:13 TankinShit wrote:
Long time lurker.

I can't believe the skill gap between Europeans and America. It's outstanding. EG just can't keep up with euro teams despite them having 0 koreans (almost). It's kind of interesting, one could almost derive that staying in euro makes you go pro as opposed to the whole Korea idea, because seriously, ThorZaiN mopped the floor with IdrA. And Incontrol got shat on as per normilia.


The Idra vs Tzain showed no skill what so ever, really. Idra went for an all in, and Tzain blind countered it >_< Disappointing games :/

so blind countering all in is early triple orbital?

Triple orbital for high economy into fast tank for defense is a blind counter, yes. if he had gone medivacs he would have lost.


Lolwut. Thorzain went triple expand and he held off an all-in that should have theoretically killed him outright. Idra's timings were pretty wrong (as sheth stated he didnt do it correctly), he then A-moved into glory. Thorzain had ONE tank on the cliff, it didnt even occur to idra not to go towards it or bring one overlord.

Outplayed is the word we are looking for.


outplayed = build order when, then


nop, could have been build order LOSS for thorzain, and I bet the Idra fan boys would have done two things;

1. ignore the fact Idra all-in'd , whereas if idra got all-in'd they'd say (HE JUST GOT ALL-IN'D WASN'T EVEN A GAME ONEONEON@#!@#
2. would say thorzain played too greedy

thorzain outright OWNED idra, incontrol got SHAT on

I stand by my words



and by your words your an imbecile


*you're

if you are going to insult someone poking at their intellectual capacity - atleast try to make yourself seem smart in some manner or the other.


You talkin' to me? You talkin to me?
Aocowns
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
Norway6070 Posts
February 12 2012 03:43 GMT
#249
On February 12 2012 12:41 Rybaia wrote:
Idra executed that all in pretty poorly for a guy that is known for his great mechanics. Very disappointed by EG.

I doubt he gave much of a crap about this, really :/ Which is really annoying, cus Idra vs Tzain could have been quite the match if it went to the macro game
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Vento7
Profile Joined April 2011
Brazil45 Posts
February 12 2012 03:44 GMT
#250
On February 12 2012 12:35 Severian wrote:
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On February 12 2012 12:33 Aocowns wrote:
On February 12 2012 12:31 MrCon wrote:
On February 12 2012 12:20 CeriseCherries wrote:
On February 12 2012 12:02 Aocowns wrote:
On February 12 2012 11:59 DDie wrote:
On February 12 2012 11:56 Aocowns wrote:
On February 12 2012 11:54 DDie wrote:
On February 12 2012 11:48 Phobbers wrote:
On February 12 2012 11:46 s4life wrote:
Lol.. that was so pathetic by Idra.... a game that would really make you re-evaluate your career up to this point.. he's so freaking predictable, robotic.

Predictable? Robotic? Yeah, those are terms I would use to describe Idra in terms of his macro and going for the macro game. But saying those things when he did an all-in? Not at all.


He started the game with the mindset of going allin, when he saw that siege mode was finished he should have turned around and go for a straight game, he would be behind, but have a chance, but since he can't adapt(robotic) he still tried to bust the front, he threw the game right there

That was an all-in. You can't come back from something like that against a player like Tzain, I think. So good siege timing ;o



Yes it would be hard, but trying to fight the ramp with siege was the only choice that had 0% of winning.

The alternative would be to fall back on 33 drones and no Lair to try and play a straight game against a terran macro opening... Idra would not have won that, unless Tzain killed his own CC, walked 20 marines over 2 bling bombs, and left his tanks in the middle of the map to be plucked by mutas, while he had his marines on /dance in heart formation outside his base

EDIT: Now that would be a sight to see

yah, you have to hope that thorzain has his pants down. older Idra would probably have left without even all-inning, so in terms of progress, its some -.-

its just people shit on him for playing macro all day, and shit he all ins for having bad mindset -.-
Come on >< People don't care he allins, people care that they want to see him play the freaking game, and not just seeing a tank and still amoving his army to oblivion.
100% of the other zerg players would have continued to play that game. They would have microed, stationed their roaches behind the mineral line out of range of the tanks, delayed some mining while droning, well at least tried something. The tank opening has no marine and no medivac, he was behind but not so behind that a superior skill can't overcome the deficit.

Even if he did do that, Tzain was ahead on tech, and waaaay ahead on economy. As I previously said, he would fall back on 33 drones and no Lair against triple orbital... A comeback like that would be close to impossible against a player like Tzain, I think

Comebacks never happen if you never try, yeah.
DeMusliM got 2 bunkers with 2 reapers in viOLet's natural in the last game. The problem is that he forgot to wall-in (forgot to build the last depot), so the hopeless ling counter by viOLet actually won the game. Next day he beats Ret and SuperNoVa to win the tournament.
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xXFireandIceXx
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
Canada4296 Posts
February 12 2012 03:50 GMT
#251
On February 12 2012 12:39 MrCon wrote:
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On February 12 2012 12:33 Aocowns wrote:
On February 12 2012 12:31 MrCon wrote:
On February 12 2012 12:20 CeriseCherries wrote:
On February 12 2012 12:02 Aocowns wrote:
On February 12 2012 11:59 DDie wrote:
On February 12 2012 11:56 Aocowns wrote:
On February 12 2012 11:54 DDie wrote:
On February 12 2012 11:48 Phobbers wrote:
On February 12 2012 11:46 s4life wrote:
Lol.. that was so pathetic by Idra.... a game that would really make you re-evaluate your career up to this point.. he's so freaking predictable, robotic.

Predictable? Robotic? Yeah, those are terms I would use to describe Idra in terms of his macro and going for the macro game. But saying those things when he did an all-in? Not at all.


He started the game with the mindset of going allin, when he saw that siege mode was finished he should have turned around and go for a straight game, he would be behind, but have a chance, but since he can't adapt(robotic) he still tried to bust the front, he threw the game right there

That was an all-in. You can't come back from something like that against a player like Tzain, I think. So good siege timing ;o



Yes it would be hard, but trying to fight the ramp with siege was the only choice that had 0% of winning.

The alternative would be to fall back on 33 drones and no Lair to try and play a straight game against a terran macro opening... Idra would not have won that, unless Tzain killed his own CC, walked 20 marines over 2 bling bombs, and left his tanks in the middle of the map to be plucked by mutas, while he had his marines on /dance in heart formation outside his base

EDIT: Now that would be a sight to see

yah, you have to hope that thorzain has his pants down. older Idra would probably have left without even all-inning, so in terms of progress, its some -.-

its just people shit on him for playing macro all day, and shit he all ins for having bad mindset -.-
Come on >< People don't care he allins, people care that they want to see him play the freaking game, and not just seeing a tank and still amoving his army to oblivion.
100% of the other zerg players would have continued to play that game. They would have microed, stationed their roaches behind the mineral line out of range of the tanks, delayed some mining while droning, well at least tried something. The tank opening has no marine and no medivac, he was behind but not so behind that a superior skill can't overcome the deficit.

Even if he did do that, Tzain was ahead on tech, and waaaay ahead on economy. As I previously said, he would fall back on 33 drones and no Lair against triple orbital... A comeback like that would be close to impossible against a player like Tzain, I think

But he can take a 3rd as Thor will not have map presence for a lot of minutes, he can drone freely and be at 70 drones in like what, 3 minutes, and he already has an army to defend immediate hellion harass. He has a bane nest, a roach warren, he's behind yes, but you can't rationalize leaving the game when you're behind as a normal thing. Idra has certainly the skill to win from such a situation.

Well put. It's the basic mentality of the game. Sometimes you got to stick it through the tough times to appear victorious at the other end of the tunnel. Idra just quits halfway when the lights go out. You gotta keep fighting and keep going. Only with that drive can you achieve excellence.
Rulker
Profile Blog Joined January 2012
United States1477 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-02-12 03:53:57
February 12 2012 03:52 GMT
#252
On February 12 2012 12:39 Ruscour wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 12 2012 12:37 Rulker wrote:
On February 12 2012 12:32 TankinShit wrote:
On February 12 2012 12:26 Rulker wrote:
On February 12 2012 12:25 TankinShit wrote:
On February 12 2012 12:22 Rulker wrote:
On February 12 2012 12:20 clementdudu wrote:
On February 12 2012 12:16 Aocowns wrote:
On February 12 2012 12:13 TankinShit wrote:
Long time lurker.

I can't believe the skill gap between Europeans and America. It's outstanding. EG just can't keep up with euro teams despite them having 0 koreans (almost). It's kind of interesting, one could almost derive that staying in euro makes you go pro as opposed to the whole Korea idea, because seriously, ThorZaiN mopped the floor with IdrA. And Incontrol got shat on as per normilia.


The Idra vs Tzain showed no skill what so ever, really. Idra went for an all in, and Tzain blind countered it >_< Disappointing games :/

so blind countering all in is early triple orbital?

Triple orbital for high economy into fast tank for defense is a blind counter, yes. if he had gone medivacs he would have lost.


Lolwut. Thorzain went triple expand and he held off an all-in that should have theoretically killed him outright. Idra's timings were pretty wrong (as sheth stated he didnt do it correctly), he then A-moved into glory. Thorzain had ONE tank on the cliff, it didnt even occur to idra not to go towards it or bring one overlord.

Outplayed is the word we are looking for.


outplayed = build order when, then


nop, could have been build order LOSS for thorzain, and I bet the Idra fan boys would have done two things;

1. ignore the fact Idra all-in'd , whereas if idra got all-in'd they'd say (HE JUST GOT ALL-IN'D WASN'T EVEN A GAME ONEONEON@#!@#
2. would say thorzain played too greedy

thorzain outright OWNED idra, incontrol got SHAT on

I stand by my words



and by your words your an imbecile

And by "your", you're an idiot.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Muphry's_law

the fact that you correct spelling on the internet shows that you cant come up with any arguments to win an argument

"if you write anything criticizing editing or proofreading, there will be a fault of some kind in what you have written"v"if you write anything criticizing editing or proofreading, there will be a fault of some kind in what you have written""if you write anything criticizing editing or proofreading, there will be a fault of some kind in what you have written""if you write anything criticizing editing or proofreading, there will be a fault of some kind in what you have written""if you write anything criticizing editing or proofreading, there will be a fault of some kind in what you have written"

good thing i didnt correct his spelling bro
KalWarkov
Profile Blog Joined December 2011
Germany4126 Posts
February 12 2012 03:54 GMT
#253
On February 12 2012 12:37 Rulker wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 12 2012 12:32 TankinShit wrote:
On February 12 2012 12:26 Rulker wrote:
On February 12 2012 12:25 TankinShit wrote:
On February 12 2012 12:22 Rulker wrote:
On February 12 2012 12:20 clementdudu wrote:
On February 12 2012 12:16 Aocowns wrote:
On February 12 2012 12:13 TankinShit wrote:
Long time lurker.

I can't believe the skill gap between Europeans and America. It's outstanding. EG just can't keep up with euro teams despite them having 0 koreans (almost). It's kind of interesting, one could almost derive that staying in euro makes you go pro as opposed to the whole Korea idea, because seriously, ThorZaiN mopped the floor with IdrA. And Incontrol got shat on as per normilia.


The Idra vs Tzain showed no skill what so ever, really. Idra went for an all in, and Tzain blind countered it >_< Disappointing games :/

so blind countering all in is early triple orbital?

Triple orbital for high economy into fast tank for defense is a blind counter, yes. if he had gone medivacs he would have lost.


Lolwut. Thorzain went triple expand and he held off an all-in that should have theoretically killed him outright. Idra's timings were pretty wrong (as sheth stated he didnt do it correctly), he then A-moved into glory. Thorzain had ONE tank on the cliff, it didnt even occur to idra not to go towards it or bring one overlord.

Outplayed is the word we are looking for.


outplayed = build order when, then


nop, could have been build order LOSS for thorzain, and I bet the Idra fan boys would have done two things;

1. ignore the fact Idra all-in'd , whereas if idra got all-in'd they'd say (HE JUST GOT ALL-IN'D WASN'T EVEN A GAME ONEONEON@#!@#
2. would say thorzain played too greedy

thorzain outright OWNED idra, incontrol got SHAT on

I stand by my words



and by your words your an imbecile


well, its kind of unfair to judge incontrol on his performance against mouz. ofc hes not rdy for that yet, maybe he never will be.
IdrA's fanboys on the other hand just ignore everything bad idra does. a real fan would stand for their player even if they have bad showings, they wouldnt completly denie them. theres a difference between being a fan and being ignorant and dumb.

I'm a demuslim fanboy, and if he loses, whatever! i know he isnt the greastest player yet, some ppl see him as overrated even, may it be so. im sure he has the potential to do great things, that he probably has some issues other players dont have, but i dont care. That doesnt make me say that he showed a stunning performance at IEM but got unlucky, i say he played decent, couldve done better and with little mistakes being dealt with, he couldve made top 3 or even the finals.
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Rulker
Profile Blog Joined January 2012
United States1477 Posts
February 12 2012 03:56 GMT
#254
On February 12 2012 12:54 KalWarkov wrote:
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On February 12 2012 12:37 Rulker wrote:
On February 12 2012 12:32 TankinShit wrote:
On February 12 2012 12:26 Rulker wrote:
On February 12 2012 12:25 TankinShit wrote:
On February 12 2012 12:22 Rulker wrote:
On February 12 2012 12:20 clementdudu wrote:
On February 12 2012 12:16 Aocowns wrote:
On February 12 2012 12:13 TankinShit wrote:
Long time lurker.

I can't believe the skill gap between Europeans and America. It's outstanding. EG just can't keep up with euro teams despite them having 0 koreans (almost). It's kind of interesting, one could almost derive that staying in euro makes you go pro as opposed to the whole Korea idea, because seriously, ThorZaiN mopped the floor with IdrA. And Incontrol got shat on as per normilia.


The Idra vs Tzain showed no skill what so ever, really. Idra went for an all in, and Tzain blind countered it >_< Disappointing games :/

so blind countering all in is early triple orbital?

Triple orbital for high economy into fast tank for defense is a blind counter, yes. if he had gone medivacs he would have lost.


Lolwut. Thorzain went triple expand and he held off an all-in that should have theoretically killed him outright. Idra's timings were pretty wrong (as sheth stated he didnt do it correctly), he then A-moved into glory. Thorzain had ONE tank on the cliff, it didnt even occur to idra not to go towards it or bring one overlord.

Outplayed is the word we are looking for.


outplayed = build order when, then


nop, could have been build order LOSS for thorzain, and I bet the Idra fan boys would have done two things;

1. ignore the fact Idra all-in'd , whereas if idra got all-in'd they'd say (HE JUST GOT ALL-IN'D WASN'T EVEN A GAME ONEONEON@#!@#
2. would say thorzain played too greedy

thorzain outright OWNED idra, incontrol got SHAT on

I stand by my words



and by your words your an imbecile


well, its kind of unfair to judge incontrol on his performance against mouz. ofc hes not rdy for that yet, maybe he never will be.
IdrA's fanboys on the other hand just ignore everything bad idra does. a real fan would stand for their player even if they have bad showings, they wouldnt completly denie them. theres a difference between being a fan and being ignorant and dumb.

I'm a demuslim fanboy, and if he loses, whatever! i know he isnt the greastest player yet, some ppl see him as overrated even, may it be so. im sure he has the potential to do great things, that he probably has some issues other players dont have, but i dont care. That doesnt make me say that he showed a stunning performance at IEM but got unlucky, i say he played decent, couldve done better and with little mistakes being dealt with, he couldve made top 3 or even the finals.

idra sucked that game ya, doesnt mean thor outplayed him. your saying that you realized demu played bad in macro gaems vs violet

im saying that people insinuating that idra is horrible and thorzain is multiple times better in a game where idra got a bo loss and was miles behind a game where idra (arguably could have staged a comeback) was outplayed

big difference
MooMooMugi
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
United States10531 Posts
February 12 2012 03:58 GMT
#255
EG really underperforming in these clan wars :\
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Mazer
Profile Joined April 2008
Canada1086 Posts
February 12 2012 04:05 GMT
#256
USA USA USA!!!
dpL
Profile Joined May 2011
Sweden571 Posts
February 12 2012 04:12 GMT
#257
Nice one, Mouz.
Purple Haze
Profile Joined December 2011
United Kingdom200 Posts
February 12 2012 04:16 GMT
#258
On February 12 2012 12:56 Rulker wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 12 2012 12:54 KalWarkov wrote:
On February 12 2012 12:37 Rulker wrote:
On February 12 2012 12:32 TankinShit wrote:
On February 12 2012 12:26 Rulker wrote:
On February 12 2012 12:25 TankinShit wrote:
On February 12 2012 12:22 Rulker wrote:
On February 12 2012 12:20 clementdudu wrote:
On February 12 2012 12:16 Aocowns wrote:
On February 12 2012 12:13 TankinShit wrote:
Long time lurker.

I can't believe the skill gap between Europeans and America. It's outstanding. EG just can't keep up with euro teams despite them having 0 koreans (almost). It's kind of interesting, one could almost derive that staying in euro makes you go pro as opposed to the whole Korea idea, because seriously, ThorZaiN mopped the floor with IdrA. And Incontrol got shat on as per normilia.


The Idra vs Tzain showed no skill what so ever, really. Idra went for an all in, and Tzain blind countered it >_< Disappointing games :/

so blind countering all in is early triple orbital?

Triple orbital for high economy into fast tank for defense is a blind counter, yes. if he had gone medivacs he would have lost.


Lolwut. Thorzain went triple expand and he held off an all-in that should have theoretically killed him outright. Idra's timings were pretty wrong (as sheth stated he didnt do it correctly), he then A-moved into glory. Thorzain had ONE tank on the cliff, it didnt even occur to idra not to go towards it or bring one overlord.

Outplayed is the word we are looking for.


outplayed = build order when, then


nop, could have been build order LOSS for thorzain, and I bet the Idra fan boys would have done two things;

1. ignore the fact Idra all-in'd , whereas if idra got all-in'd they'd say (HE JUST GOT ALL-IN'D WASN'T EVEN A GAME ONEONEON@#!@#
2. would say thorzain played too greedy

thorzain outright OWNED idra, incontrol got SHAT on

I stand by my words



and by your words your an imbecile


well, its kind of unfair to judge incontrol on his performance against mouz. ofc hes not rdy for that yet, maybe he never will be.
IdrA's fanboys on the other hand just ignore everything bad idra does. a real fan would stand for their player even if they have bad showings, they wouldnt completly denie them. theres a difference between being a fan and being ignorant and dumb.

I'm a demuslim fanboy, and if he loses, whatever! i know he isnt the greastest player yet, some ppl see him as overrated even, may it be so. im sure he has the potential to do great things, that he probably has some issues other players dont have, but i dont care. That doesnt make me say that he showed a stunning performance at IEM but got unlucky, i say he played decent, couldve done better and with little mistakes being dealt with, he couldve made top 3 or even the finals.

idra sucked that game ya, doesnt mean thor outplayed him. your saying that you realized demu played bad in macro gaems vs violet

im saying that people insinuating that idra is horrible and thorzain is multiple times better in a game where idra got a bo loss and was miles behind a game where idra (arguably could have staged a comeback) was outplayed

big difference


Which build order exactly would it have matched up well with then? It's not like he got proxy 2raxed while waiting for his roaches, there was one tank out.
sansvoix
Profile Joined July 2010
Norway7 Posts
February 12 2012 04:17 GMT
#259
Seriously, why does EG get so much attention? I just don't get it. I see a lot of their members in all kinds of "shows" where they are strongly opinionated, critique other teams/players and make predictions for upcoming events. This is just so dumb when they never seem to deliever in major events. I perceive team EG as an organization centered around having "profiles" who, in my opinion, get a lot of undeserved attention.
jvo
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States122 Posts
February 12 2012 04:24 GMT
#260
On February 12 2012 13:17 sansvoix wrote:
Seriously, why does EG get so much attention? I just don't get it. I see a lot of their members in all kinds of "shows" where they are strongly opinionated, critique other teams/players and make predictions for upcoming events. This is just so dumb when they never seem to deliever in major events. I perceive team EG as an organization centered around having "profiles" who, in my opinion, get a lot of undeserved attention.


agreed lol
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