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DAFNE
Profile Joined December 2011
49 Posts
February 11 2012 18:25 GMT
#861
On February 12 2012 03:24 ceaRshaf wrote:
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On February 12 2012 03:23 SkyTheUnknown wrote:
25k viewers. Pretty good.


I still feel something is wrong when big tournaments don't make significantly more than top streaming players.


Remember that's only the Englisch stream. Carmac said there are 4 different streams for the event.
TheHova
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
United Kingdom2612 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-02-11 18:27:06
February 11 2012 18:26 GMT
#862
On February 12 2012 03:23 Talin wrote:
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On February 12 2012 03:22 TheHova wrote:
On February 12 2012 03:21 hrvoje07 wrote:
We know that ret is good player, but do we have to praise him for his macro in a one base game with 20 drones


Was thinking the same haha, i think anybody could keep their minerals and gas low on 1 base. It's when he's got all his drones out and still macroing like a god that it's impressive.


Not in ZvZ when you have to constantly watch everywhere for Baneling detonations It's kinda hard to hit the perfect timings


I played Zerg until a high masters level. It's really not that difficult to macro on 1 and 2 base. :/

Don't get me wrong, Ret is a macro beast. I agree with this sentiment entirely. But on 1 base it's not difficult. Where's when he's on 4,5,6 bases it is.
Talin
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
Montenegro10532 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-02-11 18:28:31
February 11 2012 18:26 GMT
#863
On February 12 2012 03:23 Chicane wrote:
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On February 12 2012 03:22 MrMercuG wrote:
On February 12 2012 03:22 Chicane wrote:
Wow Violet outplayed Ret, but he lost. Amirite?


Uh... No.


He out microed him time and time again. He kept taking less damage from those banelings. Clearly he outplayed Ret. :-|


Hmm, I'd say game 2 was even at best (for Violet). Then again in Game 1 Ret outmicroed Violet hard and Violet still won. Building up small advantages matters a lot in ZvZ, but you still can lose just by timing one decision wrong.


On February 12 2012 03:26 TheHova wrote:
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On February 12 2012 03:23 Talin wrote:
On February 12 2012 03:22 TheHova wrote:
On February 12 2012 03:21 hrvoje07 wrote:
We know that ret is good player, but do we have to praise him for his macro in a one base game with 20 drones


Was thinking the same haha, i think anybody could keep their minerals and gas low on 1 base. It's when he's got all his drones out and still macroing like a god that it's impressive.


Not in ZvZ when you have to constantly watch everywhere for Baneling detonations It's kinda hard to hit the perfect timings


I played Zerg until a high masters level. It's really not that difficult to macro on 1 and 2 base. :/


Pretty sure ling/bling micro isn't this intense at Masters level. Anyways, as far as I've seen having perfect injects is really rare in pro level ZvZ for that exact reason.

(just like what we've seen right now )
mememolly
Profile Joined December 2011
4765 Posts
February 11 2012 18:26 GMT
#864
On February 12 2012 03:26 TheHova wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 12 2012 03:23 Talin wrote:
On February 12 2012 03:22 TheHova wrote:
On February 12 2012 03:21 hrvoje07 wrote:
We know that ret is good player, but do we have to praise him for his macro in a one base game with 20 drones


Was thinking the same haha, i think anybody could keep their minerals and gas low on 1 base. It's when he's got all his drones out and still macroing like a god that it's impressive.


Not in ZvZ when you have to constantly watch everywhere for Baneling detonations It's kinda hard to hit the perfect timings


I played Zerg until a high masters level. It's really not that difficult to macro on 1 and 2 base. :/


above high masters it is though
ceaRshaf
Profile Joined August 2009
Romania4926 Posts
February 11 2012 18:27 GMT
#865
On February 12 2012 03:25 DAFNE wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 12 2012 03:24 ceaRshaf wrote:
On February 12 2012 03:23 SkyTheUnknown wrote:
25k viewers. Pretty good.


I still feel something is wrong when big tournaments don't make significantly more than top streaming players.


Remember that's only the Englisch stream. Carmac said there are 4 different streams for the event.


The english stream has to be the most popular so still not to good.

If the EG team stream all at once they make more from ads than IEM.
Mess with the best, die like the rest.
Chicane
Profile Joined November 2010
United States7875 Posts
February 11 2012 18:27 GMT
#866
On February 12 2012 03:25 Slardar wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 12 2012 03:23 Chicane wrote:
On February 12 2012 03:22 MrMercuG wrote:
On February 12 2012 03:22 Chicane wrote:
Wow Violet outplayed Ret, but he lost. Amirite?


Uh... No.


He out microed him time and time again. He kept taking less damage from those banelings. Clearly he outplayed Ret. :-|


That's not EXACTLY how you judge ZvZ. Outplaying is deflecting or feigning aggression while getting ahead in Drones. Ret played Game 2 as perfectly as he did Game 1, except he deflected the timing push while being way ahead in drones.

The onus is on Violet to make something happen with the units, since he was always behind in drones. I'd say Ret played far superior to Violet game 2.


Ya once again I was just joking around. Violet made a great decision and outplayed Ret in game 1, yet everyone jumped to Ret's defense saying that he outplayed Violet while losing... so I figured I would do the same in the opposite position, but then unsurprisingly everyone keeps defending Ret.
TheHova
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
United Kingdom2612 Posts
February 11 2012 18:27 GMT
#867
On February 12 2012 03:26 mememolly wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 12 2012 03:26 TheHova wrote:
On February 12 2012 03:23 Talin wrote:
On February 12 2012 03:22 TheHova wrote:
On February 12 2012 03:21 hrvoje07 wrote:
We know that ret is good player, but do we have to praise him for his macro in a one base game with 20 drones


Was thinking the same haha, i think anybody could keep their minerals and gas low on 1 base. It's when he's got all his drones out and still macroing like a god that it's impressive.


Not in ZvZ when you have to constantly watch everywhere for Baneling detonations It's kinda hard to hit the perfect timings


I played Zerg until a high masters level. It's really not that difficult to macro on 1 and 2 base. :/


above high masters it is though


No it's really not.
VanCaspel
Profile Joined July 2010
Netherlands250 Posts
February 11 2012 18:27 GMT
#868
And the crowd explodes!
Dutch StarCraft League - www.DSCL.nl
XiGua
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Sweden3085 Posts
February 11 2012 18:27 GMT
#869
Yay!
ლ(ಠ益ಠლ) APM, Why u make me spam?
Jomppa
Profile Joined July 2011
1225 Posts
February 11 2012 18:28 GMT
#870
boom
Chicane
Profile Joined November 2010
United States7875 Posts
February 11 2012 18:28 GMT
#871
Whoa!! Nice dodge by Ret and such a strong one by Ret! Nice job. Ret should have this now. :O
Blix
Profile Joined September 2010
Netherlands873 Posts
February 11 2012 18:28 GMT
#872
ret-ribution!
Conquer yourself not the world. - Descartes
Paperplane
Profile Joined March 2011
Netherlands1823 Posts
February 11 2012 18:28 GMT
#873
Come on ret just hold the inevitable attack!
Thesidu
Profile Joined November 2010
Sweden290 Posts
February 11 2012 18:28 GMT
#874
On February 12 2012 03:23 Kevan wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 12 2012 03:22 KalWarkov wrote:
On February 12 2012 03:22 ravemir wrote:
Coca-Cola Zero? That thing tastes like cough syrup, digusting!


i actually prefer it over normal coke

Pepsi is better though.


pepsi max is the best though
¯\_(シ)_/¯
0kz
Profile Joined January 2010
Italy1118 Posts
February 11 2012 18:28 GMT
#875
doing the same.. just better :D gogo ret !
ELA
Profile Joined April 2010
Denmark4608 Posts
February 11 2012 18:28 GMT
#876
That was made of sex..

Violet drones melting )))
The first link of chain forged, the first speech censured, the first thought forbidden, the first freedom denied, chains us all irrevocably.
MrMercuG
Profile Joined March 2011
Netherlands2389 Posts
February 11 2012 18:28 GMT
#877
Dat supply lead!
Swiv
Profile Joined October 2011
Germany3674 Posts
February 11 2012 18:28 GMT
#878
meh, normally i am always for the foreigner. but violet is such a nice guy. i am torn :/
[_] Terran [_] Zerg [_] Protoss [X] Random ------- Fantasy - hyvaa - sOs
mememolly
Profile Joined December 2011
4765 Posts
February 11 2012 18:29 GMT
#879
On February 12 2012 03:27 TheHova wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 12 2012 03:26 mememolly wrote:
On February 12 2012 03:26 TheHova wrote:
On February 12 2012 03:23 Talin wrote:
On February 12 2012 03:22 TheHova wrote:
On February 12 2012 03:21 hrvoje07 wrote:
We know that ret is good player, but do we have to praise him for his macro in a one base game with 20 drones


Was thinking the same haha, i think anybody could keep their minerals and gas low on 1 base. It's when he's got all his drones out and still macroing like a god that it's impressive.


Not in ZvZ when you have to constantly watch everywhere for Baneling detonations It's kinda hard to hit the perfect timings


I played Zerg until a high masters level. It's really not that difficult to macro on 1 and 2 base. :/


above high masters it is though


No it's really not.


how would you know if you haven;t played above high masters?
Asha
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom38257 Posts
February 11 2012 18:29 GMT
#880
The whole "can i hide banelings and run them into a mineral line unnoticed" part of ZvZ is something I hope players get good enough to just shut down in the future.
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