Thank god. If JYP had won vs 2 GSL level Koreans in a row I would have had to leave my computer and check what else had changed considering I would have entered a parallel reality
On February 01 2012 11:22 Olinimm wrote: [quote] Even if you disregard the fact MC has an insane winrate, Inori is still immensely overrated in PvP. He beat MC once, every other time MC owned him. And his stats are fucking awful.
Inori has beaten HerO, HuK, Sase, and Puzzle multiple times. He seriously only sucks in GSL for some unknown reason, but roflstomps all other Protosses in foreign tournaments. It helps that he's got that insane 3gate pressure build that gets more units than a regular 4gate...
Umm no. According to TLPD he beat them once. And he beat hero and puzzle in a best of one.
I'm sorry I didn't know TLPD was the end-all be all for databases. I watched HerO and HuK both lose to him in MLG and on IPL very convincingly. If you go just by TLPD...DRG's ZvT is his worst matchup, did you know that?
Link me to something that says Inori even played huk or hero at MLG.
I said MLG. please read what I actually say. Thanks.
Oops..you get the gist. Inori PvP > HuK and HerO PvP.
Since when are HuK and HerO considered the top PvPers who we are going to compare another player to in order to determine "the best." Inori has a weird style of PvP. MC, Oz, and Puzzle all have much better PvP than anybody else. InCa is gimmicky, Inori has a weird almost unexplored style (when he first came out at IPL I don't think that MC has much experience playing against it), HerO and HuK actually aren't as good as other players, and frankly the only people left are players like Oz, Puzzle, JYP, MC, and the like. PartinG is also really, good as I see a lot of people are completely failing to mention him.
On February 01 2012 11:35 dragonborn wrote:
On February 01 2012 11:32 Olinimm wrote:
On February 01 2012 11:32 dragonborn wrote:
On February 01 2012 11:30 Olinimm wrote:
On February 01 2012 11:29 dragonborn wrote:
On February 01 2012 11:22 Olinimm wrote:
On February 01 2012 11:18 dragonborn wrote:
On February 01 2012 11:15 Olinimm wrote: [quote] How is inori better at PvP than MC? He is 2-8 in PvP and lost to MC like 3 times. MC also has basically the same win % as Inca but has more games than Inca and beat him. Inori is so overrated at that matchup it's not even funny.
tlpd records isnt everything. FXOz %41 against Terran but i can say his PvT is top 3 in Korea.
also you should look latest tournaments MC played,he always out of tournament because of PvP.
Even if you disregard the fact MC has an insane winrate, Inori is still immensely overrated in PvP. He beat MC once, every other time MC owned him. And his stats are fucking awful.
Just saying,STATS ISNT EVERYTHING.
HuK have 45% PvP in Korea but he is 5-4 ahead against MC.
MC's PvP isnt in top 3,even Puzzle better than him.
How? You have no actual argument for that. Puzzle just lost to parting, he hasn't ever beaten MC, he has worse winrates, how is he better than MC?
I'm sorry I didn't know TLPD was the end-all be all for databases. I watched HerO and HuK both lose to him(Inori) in MLG and on IPL very convincingly. If you go just by TLPD...DRG's ZvT is his worst matchup, did you know that?
TLPD ISNT EVERYTHING.
PROVIDE AN ARGUMENT.
i just saw your posts in MC's fan club..
i understand you,you are a fanboy.
its hard to accept but MC sucks at PvP.
That's a terrible argument. MC is a force to be reckoned with. Who has he lost to in PvP? He lost to HuK, but they both know each other's styles so well that that doesn't really represent much of their "skill." If you're just going to troll, get off TL and stop posting retarded comments like "MC sucks at PvP."
He lose to MaNa and out of ESWC.
he lose to HuK and get 2nd place at MLG.
he lose to Inori and out of IPL.
he lose to NaNiWa and out of HomeStoryCup 3.
im not trolling.
Do you notice what is similar about every single one of those events? They weren't in Korea. He's flying around the world and loses to people who have been going on complete tears.
MaNa didn't lose a single game to Socke or Grubby either, he was playing the best PvP of his life.
As I said, HuK and MC know each other's play styles through and through, that means that it's less of a PvP because there's a completely new element that is racing through both of their minds.
Inori's play style is really odd, and MC had probably never pracitced against that style before IPL. I don't think that any of the top tier players felt comfortable against that style. Plus, Inori could have watched all of MC's VODs, where would MC find VODs of Inori exactly??
NaNiwa has fantastic PvP, if losing to NaNiwa makes you bad at a match-up (especially at a foreigner tournament), are Mvp and NesTea both bad vP?
So MC loses to jetlag in a match-up that is the most micro-intensive. That's cool. He's 25-8 in PvP in Korea. When MC plays his best, nobody beats him in PvP. Stop posting.
On February 01 2012 12:03 Dexington wrote: EG only relying on its Koreans now. Such a shame, when teams like Mouz are competing with the best using only foreign players.
Every team uses the player that they think has the best chance of winning in the situation. EG isn't doing any different. Korean or foreign makes no difference.
On February 01 2012 11:25 Whatson wrote: [quote] Inori has beaten HerO, HuK, Sase, and Puzzle multiple times. He seriously only sucks in GSL for some unknown reason, but roflstomps all other Protosses in foreign tournaments. It helps that he's got that insane 3gate pressure build that gets more units than a regular 4gate...
Umm no. According to TLPD he beat them once. And he beat hero and puzzle in a best of one.
I'm sorry I didn't know TLPD was the end-all be all for databases. I watched HerO and HuK both lose to him in MLG and on IPL very convincingly. If you go just by TLPD...DRG's ZvT is his worst matchup, did you know that?
Link me to something that says Inori even played huk or hero at MLG.
I said MLG. please read what I actually say. Thanks.
Oops..you get the gist. Inori PvP > HuK and HerO PvP.
Since when are HuK and HerO considered the top PvPers who we are going to compare another player to in order to determine "the best." Inori has a weird style of PvP. MC, Oz, and Puzzle all have much better PvP than anybody else. InCa is gimmicky, Inori has a weird almost unexplored style (when he first came out at IPL I don't think that MC has much experience playing against it), HerO and HuK actually aren't as good as other players, and frankly the only people left are players like Oz, Puzzle, JYP, MC, and the like. PartinG is also really, good as I see a lot of people are completely failing to mention him.
On February 01 2012 11:35 dragonborn wrote:
On February 01 2012 11:32 Olinimm wrote:
On February 01 2012 11:32 dragonborn wrote:
On February 01 2012 11:30 Olinimm wrote:
On February 01 2012 11:29 dragonborn wrote:
On February 01 2012 11:22 Olinimm wrote:
On February 01 2012 11:18 dragonborn wrote: [quote] tlpd records isnt everything. FXOz %41 against Terran but i can say his PvT is top 3 in Korea.
also you should look latest tournaments MC played,he always out of tournament because of PvP.
Even if you disregard the fact MC has an insane winrate, Inori is still immensely overrated in PvP. He beat MC once, every other time MC owned him. And his stats are fucking awful.
Just saying,STATS ISNT EVERYTHING.
HuK have 45% PvP in Korea but he is 5-4 ahead against MC.
MC's PvP isnt in top 3,even Puzzle better than him.
How? You have no actual argument for that. Puzzle just lost to parting, he hasn't ever beaten MC, he has worse winrates, how is he better than MC?
I'm sorry I didn't know TLPD was the end-all be all for databases. I watched HerO and HuK both lose to him(Inori) in MLG and on IPL very convincingly. If you go just by TLPD...DRG's ZvT is his worst matchup, did you know that?
TLPD ISNT EVERYTHING.
PROVIDE AN ARGUMENT.
i just saw your posts in MC's fan club..
i understand you,you are a fanboy.
its hard to accept but MC sucks at PvP.
That's a terrible argument. MC is a force to be reckoned with. Who has he lost to in PvP? He lost to HuK, but they both know each other's styles so well that that doesn't really represent much of their "skill." If you're just going to troll, get off TL and stop posting retarded comments like "MC sucks at PvP."
He lose to MaNa and out of ESWC.
he lose to HuK and get 2nd place at MLG.
he lose to Inori and out of IPL.
he lose to NaNiWa and out of HomeStoryCup 3.
im not trolling.
Do you notice what is similar about every single one of those events? They weren't in Korea. He's flying around the world and loses to people who have been going on complete tears.
MaNa didn't lose a single game to Socke or Grubby either, he was playing the best PvP of his life.
As I said, HuK and MC know each other's play styles through and through, that means that it's less of a PvP because there's a completely new element that is racing through both of their minds.
Inori's play style is really odd, and MC had probably never pracitced against that style before IPL. I don't think that any of the top tier players felt comfortable against that style. Plus, Inori could have watched all of MC's VODs, where would MC find VODs of Inori exactly??
NaNiwa has fantastic PvP, if losing to NaNiwa makes you bad at a match-up (especially at a foreigner tournament), are Mvp and NesTea both bad vP?
So MC loses to jetlag in a match-up that is the most micro-intensive. That's cool. He's 25-8 in PvP in Korea. When MC plays his best, nobody beats him in PvP. Stop posting.
This argument is relevant to IPL TAC2 EG vs oGs how?
On February 01 2012 11:25 Whatson wrote: [quote] Inori has beaten HerO, HuK, Sase, and Puzzle multiple times. He seriously only sucks in GSL for some unknown reason, but roflstomps all other Protosses in foreign tournaments. It helps that he's got that insane 3gate pressure build that gets more units than a regular 4gate...
Umm no. According to TLPD he beat them once. And he beat hero and puzzle in a best of one.
I'm sorry I didn't know TLPD was the end-all be all for databases. I watched HerO and HuK both lose to him in MLG and on IPL very convincingly. If you go just by TLPD...DRG's ZvT is his worst matchup, did you know that?
Link me to something that says Inori even played huk or hero at MLG.
I said MLG. please read what I actually say. Thanks.
Oops..you get the gist. Inori PvP > HuK and HerO PvP.
Since when are HuK and HerO considered the top PvPers who we are going to compare another player to in order to determine "the best." Inori has a weird style of PvP. MC, Oz, and Puzzle all have much better PvP than anybody else. InCa is gimmicky, Inori has a weird almost unexplored style (when he first came out at IPL I don't think that MC has much experience playing against it), HerO and HuK actually aren't as good as other players, and frankly the only people left are players like Oz, Puzzle, JYP, MC, and the like. PartinG is also really, good as I see a lot of people are completely failing to mention him.
On February 01 2012 11:35 dragonborn wrote:
On February 01 2012 11:32 Olinimm wrote:
On February 01 2012 11:32 dragonborn wrote:
On February 01 2012 11:30 Olinimm wrote:
On February 01 2012 11:29 dragonborn wrote:
On February 01 2012 11:22 Olinimm wrote:
On February 01 2012 11:18 dragonborn wrote: [quote] tlpd records isnt everything. FXOz %41 against Terran but i can say his PvT is top 3 in Korea.
also you should look latest tournaments MC played,he always out of tournament because of PvP.
Even if you disregard the fact MC has an insane winrate, Inori is still immensely overrated in PvP. He beat MC once, every other time MC owned him. And his stats are fucking awful.
Just saying,STATS ISNT EVERYTHING.
HuK have 45% PvP in Korea but he is 5-4 ahead against MC.
MC's PvP isnt in top 3,even Puzzle better than him.
How? You have no actual argument for that. Puzzle just lost to parting, he hasn't ever beaten MC, he has worse winrates, how is he better than MC?
I'm sorry I didn't know TLPD was the end-all be all for databases. I watched HerO and HuK both lose to him(Inori) in MLG and on IPL very convincingly. If you go just by TLPD...DRG's ZvT is his worst matchup, did you know that?
TLPD ISNT EVERYTHING.
PROVIDE AN ARGUMENT.
i just saw your posts in MC's fan club..
i understand you,you are a fanboy.
its hard to accept but MC sucks at PvP.
That's a terrible argument. MC is a force to be reckoned with. Who has he lost to in PvP? He lost to HuK, but they both know each other's styles so well that that doesn't really represent much of their "skill." If you're just going to troll, get off TL and stop posting retarded comments like "MC sucks at PvP."
He lose to MaNa and out of ESWC.
he lose to HuK and get 2nd place at MLG.
he lose to Inori and out of IPL.
he lose to NaNiWa and out of HomeStoryCup 3.
im not trolling.
Do you notice what is similar about every single one of those events? They weren't in Korea. He's flying around the world and loses to people who have been going on complete tears.
MaNa didn't lose a single game to Socke or Grubby either, he was playing the best PvP of his life.
As I said, HuK and MC know each other's play styles through and through, that means that it's less of a PvP because there's a completely new element that is racing through both of their minds.
Inori's play style is really odd, and MC had probably never pracitced against that style before IPL. I don't think that any of the top tier players felt comfortable against that style. Plus, Inori could have watched all of MC's VODs, where would MC find VODs of Inori exactly??
NaNiwa has fantastic PvP, if losing to NaNiwa makes you bad at a match-up (especially at a foreigner tournament), are Mvp and NesTea both bad vP?
So MC loses to jetlag in a match-up that is the most micro-intensive. That's cool. He's 25-8 in PvP in Korea. When MC plays his best, nobody beats him in PvP. Stop posting.
when korean loses online= lag
when korean loses offline = jetlag
TLPD isnt everything,im still saying PvP is MC's weakness.
On February 01 2012 12:02 McFeser wrote: Can someone explain to me how Fin won that fight? He was going up the ramp and JYP had a good concave.
JYP had bad positioning. He had a great concave of zealots in hold position. By the time his archons completed, his zealots were mostly half-dead. His ffs were not the best and he lost a full energy sentry due to bad positioning. The stalkers were behind the zealots but couldnt damage the force field'd terran because the nexus was blocking it(the stalkers). By the time the ff wore off, the zealots melted because they were already hurt. THEN the archons came into play.
tldr: the tankers (zealot / archon) took too much damage when they didnt do enough damage.
Kinda ironic how EG probably has the highest payroll of any team yet they're losing all the team leagues. "Money can't buy you love" or apparently a cohesive SC2 team either.
EPT
HerO is a great substitute though! :D
