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magnaflow
Profile Joined August 2011
Canada1521 Posts
February 01 2012 02:46 GMT
#541
On February 01 2012 11:44 redviper wrote:
Did I just see the ending of the game right? JYP beat a terran? What is this opposite day?


If Idra would have one I might have to agree with you, but unfortunatlry it is not opposite day
Duravi
Profile Joined September 2010
United States1205 Posts
February 01 2012 02:46 GMT
#542
On February 01 2012 11:45 werynais wrote:
So EG is basically a Korean team now?

They have four players on their team that can even hold their own in these kinds of leagues. Then they have to send out players who have no chance like machine. Not exactly a deep roster.
Whatson
Profile Blog Joined January 2012
United States5357 Posts
February 01 2012 02:47 GMT
#543
On February 01 2012 11:46 Wombat_NI wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 01 2012 11:42 McFeser wrote:
I apologize for starting the discussion on who has the best PvP

No need to apologise, not your fault people take an interesting discussion and feel the need to post biased crap on it.

It was a good discussion. But yes there was a lot of BS thrown in there -.-
¯\_(シ)_/¯
tuho12345
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
4482 Posts
February 01 2012 02:47 GMT
#544
at the beginning with the bunker rush STC should have put the bunker behind the 2 gates, not in front like that. Then he would have won right there.
Bagration
Profile Blog Joined October 2011
United States18282 Posts
February 01 2012 02:47 GMT
#545
On February 01 2012 11:46 The Final Boss wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 01 2012 11:38 Whatson wrote:
On February 01 2012 11:37 Olinimm wrote:
On February 01 2012 11:35 Whatson wrote:
On February 01 2012 11:32 Olinimm wrote:
On February 01 2012 11:29 Whatson wrote:
On February 01 2012 11:27 Olinimm wrote:
On February 01 2012 11:25 Whatson wrote:
On February 01 2012 11:22 Olinimm wrote:
On February 01 2012 11:18 dragonborn wrote:
[quote]
tlpd records isnt everything. FXOz %41 against Terran but i can say his PvT is top 3 in Korea.

also you should look latest tournaments MC played,he always out of tournament because of PvP.

Even if you disregard the fact MC has an insane winrate, Inori is still immensely overrated in PvP. He beat MC once, every other time MC owned him. And his stats are fucking awful.

Inori has beaten HerO, HuK, Sase, and Puzzle multiple times. He seriously only sucks in GSL for some unknown reason, but roflstomps all other Protosses in foreign tournaments. It helps that he's got that insane 3gate pressure build that gets more units than a regular 4gate...

Umm no. According to TLPD he beat them once. And he beat hero and puzzle in a best of one.

I'm sorry I didn't know TLPD was the end-all be all for databases. I watched HerO and HuK both lose to him in MLG and on IPL very convincingly. If you go just by TLPD...DRG's ZvT is his worst matchup, did you know that?

Link me to something that says Inori even played huk or hero at MLG.


http://reignsc2.com/2011/12/reign-vs-team-liquid-–-insight-into-ipl-team-arena-challenge/inori-v-hero/

I said MLG. please read what I actually say. Thanks.

Oops..you get the gist. Inori PvP > HuK and HerO PvP.

Since when are HuK and HerO considered the top PvPers who we are going to compare another player to in order to determine "the best." Inori has a weird style of PvP. MC, Oz, and Puzzle all have much better PvP than anybody else. InCa is gimmicky, Inori has a weird almost unexplored style (when he first came out at IPL I don't think that MC has much experience playing against it), HerO and HuK actually aren't as good as other players, and frankly the only people left are players like Oz, Puzzle, JYP, MC, and the like. PartinG is also really, good as I see a lot of people are completely failing to mention him.


Show nested quote +
On February 01 2012 11:35 dragonborn wrote:
On February 01 2012 11:32 Olinimm wrote:
On February 01 2012 11:32 dragonborn wrote:
On February 01 2012 11:30 Olinimm wrote:
On February 01 2012 11:29 dragonborn wrote:
On February 01 2012 11:22 Olinimm wrote:
On February 01 2012 11:18 dragonborn wrote:
On February 01 2012 11:15 Olinimm wrote:
On February 01 2012 11:13 dragonborn wrote:
[quote]
PvP is MC's worst match up...

Oz,InCa and Inori definitely better than MC at PvP.

How is inori better at PvP than MC? He is 2-8 in PvP and lost to MC like 3 times. MC also has basically the same win % as Inca but has more games than Inca and beat him. Inori is so overrated at that matchup it's not even funny.

tlpd records isnt everything. FXOz %41 against Terran but i can say his PvT is top 3 in Korea.

also you should look latest tournaments MC played,he always out of tournament because of PvP.

Even if you disregard the fact MC has an insane winrate, Inori is still immensely overrated in PvP. He beat MC once, every other time MC owned him. And his stats are fucking awful.

Just saying,STATS ISNT EVERYTHING.

HuK have 45% PvP in Korea but he is 5-4 ahead against MC.

MC's PvP isnt in top 3,even Puzzle better than him.

How? You have no actual argument for that. Puzzle just lost to parting, he hasn't ever beaten MC, he has worse winrates, how is he better than MC?

I'm sorry I didn't know TLPD was the end-all be all for databases. I watched HerO and HuK both lose to him(Inori) in MLG and on IPL very convincingly. If you go just by TLPD...DRG's ZvT is his worst matchup, did you know that?


TLPD ISNT EVERYTHING.

PROVIDE AN ARGUMENT.


i just saw your posts in MC's fan club..

i understand you,you are a fanboy.

its hard to accept but MC sucks at PvP.

That's a terrible argument. MC is a force to be reckoned with. Who has he lost to in PvP? He lost to HuK, but they both know each other's styles so well that that doesn't really represent much of their "skill." If you're just going to troll, get off TL and stop posting retarded comments like "MC sucks at PvP."


Why are people arguing about PvP again?
Team Slayers, Axiom-Acer and Vile forever
Saig0n
Profile Joined May 2010
United States100 Posts
February 01 2012 02:48 GMT
#546
man the production and format of IPL is so much better than NASL. I do like that there are multiple team leagues though so I cant really complain too much about either.
Whatson
Profile Blog Joined January 2012
United States5357 Posts
February 01 2012 02:48 GMT
#547
On February 01 2012 11:47 Bagration wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 01 2012 11:46 The Final Boss wrote:
On February 01 2012 11:38 Whatson wrote:
On February 01 2012 11:37 Olinimm wrote:
On February 01 2012 11:35 Whatson wrote:
On February 01 2012 11:32 Olinimm wrote:
On February 01 2012 11:29 Whatson wrote:
On February 01 2012 11:27 Olinimm wrote:
On February 01 2012 11:25 Whatson wrote:
On February 01 2012 11:22 Olinimm wrote:
[quote]
Even if you disregard the fact MC has an insane winrate, Inori is still immensely overrated in PvP. He beat MC once, every other time MC owned him. And his stats are fucking awful.

Inori has beaten HerO, HuK, Sase, and Puzzle multiple times. He seriously only sucks in GSL for some unknown reason, but roflstomps all other Protosses in foreign tournaments. It helps that he's got that insane 3gate pressure build that gets more units than a regular 4gate...

Umm no. According to TLPD he beat them once. And he beat hero and puzzle in a best of one.

I'm sorry I didn't know TLPD was the end-all be all for databases. I watched HerO and HuK both lose to him in MLG and on IPL very convincingly. If you go just by TLPD...DRG's ZvT is his worst matchup, did you know that?

Link me to something that says Inori even played huk or hero at MLG.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BAbYLk711qc
http://reignsc2.com/2011/12/reign-vs-team-liquid-–-insight-into-ipl-team-arena-challenge/inori-v-hero/

I said MLG. please read what I actually say. Thanks.

Oops..you get the gist. Inori PvP > HuK and HerO PvP.

Since when are HuK and HerO considered the top PvPers who we are going to compare another player to in order to determine "the best." Inori has a weird style of PvP. MC, Oz, and Puzzle all have much better PvP than anybody else. InCa is gimmicky, Inori has a weird almost unexplored style (when he first came out at IPL I don't think that MC has much experience playing against it), HerO and HuK actually aren't as good as other players, and frankly the only people left are players like Oz, Puzzle, JYP, MC, and the like. PartinG is also really, good as I see a lot of people are completely failing to mention him.


On February 01 2012 11:35 dragonborn wrote:
On February 01 2012 11:32 Olinimm wrote:
On February 01 2012 11:32 dragonborn wrote:
On February 01 2012 11:30 Olinimm wrote:
On February 01 2012 11:29 dragonborn wrote:
On February 01 2012 11:22 Olinimm wrote:
On February 01 2012 11:18 dragonborn wrote:
On February 01 2012 11:15 Olinimm wrote:
[quote]
How is inori better at PvP than MC? He is 2-8 in PvP and lost to MC like 3 times. MC also has basically the same win % as Inca but has more games than Inca and beat him. Inori is so overrated at that matchup it's not even funny.

tlpd records isnt everything. FXOz %41 against Terran but i can say his PvT is top 3 in Korea.

also you should look latest tournaments MC played,he always out of tournament because of PvP.

Even if you disregard the fact MC has an insane winrate, Inori is still immensely overrated in PvP. He beat MC once, every other time MC owned him. And his stats are fucking awful.

Just saying,STATS ISNT EVERYTHING.

HuK have 45% PvP in Korea but he is 5-4 ahead against MC.

MC's PvP isnt in top 3,even Puzzle better than him.

How? You have no actual argument for that. Puzzle just lost to parting, he hasn't ever beaten MC, he has worse winrates, how is he better than MC?

I'm sorry I didn't know TLPD was the end-all be all for databases. I watched HerO and HuK both lose to him(Inori) in MLG and on IPL very convincingly. If you go just by TLPD...DRG's ZvT is his worst matchup, did you know that?


TLPD ISNT EVERYTHING.

PROVIDE AN ARGUMENT.


i just saw your posts in MC's fan club..

i understand you,you are a fanboy.

its hard to accept but MC sucks at PvP.

That's a terrible argument. MC is a force to be reckoned with. Who has he lost to in PvP? He lost to HuK, but they both know each other's styles so well that that doesn't really represent much of their "skill." If you're just going to troll, get off TL and stop posting retarded comments like "MC sucks at PvP."


Why are people arguing about PvP again?

Don't ask..it's gotten absurd really.
¯\_(シ)_/¯
SigmaoctanusIV
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
United States3313 Posts
February 01 2012 02:48 GMT
#548
How long ago were these games played? Does anyone know?
I am Godzilla You are Japan
nvs.
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Canada3609 Posts
February 01 2012 02:48 GMT
#549
I feel so weird cheering for oGs without MC.
dragonborn
Profile Joined January 2012
4781 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-02-01 02:49:21
February 01 2012 02:48 GMT
#550
On February 01 2012 11:46 The Final Boss wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 01 2012 11:38 Whatson wrote:
On February 01 2012 11:37 Olinimm wrote:
On February 01 2012 11:35 Whatson wrote:
On February 01 2012 11:32 Olinimm wrote:
On February 01 2012 11:29 Whatson wrote:
On February 01 2012 11:27 Olinimm wrote:
On February 01 2012 11:25 Whatson wrote:
On February 01 2012 11:22 Olinimm wrote:
On February 01 2012 11:18 dragonborn wrote:
[quote]
tlpd records isnt everything. FXOz %41 against Terran but i can say his PvT is top 3 in Korea.

also you should look latest tournaments MC played,he always out of tournament because of PvP.

Even if you disregard the fact MC has an insane winrate, Inori is still immensely overrated in PvP. He beat MC once, every other time MC owned him. And his stats are fucking awful.

Inori has beaten HerO, HuK, Sase, and Puzzle multiple times. He seriously only sucks in GSL for some unknown reason, but roflstomps all other Protosses in foreign tournaments. It helps that he's got that insane 3gate pressure build that gets more units than a regular 4gate...

Umm no. According to TLPD he beat them once. And he beat hero and puzzle in a best of one.

I'm sorry I didn't know TLPD was the end-all be all for databases. I watched HerO and HuK both lose to him in MLG and on IPL very convincingly. If you go just by TLPD...DRG's ZvT is his worst matchup, did you know that?

Link me to something that says Inori even played huk or hero at MLG.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BAbYLk711qc
http://reignsc2.com/2011/12/reign-vs-team-liquid-–-insight-into-ipl-team-arena-challenge/inori-v-hero/

I said MLG. please read what I actually say. Thanks.

Oops..you get the gist. Inori PvP > HuK and HerO PvP.

Since when are HuK and HerO considered the top PvPers who we are going to compare another player to in order to determine "the best." Inori has a weird style of PvP. MC, Oz, and Puzzle all have much better PvP than anybody else. InCa is gimmicky, Inori has a weird almost unexplored style (when he first came out at IPL I don't think that MC has much experience playing against it), HerO and HuK actually aren't as good as other players, and frankly the only people left are players like Oz, Puzzle, JYP, MC, and the like. PartinG is also really, good as I see a lot of people are completely failing to mention him.


Show nested quote +
On February 01 2012 11:35 dragonborn wrote:
On February 01 2012 11:32 Olinimm wrote:
On February 01 2012 11:32 dragonborn wrote:
On February 01 2012 11:30 Olinimm wrote:
On February 01 2012 11:29 dragonborn wrote:
On February 01 2012 11:22 Olinimm wrote:
On February 01 2012 11:18 dragonborn wrote:
On February 01 2012 11:15 Olinimm wrote:
On February 01 2012 11:13 dragonborn wrote:
[quote]
PvP is MC's worst match up...

Oz,InCa and Inori definitely better than MC at PvP.

How is inori better at PvP than MC? He is 2-8 in PvP and lost to MC like 3 times. MC also has basically the same win % as Inca but has more games than Inca and beat him. Inori is so overrated at that matchup it's not even funny.

tlpd records isnt everything. FXOz %41 against Terran but i can say his PvT is top 3 in Korea.

also you should look latest tournaments MC played,he always out of tournament because of PvP.

Even if you disregard the fact MC has an insane winrate, Inori is still immensely overrated in PvP. He beat MC once, every other time MC owned him. And his stats are fucking awful.

Just saying,STATS ISNT EVERYTHING.

HuK have 45% PvP in Korea but he is 5-4 ahead against MC.

MC's PvP isnt in top 3,even Puzzle better than him.

How? You have no actual argument for that. Puzzle just lost to parting, he hasn't ever beaten MC, he has worse winrates, how is he better than MC?

I'm sorry I didn't know TLPD was the end-all be all for databases. I watched HerO and HuK both lose to him(Inori) in MLG and on IPL very convincingly. If you go just by TLPD...DRG's ZvT is his worst matchup, did you know that?


TLPD ISNT EVERYTHING.

PROVIDE AN ARGUMENT.


i just saw your posts in MC's fan club..

i understand you,you are a fanboy.

its hard to accept but MC sucks at PvP.

That's a terrible argument. MC is a force to be reckoned with. Who has he lost to in PvP? He lost to HuK, but they both know each other's styles so well that that doesn't really represent much of their "skill." If you're just going to troll, get off TL and stop posting retarded comments like "MC sucks at PvP."

He lose to MaNa and out of ESWC.

he lose to HuK and get 2nd place at MLG.

he lose to Inori and out of IPL.

he lose to NaNiWa and out of HomeStoryCup 3.

im not trolling.

MVTaylor
Profile Blog Joined October 2011
United Kingdom2893 Posts
February 01 2012 02:49 GMT
#551
Fin should utterly manhandle JYP.

Can't believe stc followed up the two rax with an all in, he'd have been ahead if he'd just cut reactored marines enough to throw down a CC
@followMVT
aRyuujin
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
United States5049 Posts
February 01 2012 02:49 GMT
#552
Despite being a huge EG fan, can't see us taking out the timing attack terran
can i get my estro logo back pls
setzer
Profile Joined March 2010
United States3284 Posts
February 01 2012 02:50 GMT
#553
On February 01 2012 11:46 Duravi wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 01 2012 11:45 werynais wrote:
So EG is basically a Korean team now?

They have four players on their team that can even hold their own in these kinds of leagues. Then they have to send out players who have no chance like machine. Not exactly a deep roster.


It's a deep roster when they don't have to play win against 5 Koreans, some Code-S level. Certainly out of every non-Korean team EG is the most skilled on paper.
WombaT
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Northern Ireland27464 Posts
February 01 2012 02:50 GMT
#554
On February 01 2012 11:46 The Final Boss wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 01 2012 11:38 Whatson wrote:
On February 01 2012 11:37 Olinimm wrote:
On February 01 2012 11:35 Whatson wrote:
On February 01 2012 11:32 Olinimm wrote:
On February 01 2012 11:29 Whatson wrote:
On February 01 2012 11:27 Olinimm wrote:
On February 01 2012 11:25 Whatson wrote:
On February 01 2012 11:22 Olinimm wrote:
On February 01 2012 11:18 dragonborn wrote:
[quote]
tlpd records isnt everything. FXOz %41 against Terran but i can say his PvT is top 3 in Korea.

also you should look latest tournaments MC played,he always out of tournament because of PvP.

Even if you disregard the fact MC has an insane winrate, Inori is still immensely overrated in PvP. He beat MC once, every other time MC owned him. And his stats are fucking awful.

Inori has beaten HerO, HuK, Sase, and Puzzle multiple times. He seriously only sucks in GSL for some unknown reason, but roflstomps all other Protosses in foreign tournaments. It helps that he's got that insane 3gate pressure build that gets more units than a regular 4gate...

Umm no. According to TLPD he beat them once. And he beat hero and puzzle in a best of one.

I'm sorry I didn't know TLPD was the end-all be all for databases. I watched HerO and HuK both lose to him in MLG and on IPL very convincingly. If you go just by TLPD...DRG's ZvT is his worst matchup, did you know that?

Link me to something that says Inori even played huk or hero at MLG.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BAbYLk711qc
http://reignsc2.com/2011/12/reign-vs-team-liquid-–-insight-into-ipl-team-arena-challenge/inori-v-hero/

I said MLG. please read what I actually say. Thanks.

Oops..you get the gist. Inori PvP > HuK and HerO PvP.

Since when are HuK and HerO considered the top PvPers who we are going to compare another player to in order to determine "the best." Inori has a weird style of PvP. MC, Oz, and Puzzle all have much better PvP than anybody else. InCa is gimmicky, Inori has a weird almost unexplored style (when he first came out at IPL I don't think that MC has much experience playing against it), HerO and HuK actually aren't as good as other players, and frankly the only people left are players like Oz, Puzzle, JYP, MC, and the like. PartinG is also really, good as I see a lot of people are completely failing to mention him.


Show nested quote +
On February 01 2012 11:35 dragonborn wrote:
On February 01 2012 11:32 Olinimm wrote:
On February 01 2012 11:32 dragonborn wrote:
On February 01 2012 11:30 Olinimm wrote:
On February 01 2012 11:29 dragonborn wrote:
On February 01 2012 11:22 Olinimm wrote:
On February 01 2012 11:18 dragonborn wrote:
On February 01 2012 11:15 Olinimm wrote:
On February 01 2012 11:13 dragonborn wrote:
[quote]
PvP is MC's worst match up...

Oz,InCa and Inori definitely better than MC at PvP.

How is inori better at PvP than MC? He is 2-8 in PvP and lost to MC like 3 times. MC also has basically the same win % as Inca but has more games than Inca and beat him. Inori is so overrated at that matchup it's not even funny.

tlpd records isnt everything. FXOz %41 against Terran but i can say his PvT is top 3 in Korea.

also you should look latest tournaments MC played,he always out of tournament because of PvP.

Even if you disregard the fact MC has an insane winrate, Inori is still immensely overrated in PvP. He beat MC once, every other time MC owned him. And his stats are fucking awful.

Just saying,STATS ISNT EVERYTHING.

HuK have 45% PvP in Korea but he is 5-4 ahead against MC.

MC's PvP isnt in top 3,even Puzzle better than him.

How? You have no actual argument for that. Puzzle just lost to parting, he hasn't ever beaten MC, he has worse winrates, how is he better than MC?

I'm sorry I didn't know TLPD was the end-all be all for databases. I watched HerO and HuK both lose to him(Inori) in MLG and on IPL very convincingly. If you go just by TLPD...DRG's ZvT is his worst matchup, did you know that?


TLPD ISNT EVERYTHING.

PROVIDE AN ARGUMENT.


i just saw your posts in MC's fan club..

i understand you,you are a fanboy.

its hard to accept but MC sucks at PvP.

That's a terrible argument. MC is a force to be reckoned with. Who has he lost to in PvP? He lost to HuK, but they both know each other's styles so well that that doesn't really represent much of their "skill." If you're just going to troll, get off TL and stop posting retarded comments like "MC sucks at PvP."

I don't even think there is a best PvP player anymore, back in the days of 4gate MC had the mastery of that build with his control, and Inca's mindgames made him fearsome. Since then it seems, to me at least you guys may not agree that what has happened is that there's a load of guys with roughly similar levels who can take games off each other. Most PvPs I've seen recently have been tight 2-1 games with a lot of contrasting builds used. It's still a matchup that can reward one inspired, ballsy decision which is why I feel MC will always be one of the better PvPers in live environments.

There may yet emerge one, supreme PvP boss again, should be interesting to see when the matchup settles down a bit more.
'You'll always be the cuddly marsupial of my heart, despite the inherent flaws of your ancestry' - Squat
TL+ Member
MrKn4rz
Profile Joined November 2010
Germany2153 Posts
February 01 2012 02:50 GMT
#555
On February 01 2012 11:48 nvs. wrote:
I feel so weird cheering for oGs without MC.

If you think about cheering for oGs without MC...

...don't.
+ Show Spoiler +
I wonder if someone got that reference.
"We don't take kindly to folks who don't take kindly around here..."
Dexington
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
Canada7276 Posts
February 01 2012 02:51 GMT
#556
Holy crap huge deja vu. This is creepy.
"Man you guys are missing out waving your stats dicks about instead of watching this pvp" - bbm
Rabbet
Profile Joined December 2009
Canada404 Posts
February 01 2012 02:51 GMT
#557
I agree, the production value in this league is off the charts. Excellent night of viewing!

Good job IPL.
ishkabibble
Profile Joined December 2010
Canada161 Posts
February 01 2012 02:51 GMT
#558
nexus first against a player known for timing attacks who takes an early gas? that's ballsy.
Thrax
Profile Joined October 2010
Canada1755 Posts
February 01 2012 02:51 GMT
#559
On February 01 2012 11:46 Duravi wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 01 2012 11:45 werynais wrote:
So EG is basically a Korean team now?

They have four players on their team that can even hold their own in these kinds of leagues. Then they have to send out players who have no chance like machine. Not exactly a deep roster.

They have Huk, IdrA, Demuslim (I truly think he belongs with those two) - then the koreans JYP and PuMa.
I don't think EG is turning into a korean team and I'd say having 5 solid players make their roster fairly deep. You rarely have a need for more than 5.
aRyuujin
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February 01 2012 02:51 GMT
#560
Nexus first vs 2 rax?
can i get my estro logo back pls
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