On February 01 2012 10:49 zefreak wrote: EG has no chance with ForGG, Supernova, Nada and Inca for JP
why use inca against JYP? JYP has pretty good vP, whereas any terran on oGs will rape his face.
While I agree, Inca's PvP is one of the best in the world.
If by "the best" you mean he knows the most gimmicky builds that half of the people have never even seen before, then yes, he does. Look at his vP results. His most recent games were against Oz, who beat him 2-1 and basically dismantled him. Oz played far better than InCa.
There is this odd idea that InCa has "the best" PvP," but it's just something that was just a statement that Tastosis used to repeat back when next to nothing was known about the game/there was a completely different metagame. Before his game against Oz he hasn't played a televised PvP since September, where he beat GuineaPig in the ESV. Before that, he lost to MC in GSL, and to find any more InCa PvP results you'd have to go back to May.
Oz, MC, Puzzle, JYP, Creator, and PartinG all have better PvP.
How do you know this if Inca hasn't played any televised PvP matches since September? You're just being biased as hell.
On February 01 2012 11:13 dragonborn wrote: [quote] PvP is MC's worst match up...
Oz,InCa and Inori definitely better than MC at PvP.
How is inori better at PvP than MC? He is 2-8 in PvP and lost to MC like 3 times. MC also has basically the same win % as Inca but has more games than Inca and beat him. Inori is so overrated at that matchup it's not even funny.
tlpd records isnt everything. FXOz %41 against Terran but i can say his PvT is top 3 in Korea.
also you should look latest tournaments MC played,he always out of tournament because of PvP.
Even if you disregard the fact MC has an insane winrate, Inori is still immensely overrated in PvP. He beat MC once, every other time MC owned him. And his stats are fucking awful.
Just saying,STATS ISNT EVERYTHING.
HuK have 45% PvP in Korea but he is 5-4 ahead against MC.
MC's PvP isnt in top 3,even Puzzle better than him.
How? You have no actual argument for that. Puzzle just lost to parting, he hasn't ever beaten MC, he has worse winrates, how is he better than MC?
I'm sorry I didn't know TLPD was the end-all be all for databases. I watched HerO and HuK both lose to him(Inori) in MLG and on IPL very convincingly. If you go just by TLPD...DRG's ZvT is his worst matchup, did you know that?
TLPD ISNT EVERYTHING.
PROVIDE AN ARGUMENT.
i just saw your posts in MC's fan club..
i understand you,you are a fanboy.
its hard to accept but MC sucks at PvP.
i just read your posts in this thread.
i understand you,you are incapable of providing an actual argument.
On February 01 2012 11:11 Olinimm wrote: [quote] MC has positive records vs both Inca and inori. In fact he is like 5-2 vs inori. Inori beat him just that one time, MC is a better pvper overall. MC and Oz have the best pvp.
PvP is MC's worst match up...
Oz,InCa and Inori definitely better than MC at PvP.
How is inori better at PvP than MC? He is 2-8 in PvP and lost to MC like 3 times. MC also has basically the same win % as Inca but has more games than Inca and beat him. Inori is so overrated at that matchup it's not even funny.
tlpd records isnt everything. FXOz %41 against Terran but i can say his PvT is top 3 in Korea.
also you should look latest tournaments MC played,he always out of tournament because of PvP.
Even if you disregard the fact MC has an insane winrate, Inori is still immensely overrated in PvP. He beat MC once, every other time MC owned him. And his stats are fucking awful.
Just saying,STATS ISNT EVERYTHING.
HuK have 45% PvP in Korea but he is 5-4 ahead against MC.
MC's PvP isnt in top 3,even Puzzle better than him.
How? You have no actual argument for that. Puzzle just lost to parting, he hasn't ever beaten MC, he has worse winrates, how is he better than MC?
I'm sorry I didn't know TLPD was the end-all be all for databases. I watched HerO and HuK both lose to him(Inori) in MLG and on IPL very convincingly. If you go just by TLPD...DRG's ZvT is his worst matchup, did you know that?
TLPD ISNT EVERYTHING.
PROVIDE AN ARGUMENT.
i just saw your posts in MC's fan club..
i understand you,you are a fanboy.
its hard to accept but MC sucks at PvP.
He may well be a fanboy, but you are just the same at the opposite end of the scale it seems. MC sucks at PvP? Really? There may be some better than him in the matchup, but to say he downright sucks in the matchup is absurd.
On February 01 2012 11:13 dragonborn wrote: [quote] PvP is MC's worst match up...
Oz,InCa and Inori definitely better than MC at PvP.
How is inori better at PvP than MC? He is 2-8 in PvP and lost to MC like 3 times. MC also has basically the same win % as Inca but has more games than Inca and beat him. Inori is so overrated at that matchup it's not even funny.
tlpd records isnt everything. FXOz %41 against Terran but i can say his PvT is top 3 in Korea.
also you should look latest tournaments MC played,he always out of tournament because of PvP.
Even if you disregard the fact MC has an insane winrate, Inori is still immensely overrated in PvP. He beat MC once, every other time MC owned him. And his stats are fucking awful.
Inori has beaten HerO, HuK, Sase, and Puzzle multiple times. He seriously only sucks in GSL for some unknown reason, but roflstomps all other Protosses in foreign tournaments. It helps that he's got that insane 3gate pressure build that gets more units than a regular 4gate...
Umm no. According to TLPD he beat them once. And he beat hero and puzzle in a best of one.
I'm sorry I didn't know TLPD was the end-all be all for databases. I watched HerO and HuK both lose to him in MLG and on IPL very convincingly. If you go just by TLPD...DRG's ZvT is his worst matchup, did you know that?
Link me to something that says Inori even played huk or hero at MLG.
On February 01 2012 11:11 Olinimm wrote: [quote] MC has positive records vs both Inca and inori. In fact he is like 5-2 vs inori. Inori beat him just that one time, MC is a better pvper overall. MC and Oz have the best pvp.
PvP is MC's worst match up...
Oz,InCa and Inori definitely better than MC at PvP.
How is inori better at PvP than MC? He is 2-8 in PvP and lost to MC like 3 times. MC also has basically the same win % as Inca but has more games than Inca and beat him. Inori is so overrated at that matchup it's not even funny.
tlpd records isnt everything. FXOz %41 against Terran but i can say his PvT is top 3 in Korea.
also you should look latest tournaments MC played,he always out of tournament because of PvP.
Even if you disregard the fact MC has an insane winrate, Inori is still immensely overrated in PvP. He beat MC once, every other time MC owned him. And his stats are fucking awful.
Just saying,STATS ISNT EVERYTHING.
HuK have 45% PvP in Korea but he is 5-4 ahead against MC.
MC's PvP isnt in top 3,even Puzzle better than him.
How? You have no actual argument for that. Puzzle just lost to parting, he hasn't ever beaten MC, he has worse winrates, how is he better than MC?
I'm sorry I didn't know TLPD was the end-all be all for databases. I watched HerO and HuK both lose to him(Inori) in MLG and on IPL very convincingly. If you go just by TLPD...DRG's ZvT is his worst matchup, did you know that?
TLPD ISNT EVERYTHING.
PROVIDE AN ARGUMENT.
TLPD lists all games from the beginning of time for a player.
It doesn't take in to account patches that change a match up, a change in teams or play style from the player that may have significantly changed their win rate.
TLPD lists Happy and mOOnGLaDe in the top five foreigners and Curious as the fourth best Korean.
That isn't "the best," it's who has been performing the best at that time. Happy and mOOnGLaDe both recently have been playing well, but their overall records are somewhat telling of what their best match-ups are.
On February 01 2012 10:49 zefreak wrote: EG has no chance with ForGG, Supernova, Nada and Inca for JP
why use inca against JYP? JYP has pretty good vP, whereas any terran on oGs will rape his face.
While I agree, Inca's PvP is one of the best in the world.
If by "the best" you mean he knows the most gimmicky builds that half of the people have never even seen before, then yes, he does. Look at his vP results. His most recent games were against Oz, who beat him 2-1 and basically dismantled him. Oz played far better than InCa.
There is this odd idea that InCa has "the best" PvP," but it's just something that was just a statement that Tastosis used to repeat back when next to nothing was known about the game/there was a completely different metagame. Before his game against Oz he hasn't played a televised PvP since September, where he beat GuineaPig in the ESV. Before that, he lost to MC in GSL, and to find any more InCa PvP results you'd have to go back to May.
Oz, MC, Puzzle, JYP, Creator, and PartinG all have better PvP.
How do you know this if Inca hasn't played any televised PvP matches since May? You're just being biased as hell.
He played Oz in PvP in the GSL two weeks ago... (and lost)
On February 01 2012 11:13 dragonborn wrote: [quote] PvP is MC's worst match up...
Oz,InCa and Inori definitely better than MC at PvP.
How is inori better at PvP than MC? He is 2-8 in PvP and lost to MC like 3 times. MC also has basically the same win % as Inca but has more games than Inca and beat him. Inori is so overrated at that matchup it's not even funny.
tlpd records isnt everything. FXOz %41 against Terran but i can say his PvT is top 3 in Korea.
also you should look latest tournaments MC played,he always out of tournament because of PvP.
Even if you disregard the fact MC has an insane winrate, Inori is still immensely overrated in PvP. He beat MC once, every other time MC owned him. And his stats are fucking awful.
Just saying,STATS ISNT EVERYTHING.
HuK have 45% PvP in Korea but he is 5-4 ahead against MC.
MC's PvP isnt in top 3,even Puzzle better than him.
How? You have no actual argument for that. Puzzle just lost to parting, he hasn't ever beaten MC, he has worse winrates, how is he better than MC?
I'm sorry I didn't know TLPD was the end-all be all for databases. I watched HerO and HuK both lose to him(Inori) in MLG and on IPL very convincingly. If you go just by TLPD...DRG's ZvT is his worst matchup, did you know that?
TLPD ISNT EVERYTHING.
PROVIDE AN ARGUMENT.
i just saw your posts in MC's fan club..
i understand you,you are a fanboy.
its hard to accept but MC sucks at PvP.
He may well be a fanboy, but you are just the same at the opposite end of the scale it seems. MC sucks at PvP? Really? There may be some better than him in the matchup, but to say he downright sucks in the matchup is absurd.
Thats why he is out of 80% tournaments because of PvP?
Really disappointed with EG's play in this series. They certainly aren't the clear favorite in this match-up but being down 4-1 is not what I expected.
i dont agree with the casters. most code a protoss shouldve been able to hold that. jyp lost more than he needed to even though stc didnt excute that 2rax perfectly
On February 01 2012 10:49 zefreak wrote: EG has no chance with ForGG, Supernova, Nada and Inca for JP
why use inca against JYP? JYP has pretty good vP, whereas any terran on oGs will rape his face.
While I agree, Inca's PvP is one of the best in the world.
If by "the best" you mean he knows the most gimmicky builds that half of the people have never even seen before, then yes, he does. Look at his vP results. His most recent games were against Oz, who beat him 2-1 and basically dismantled him. Oz played far better than InCa.
There is this odd idea that InCa has "the best" PvP," but it's just something that was just a statement that Tastosis used to repeat back when next to nothing was known about the game/there was a completely different metagame. Before his game against Oz he hasn't played a televised PvP since September, where he beat GuineaPig in the ESV. Before that, he lost to MC in GSL, and to find any more InCa PvP results you'd have to go back to May.
Oz, MC, Puzzle, JYP, Creator, and PartinG all have better PvP.
Since the games against GuineaPig he has beaten Squirtle, YoungHwa and Tails in the KSL Team League and Mentalist and Daisy to qualify for Code A additionally
EPT
