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Probasaur
Profile Joined August 2011
United States461 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-01-30 03:16:24
January 30 2012 03:15 GMT
#301
LIQUIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIID

Is bigger than your's.



Amazing defensive play with his back against the ropes Ret is so smooth under pressure. Smooth operator of them banes.
"He who makes a beast of himself.... gets rid of the pain of being a man" -Hunter S Thompson.
Bagration
Profile Blog Joined October 2011
United States18282 Posts
January 30 2012 03:15 GMT
#302
Congrats Liquid
Team Slayers, Axiom-Acer and Vile forever
bennyaus
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
Australia1833 Posts
January 30 2012 03:16 GMT
#303
Sick hold by Ret given that he didn't scout the 6 rax.
I play Random - HuK, DRG + Liquid fan
yoshi245
Profile Joined May 2011
United States2974 Posts
January 30 2012 03:16 GMT
#304
Props to Ret for holding it too. I am liking the suicidal spoon Terran play by Tzain.
"Numbers speak about the past, not the present." -Thorzain
CosmicSpiral
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States15275 Posts
January 30 2012 03:16 GMT
#305
On January 30 2012 12:12 -y0shi- wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 30 2012 12:10 CosmicSpiral wrote:
On January 30 2012 12:08 -y0shi- wrote:
On January 30 2012 12:05 Werx wrote:
How did Thorzain get 30 supply ahead 12 minutes in with ghosts out, better upgrades, and more harvesters.. I mean, what the hell?

Then the guy ends up with 13 ghosts and still more supply at the end.. I haven't seen a macro stomping of that magnitude in a long time.


Anyone, please? I refuse to believe one can be soo much better at macro, what happened ?_?


Hero's build is extremely greedy and meant to gain map control, so it skips standard production for a fast third and blink (I imagine it is supposed to feign 4 gate pressure). Thorzain did a standard two medivac push with stim and wiped out most of Hero's army, and from there he just got more stuff.


What confuses me is that thorzain was up 15? supply when hero started building his 3rd


Hero put down his twilight council extremely quickly, just after his 2nd and 3rd gates. And he cut his production severely to get a high enough probe count and the third.
WriterWovon man nicht sprechen kann, darüber muß man schweigen.
Tula
Profile Joined December 2010
Austria1544 Posts
January 30 2012 03:16 GMT
#306
Wonder why Thorzain went for such a cheese in an ace match.

Concerning the setup: why can't different leagues be different? Proleague runs a similar setup for part of the season, and it enjoys much popularity.
Nethermind
Profile Joined April 2011
New Zealand445 Posts
January 30 2012 03:16 GMT
#307
Wow Ret, that was very impressive!
Jisall
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
United States2054 Posts
January 30 2012 03:16 GMT
#308
Ite ThorZaIN got the cheese out of his system.
The Spoon tolls for thee Ret.
Prepare for a thousand lashes of Spoon.
ThorZaIN turning on Overdrive time.
Monk: Because being a badass is more fun then playing a dude wearing a scarf.. ... Ite fuck it, Witch Doctor cuz I like killing stuff in a timely mannor.
Nethermind
Profile Joined April 2011
New Zealand445 Posts
January 30 2012 03:16 GMT
#309
On January 30 2012 12:16 Tula wrote:
Wonder why Thorzain went for such a cheese in an ace match.

Concerning the setup: why can't different leagues be different? Proleague runs a similar setup for part of the season, and it enjoys much popularity.


Best of 3 btw pretty sure.
GhandiEAGLE
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States20754 Posts
January 30 2012 03:16 GMT
#310
YEAH BABY

So happy liquid won there, I was flipping tables when Mouz was making the comeback. When those crawlers went down i was like FUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUU
Oh, my achin' hands, from rakin' in grands, and breakin' in mic stands
shindigs
Profile Blog Joined May 2009
United States4795 Posts
January 30 2012 03:16 GMT
#311
RET YOU MONSTER
Photographer@shindags || twitch.tv/shindigs
CosmicSpiral
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States15275 Posts
January 30 2012 03:16 GMT
#312
This was Ret vs Theogenis all over again, except with more fail.
WriterWovon man nicht sprechen kann, darüber muß man schweigen.
AdrianHealey
Profile Joined January 2011
Belgium480 Posts
January 30 2012 03:17 GMT
#313
So Ret absolutely, totally scouts a two rax and it is still really difficult to hold.

Balance? Or Thorzain is way better than Ret?
I love.
LlamaNamedOsama
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
United States1900 Posts
January 30 2012 03:17 GMT
#314
On January 30 2012 12:16 Tula wrote:
Wonder why Thorzain went for such a cheese in an ace match.

Concerning the setup: why can't different leagues be different? Proleague runs a similar setup for part of the season, and it enjoys much popularity.


It's a bo3 for the ace match, that's why.
Dario Wünsch: I guess...Creator...met his maker *sunglasses*
ticklishmusic
Profile Blog Joined August 2011
United States15977 Posts
January 30 2012 03:17 GMT
#315
Blunders on both sides there... after his initial hold, Ret lost a ton of lings when he could've attacked rax and Thorzain's main and won there probably/ Not sure how he held so well in his main vs. the marines though, but ok.
(╯°□°)╯︵ ┻━┻
Darkhorse
Profile Blog Joined December 2011
United States23455 Posts
January 30 2012 03:17 GMT
#316
On January 30 2012 12:14 mrtomjones wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 30 2012 12:12 Darkhoarse wrote:
On January 30 2012 12:04 mrtomjones wrote:
On January 30 2012 12:03 Darkhoarse wrote:
this tournament format is sooooo dumb. why do this when every other team tourney follows the same format?

Why do the same format as everyone else?

Because it quite obviously works... ever heard of the GSTL? that format works pretty well i've heard.

And this one doesn't? All it doesn't allow for is for you to pick your opponent. Oh no.

Part of the strategy of team leagues is the ability to pick your counter to an opposing player. That is why teams with perhaps less overall skill, such as Prime, can make it to the GSTL finals over teams like IM, due to better strategy and player choosing. I like that more then just lets match up some players and have at it. Sue me.
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Darkhorse
Profile Blog Joined December 2011
United States23455 Posts
January 30 2012 03:17 GMT
#317
On January 30 2012 12:14 1Eris1 wrote:
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On January 30 2012 12:13 Darkhoarse wrote:
I dont like to cry imba... but really? thorzain abusing a really cheesy and op strat



It's not OP, you can counter it if you micro right and scout.

Which ret has done

I guess I'll eat my words I didnt expect ret to hold.
WriterRecently Necro'd (?)
LlamaNamedOsama
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
United States1900 Posts
January 30 2012 03:18 GMT
#318
On January 30 2012 12:15 HuKPOWA wrote:
would have liked to see an earlier baneling nest and a few more spines :\


? He started the baneling nest as soon as he scouted the mass rax, going for banelings nest that early without using it to counter mass rax would hurt your economy, and spines lose cost efficiency at a certain point, Ret struck the right balance and pulled it off ^^
Dario Wünsch: I guess...Creator...met his maker *sunglasses*
iSometric
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
2221 Posts
January 30 2012 03:18 GMT
#319
Holy shit. Go Zenio.
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PH
Profile Blog Joined June 2008
United States6173 Posts
January 30 2012 03:19 GMT
#320
On January 30 2012 12:12 Darkhoarse wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 30 2012 12:04 mrtomjones wrote:
On January 30 2012 12:03 Darkhoarse wrote:
this tournament format is sooooo dumb. why do this when every other team tourney follows the same format?

Why do the same format as everyone else?

Because it quite obviously works... ever heard of the GSTL? that format works pretty well i've heard.

You're implying that this format doesn't work?

This format was used for more than five years in BW Proleague, and it's a great standard and staple format. The all-kill format (what GSTL and IPL TAC use) is a good format as well, but it doesn't allow for the kind of intense preparation the Ace match format does.

They both work. If you don't like this format, then that's really just you. I prefer the Ace format. OH NO.
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