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ratzp0li
United States340 Posts
On January 27 2012 13:07 CosmicSpiral wrote: Really? Morrow was in control of that entire game. ^^not really, there was a time when it was only 3 base vs 3 base, if SaSe has walled off and defended his 3rd probably he could have probably won it with super mobile blink stalker harrass + archon toilet abuse | ||
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The Final Boss
United States1839 Posts
On January 27 2012 13:04 Dark.Carnival wrote: ;_; if only agh won, we'd have naniwa and sase to vs. morrow, and morrows zvp didn't look too strong that last game so we probably would've won. also sucks we got bottom seed and had to play mouz first round >< Did you watch that game? Or even the last engagement? MorroW was in control at the beginning, looked like he could be in a bit of trouble, but managed to delay SaSe until he had Broodlords. Once MorroW had the Broods there was no way where SaSe could win. But MorroW's constant counter-attacks were greatly executed. I don't know about anybody else, but I was really impressed. | ||
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The Final Boss
United States1839 Posts
On January 27 2012 13:10 ratzp0li wrote: ^^not really, there was a time when it was only 3 base vs 3 base, if SaSe has walled off and defended his 3rd probably he could have probably won it with super mobile blink stalker harrass + archon toilet abuse There was literally no chance of him getting out a Mothership, so no archon toilet abuse. What a stupid comment. | ||
CosmicSpiral
United States15275 Posts
On January 27 2012 13:10 ratzp0li wrote: ^^not really, there was a time when it was only 3 base vs 3 base, if SaSe has walled off and defended his 3rd probably he could have probably won it with super mobile blink stalker harrass + archon toilet abuse Morrow willingly gave up two bases (one of them twice) to secure a broodlord/infestor army and even then, his zerglings were more than enough to kill the third by themselves and force Sase to all-in. And since Sase couldn't secure his fifth and sixth geysers, he couldn't get archons and mothership simultaneously. Morrow's army was flat-out better and it was never in danger of being killed. | ||
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IMLyte
Canada714 Posts
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Dark.Carnival
United States5095 Posts
On January 27 2012 13:13 The Final Boss wrote: Did you watch that game? Or even the last engagement? MorroW was in control at the beginning, looked like he could be in a bit of trouble, but managed to delay SaSe until he had Broodlords. Once MorroW had the Broods there was no way where SaSe could win. But MorroW's constant counter-attacks were greatly executed. I don't know about anybody else, but I was really impressed. I watched the replay. I didn't say Morrow played bad, just that his ZvP didn't look scary. So if Agh had won... we'd have had Naniwa and Sase to play against him, both very good at PvZ living in the same house. If one lost the other would have been watching and can go into the next game with a good idea of how to win. | ||
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The Final Boss
United States1839 Posts
On January 27 2012 13:19 Mutality wrote: wow that was closer than i expected, great play by destiny vs mana really loved his pure muta comp That game was painful to watch. I play Terran so I don't really know much about the match-up, but oh my goodness. After watching that I think I realized where all the "Muta OP" cries out of Protoss players come from. | ||
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Rabbet
Canada404 Posts
I much prefer to watch these team arenas every night and occasionally miss one over having to sacrifice a weekend for a marathon 1v1 tourney. Much more suspenseful, lots of color commentating and some surprises in there too. GJ mouz, your team is awesome. | ||
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Dexington
Canada7276 Posts
On January 27 2012 13:21 Dark.Carnival wrote: I watched the replay. I didn't say Morrow played bad, just that his ZvP didn't look scary. So if Agh had won... we'd have had Naniwa and Sase to play against him, both very good at PvZ living in the same house. If one lost the other would have been watching and can go into the next game with a good idea of how to win. You're assuming biGs wouldn't beat Naniwa. | ||
Inflicted
Australia18228 Posts
On January 27 2012 13:28 The Final Boss wrote: That game was painful to watch. I play Terran so I don't really know much about the match-up, but oh my goodness. After watching that I think I realized where all the "Muta OP" cries out of Protoss players come from. I didn't watch the game, but if the comp was PURE muta/spines throughout most of the game, then you have Combat-EX to blame for teaching him it. | ||
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ratzp0li
United States340 Posts
On January 27 2012 13:13 CosmicSpiral wrote: Morrow willingly gave up two bases (one of them twice) to secure a broodlord/infestor army and even then, his zerglings were more than enough to kill the third by themselves and force Sase to all-in. And since Sase couldn't secure his fifth and sixth geysers, he couldn't get archons and mothership simultaneously. Morrow's army was flat-out better and it was never in danger of being killed. The reason why SaSe lost is because he didn't defend his third base properly and was therefore forced to all-in, which we all know versus a wall of spines and maxed broodlords/infestors is suicide. However, archon toilet stalker/ht colossus can clean up an equal supply BL/infestor army if the protoss gets in a good position/gets good vortexes. And long before that engagement happens, the protoss can easily abuse the immobility of the broodlords by blinking his stalkers around, perhaps taking out the tech/GS in the zerg's main. There was a lot of ways that SaSe could have won this. On January 27 2012 13:13 The Final Boss wrote: There was literally no chance of him getting out a Mothership, so no archon toilet abuse. What a stupid comment. Again, it boiled down to SaSe's third getting sniped twice(!). That was terrible. | ||
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illsick
United States1770 Posts
On January 27 2012 13:47 ratzp0li wrote: The reason why SaSe lost is because he didn't defend his third base properly and was therefore forced to all-in, which we all know versus a wall of spines and maxed broodlords/infestors is suicide. However, archon toilet stalker/ht colossus can clean up an equal supply BL/infestor army if the protoss gets in a good position/gets good vortexes. And long before that engagement happens, the protoss can easily abuse the immobility of the broodlords by blinking his stalkers around, perhaps taking out the tech/GS in the zerg's main. There was a lot of ways that SaSe could have won this, don't be closed-minded. we know what is a good toss unit composition, you don't have to say it your assessment is made so generally and had nothing to do with the game that was seen you can say at the start before watching even this game that mothership/colossus/HT/stalker/archons would be the key to victory but if you were actually commenting about the game, it would be difficult for him to tech up to colossus and mothership; he had to go deny morrow's expansions, which he did to make it somewhat close. He lost his first big engagement pretty badly. | ||
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CosmicSpiral
United States15275 Posts
On January 27 2012 13:47 ratzp0li wrote: The reason why SaSe lost is because he didn't defend his third base properly and was therefore forced to all-in, which we all know versus a wall of spines and maxed broodlords/infestors is suicide. However, archon toilet stalker/ht colossus can clean up an equal supply BL/infestor army if the protoss gets in a good position/gets good vortexes. And long before that engagement happens, the protoss can easily abuse the immobility of the broodlords by blinking his stalkers around, perhaps taking out the tech/GS in the zerg's main. There was a lot of ways that SaSe could have won this. Again, it boiled down to SaSe's third getting sniped twice(!). That was terrible. And that's entirely possible once you get a third...oh snap, Morrow never let him maintain a third. Truth of the matter is Morrow is a progamer and he knows exactly how to limit his opponent's options while strengthening his own. By spending his gas on an infestor/BL army and using cheap units to deny expansions he forced Sase to get aggressive with his army, leaving himself open to more counterpressure when his army was in the middle of the map. And since Sase was behind the entire game he couldn't afford the cutesy little harass you're suggesting. Blink stalkers are not cheap. | ||
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ChuCky.Ca
Canada2497 Posts
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ratzp0li
United States340 Posts
On January 27 2012 14:01 CosmicSpiral wrote: And that's entirely possible once you get a third...oh snap, Morrow never let him maintain a third. Truth of the matter is Morrow is a progamer and he knows exactly how to limit his opponent's options while strengthening his own. By spending his gas on an infestor/BL army and using cheap units to deny expansions he forced Sase to get aggressive with his army, leaving himself open to more counterpressure when his army was in the middle of the map. And since Sase was behind the entire game he couldn't afford the cutesy little harass you're suggesting. Blink stalkers are not cheap. Exactly bro. SaSe didn't wall off his third properly and Morrow abused this fact to his advantage. If he had walled off with proper defenses then there would have been only one location SaSe would have had to place his army to defend all three of his bases. Three base toss is generally sufficient to amass a powerful deathball army to counter infestor/bl. No weak-ass roach/ling runbys, broodlords get flushed, and SaSe shows why he is Quantic's true ace. | ||
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Fishriot
United States621 Posts
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pripple
Finland1714 Posts
im glad there is the rebroadcast :-) go Mouz! | ||
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jjhchsc2
Korea (South)2393 Posts
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Deleted User 183001
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Whatson
United States5357 Posts
On January 27 2012 14:18 ratzp0li wrote: Exactly bro. SaSe didn't wall off his third properly and Morrow abused this fact to his advantage. If he had walled off with proper defenses then there would have been only one location SaSe would have had to place his army to defend all three of his bases. Three base toss is generally sufficient to amass a powerful deathball army to counter infestor/bl. No weak-ass roach/ling runbys, broodlords get flushed, and SaSe shows why he is Quantic's true ace. You use 'if' a lot. Morrow outplayed SaSe. That's really all there was to it. | ||
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