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Don't forget about today's EG.IdrA vs SlayerSTaeja showmatch!The Korean Weekly is going to start off with a bang! Two of the best and brightest players in the scene, EG.IdrA and SlayerS.Taeja will battle out on the debut of the Korean Weekly Season 2! With $400 in prizes thanks to Twitch TV these two titans will battle in an epic Best of 7 series! EG's IdrA needs no introduction, he is one of the very premiere players representing the Non-Korean scene, and one of the most consistent Zerg players. His heavy macro style has paved the way for Zerg players around the planet, and he remains the most popular player in Starcraft II by far. SlayerS.Taeja is the undisputed king of the Korean Weekly, with a resume that reads like no other in the tournament. He has achieved 6 1st place finishes, a second place, and a fourth making him the most dominant players the Korean Weekly history by and far. Recently dropping down to Code A by the hands of none other then his mentor and coach SlayerS.Boxer, he is one of the most promising Terrans heading into 2012.
Poll: Who will win?SlayerS.Taeja (2011) 50% EG.IdrA (1985) 50% 3996 total votes Your vote: Who will win? (Vote): EG.IdrA
(Vote): SlayerS.Taeja
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Taeja is winning the poll!!!!
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On January 17 2012 01:17 Superouman wrote:
Taeja is winning the poll!!!!
(currently) by 1 vote.
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So pumped for this weekly! So many great players hopefully means a lot of great games.
Looks like we have a chance for a lot of Protoss play which is awesome since I am trying to learn to play P.
Also GO TAEJA!
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This poll......so balanced o.O
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Taeja will win convincingly, I want him to do well since he already didn't make it into Code S.
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On January 17 2012 02:04 VirgilSC2 wrote:
This poll......so balanced o.O
I think most people don't want to vote because it's so even lol.
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Am I crazy or are there really 16 matches to be played today?
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On January 17 2012 07:42 densha wrote:
Am I crazy or are there really 16 matches to be played today?
Not crazy, 16 matches, but about half are bo1
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On January 17 2012 07:42 densha wrote:
Am I crazy or are there really 16 matches to be played today?
You're not crazy, you just died and went to nerd-heaven
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ITTTTTTTTT'SSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSS
TTIIIIIIIIIIIIIMEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE!!!!!!!!!!
http://www.esvtv.com
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idra is not code s anymore, orb. he was for 2 matches.
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On January 17 2012 08:12 Swiv wrote:
idra is not code s anymore, orb. he was for 2 matches.
Technically he is still code S. Even if you fall to Code A you're still Code S unless you fail to get straight back into Code S.
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Yeah, it starts!  Midnight in Europe isn´t too bad to watch when your student :D Was always nice to watch a bit Korean Weekly before sleeping. 1 or 2 hours ealier would not hurt ofc, but hey we don´t have to wake up at 4 in the night to watch GSL.
And I think I never saw a longer OP 
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Such a good map pool 0_0
How I wish something like this was the tournament standard.
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What happened to the graphics settings?
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live or replay?
ragequitooooooo
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Orb left it on low graphics, I'm letting him know.
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On January 17 2012 08:21 milesfacade wrote:
Low graphics =(
Why, why, why :C They have some really beautiful maps here, why low graphics ;(
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Please change the graphics, makes it difficult to watch.
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Hehe orb obs'ing on low settings TT
Oh well, seen enough games like this by now to not mind too much
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what is wrong with this shit graphics quality
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ninja barracks are ninja >< IdrA should be able to hold this if he spines up his main, his speed is fast enough to kick in before too many rines come in
edit: or nvm... ye
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well that was fucking terrible by idra..lol
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great first game
very exciting, 10/10
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On January 17 2012 08:22 Diamond wrote:
Orb left it on low graphics, I'm letting him know.
Thank you very much!
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Yaaaay Idra showing that Korean training off...
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LOL!! Idra will tilt now! :p
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I can just imagine the SlayerS terrans laughing their asses off.
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Idra as terrible as ever at holding off proxy two rax.
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lol, that didn't suprise me at all.
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On January 17 2012 08:25 garbodor wrote:
great first game
very exciting, 10/10
-.- poorly defended bunker rush...
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seems he learned something from zenio's code s play
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Just terrible SC to watch.
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As soon as I saw the dual proxy Barracks, I knew that ragequit was shortly incoming. Some people never fail to deliver!
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On January 17 2012 08:25 gullberg wrote:
I can just imagine the SlayerS terrans laughing their asses off.
You play to win the game!
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This is pretty much exactly how Zenio lost his match.
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Lol no GG.
If it wasn't a teammate I probably wouldn't either.
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wow ragequit.... poor IdrA
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On January 17 2012 08:25 CeriseCherries wrote:Show nested quote +On January 17 2012 08:25 garbodor wrote:
great first game
very exciting, 10/10 -.- poorly defended bunker rush...
More like, he didn't even try...
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On January 17 2012 08:26 SC2Chaos wrote:
Just terrible SC to watch.
I disagree, most of the enjoyment of Idra is watching him lose/rage/early gg...
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pretty pathetic spot to pool your lings up. -_-
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It saddens me to see how often zergs still lose to a 4 minute rush build that it's done since beta.
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On January 17 2012 08:28 cyclone25 wrote:
It saddens me to see how often zergs still lose to a 4 minute rush build that it's done since beta.
New and unknow 2 players map make a good 2rax proxy nice to use on.
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On January 17 2012 08:28 cyclone25 wrote:
It saddens me to see how often zergs still lose to a 4 minute rush build that it's done since beta.
Bunker/cannon/early pool rushes have been successful since the dawn of time :p
Please bunker rush again Taeja :D
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Funny how many people think IdrA is ragequitting... Not GGing doesn't mean rage. It just means he doesn't think it was a Good Game. Christ. :p
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On January 17 2012 08:29 gullberg wrote:Show nested quote +On January 17 2012 08:28 cyclone25 wrote:
It saddens me to see how often zergs still lose to a 4 minute rush build that it's done since beta.
Bunker/cannon/early pool rushes have been successful since the dawn of time :p
The ratio of successful 2 rax vs cannon rush or 6 pool at the pro level must be something like 100 to 1.
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On January 17 2012 08:28 cyclone25 wrote:
It saddens me to see how often zergs still lose to a 4 minute rush build that it's done since [x]beta[/x] BroodWar.
That's how soft build order counters work and always will. Hence the name.
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On January 17 2012 08:29 gullberg wrote:Show nested quote +On January 17 2012 08:28 cyclone25 wrote:
It saddens me to see how often zergs still lose to a 4 minute rush build that it's done since beta.
Bunker/cannon/early pool rushes have been successful since the dawn of time :p Please bunker rush again Taeja :D
zactly..
XD
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On January 17 2012 08:28 cyclone25 wrote:
It saddens me to see how often zergs still lose to a 4 minute rush build that it's done since beta.
With SC2 going towards bigger and bigger maps, why is that at all surprising to you?
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On January 17 2012 08:28 cyclone25 wrote:
It saddens me to see how often zergs still lose to a 4 minute rush build that it's done since beta.
It saddens me that Idra doesn't expect people to rush him in the first game of a series since he is known for loving long macro games and is known for tilting...
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ok let's get on with the amazing PvZs lined up. gogo sase desrow!
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On January 17 2012 08:28 cyclone25 wrote:
It saddens me to see how often zergs still lose to a 4 minute rush build that it's done since beta.
thats because its an incredibly strong rush
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On January 17 2012 08:30 Stiluz wrote:
Funny how many people think IdrA is ragequitting... Not GGing doesn't mean rage. It just means he doesn't think it was a Good Game. Christ. :p
It may not mean rage, but it does show a lack of sportsmanship, all Koreans gg, and just about every good foreigner out there also ggs.
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On January 17 2012 08:27 Weird wrote:I disagree, most of the enjoyment of Idra is watching him lose/rage/early gg...
He's easily one of the most polarizing personalities in SC and I can't help but cheer for him.
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On January 17 2012 08:32 Weird wrote:Show nested quote +On January 17 2012 08:30 Stiluz wrote:
Funny how many people think IdrA is ragequitting... Not GGing doesn't mean rage. It just means he doesn't think it was a Good Game. Christ. :p It may not mean rage, but it does show a lack of sportsmanship, all Koreans gg, and just about every good foreigner out there also ggs.
They set the showmatch hoping he would rage and be bm. They know the viewers love it.
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that's a really late gas, wonder if he's going to grab a third before speed o.O would kinda work on this map esp after he scouted the cc first build
edit: or 4 queen, cool shit like this on daybreak
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On January 17 2012 08:32 Cerz wrote:Show nested quote +On January 17 2012 08:28 cyclone25 wrote:
It saddens me to see how often zergs still lose to a 4 minute rush build that it's done since beta.
It saddens me that Idra doesn't expect people to rush him in the first game of a series since he is known for loving long macro games and is known for tilting...
He probably practiced hundreds of games vs bunker rushes. I think there is no clear answer to them, otherwise bunker rushes won't be so successful.
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On January 17 2012 08:30 Stiluz wrote:
Funny how many people think IdrA is ragequitting... Not GGing doesn't mean rage. It just means he doesn't think it was a Good Game. Christ. :p
But...DRAMA!
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On January 17 2012 08:35 Badfatpanda wrote:
that's a really late gas, wonder if he's going to grab a third before speed o.O would kinda work on this map
Since Reactor Hellion is a possible follow-up after CC first, not really.
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Heh, 7minute third from Taeja is nice.
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On January 17 2012 08:35 cyclone25 wrote:Show nested quote +On January 17 2012 08:32 Cerz wrote:On January 17 2012 08:28 cyclone25 wrote:
It saddens me to see how often zergs still lose to a 4 minute rush build that it's done since beta.
It saddens me that Idra doesn't expect people to rush him in the first game of a series since he is known for loving long macro games and is known for tilting... He probably practiced hundreds of games vs bunker rushes. I think there is no clear answer to them, otherwise bunker rushes won't be so successful.
There are good answers. You see few bunker rushes in GSL these days, many players can defend nicely and than the Terran is behind by a good margin.
I saw a game on Idras stream against ForGG where ragequit the moment he saw the proxy barracks. He doesnt really put effort in practising against it. He rufeses to accept it as a part of the game.
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On January 17 2012 08:36 TheDwf wrote:Show nested quote +On January 17 2012 08:35 Badfatpanda wrote:
that's a really late gas, wonder if he's going to grab a third before speed o.O would kinda work on this map Since Reactor Hellion is a possible follow-up after CC first, not really.
actually daybreak plays similar to metal, if you get a no gas 3rd hatch you can get roaches up in time to deny hellion harass from a cc first, a lot of pros have been using it to combat the eco build meta in tvz atm.
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heh, the banelings looks like fireflies without wings
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is that wacksteven casting?
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On January 17 2012 08:38 00Visor wrote:Show nested quote +On January 17 2012 08:35 cyclone25 wrote:On January 17 2012 08:32 Cerz wrote:On January 17 2012 08:28 cyclone25 wrote:
It saddens me to see how often zergs still lose to a 4 minute rush build that it's done since beta.
It saddens me that Idra doesn't expect people to rush him in the first game of a series since he is known for loving long macro games and is known for tilting... He probably practiced hundreds of games vs bunker rushes. I think there is no clear answer to them, otherwise bunker rushes won't be so successful. There are good answers. You see few bunker rushes in GSL these days, many players can defend nicely and than the Terran is behind by a good margin. I saw a game on Idras stream against ForGG where ragequit the moment he saw the proxy barracks. He doesnt really put effort in practising against it. He rufeses to accept it as a part of the game.
If you watch GSL frequently (yesterdays/todays games depending on your time zone) you would know that Zenio lost his Code S Ro16 spot to Gumiho due to a bunker rush. The risk of losing a bunker and 2-3 marines is a trade I take any day of the week against the chance of killing a zergs fast hatch.
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hrm burrow's coming up, guess he's going to exploit how large the map is, investing that much energy in scans during a push is a huge commitment and I don't see taeja getting a raven >.>
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Is this just me or colours in this game are more colourfull than usual? Are they using that "Stronger Team Colour" mod?
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On January 17 2012 08:41 IMoperator wrote:
is that wacksteven casting?
It is indeed.
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What is the full map pool?
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What a horrible engagement haha
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GS on the way and he's remaxing on lings, taeja has maintained his pushing army but IdrA rushed the engage, gg
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WTF, Idra had that. He was playing really really well.
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Taeja is SO GODDAMN GODLY.
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wow.. nice play from taeja.
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Soooo many wasted banelings 
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WTF was that from idra? I just don't get it ...
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Terrible terrible control by idra. Can't believe that.
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Idra had that until he crashed all those banelings into the thor D:
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4-0 incomin , as i thought idra gonna hav 0% chance of winninng this bo7
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On January 17 2012 08:42 Arc1 wrote:
Is this just me or colours in this game are more colourfull than usual? Are they using that "Stronger Team Colour" mod?
Yeah. Orb is half colorblind, so he always use the strong color mod.
It's quite unique to watch, not a bad thing.
And baneling as firefly are cute as hell. <3
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Yet agian IdrA does the muta clump trick...
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hah.. orb is pretty sweet though, lolz.
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Idra getting rocked by his own practice partner. Poor guy. Can't say we didn't see this coming tho. (Well, half of us).
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Still pissed off about that game. Idra had a huge lead until the final engagement, he was owning it. T_T
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On January 17 2012 08:46 Noocta wrote:Show nested quote +On January 17 2012 08:42 Arc1 wrote:
Is this just me or colours in this game are more colourfull than usual? Are they using that "Stronger Team Colour" mod? Yeah. Orb is half colorblind, so he always use the strong color mod. It's quite unique to watch, not a bad thing. And baneling as firefly are cute as hell. <3
They look amazing in teal or pink hehe.
Those Thor volleys <3
On January 17 2012 08:47 MCDayC wrote:
Still pissed off about that game. Idra had a huge lead until the final engagement, he was owning it. T_T
whaaat, Taeja was in great shape.
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On January 17 2012 08:47 MCDayC wrote:
Still pissed off about that game. Idra had a huge lead until the final engagement, he was owning it. T_T
What game were you watching? It sounds interesting.
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On January 17 2012 08:46 Noocta wrote:Show nested quote +On January 17 2012 08:42 Arc1 wrote:
Is this just me or colours in this game are more colourfull than usual? Are they using that "Stronger Team Colour" mod? Yeah.
Oh, so i'm not losing my mind, good to know. Also game looks imo better this way.
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On January 17 2012 08:42 Pipeline wrote:Show nested quote +On January 17 2012 08:38 00Visor wrote:On January 17 2012 08:35 cyclone25 wrote:On January 17 2012 08:32 Cerz wrote:On January 17 2012 08:28 cyclone25 wrote:
It saddens me to see how often zergs still lose to a 4 minute rush build that it's done since beta.
It saddens me that Idra doesn't expect people to rush him in the first game of a series since he is known for loving long macro games and is known for tilting... He probably practiced hundreds of games vs bunker rushes. I think there is no clear answer to them, otherwise bunker rushes won't be so successful. There are good answers. You see few bunker rushes in GSL these days, many players can defend nicely and than the Terran is behind by a good margin. I saw a game on Idras stream against ForGG where ragequit the moment he saw the proxy barracks. He doesnt really put effort in practising against it. He rufeses to accept it as a part of the game. If you watch GSL frequently (yesterdays/todays games depending on your time zone) you would know that Zenio lost his Code S Ro16 spot to Gumiho due to a bunker rush. The risk of losing a bunker and 2-3 marines is a trade I take any day of the week against the chance of killing a zergs fast hatch.
Its not the risk of losing some marines (and scvs!) but the risk you doesnt do enough damage and are behind economically.
Please discuss on an objective level and don't imply I'm not watching GSL.
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On January 17 2012 08:47 MCDayC wrote:
Still pissed off about that game. Idra had a huge lead until the final engagement, he was owning it. T_T
No he didn't, he was down to 3 base against 4 with poor upgrades.
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They keep saying clumped Mutas took Thor hits, but it looks more like, non-clumped Mutas flew over a bunch of Marines.
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On January 17 2012 08:47 MCDayC wrote:
Still pissed off about that game. Idra had a huge lead until the final engagement, he was owning it. T_T
Huge lead? We didn't see the same game.
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On January 17 2012 08:47 MCDayC wrote:
Still pissed off about that game. Idra had a huge lead until the final engagement, he was owning it. T_T
when was idra ahead?
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At 720P the game is lagging because of Orbs settings. Why havent they considered sending the replays to someone who can stream, observe and output ultra settings :|
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Taeja was always ahead in that game. Don't fool yourself by thinking otherwise.
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On January 17 2012 08:49 fcgog wrote:Show nested quote +On January 17 2012 08:47 MCDayC wrote:
Still pissed off about that game. Idra had a huge lead until the final engagement, he was owning it. T_T when was idra ahead?
Never :p
Taeja was in really good shape all game long, he played extremely well.
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Idra completely decimated Taeja's economy, and had a supply lead. Or am I suffering from the delayed affects of a weekend lumbar puncture?
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On January 17 2012 08:47 MCDayC wrote:
Still pissed off about that game. Idra had a huge lead until the final engagement, he was owning it. T_T
I understand the poll now ...
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On January 17 2012 08:50 MCDayC wrote:
Idra completely decimated Taeja's economy, and had a supply lead. Or am I suffering from the delayed affects of a weekend lumbar puncture?
Taeja threw away some scvs to banelings because he could afford to and it meant he could keep more marines alive to combat the mutas in his base.
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On January 17 2012 08:50 MCDayC wrote:
Idra completely decimated Taeja's economy, and had a supply lead. Or am I suffering from the delayed affects of a weekend lumbar puncture?
sorry to hear that, but Taeja still had a huge econ lead after killing IdrA's fourth and survived the engagement with more than enough units to finish the job. IdrA could have stayed and tried to sac his third and hope broods would kill off Taeja's army but...didn't look good
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On January 17 2012 08:50 MCDayC wrote:
Idra completely decimated Taeja's economy, and had a supply lead. Or am I suffering from the delayed affects of a weekend lumbar puncture?
But Idra lost his blings, some mutas and his fourth in exchange
Taeja has mules, can produce 4 worker at once, had the upgrade advantage and the better army. He was fine :p
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I like this map preview, way better than MLG map preview.
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On January 17 2012 08:50 MCDayC wrote:
Idra completely decimated Taeja's economy, and had a supply lead. Or am I suffering from the delayed affects of a weekend lumbar puncture?
You are.
Idra traded an army to kill a few scvs, and lost the game just after to the strong army of Taeja.
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On January 17 2012 08:50 MCDayC wrote:
Idra completely decimated Taeja's economy, and had a supply lead. Or am I suffering from the delayed affects of a weekend lumbar puncture?
Taeja was on 4 base (with Idra down to 3) and sacced some scv's at his nat to hold banelings.
He had better upgrades, huge econ, a full tech tree, and crazy infrastructure (14 marines 2 tanks at a time baby).
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why do idra units and buildings look funny?
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DEFINITELY see smiley faces ont he islands on this map
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On January 17 2012 08:53 L3g3nd_ wrote:
why do idra units and buildings look funny?
stronger team colors mod. makes it easy to differate mirrors especaly
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On January 17 2012 08:53 Hassybaby wrote:
DEFINITELY see smiley faces ont he islands on this map
Yes (:
What map is this btw?
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On January 17 2012 08:50 MCDayC wrote:
Idra completely decimated Taeja's economy, and had a supply lead. Or am I suffering from the delayed affects of a weekend lumbar puncture?
Supply lead doesn't mean much in a ZvT.
Everyone else has already explained why you were wrong about the economy part.
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On January 17 2012 08:53 L3g3nd_ wrote:
why do idra units and buildings look funny?
Orb is partly colorblind so he uses an enhanced color mod, nice 6666 post
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On January 17 2012 08:50 CosmicSpiral wrote:
Taeja was always ahead in that game. Don't fool yourself by thinking otherwise.
4 cc mule doesnt care if 10 scvs die lol + taeja had a huge upgrade lead
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It's not all in, he will just pressure with a bunch of roaches
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Idra's already tilt yeah, it's going to be over soon.
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Ye, that was a really risky bunker timing for a cc first build if you don't scout drones off gas >.> with tanks out he can defend but at what cost.
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Glad to see IdrA trying a different style. He did enough damage.
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On January 17 2012 08:56 Noocta wrote:Idra's already tilt yeah, it's going to be over soon.
eh? No...
He probably just knows how Taeja plays and countered it.
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Idra is so smart, puts the roach warren down right in front of Taeja's face, so Taeja definitely doesn't execpt it's going to be an semiallin roach push. Wp!
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This is slowly turning into a full all-in...still no third
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On January 17 2012 08:56 clusen wrote:
It's not all in, he will just pressure with a bunch of roaches
? Delay speed, delay lair, invest larva in a ton of roaches, get a roach warren when it's completely useless later in the game, esp if you're IdrA.
Pretty allin IMO, but a very good decision on this map after scouting cc first
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On January 17 2012 09:00 Hassybaby wrote:
This is slowly turning into a full all-in...still no third
Idra always goes muta before third.
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Idra has stage fright? I don't think we're talking about the same Greg Wacksteven.
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These banelings look amazing with this hightened colours.
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On January 17 2012 09:02 CosmicSpiral wrote:
Idra has stage fright? I don't think we're talking about the same Greg Wacksteven.
He's talking about Taeja.
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seems like Idra completely wasted his roach attack spending so much time attacking the bunker giving Taeja precious time to get a tank out. I think he should have skipped the bunker and just gone for SCVs/production, that might've lost him the game.
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On January 17 2012 09:02 marvin. wrote:Show nested quote +On January 17 2012 09:02 CosmicSpiral wrote:
Idra has stage fright? I don't think we're talking about the same Greg Wacksteven. He's talking about Taeja.
Taeja has nerves but he only falls apart in BO1s of a group stage.
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On January 17 2012 09:03 GP wrote:
seems like Idra completely wasted his roach attack spending so much time attacking the bunker giving Taeja precious time to get a tank out. I think he should have skipped the bunker and just gone for SCVs/production, that might've lost him the game.
Yeah definitely, especially when he didn't even need to snipe a depot to get into his base, just waltz around the bunker and halt his production, he even saw the 2 rines going into the bunker, they couldn't dps enough to kill all those roaches before they got away.
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That was brilliant by Taeja! Kill the scout at the tower, then, knowing Idra is going to try to counter attack his third, moved his army over there instead of acting... so smart.
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Upgrade Idra pleaaaase, with this kind of ressources it should be banned not to upgrade.
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200/200... "He has to get more drones if he wants to reinforce.".... nice one.
... kk typical Idra mindset, really disappointing.
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On January 17 2012 09:00 Badfatpanda wrote:Show nested quote +On January 17 2012 08:56 clusen wrote:
It's not all in, he will just pressure with a bunch of roaches ? Delay speed, delay lair, invest larva in a ton of roaches, get a roach warren when it's completely useless later in the game, esp if you're IdrA. Pretty allin IMO, but a very good decision on this map after scouting cc first
It's really not an all in, he started a queen as soon as he pushed and you don't do that when you all in with roaches and 20 drones ^^
You dont need fast speed vs 14cc and you can make up for the cost with scv kills, as he did, and it was a good choice imo if you consider that the passive "i macro better than you"-approach got abused pretty hard by Taeja on Daybreak.
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Good all idra
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wtf . Idra not upgrading enough and then leaving with a bigger army :/.
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Taeja just looks in complete control the whole time, brilliant play.
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Idra getting trounced.
Taeja's pretty good xD
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Idra not getting carapace upgrades for ground vs terran.... holy mother of batman. WHAT IS HE DOING?
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I feel strongly that IdrA could have won the game 7min in if he just moved his roaches into Taeja's main, once he allowed him to secure a third that game was over unless IdrA won the first engagement with a HUGE supply lead >.>
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Imagine how many skilled Koreans EG could buy with Idras salery T_T
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Idra can't even play against koreans...
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On January 17 2012 09:08 AysiktiriX wrote:
200/200... "He has to get more drones if he wants to reinforce.".... nice one.
... kk typical Idra mindset, really disappointing.
The statement was still true. He had to few drones to really resupply after the fight.
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did i fall for artosis uber hype re idra being 'beastly' because of all that Slayers training? Taeja seems to be all over idra on this one in cheese or macrogames.
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this isn't unbelievable it's completely believable
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On January 17 2012 09:08 AysiktiriX wrote:
200/200... "He has to get more drones if he wants to reinforce.".... nice one.
... kk typical Idra mindset, really disappointing.
well yeah he had so few drones he couldnt reinforce very much, a zerg at 80 drones can swarm lings roaches and banes forever
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Quite the show Idra is putting on in this showmatch. That match was not over.
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Idra is soooo sloppy about upgrading... Its just mindboggling.
And well, Idra being Idra at the end... not that he had a chance really, but he could have tried atleast...
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As much as I love Idra, this is definitely one of his worst showings I've seen so far....
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who the fuck is wacksteven
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On January 17 2012 09:09 Sub40APM wrote:
did i fall for artosis uber hype re idra being 'beastly' because of all that Slayers training? Taeja seems to be all over idra on this one in cheese or macrogames.
Training partners don't make the man. Remember KT Flash and Jaedong Oz?
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On January 17 2012 09:08 clusen wrote:Show nested quote +On January 17 2012 09:00 Badfatpanda wrote:On January 17 2012 08:56 clusen wrote:
It's not all in, he will just pressure with a bunch of roaches ? Delay speed, delay lair, invest larva in a ton of roaches, get a roach warren when it's completely useless later in the game, esp if you're IdrA. Pretty allin IMO, but a very good decision on this map after scouting cc first It's really not an all in, he started a queen as soon as he pushed and you don't do that when you all in with roaches and 20 drones ^^ You dont need fast speed vs 14cc and you can make up for the cost with scv kills, as he did, and it was a good choice imo if you consider that the passive "i macro better than you"-approach got abused pretty hard by Taeja on Daybreak.
It wasn't an all in but he should have taken a third instead of "rushing" for mutas when he spent his early gas on roaches.
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IdrA is losing hope (and I'm not talking only about this series).
I doubt he will be able to win anything in 2012.
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Well, we all knew what was likely to happen once IdrA lost the first game against a 2 rax proxy.
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On January 17 2012 09:11 FreshandLegit wrote:
who the fuck is wacksteven
Look at the screen, his name is Christopher Iannitti
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I'm listening to Demuslim commentating on this and he mentioned these were played just after Idra got to korea, so this isn't "SlayerS" Idra we're watching
Edit: ESV staff said it was 3 days ago, Demuslim was wrong, my apologies. Shame, Idra doesn't look in good shape.
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On January 17 2012 09:10 kyllinghest wrote:
Quite the show Idra is putting on in this showmatch. That match was not over.
It was over. 3 base terran > 3 base zerg. Also Taeja had 3k minerals, 2k gas, IdrA had nothing?
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On January 17 2012 09:12 cyclone25 wrote:Show nested quote +On January 17 2012 09:10 kyllinghest wrote:
Quite the show Idra is putting on in this showmatch. That match was not over. It was over. 3 base terran > 3 base zerg. Also Taeja had 3k minerals, 2k gas, IdrA had nothing?
comeback doesn't belong to his vocabulary that's all.
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On January 17 2012 09:12 Savern101 wrote:
I'm listening to Demuslim commentating on this and he mentioned these were played just after Idra got to korea, so this isn't "SlayerS" Idra we're watching
These games were played 3 nights ago. I know because I work for ESV.
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Taeja is really really solid. He can macro, turtle against mutas, dodge the banelings, transition into ghosts...it's like IdrA playing standard is already in a checkmate before the game begins.
The roach rush when he saw Taeja do CC first was nice. He needs to pull more smart moves like that.
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On January 17 2012 09:13 Recoil wrote:Show nested quote +On January 17 2012 09:12 Savern101 wrote:
I'm listening to Demuslim commentating on this and he mentioned these were played just after Idra got to korea, so this isn't "SlayerS" Idra we're watching These games were played 3 nights ago. I know because I work for ESV.
Glad to see this before the excuses start raining down.
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On January 17 2012 09:13 sAsImre wrote:Show nested quote +On January 17 2012 09:12 cyclone25 wrote:On January 17 2012 09:10 kyllinghest wrote:
Quite the show Idra is putting on in this showmatch. That match was not over. It was over. 3 base terran > 3 base zerg. Also Taeja had 3k minerals, 2k gas, IdrA had nothing? comeback doesn't belong to his vocabulary that's all.
I never saw a zerg coming back from being so far behind. He also had no banelings left, Taeja had plenty of marines near his bases.
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... kk typical Idra mindset, really disappointing.
Yeah. Honestly, I think it's the harshest thing I've ever said about a pro-gamer but I can't WAIT until IdrA is old news. I think he's kind of bad for e-sports with just giving up. Not even the early GGs, though that is part of it. Whether IdrA believes he can or he believes he can't defeat his opponent he ends up being right. It's that fatalistic mentality and it makes it SO HARD to be an EG fan. You'll never see IdrA fight off his back and back into it. Sure it'd be a long shot whenever he leaves early, but it's that heroic warrior spirit that I love to see, and IdrA just doesn't have it. As much as I'd like to tell myself I don't care whenever IdrA loses to a korean opponent when representing the foreign seen, the reality is he still ends up breaking my heart a little with every crushing defeat.
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On January 17 2012 09:12 Savern101 wrote:
I'm listening to Demuslim commentating on this and he mentioned these were played just after Idra got to korea, so this isn't "SlayerS" Idra we're watching
Oh wow, I didnt know Demuslim was casting it! Should have said that sooner.
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On January 17 2012 09:13 sAsImre wrote:Show nested quote +On January 17 2012 09:12 cyclone25 wrote:On January 17 2012 09:10 kyllinghest wrote:
Quite the show Idra is putting on in this showmatch. That match was not over. It was over. 3 base terran > 3 base zerg. Also Taeja had 3k minerals, 2k gas, IdrA had nothing? comeback doesn't belong to his vocabulary that's all.
I think its difficult to make a comeback as zerg in a straight up fight because of the binary nature of their attack move units (e.g. you either have enough, or you dont - very unlike something like MC's stalkers where he can play from behind and win because dat control).
He did try sending his mutalisks behind to try to slow down Taeja's economy but the marines were already there. I think he was out of time and out of options.
It's always nice to see him play it out though, but this is IdrA, he doesn't play a game out if he knows he's lost.
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This room is in slow mode and you are sending messages too quickly. You will be able to talk again in 22 minutes.
Haha, the chat loves idra ? 
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Idra is simply playing poorly. Not microing roaches away. Banelings hitting thors and tanks. Sending in banelings before tanks die.
Sending in mutas before zerglings. Etc.
Also his expand timings have been weird, they seem to be VERY late compared to normal?
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On January 17 2012 09:14 cyclone25 wrote:Show nested quote +On January 17 2012 09:13 sAsImre wrote:On January 17 2012 09:12 cyclone25 wrote:On January 17 2012 09:10 kyllinghest wrote:
Quite the show Idra is putting on in this showmatch. That match was not over. It was over. 3 base terran > 3 base zerg. Also Taeja had 3k minerals, 2k gas, IdrA had nothing? comeback doesn't belong to his vocabulary that's all. I never saw a zerg coming back from being so far behind. He also had no banelings left, Taeja had plenty of marines near his bases.
he has all his mutas, and Taeja didn't land his 4th at this time. He just need to get a good engagement, Taeja was going to back his army anyway his marines were half life. Not like i see it happening against Taeja tonight, he plays way better than Idra currently :'(
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"We have seen 4-3 comebacks."
Yeah, most of them were frikkin' Taeja.
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Taeja is an amazing Terran, pretty sure he plays better in these ESV tournaments than anywhere else.
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On January 17 2012 09:13 Recoil wrote:Show nested quote +On January 17 2012 09:12 Savern101 wrote:
I'm listening to Demuslim commentating on this and he mentioned these were played just after Idra got to korea, so this isn't "SlayerS" Idra we're watching These games were played 3 nights ago. I know because I work for ESV.
Thanks for the confirmation.
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with idra you're bound to have the fastest showmatches ever :D
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why does idra get himself in these positions?
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On January 17 2012 09:11 cyclone25 wrote:IdrA is losing hope (and I'm not talking only about this series). I doubt he will be able to win anything in 2012.
Precisely. How can he expect himself to ever win a championship if he never allows himself to try to make a comeback?
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Wow, 20k viewers. Not all too surprising to see Taeja beast it up. Taeja weekly ftw.
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Wait, double Daybreak? ^o-o^
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On January 17 2012 09:12 Savern101 wrote:
I'm listening to Demuslim commentating on this and he mentioned these were played just after Idra got to korea, so this isn't "SlayerS" Idra we're watching
o? someone said this was from this weekend...
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On January 17 2012 09:17 NuclearJudas wrote:
Wow, 20k viewers. Not all too surprising to see Taeja beast it up. Taeja weekly ftw.
No, today it's actually the Taeja showmatch in anticipation of the Taeja weekly. From this point on Taeja will be expecting proceeds from all future showmatches lol.
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yes as i thought daybreak again lol
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idras problems seem pretty simple to me. he overproduces mutas when he should be morphing banes. also, with ling bane muta as many have already mentioned, upgrades are essential!!!
cut some mutas, in favor of banes and upgrades. -_-
you dont want to engage a maxed terran army when your composition is ling/muta. thats just stupidity!
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ooooooooooooooo BF open into CC, I'd expect a rine/hellion/medi push or straight up mech from here, it's really common on daybreak but I've never seen Taeja mech b4 =D
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On January 17 2012 09:18 Sub40APM wrote:Show nested quote +On January 17 2012 09:12 Savern101 wrote:
I'm listening to Demuslim commentating on this and he mentioned these were played just after Idra got to korea, so this isn't "SlayerS" Idra we're watching o? someone said this was from this weekend...
Evoli (gen. manager of EG) said in the showmatch thread that they were played on Saturday and Sunday, so they are very recent.
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Taeja sooo freaking good.
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I feel if IdrA devoted more gas to bling instead of muta against this comp he'd be in a better spot, that's soooo many mutas that can't really do too much
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Hmm it seems like all that idra does is push the muta button and lose ... weird style !
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Gets the third, this is over :<
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I expected a "gg" after this engagement.. .
edit: nvm, lol.
edit 2: And here we learn a lesson: Never invite Idra to showmatches.
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lol, this guy is a joke, gg without even trying to play it out
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lol
taeja demolished idra.
boom boom boom boom.
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is taeja really that good or is idra...not that good.
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Greg should be slapped in the face for doing this kind of retardation in a showmatch.
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LOL ye that was pretty much gg, actually nice timing, DeMu is fucking hilarious on stream commentating that though ><
Nice showmatch gogo Taeja!
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:/ that was a bit of a lame GG IdrA.
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Wow. Idra got rofl stomped hard :/ good work Taeja
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it seems idra isn't even worthy of code A...
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I feel you can get away with taking an earlier 3rd on that map with a later lair for IdrA and defending with lings and banes but he keeps going with 2 base Spire and just loses with bad engagements. Pretty shit play really all series.
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Can someone tell IdrA to stop trying to do the same build every single game? Yeah, Taeja played really well and all, but you can't expect to do the same damn thing every game no matter what your opponent does, he's just gonna exploit the shit out of it.
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On January 17 2012 09:28 Malkavian183 wrote:
it seems idra isn't even worthy of code A...
That's a bit harsh, I still think taeja is probably a good fit for Code S, just needs to play more consistently in the booth.
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On January 17 2012 09:27 Roggay wrote:
Greg should be slapped in the face for doing this kind of retardation in a showmatch.
There was nearly no way IdrA could have come back after losing his third, taeja was ahead in every regard and was getting another cc and starting 2/2 .... he was dead it was just a matter of time before Taeja attacked and won
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Taeja is really just that good. Did you see those splits? He should've made this Code S this season instead of Boxer...
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That was really disappointing play from Idra. His playstyle just looks like it's from a year ago :\
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Horrible play from idra, at least taeja looked like the beast he is <3
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You don't go through as many Koreans that Taeja has gone through to win Korean Weekly after Korean Weekly and not be able to just demolish Idra. Dude hasn't even won a GSL. Reality Check.
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Oh wow what a super one-sided showmatch LOL
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On January 17 2012 09:29 Badfatpanda wrote:Show nested quote +On January 17 2012 09:27 Roggay wrote:
Greg should be slapped in the face for doing this kind of retardation in a showmatch. There was nearly no way IdrA could have come back after losing his third, taeja was ahead in every regard and was getting another cc and starting 2/2 .... he was dead it was just a matter of time before Taeja attacked and won
Of course he was done for. But it is a showmatch ffs.
ALL four games he gg'ed at even supply... I don't mind one, but four?
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IdrA sadly not on Taeja's level today.
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He played it out in game 3, you saw what happened. So I think the GG timings were okay, it was 2 moves until mate or so.
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idra fanboys probably wont like hearing this, but he played that series like a gold league noob. blindly going ling/muta with far too few banes every single game.
mutas and lings are 2 of the most fragile units zerg has at their disposal. they simply need roach/infestor/bane support.
that was a garbage series imo. -_-
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On January 17 2012 09:27 Badfatpanda wrote:
LOL ye that was pretty much gg, actually nice timing, DeMu is fucking hilarious on stream commentating that though ><
Nice showmatch gogo Taeja!
You would have been right.... if this wasn't a "SHOW"match. Giving up after getting into a disadvantageous position... I suggest watching Nightend vs Darkforce. It isn't over, until it's over.
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missed the games...vod anywhere? ><
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Lol I called it. Classic idra fail!
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Well, I don't know about anyone else but I am super hyped for Taeja vs Hyun now
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so 50% ppl really thought idra could take taeja out? :O
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This went as expected.. :p That one win at MLG against Bomber, who's known for his inconsistency, has been making people really overrate Idra's level.
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Disappointingly one-sided games, but at least the ESV Korean Weekly is back!!
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It seems like a lot of people don't realize how good Taeja actually is. Go to TLPD and sort by ELO peak: 6th. Taeja has the 6th highest SC2 ELO of all time so far. You can count the players higher than him on one hand. Go to the detailed breakdown and check vZ peaks: 4th. Third best TvZ, behind MMA and MVP.
Idra had so little of a chance going into this, and most of you don't seem to get that. Whether Idra played his best or not, he was going to get a beat down.
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On January 17 2012 09:31 Baffels wrote:Well, I don't know about anyone else but I am super hyped for Taeja vs Hyun now
Ah that's a good point. Hyun looked pretty solid when he played forgg on his stream the other day =)
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On January 17 2012 09:31 Killmouse wrote:
so 50% ppl really thought idra could take taeja out? :O
The poll was pretty much a joke, people were voting to keep the poll even. So don't take it too seriously.
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instead of getting better, he's much worse imo. really horrible series and he was never in control at any point in all 4 games.
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I wish I could stay up for the SaSe game but have to sleep TT;;
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This just reinforces the point that IdrA would have been fucked in his GSL group anyway, even though some people claimed, "he could have beaten MVP" - you don't stand a chance against MVP with that level of play.
I hope he gets it together for Code A, at the moment I'm quite worried that he won't even make it through the first round.
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On January 17 2012 09:30 Tanukki wrote:
He played it out in game 3, you saw what happened. So I think the GG timings were okay, it was 2 moves until mate or so.
LOL GG Timings. only for Idra. Gas timings? fuck that GG timings
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On January 17 2012 09:31 bagina wrote:
idra fanboys probably wont like hearing this, but he played that series like a gold league noob. blindly going ling/muta with far too few banes every single game.
mutas and lings are 2 of the most fragile units zerg has at their disposal. they simply need roach/infestor/bane support.
that was a garbage series imo. -_-
he does the same compostition every fucking game.
i saw a ladder game of him vs Bomber where bomber just flooded him with marines and idra was dead even before the medivacs arrived because he was desperately trying to get mutas out. seriously? mutas?...
i think he once read in TL strat forums that ling/bling/muta is good against terran and kept doing it..
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Oh cool, Zenio vs Tear sounds nice.
Seen Tear on a number of streams lately and he seems fairly good, fingers crossed for an interesting ZvP!
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ooh, the return of ESV Bingo!
We need a special Tassadar box Haydin =p (though he seems to have gone back to macrodar lately)
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Yesssss, ESV Bingo!! Hopefully Tassadar is playing again!
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On January 17 2012 09:34 StarVe wrote:This just reinforces the point that IdrA would have been fucked in his GSL group anyway, even though some people claimed, "he could have beaten MVP" - you don't stand a chance against MVP with that level of play. I hope he gets it together for Code A, at the moment I'm quite worried that he won't even make it through the first round.
i think he stands a pretty good chance if they do monobattles and idra chooses lings and MVP chooses vikings, even than, that'd be close..
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On January 17 2012 09:31 AysiktiriX wrote:Show nested quote +On January 17 2012 09:27 Badfatpanda wrote:
LOL ye that was pretty much gg, actually nice timing, DeMu is fucking hilarious on stream commentating that though ><
Nice showmatch gogo Taeja! You would have been right.... if this wasn't a "SHOW"match. Giving up after getting into a disadvantageous position... I suggest watching Nightend vs Darkforce. It isn't over, until it's over.
Pretty much right. Everyone spoke about IdrA when he defeated Bomber at MLG as breaking his habit of leaving games early, he had a few tournaments where he seemed on another level to most players; he would stick in games even if he was behind, even if he made a few bad engagements and looked on par with top Koreans, but he seems to have lost some of that swagger, maybe over confidence in his style that seems a little dated to me. Taeja just exploited the hell out of it. I know it was a showmatch but he should still show his best games.
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On January 17 2012 09:37 lowercase wrote:Yesssss, ESV Bingo!! Hopefully Tassadar is playing again!
Hopefully not, I remember when it was him v someone followed by Squirtle v someone else. They filled out the whole frikkin' card in 6 games.
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On January 17 2012 09:37 lowercase wrote:Yesssss, ESV Bingo!! Hopefully Tassadar is playing again!
He's up vs Desrow today!
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Hahaha, twitch.tv chat is on a thirty-two minute slow mode! The trolling must have been out of control. I don't know what happened, I turned chat off for the duration of the idra-taeja games.
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Who has played so far in Korean weekly? Did I miss Tassadar defeating Desrow ?
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On January 17 2012 09:42 McFeser wrote:Who has played so far in Korean weekly? Did I miss Tassadar defeating Desrow ?
This is the first actual KR weekly match, we just wrapped up Taeja dispatching Idra nice and quickly.
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omg that blue color is just horrible
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Zenio is pretty bad in ZvP, Tear has a good shot (especially on this map).
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On January 17 2012 09:42 McFeser wrote:Who has played so far in Korean weekly? Did I miss Tassadar defeating Desrow ?
That'll come soon enough. :D
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On January 17 2012 09:43 -Strider- wrote:
omg that blue color is just horrible
It's a stronger color team mod, which is to help the colorblind see things better (orb is colorblind). Also, banelings are awesome with this.
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I feel that Orb's analysis of ZvP opening is really off. 14 pool is much more common than hatch first, nexus first should be safe versus 14 pool, and fast stalker harass is unusual after FFE openings.
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Huuu~~
That was a great read from Tear and really nice defence too.
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Wow, Zenio didn't need to GG there, he could've held against the voids and droned up... hrmmmm...
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On January 17 2012 09:47 lowercase wrote:
Wow, Zenio didn't need to GG there, he could've held against the voids and droned up... hrmmmm...
No queens, no spores, no economy. It was a well timed GG.
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Oh hey clash. That's one of VirgilSC2's guys, right?
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Yeah...went about as well as expected.
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I'm pretty interested to see what MorroW's Terran looks like since he's been in korea :O
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On January 17 2012 09:45 zylog wrote:
I feel that Orb's analysis of ZvP opening is really off. 14 pool is much more common than hatch first, nexus first should be safe versus 14 pool, and fast stalker harass is unusual after FFE openings.
You can do a double gate into a fast 2 stalker after a forge FE vs gasless zerg and force quite a few spines/lings. It delays your tech obviously, but its fairly viable, however you are right, it is quite uncommon these days.
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On January 17 2012 09:28 Malkavian183 wrote:
it seems idra isn't even worthy of code A...
No foreigner is.
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please get rid of wacksteven. cant believe you allow dollar store microphones with shit quality to be used. joke tournament...
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lol every 10 seconds, colors are off, did idra play?
@Carlin he's using a Siberia, might be internet connection..?
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Why is everyone being so unneccessarily harsh? This is a great tournamanent.
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On January 17 2012 09:48 Haydin wrote:
Oh hey clash. That's one of VirgilSC2's guys, right?
Yeah. I think he's the guy who called himself savior in the code A qualifiers and had dozens of people asking if he was the real one (he's not).
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On January 17 2012 09:57 McFeser wrote:
Why is everyone being so unneccessarily harsh? This is a great tournamanent.
It's the internet?
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On January 17 2012 09:57 McFeser wrote:
Why is everyone being so unneccessarily harsh? This is a great tournamanent.
The only bad thing is that the chat has a 30-minute delay between messages.
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On January 17 2012 09:57 McFeser wrote:
Why is everyone being so unneccessarily harsh? This is a great tournamanent.
The internet + the HSC after-effect (everything is lesser compared to that tournament).
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Beautifully executed bust!
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Well Played Messiah. Grats Virgil haha
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Morrow with the anti-idra gg timing!
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Morrow pulling a Goody-style macro, supplyblocks everywhere.
(not like it still matters)
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I don't understand, why didn't morrow just practice his zvz instead of playing terran? Doesn't that make laddering tougher?
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On January 17 2012 10:07 IMoperator wrote:
I don't understand, why didn't morrow just practice his zvz instead of playing terran? Doesn't that make laddering tougher?
He doesnt like ZvZ (and I understand him).
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Morrow's terran is actually really good, if you watched him against QIM in IPLTAC he was amazing.
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Ugh Morrow why are you still in this game. =(
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MorroW never really able to recover after the bust, Messiah just constantly wearing him down for the rest of the game.
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Meh , Morrow playing to greedy and getting punished. If he had a bunker at front, he wouldn't have needed to pull back his helions and could've scouted the allin.
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Tassadar? IT'S BINGO TIME GENTLEMAN
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Great line-up, though I have to say I am not a fan of Wacksteven's casting, he really is not adding anything to the cast imo, and his mic quality is terrible.
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What all-in will Tassadar do this game? Interested to see if Desrow has a chance here.
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Desrow about to eat Tassadar!
Tassadar about to explode out of Desrow's stomach!
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Gonna be hilarious if desrow makes it further in this tournament than Morrow or Zenio.
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I hear Desrow isn't very appreciated over at the dota forums. >_>
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Cannon rush, there's one for the bingo cards.
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CANNON RUSH! The first bingo space of 2012!
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hahahaha fuck yeah desrow
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This invisible wall between foreigners and koreans just feels impenetrable.
A lot of the time it's like, "Yeah we can jump that", but then they lube it up with whale grease or something and we slip and fall on our ass. It's the same game, but the ratio at which foreigners are losing to Koreans is not balanced...
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Hahahahahaha YES! Go Tassadar! xD
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lmao ...well that was a quick game
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lol desrow.
Can't cheese Tassadar, he knows all cheeses.
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Tassadar being...clutch?
I guess you can't cheese the master of cheese.
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hahah best game i've seen in a while, loved the smile after the gg from desrow
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Its enough that you invite him, but please don't cast desrow again.
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Wow didn't think you could fail harder than Idra, good job DesRow!
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You don't cheese the cheeser...
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lol i actaully thought it was going to work haha
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Foreigners makes me so proud so far.
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lol orb completely miscalled that. Tassadar held off the cannon rush beautifully.
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And Sase's PvZ is known to be terrible, hopefully he's improved or there will be another stomp
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Just thought I would say ClashMessiah <3
I hope you guys don't hate him too much for beating MorroW
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Every zerg is a ZvP specialist these days haha
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Why does it show the player's overall records? Sase has the benefit of playing a lot of games against bad foreigners whereas Shine will have played pretty much all his game vs. Koreans.
Not that is matters, just kinda annoying.
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I remember Shine 2-0 MC few months ago. Will be interesting to see how he performs.
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On January 17 2012 10:25 jakoh wrote:
I remember Shine 2-0 MC few months ago. Will be interesting to see how he performs.
That was back when MC momentarily sucked.
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Wow, Sase really improved his PvZ.
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And the mass muta. x.x
Think Nani's philosophy of PvZ is spot on.
bleh. Match left a bad taste. Sase most impressive Foreigner today though.
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Sase is falling apart. Too bad he played pretty well until the mutas came
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No-name Koreans hwaiting!
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On January 17 2012 10:37 Sabu113 wrote:
And the mass muta. x.x
Think Nani's philosophy of PvZ is spot on.
bleh. Match left a bad taste.
what's his philosophy?
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3 foreigners up. 3 foreigners down. >_<
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Mass muta is pretty much unstoppable if it comes as a surprise, you need blink, storm, archons and cannons to deal with that. And you can't tech swing in time. PvZ TT
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Foreigners representing in this tournament. To be expected though, there are no foreign players who can compete with mid-tier Koreans now, even the Code B Koreans too much to handle....
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With that Muta tech switch toss can literally do nothing but delay his inevitable defeat.
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Koreans clowning the foreigners. I was starting to think the gap was getting pretty close with stephano, huk, thorzain and idra performing well in the second half of last year, but now it seems like foreigners are getting dominated harder than ever.
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On January 17 2012 10:41 IMoperator wrote:
Koreans clowning the foreigners. I was starting to think the gap was getting pretty close with stephano, huk, thorzain and idra performing well in the second half of last year, but now it seems like foreigners are getting dominated harder than ever.
It's more like we're starting to see just how good the B-team tier of Korean players can be. When a bench-warmer on IM can defeat a GSL champion you know the internal skill gap is quite small.
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Meh, the year is still long, but now I don't know whether foreigners going to Korea is a good idea. Aside from HuK, seems like most foreigners do better when they train outside of Korea than in it. The practice environment is not paying off.
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On January 17 2012 10:39 Tachion wrote:Show nested quote +On January 17 2012 10:37 Sabu113 wrote:
And the mass muta. x.x
Think Nani's philosophy of PvZ is spot on.
bleh. Match left a bad taste. what's his philosophy?
Forge FE 2base timing. It seems to be the most effective style.
Wonder if the days of double robo are over. The muta decision looked very robust so I would think in a decision tree *fast* double robo must be dead as a Toss should always be getting blink relatively quickly to account for a muta switch.
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On January 17 2012 10:46 Sabu113 wrote:Show nested quote +On January 17 2012 10:39 Tachion wrote:On January 17 2012 10:37 Sabu113 wrote:
And the mass muta. x.x
Think Nani's philosophy of PvZ is spot on.
bleh. Match left a bad taste. what's his philosophy? Forge FE 2base timing. It seems to be the most effective style. Wonder if the days of double robo are over. The muta decision looked very robust so I would think in a decision tree *fast* double robo must be dead as a Toss should always be getting blink relatively quickly to account for a muta switch.
works ok for MC too ;o
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On January 17 2012 10:46 Sabu113 wrote:Show nested quote +On January 17 2012 10:39 Tachion wrote:On January 17 2012 10:37 Sabu113 wrote:
And the mass muta. x.x
Think Nani's philosophy of PvZ is spot on.
bleh. Match left a bad taste. what's his philosophy? Forge FE 2base timing. It seems to be the most effective style. Wonder if the days of double robo are over. The muta decision looked very robust so I would think in a decision tree *fast* double robo must be dead as a Toss should always be getting blink relatively quickly to account for a muta switch.
So basically he's playing PvZ from January 2011? No wonder it's his weakest matchup. >_>
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Immortal VS hyrda.....
EDIT: WTF just happened
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On January 17 2012 10:52 CosmicSpiral wrote:Show nested quote +On January 17 2012 10:46 Sabu113 wrote:On January 17 2012 10:39 Tachion wrote:On January 17 2012 10:37 Sabu113 wrote:
And the mass muta. x.x
Think Nani's philosophy of PvZ is spot on.
bleh. Match left a bad taste. what's his philosophy? Forge FE 2base timing. It seems to be the most effective style. Wonder if the days of double robo are over. The muta decision looked very robust so I would think in a decision tree *fast* double robo must be dead as a Toss should always be getting blink relatively quickly to account for a muta switch. So basically he's playing PvZ from January 2011? No wonder it's his weakest matchup. >_>
It killed Nestea, while Crazymoving's mutas murdered PvZ champion hero on taldarim. Still feel that 2base play to kill or neuter that third is the best option.
I will say PvZ's evolutions have been pretty interesting. Double stargate looking very popular today though.
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On January 17 2012 10:56 Sabu113 wrote:Show nested quote +On January 17 2012 10:52 CosmicSpiral wrote:On January 17 2012 10:46 Sabu113 wrote:On January 17 2012 10:39 Tachion wrote:On January 17 2012 10:37 Sabu113 wrote:
And the mass muta. x.x
Think Nani's philosophy of PvZ is spot on.
bleh. Match left a bad taste. what's his philosophy? Forge FE 2base timing. It seems to be the most effective style. Wonder if the days of double robo are over. The muta decision looked very robust so I would think in a decision tree *fast* double robo must be dead as a Toss should always be getting blink relatively quickly to account for a muta switch. So basically he's playing PvZ from January 2011? No wonder it's his weakest matchup. >_> It killed a slumping Nestea and got crushed by every competent Zerg since that time, while Crazymoving's mutas murdered PvZ champion hero (who happens to look kinda mediocre in Korea when he's not crushing scrubby foreigners) on taldarim. I will say PvZ's evolutions have been pretty interesting. Double stargate looking very popular today though.
FTFY
2 base timings to kill the third are not necessary. Korean Protosses have already shown us that.
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Great phoenix micro from Tassadar.
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To everyone asking why Korea is so dominant: imagine a culture where playing video games doesn't have the social stigma like it does in our societies. Kids can take starcraft in school like a regular sport! No wonder they're animals in competition. They're also the most highly-connected and technologically-obsessed culture on earth. I've been to Japan as well, and I'm pretty sure the Koreans are crazier about technology than they are.
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This tournament and the KSL deserve so much more recognition!
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On January 17 2012 11:03 lowercase wrote:
To everyone asking why Korea is so dominant: imagine a culture where playing video games doesn't have the social stigma like it does in our societies. Kids can take starcraft in school like a regular sport! No wonder they're animals in competition. They're also the most highly-connected and technologically-obsessed culture on earth. I've been to Japan as well, and I'm pretty sure the Koreans are crazier about technology than they are.
people look down upon videogames in korea and most of east asia. don't be delusional.
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On January 17 2012 11:21 GreyKnight wrote:Show nested quote +On January 17 2012 11:03 lowercase wrote:
To everyone asking why Korea is so dominant: imagine a culture where playing video games doesn't have the social stigma like it does in our societies. Kids can take starcraft in school like a regular sport! No wonder they're animals in competition. They're also the most highly-connected and technologically-obsessed culture on earth. I've been to Japan as well, and I'm pretty sure the Koreans are crazier about technology than they are. people look down upon videogames in korea and most of east asia. don't be delusional.
Yeah. Almost all the korean exchange students I've talked to like soccer and think starcraft is boring / for nerds.
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On January 17 2012 11:19 Sroobz wrote:
This tournament and the KSL deserve so much more recognition!
Glad you feel that way! I'm working hard to make it so, as are many of the tournament organizers
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Wow, nice viewer count today! Grats to ESV, they deserve it!
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Someone inform Cezzane that Zerg can get a Hive...
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Cezanne still with the terribad control. sC looked a little shaky but thank GOD he's okay. The collapsed lung didn't eat into his performance as much as I feared.
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Some Zergs seem to hate infestors.... or hive :s
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On January 17 2012 11:27 Diamond wrote:
That's hardly fair Diamond, you're marginalizing the Day[9] is dead trolls, iNcontroL haters, and caster bashers!
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On January 17 2012 11:27 Diamond wrote:
Is it still 30-minute breaks between messages? No reason not to bitch if you can't have actual conversations.
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Orb has the best analysis out of all of the casters I have heard. While these weeklies might not have the biggest names going head to head, I love watching these when I should be doing work. The games are played by high caliber Koreans, even if many of them are unknown, and I feel like Orb is using his mic to do more than spew hype.
<3 Orb keep up the good work :D
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On January 17 2012 11:23 Lokgar wrote:Show nested quote +On January 17 2012 11:21 GreyKnight wrote:On January 17 2012 11:03 lowercase wrote:
To everyone asking why Korea is so dominant: imagine a culture where playing video games doesn't have the social stigma like it does in our societies. Kids can take starcraft in school like a regular sport! No wonder they're animals in competition. They're also the most highly-connected and technologically-obsessed culture on earth. I've been to Japan as well, and I'm pretty sure the Koreans are crazier about technology than they are. people look down upon videogames in korea and most of east asia. don't be delusional. Yeah. Almost all the korean exchange students I've talked to like soccer and think starcraft is boring / for nerds.
I lived in Korea as a teacher for a year, so I got to see lots and lots of middle school boys. They play regular sports as much as westerners, and probably video games a bit more, but it's certainly much more socially acceptable. Big groups of kids leave school and head to the PC bang to play the newest games, and they're very competitive and excited about that stuff. In Canada tons of people play video games too, but I don't think they're nearly as open about it as they are in Korea. Consequently, we produce very few top-tier gamers... though we do seem to produce far more, per capita, than the states.
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On January 17 2012 11:29 CosmicSpiral wrote:Is it still 30-minute breaks between messages? No reason not to bitch if you can't have actual conversations.
The 30 minute limit was obviously an emergency measure due to the massive, massive, massive amount of terrible trolling and hate in the chat during the idra games. Normally ESV.tv chat is somewhat reasonable.
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Hmm, I didn't know Avenge joined ZeNEX.
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On January 17 2012 11:34 lowercase wrote:Show nested quote +On January 17 2012 11:29 CosmicSpiral wrote:On January 17 2012 11:27 Diamond wrote: Is it still 30-minute breaks between messages? No reason not to bitch if you can't have actual conversations. The 30 minute limit was obviously an emergency measure due to the massive, massive, massive amount of terrible trolling and hate in the chat during the idra games. Normally ESV.tv chat is somewhat reasonable.
Somewhat, but when chat is restricted so severely it encourages trolling just as much as when it is relatively unlimited.
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On January 17 2012 11:29 CosmicSpiral wrote:Is it still 30-minute breaks between messages? No reason not to bitch if you can't have actual conversations.
You see, the problem was someone linked /v/ to the game, combine that with the fact that it's IdrA and stream chat wasn't going to survive no matter what.
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Why does Wacksteven not know how to pronounce Jjakji's name? Really annoying >_<
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On January 17 2012 11:33 lowercase wrote:Show nested quote +On January 17 2012 11:23 Lokgar wrote:On January 17 2012 11:21 GreyKnight wrote:On January 17 2012 11:03 lowercase wrote:
To everyone asking why Korea is so dominant: imagine a culture where playing video games doesn't have the social stigma like it does in our societies. Kids can take starcraft in school like a regular sport! No wonder they're animals in competition. They're also the most highly-connected and technologically-obsessed culture on earth. I've been to Japan as well, and I'm pretty sure the Koreans are crazier about technology than they are. people look down upon videogames in korea and most of east asia. don't be delusional. Yeah. Almost all the korean exchange students I've talked to like soccer and think starcraft is boring / for nerds. I lived in Korea as a teacher for a year, so I got to see lots and lots of middle school boys. They play regular sports as much as westerners, and probably video games a bit more, but it's certainly much more socially acceptable. Big groups of kids leave school and head to the PC bang to play the newest games, and they're very competitive and excited about that stuff. In Canada tons of people play video games too, but I don't think they're nearly as open about it as they are in Korea. Consequently, we produce very few top-tier gamers... though we do seem to produce far more, per capita, than the states.
I think it's generational as well in Korea. I'm from Canada and I think gaming is quickly gaining wide acceptance here. But that is completely anecdotal.
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On January 17 2012 11:40 Hall0wed wrote:
Why does Wacksteven not know how to pronounce Jjakji's name? Really annoying >_<
Is there a specific way to pronounce it?
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On January 17 2012 11:44 Sroobz wrote:Show nested quote +On January 17 2012 11:40 Hall0wed wrote:
Why does Wacksteven not know how to pronounce Jjakji's name? Really annoying >_< Is there a specific way to pronounce it?
Orb was pronouncing it right iirc
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On January 17 2012 11:27 Diamond wrote:
ahaha
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On January 17 2012 11:46 Hall0wed wrote:Show nested quote +On January 17 2012 11:44 Sroobz wrote:On January 17 2012 11:40 Hall0wed wrote:
Why does Wacksteven not know how to pronounce Jjakji's name? Really annoying >_< Is there a specific way to pronounce it? Orb was pronouncing it right iirc
Oh, what kind of word is that? It isn't Korean or English lol
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In Korean when letters are doubled it changes the sound. So the "s" sound is a bit more like "sh" in english, but when it's "ss" it's pronounced as a hard hiss, like in Ssangyong.
Jjakjji is just transcribed directly in english with emphasis on the J sounds. "Jackji."
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On January 17 2012 11:49 lowercase wrote:
In Korean when letters are doubled it changes the sound. So the "s" sound is a bit more like "sh" in english, but when it's "ss" it's pronounced as a hard hiss, like in Ssangyong.
Jjakjji is just transcribed directly in english with emphasis on the J sounds. "Jackji."
Droppin knowledge on my head, thanks
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On January 17 2012 11:50 Sroobz wrote:Show nested quote +On January 17 2012 11:49 lowercase wrote:
In Korean when letters are doubled it changes the sound. So the "s" sound is a bit more like "sh" in english, but when it's "ss" it's pronounced as a hard hiss, like in Ssangyong.
Jjakjji is just transcribed directly in english with emphasis on the J sounds. "Jackji." Droppin knowledge on my head, thanks
The double j sound is actually quite different from the English j sound. You have to stick your tongue toward the roof of your mouth.
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A fairly good terran vs a fairly mediocre zerg.
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On January 17 2012 11:27 Diamond wrote:
LOL Pat, sad thing is this is totally true. Modding the chat is a pain when I have to timeout every single person talking. :p
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Nooooooo Jinro
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NOOO JINRO
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Jinro holds! He got this!
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Man I think I missed this tournament as much as the GSL.
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Uhm, I thought Jinro would take this game easily after the hold, but the game's strangely tight...
Edit : Nvm, Jinro got this
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The noose tightens, Jinro rolls towards victory.
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Didn't Jinro win this game like 20 minutes ago? Why are they still playing?
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Jinro isn't so much trying to win this game as much as just waiting for the Zerg to lose.
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It's werid. Because Jinro will lose his whole army but still have like 150 supply. It's like he's only attacking with half his army so JookTo has a chance to win the engagements. >_<
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If thorzain is the spoon terran, what is Jinro? O_O
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Great play by Jinro in game 2!
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On January 17 2012 12:33 KMARTRULES2 wrote:
If thorzain is the spoon terran, what is Jinro? O_O
He is the Gorilla with a Belt Sander terran.
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He saw the cloak and banshee when his lings went up the ramp..
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It'd be cool if he used the banshee/raven to pick off tumors.
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Noooooo Jinro
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A couple of tanks would have made a huge difference
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Nice try Jinro, but the damage from the baneling bust was just too severe. you always run that risk if you turtle behind depots and have like NO units while you tech...
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In preparation of tassadar playing, here is the current protoss and terran bingo cards:
![[image loading]](http://i.imgur.com/J9SeD.jpg)
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sC playing like he doesn't care. Probably more worried about his group tonight.
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On January 17 2012 13:24 CosmicSpiral wrote:
sC playing like he doesn't care. Probably more worried about his group tonight.
Probably, but I believe he's still recovering from having his other lung collapse. His stamina's got to severely reduced like that.
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On January 17 2012 13:43 Haydin wrote:Show nested quote +On January 17 2012 13:24 CosmicSpiral wrote:
sC playing like he doesn't care. Probably more worried about his group tonight. Probably, but I believe he's still recovering from having his other lung collapse. His stamina's got to severely reduced like that.
His game against Cezanne showcased excellent control.
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On January 17 2012 13:44 CosmicSpiral wrote:Show nested quote +On January 17 2012 13:43 Haydin wrote:On January 17 2012 13:24 CosmicSpiral wrote:
sC playing like he doesn't care. Probably more worried about his group tonight. Probably, but I believe he's still recovering from having his other lung collapse. His stamina's got to severely reduced like that. His game against Cezanne showcased excellent control.
It did. It's a shame he's got a serious medical condition holding him back sC really has the potential to become SUCH a beast.
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glad wacksteven is gone he was wack
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Anyone know when huk plays?
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On January 17 2012 14:03 Nick.TNA wrote:
Anyone know when huk plays?
Tomorrow.
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On January 17 2012 14:07 Diamond wrote:Tomorrow.
What time though? I wanna make sure i'm home for it lol.
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On January 17 2012 14:15 Nick.TNA wrote:Show nested quote +On January 17 2012 14:07 Diamond wrote:On January 17 2012 14:03 Nick.TNA wrote:
Anyone know when huk plays? Tomorrow. What time though? I wanna make sure i'm home for it lol.
Cast starts at 6PM EST.
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Jjakji is playing solid. :O
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Go to ESV chat and learn about general relativity.
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I'm really like this play by Ace now... I'm just surprised Jjakji didn't make a push by now.
Edit: :O Just too many full energy medivacs. That small army will not die.
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wtf how did jijakji stomp so hard!?
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TvP doesn't seem that unwinnable to me :D
Ace didn't play particularly bad, and jjakji didn't play fancy at all, barely any drops, just good macro and upgrades and the usual carpet EMPs.
Edit: Ace did make some mistakes :D
Edit: I think you cannot kill too many SCVs, Terran is too glad to get rid of that useless shit and make a bigger army with mules.
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Ace has always been one of my favorite players... I thought he played perfect that game, but it is just SO hard to take out a big MMG deathball like that. A few more storms would've done it =/
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Really, really bad move to go down that ramp by ace. Sick game otherwise though. Like damn sick.
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Earlier, orb was talking about how this map emphasizes positioning. That engagement is a good example imo. Ace botched that bigtime.
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On January 17 2012 14:51 ClysmiC wrote:
Ace has always been one of my favorite players... I thought he played perfect that game, but it is just SO hard to take out a big MMG deathball like that. A few more storms would've done it =/
Ace has also been one of my favorite players as well, but I don't think jumping to balance is the reason. Orb already covered the importance of sentries, but what first came to my mind after all those medivacs remained was the fact that he didn't use feedback nearly enough, especially since HTs that are warped in are already ready to feedback.
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Orb is a fantastic caster. Thumbs up. You funny.
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Will not be watching anything Orb is involved with.
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proxy stargate! Just a +1/+1 7 gate away from bingo!
![[image loading]](http://i.imgur.com/i6Twl.jpg)
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On January 17 2012 14:58 Chicane wrote:Show nested quote +On January 17 2012 14:51 ClysmiC wrote:
Ace has always been one of my favorite players... I thought he played perfect that game, but it is just SO hard to take out a big MMG deathball like that. A few more storms would've done it =/ Ace has also been one of my favorite players as well, but I don't think jumping to balance is the reason. Orb already covered the importance of sentries, but what first came to my mind after all those medivacs remained was the fact that he didn't use feedback nearly enough, especially since HTs that are warped in are already ready to feedback.
Would barely need the medivacs in the first place if not for the storms. Protoss army was simply overmatched.
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I did not know orb but I enjoy his commentaries. Besides he has the same face as the one who introduced me to watch BW.
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Updated Toss Bingo card. SO CLOSE!
![[image loading]](http://i.imgur.com/USMkp.jpg)
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You should make a program that randomly generates a bingo card at a button press so that way we can make our own unique bingo cards!
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On January 17 2012 16:37 Lunares wrote:You should make a program that randomly generates a bingo card at a button press so that way we can make our own unique bingo cards!
Well I'm not a programming guy, but I'll see if I can figure out something that will accomplish pretty much the same thing. At the very least, the new version of the bingo cards should have a few variants to choose from.
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Great cast orb, lots of games, the only thing I didn't like about your casting tonight was that you yell too much at times, but overall you're a very good caster. I can't say the same for the other guy (WackSteven I think?), he didn't add any insight to the broadcast and his play by play was awkward, it also really doesn't help that he is using a mic that you could buy for $10.
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Just an hour until our next broadcast! Some excellent games coming up today!
Day 2 Broadcast Schedule:Round 1 ClassicPrime.WE vs. oGs.NaDa EG.Puma vs. Clash.Mook oGs.Top vs. FXO.TheBest TSL.Revival vs. NsHS.Sage Round 2 FXO.Gumiho vs. EG.HuK oGs.Illusion vs. FXO.Leenock Round 3 oGs.ForGG vs.  (Winner of HuK/Gumiho) 2-3 more matches! Round 43-4 matches!
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Starting in just 5 minutes!
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pretty brilliant filler there. VERY ESPN like with the x's and o's. can't wait I will be watching the whole event.
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Looked like Nada got strike cannons off on the destructible rocks with most of his Thors in time before they got feedbacked?
Pretty sure Nada was doing what Jjakji did and researching strike cannon just to blow Thor energy with it so they don't get feedbacked too badly at least.
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ClashMoOk squares off against EGPuMa next!!!!
GOGO MOOK
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On January 18 2012 08:31 Asha` wrote:
Looked like Nada got strike cannons off on the destructible rocks with most of his Thors in time before they got feedbacked?
Pretty sure Nada was doing what Jjakji did and researching strike cannon just to blow Thor energy with it so they don't get feedbacked too badly at least.
Didn't see the Jjaki game but thats pretty smart. Definitely saw the rocks die in about half a second.
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I just wanted to say: Orb - pls have my babies!
You are my favorite solo caster, and even alone you can give Tastosis run for their money.
It just so nice to listen to someone smart
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I can't shake the thought that Artosis showed up with $500 for NaDa after that match was played, saying "thanks for proving my point, bro!"
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Flawless game from NaDa, refuting Classic's whimsical play (third before adding Gates or Robo when you don't even know if the Terran player took his gases, really?).
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Aww, fuck, I missed NaDa?
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I have seen charge sniped so often by PuMa in progames, he really has amazing TvP timings.
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Already 8 minutes and the P still hasn't fixed his saturation, his main has too many worker since he pulled too many to his main after the drop
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It continues to blow my mind how much TheBest wins vs sick players in this tournament. Seems to be such a beast in online tournies!
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On January 18 2012 09:07 Diamond wrote:
It continues to blow my mind how much TheBest wins vs sick players in this tournament. Seems to be such a beast in online tournies!
He did reasonably in WCG korea too tbh, wins over Nada, Sculp, and SuperNova. Think he pulled out a couple of wins for FXO in the GSTL too. I reckon he'll be back in the GSL in the first half of the year.
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Can I get the results for the games played so far today?
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On January 18 2012 09:13 Moriarty wrote:
Can I get the results for the games played so far today?
ClassicPrime.WE < oGs.NaDa
EG.Puma > Clash.Mook
oGs.Top < FXO.TheBest
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Just wanted to say how awesome it is to come back from work to see this tourney up and running
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Can anyone show me how to view the bracket? Not the one on the front page that's just an image, the actual bracket. xD
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On January 18 2012 09:18 ThaZenith wrote:
Can anyone show me how to view the bracket? Not the one on the front page that's just an image, the actual bracket. xD
http://challonge.com/koreanweeklys2w1
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Thanks, I'm not sure how they were expecting people to find that.
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Come on Huk! Win this one so you can get owned by ForGG ![[image loading]](http://www.teamliquid.net/mirror/smilies/devil.gif)
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Is this a joke? Isn't the Huk match before? TT;; did I just stay up til 2 am for no reason
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On January 18 2012 09:30 Choboo wrote:
Is this a joke? Isn't the Huk match before? TT;; did I just stay up til 2 am for no reason
Huk is still coming up don't worry!
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On January 18 2012 09:32 Diamond wrote:Show nested quote +On January 18 2012 09:30 Choboo wrote:
Is this a joke? Isn't the Huk match before? TT;; did I just stay up til 2 am for no reason Huk is still coming up don't worry!
Okay nice :D
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Yeah, well, going double Reactor Hellion after 1 rax FE is not the smartest thing to do.
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On January 18 2012 09:46 TheDwf wrote:
Yeah, well, going double Reactor Hellion after 1 rax FE is not the smartest thing to do.
When 2reactor fac was popular a lot of people did that. It's a risk, you autodie to builds such as the one leenock did, but on the other hand if he doesn't have roaches or enough spines/queens you'll get an huge advantage, and not be allin as in the other build.
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Woot! I feel like HuK won the lottery there though, too close for comfort.
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This is getting good. Huk vs Forgg and now we get to see what Cyrano can do
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Huk and Forgg played or will be playing?
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On January 18 2012 10:01 trinxified wrote:
Huk and Forgg played or will be playing?
will be
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On January 18 2012 10:01 trinxified wrote:
Huk and Forgg played or will be playing?
They will be broadcast ! Soon! Go tell everyone kekeke!
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On January 18 2012 10:01 trinxified wrote:
Huk and Forgg played or will be playing?
Depends, they played, but the replay will be playing tonight, casted by Orb
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I don't understand why a creep tumor would hinder terran very much, I guess they cant lift the CC instantly but that's never been that good? They can still CC first and lift to the island and take it safely.
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Such a cool build by Nada..
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argh cover up the replay bar
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On January 18 2012 10:09 Seronei wrote:
I don't understand why a creep tumor would hinder terran very much, I guess they cant lift the CC instantly but that's never been that good? They can still CC first and lift to the island and take it safely.
True it actually doesn't make a whole lot of sense. 5 SCVs in a CC fly over and can kill 2 tumors easy, with good micro maybe even 3. So 1 really isn't a problem at all...
Just makes islands even worse for Protoss than they already are lol
(at least if the island isn't in blink range it's actually rly shitty for Protoss)
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On January 18 2012 10:15 Ragoo wrote:Show nested quote +On January 18 2012 10:09 Seronei wrote:
I don't understand why a creep tumor would hinder terran very much, I guess they cant lift the CC instantly but that's never been that good? They can still CC first and lift to the island and take it safely. True it actually doesn't make a whole lot of sense. 5 SCVs in a CC fly over and can kill 2 tumors easy, with good micro maybe even 3. So 1 really isn't a problem at all... Just makes islands even worse for Protoss than they already are lol (at least if the island isn't in blink range it's actually rly shitty for Protoss)
i hate to see someone lose to that sort of shit but until it happens i dont think the map will change.
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Edit: Nvm just read about it in scwiki
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nooooooooooooooooo nada ,,,.,, my heart cant take it ~.~ win naow!
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Wow that was such a horrible engagement. First he traps his own marines in so they die to storm, then he doesn't use strike cannon. :-\
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On January 18 2012 10:15 Ragoo wrote:Show nested quote +On January 18 2012 10:09 Seronei wrote:
I don't understand why a creep tumor would hinder terran very much, I guess they cant lift the CC instantly but that's never been that good? They can still CC first and lift to the island and take it safely. True it actually doesn't make a whole lot of sense. 5 SCVs in a CC fly over and can kill 2 tumors easy, with good micro maybe even 3. So 1 really isn't a problem at all... Just makes islands even worse for Protoss than they already are lol (at least if the island isn't in blink range it's actually rly shitty for Protoss)
Agree 100%. I still stand by my theory that islands, as long as they arent Scrap Station close are actually P/Z favored and should be used more !
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On January 18 2012 10:17 dmnum wrote:Show nested quote +On January 18 2012 10:15 Ragoo wrote:On January 18 2012 10:09 Seronei wrote:
I don't understand why a creep tumor would hinder terran very much, I guess they cant lift the CC instantly but that's never been that good? They can still CC first and lift to the island and take it safely. True it actually doesn't make a whole lot of sense. 5 SCVs in a CC fly over and can kill 2 tumors easy, with good micro maybe even 3. So 1 really isn't a problem at all... Just makes islands even worse for Protoss than they already are lol (at least if the island isn't in blink range it's actually rly shitty for Protoss) CCs can drop while flying?
No. Don't know what he's on about.
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On January 18 2012 10:17 GreyKnight wrote:Show nested quote +On January 18 2012 10:15 Ragoo wrote:On January 18 2012 10:09 Seronei wrote:
I don't understand why a creep tumor would hinder terran very much, I guess they cant lift the CC instantly but that's never been that good? They can still CC first and lift to the island and take it safely. True it actually doesn't make a whole lot of sense. 5 SCVs in a CC fly over and can kill 2 tumors easy, with good micro maybe even 3. So 1 really isn't a problem at all... Just makes islands even worse for Protoss than they already are lol (at least if the island isn't in blink range it's actually rly shitty for Protoss) i hate to see someone lose to that sort of shit but until it happens i dont think the map will change.
On this map it doesn't matter a whole lot since you have 5 (!!!) bases that are basically free.
Those Thors... y u no canon
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The marines and scvs being trapped and stormed broke my heart. That cost Nada even more than not strike cannoning.
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On January 18 2012 10:18 Jono7272 wrote:Show nested quote +On January 18 2012 10:17 dmnum wrote:On January 18 2012 10:15 Ragoo wrote:On January 18 2012 10:09 Seronei wrote:
I don't understand why a creep tumor would hinder terran very much, I guess they cant lift the CC instantly but that's never been that good? They can still CC first and lift to the island and take it safely. True it actually doesn't make a whole lot of sense. 5 SCVs in a CC fly over and can kill 2 tumors easy, with good micro maybe even 3. So 1 really isn't a problem at all... Just makes islands even worse for Protoss than they already are lol (at least if the island isn't in blink range it's actually rly shitty for Protoss) CCs can drop while flying? No. Don't know what he's on about.
Actually turns out they can. Just tested it in game to confirm.
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On January 18 2012 10:19 VikingKong wrote:
The marines and scvs being trapped and stormed broke my heart. That cost Nada even more than not strike cannoning.
Hard to strike cannon when most of your thors get feedbacked.
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On January 18 2012 10:21 dmnum wrote:Show nested quote +On January 18 2012 10:18 Jono7272 wrote:On January 18 2012 10:17 dmnum wrote:On January 18 2012 10:15 Ragoo wrote:On January 18 2012 10:09 Seronei wrote:
I don't understand why a creep tumor would hinder terran very much, I guess they cant lift the CC instantly but that's never been that good? They can still CC first and lift to the island and take it safely. True it actually doesn't make a whole lot of sense. 5 SCVs in a CC fly over and can kill 2 tumors easy, with good micro maybe even 3. So 1 really isn't a problem at all... Just makes islands even worse for Protoss than they already are lol (at least if the island isn't in blink range it's actually rly shitty for Protoss) CCs can drop while flying? No. Don't know what he's on about. Actually turns out they can. Just tested it in game to confirm.
Yep this is correct. Which is why the creep tumor is useless.
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On January 18 2012 10:21 dmnum wrote:Show nested quote +On January 18 2012 10:18 Jono7272 wrote:On January 18 2012 10:17 dmnum wrote:On January 18 2012 10:15 Ragoo wrote:On January 18 2012 10:09 Seronei wrote:
I don't understand why a creep tumor would hinder terran very much, I guess they cant lift the CC instantly but that's never been that good? They can still CC first and lift to the island and take it safely. True it actually doesn't make a whole lot of sense. 5 SCVs in a CC fly over and can kill 2 tumors easy, with good micro maybe even 3. So 1 really isn't a problem at all... Just makes islands even worse for Protoss than they already are lol (at least if the island isn't in blink range it's actually rly shitty for Protoss) CCs can drop while flying? No. Don't know what he's on about. Actually turns out they can. Just tested it in game to confirm.
I started to second guess myself after posting, couldn't be bothered to test though! Anyway, its not worth floating over, dropping scvs, waiting for them to kill creep tumours upon scan and then wait for creep to recede to finally drop the cc lol. Its not a problem.
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On January 18 2012 10:22 Jimmeh wrote:Show nested quote +On January 18 2012 10:19 VikingKong wrote:
The marines and scvs being trapped and stormed broke my heart. That cost Nada even more than not strike cannoning. Hard to strike cannon when most of your thors get feedbacked.
At the end of the fight, he had a couple of thors that still had enough energy to cannon. I honestly don't think it would have changed too much. The marines and scvs instantly dying was much worse.
What a fucking sick timing. Holy christ.
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the caster should dial down the fake excitement a bit, its getting kinda irritating.
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On January 18 2012 10:23 Diamond wrote:Show nested quote +On January 18 2012 10:21 dmnum wrote:On January 18 2012 10:18 Jono7272 wrote:On January 18 2012 10:17 dmnum wrote:On January 18 2012 10:15 Ragoo wrote:On January 18 2012 10:09 Seronei wrote:
I don't understand why a creep tumor would hinder terran very much, I guess they cant lift the CC instantly but that's never been that good? They can still CC first and lift to the island and take it safely. True it actually doesn't make a whole lot of sense. 5 SCVs in a CC fly over and can kill 2 tumors easy, with good micro maybe even 3. So 1 really isn't a problem at all... Just makes islands even worse for Protoss than they already are lol (at least if the island isn't in blink range it's actually rly shitty for Protoss) CCs can drop while flying? No. Don't know what he's on about. Actually turns out they can. Just tested it in game to confirm. Yep this is correct. Which is why the creep tumor is useless.
I don't think it's useless TBH, you have to waste 1 scan, plus the time from 5 scvs not mining, plus the time for the creep to disappear, which makes it not really viable during early game. Late game it favours terran IMO, but I think every protoss should make a warp prism if the game goes longer than 15 minutes, worst case scenario you force some turrets.
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On January 18 2012 10:42 Killmouse wrote:
wtf maphack
I liked those cannons a lot. It probably only puts you behind versus 1rax expand (He scouted no CC first before he put the forge down), but it makes your Nexus first safe against almost every other build. When I nexus first on the ladder, I have to deal with allins as a reaction pretty damn often, so it isn't a terrible idea?
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Lol @ the MULE call seconds before the DTs strike. NaDa was so unlucky in this game.
On January 18 2012 10:45 bennyaus wrote:wtf maphack
I liked those cannons a lot. It probably only puts you behind versus 1rax expand (He scouted no CC first before he put the forge down), but it makes your Nexus first safe against almost every other build. When I nexus first on the ladder, I have to deal with allins as a reaction pretty damn often, so it isn't a terrible idea?
It is a terrible idea. It doesn't make you safe against anything but Marine/SCV all-in, basically... Marauders-based attacks, Banshees, Hellions drops will likely kill you. Which is why I wonder why he made them—unless I missed something, all he saw was a complete wall and a Marine, or?... Makes sense if he saw the second rax before building the Forge, of course.
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Purple on Cloud Kingdom, such a purple overkill : D
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What the fuck is going on nada
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nada fading in mediocrity
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Forgg vs. Huk next? Can't wait for this one^^
bahh, nope. asd vs. Puma next.
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On January 18 2012 10:53 Black Gun wrote:nada fading in mediocrity
He dominated game 2, could have won game 1 if not for a positional mistake (even though Cyrano knew early enough what he was up to), and, well, game 3 was lost as soon as Cyrano read (or scouted?) his Marine/SCV push. I don't see why you're talking about mediocrity in this series, to be honest, I think his play was good.
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Have so say I actually found that pretty funny from orb, a little self-dialogue
Also, I'm really curious as to what they are saying to each other
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NaDa played great in the second set but some critical mistakes costed him the other two. GL tomorrow in GSL!
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Not sure why PuMa threw away 3 banshees for basically nothing...
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umm. is asd seriously going to lose this?
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On January 18 2012 11:16 gradotude wrote:
umm. is asd seriously going to lose this?
No, though he tried very hard. Why he didn't get a Fusion Core is beyond me. With his superior economy and Reactor Starports, he could have overwhelmed PuMa's vikings and taken advantage of his air superiority to produce BattleCruisers.
I still don't get the terrible decision from PuMa to commit his banshees in the first fight. He was in a very awkward position after this, and basically lost because of this awful fight.
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Take comfort in the fact that asd will lose this game.
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it's gonna be proxy conc marauders, been in the tvt meta for months now >.> especially common on big maps that people will cc first/1 rax cc, even lift the rax after 2 and kill supply depots
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That was a silly decision by asd.
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Puma needs to be in GSL...
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Puma's TvT really looks good. Decision making in that last game was top notch
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Good stuff from Puma there. Huk!
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It's exciting to see Huk again. I think he will win.
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No, it was formulated to destroy a no gas expo, you've been consistently wrong and you've just been repeatedly bashing asd for going for a build that was BY FAR the superior build in that situation. A proxy reaper would have done very little damage, with half decent scv micro and asd knew that, so he metagamed and went with concussive marauders, yes he could have built a reaper but instead he tried to float it to snipe the depots, but he made a huge error in assessing the situation and let PuMa get his bunker up. THAT he could have done better, but calling a code S terran who's best matchup is TvT bad for making a marauder instead of a reaper in that situation is a mistake at best.
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Is it just me, or is Orb becoming a really good caster? And by good, I mean REALLY good. He has good game knowledge and a nice voice, but I think now he also seems to have a lot more confidence than he had a couple of months ago. He seems cool now.
I'm really enjoying this!
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Holy shit. fOrGG. Never had the chance to see his GSL games. He's so sick
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On January 18 2012 12:02 FallDownMarigold wrote:
Holy shit. fOrGG. Never had the chance to see his GSL games. He's so sick
He went out on this map losing to MC, he used this conc expo while MC went 3 gate void allin
it's funny because it's the same scenario >.>
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forgg terrible micro that game, not like it wouldve really mattered but still
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On January 18 2012 12:07 aintz wrote:
forgg terrible micro that game, not like it wouldve really mattered but still
lol?
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On January 18 2012 12:06 Badfatpanda wrote:Show nested quote +On January 18 2012 12:02 FallDownMarigold wrote:
Holy shit. fOrGG. Never had the chance to see his GSL games. He's so sick He went out on this map losing to MC, he used this conc expo while MC went 3 gate void allin it's funny because it's the same scenario >.>
hahaha amazing
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going to start watching this stream more. high quality play and i love orbs style. not as polished as others with more experience, but he has really good knowledge of the game and shows genuine enthusiasm at important times, not just in the battles.
Another Important thing is he is talking the ENTIRE time in the early game. I'm watching Huk v Forgg and he walked through the scouting intentions, notes the +25 gas collection, etc. Lots of times in GSL Tasteless will give his "well there is some downtime here..." nononnono.
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This build from 4GG doesn't make much sense, especially on this map. It doesn't prevent a 1 gate expo and it's not that great defensively.
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On January 18 2012 12:08 cskalias.pbe wrote:
going to start watching this stream more. high quality play and i love orbs style. not as polished as others with more experience, but he has really good knowledge of the game and shows genuine enthusiasm at important times, not just in the battles.
Another Important thing is he is talking the ENTIRE time in the early game. I'm watching Huk v Forgg and he walked through the scouting intentions, notes the +25 gas collection, etc. Lots of times in GSL Tasteless will give his "well there is some downtime here..." nononnono.
Orb is a great caster and yeah this tourney is just so sick. Can't wait for more as we draw near the final rounds
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Marauder expand was scrapped because of when 3 gate voidrays were really popular, but protoss have stopped doing that recently so sometimes you see it now. It's still an auto loss if they happen to blind counter it like that.
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On January 18 2012 12:11 Itsmedudeman wrote:
Marauder expand was scrapped because of when 3 gate voidrays were really popular, but protoss have stopped doing that recently so sometimes you see it now. It's still an auto loss if they happen to blind counter it like that.
Agreed, but since vr allins are so uncommon now, and because it has SUCH an economic advantage over a 2 rax expo, it's still a great build if you can get away with it =D
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heh
So Im watchinh this 4gg guy for the second time and well he is not that impresive, pretty much overhyped.
and ragequit lol?
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overrated player down. gg
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Ragequit!
Wow, 2-0 by Huk!
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Overrated played through, cheesy little bastard isn't he.
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On January 18 2012 12:18 Moriarty wrote:
Overrated played through, cheesy little bastard isn't he.
Yeah bro four gates off a one gate expand isn't pressure, its 'cheese.' Jesus..
Well played by Huk, great decision making with that forward pylon and the trap.
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Those builds were bad by FoGG -__-
WP Huk, good luck next round!
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Did HuK do two all-ins or something?
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lol, unlucky BO loss g1 and an unfortunate poke cost him g2, yet there will be 10 more pages in that stupid elephant thread about how much a BW transitioned player sucks ><
Really excited for cyrano's next match, he played quite well, and he might even get to face leenock if he advances
edit: ooo I forgot supernova's playing =)))))
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fornogg 0-2 not even close...oh my :o
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Forgg is so very overrated, glad it's being demonstrated in his last few games (Code S, and this game). Full credit to HuK, who I'm a huge fan of, but if Forgg is anywhere near his hype level then HuK should theoretically be a walkover for him, and it was almost the other way around.
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On January 18 2012 12:10 juked wrote:Show nested quote +On January 18 2012 12:08 cskalias.pbe wrote:
going to start watching this stream more. high quality play and i love orbs style. not as polished as others with more experience, but he has really good knowledge of the game and shows genuine enthusiasm at important times, not just in the battles.
Another Important thing is he is talking the ENTIRE time in the early game. I'm watching Huk v Forgg and he walked through the scouting intentions, notes the +25 gas collection, etc. Lots of times in GSL Tasteless will give his "well there is some downtime here..." nononnono. Orb is a great caster and yeah this tourney is just so sick. Can't wait for more as we draw near the final rounds
Exactly! Orb is awesome, and casts solo for so long with no pause. As the weekly gets bigger (i'm sure it will) should maybe look into getting a co-caster for him.
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On January 18 2012 12:19 Badfatpanda wrote:lol, unlucky BO loss g1 and an unfortunate g2, yet there will be 10 more pages in that stupid elephant thread about how much a BW transitioned player sucks >< Really excited for cyrano's next match, he played quite well, and he might even get to face leenock if he advances
please... not that thread
wp Huk
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On January 18 2012 12:19 CosmicSpiral wrote:
Did HuK do two all-ins or something?
Not really.
The second game wasn't really an allin, he had an expo up and was just defending with his units. Then ForGG moves out with a portion of his army, gets flanked and loses the majority of it. So Huk goes in for the kill.
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On January 18 2012 12:20 bennyaus wrote:
Forgg is so very overrated, glad it's being demonstrated in his last few games (Code S, and this game). Full credit to HuK, who I'm a huge fan of, but if Forgg is anywhere near his hype level then HuK should theoretically be a walkover for him, and it was almost the other way around.
His recent code S games in the best group... and 2 games where he got pretty unlucky? Huk got stomped out of code A. Like STOMPED. Forgg walked into code S. Head to head means very little.
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Supernova has been beastly for a long time. Poor guy never gets credit.
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On January 18 2012 12:24 00Visor wrote:
Supernova has been beastly for a long time. Poor guy never gets credit.
Supernova is top 4 terran :D
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Meh, BW pros aren't living up to the hype. They'll have to grind out the games just like everyone else did.
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LOL sorry for cursing in chat.
It just bugs me that Supernova has doing great for so long and yet people don't know about it.
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On January 18 2012 12:24 Itsmedudeman wrote:Show nested quote +On January 18 2012 12:20 bennyaus wrote:
Forgg is so very overrated, glad it's being demonstrated in his last few games (Code S, and this game). Full credit to HuK, who I'm a huge fan of, but if Forgg is anywhere near his hype level then HuK should theoretically be a walkover for him, and it was almost the other way around. His recent code S games in the best group... and 2 games where he got pretty unlucky? Huk got stomped out of code A. Like STOMPED. Forgg walked into code S. Head to head means very little.
This isn't really about HuK but I'll bite. You clearly don't remember the last GSL? Stomped out of Code A. HuK only got knocked out of Code S because he lost to the runner up (Leenock) twice in R16 group stage, after stomping his R32 group, and then he lost in Code A to a Code S Terran (Keen) Forgg walked into Code S and walked straight out, yep it was a hard group, but so is every group in Code S... (HuK took out Puzzle and Clide in November R32, for example). ForGG got manhandled by Leenock even after having a ridiculous build order advantage at the start of the game.. (Unpunished double ebay/3 CCs?) and MC.
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On January 18 2012 12:25 Itsmedudeman wrote:Show nested quote +On January 18 2012 12:24 00Visor wrote:
Supernova has been beastly for a long time. Poor guy never gets credit. Supernova is top 4 terran :D
Who is your top 3 then?
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On January 18 2012 12:30 bennyaus wrote:Show nested quote +On January 18 2012 12:24 Itsmedudeman wrote:On January 18 2012 12:20 bennyaus wrote:
Forgg is so very overrated, glad it's being demonstrated in his last few games (Code S, and this game). Full credit to HuK, who I'm a huge fan of, but if Forgg is anywhere near his hype level then HuK should theoretically be a walkover for him, and it was almost the other way around. His recent code S games in the best group... and 2 games where he got pretty unlucky? Huk got stomped out of code A. Like STOMPED. Forgg walked into code S. Head to head means very little. This isn't really about HuK but I'll bite. You clearly don't remember the last GSL? Stomped out of Code A. HuK only got knocked out of Code S because he lost to the runner up (Leenock) twice in R16 group stage, after stomping his R32 group, and then he lost in Code A to a Code S Terran (Keen) Forgg walked into Code S and walked straight out, yep it was a hard group, but so is every group in Code S... (HuK took out Puzzle and Clide in November R32, for example). ForGG got manhandled by Leenock even after having a ridiculous build order advantage at the start of the game.. (Unpunished double ebay/3 CCs?) and MC.
You think Leenock and MC are the same as Puzzle and Clide? Really? And you do know Huk had up and downs as well, right?
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On January 18 2012 12:32 ItsMeDomLee wrote:Show nested quote +On January 18 2012 12:25 Itsmedudeman wrote:On January 18 2012 12:24 00Visor wrote:
Supernova has been beastly for a long time. Poor guy never gets credit. Supernova is top 4 terran :D Who is your top 3 then?
MVP, MMA, Jjakji. Pretty easy top 4 imo
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On January 18 2012 12:33 Itsmedudeman wrote:Show nested quote +On January 18 2012 12:32 ItsMeDomLee wrote:On January 18 2012 12:25 Itsmedudeman wrote:On January 18 2012 12:24 00Visor wrote:
Supernova has been beastly for a long time. Poor guy never gets credit. Supernova is top 4 terran :D Who is your top 3 then? MVP, MMA, Jjakji. Pretty easy top 4 imo
Jjakji is overrated. His TvT is too weak to be considered a top 3 terran.
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what is going on, I don't see supernova on the player list on first page?
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On January 18 2012 12:36 CosmicSpiral wrote:Show nested quote +On January 18 2012 12:33 Itsmedudeman wrote:On January 18 2012 12:32 ItsMeDomLee wrote:On January 18 2012 12:25 Itsmedudeman wrote:On January 18 2012 12:24 00Visor wrote:
Supernova has been beastly for a long time. Poor guy never gets credit. Supernova is top 4 terran :D Who is your top 3 then? MVP, MMA, Jjakji. Pretty easy top 4 imo Jjakji is overrated. His TvT is too weak to be considered a top 3 terran.
His other matchups make up for it, just like MMA and MVP's TvPs are comparatively weak to jjakji's.
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On January 18 2012 12:40 Itsmedudeman wrote:Show nested quote +On January 18 2012 12:36 CosmicSpiral wrote:On January 18 2012 12:33 Itsmedudeman wrote:On January 18 2012 12:32 ItsMeDomLee wrote:On January 18 2012 12:25 Itsmedudeman wrote:On January 18 2012 12:24 00Visor wrote:
Supernova has been beastly for a long time. Poor guy never gets credit. Supernova is top 4 terran :D Who is your top 3 then? MVP, MMA, Jjakji. Pretty easy top 4 imo Jjakji is overrated. His TvT is too weak to be considered a top 3 terran. His other matchups make up for it, just like MMA and MVP's TvPs are comparatively weak to jjakji's.
MvP/MMA's TvP > Jjakji's TvT
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On January 18 2012 12:41 CosmicSpiral wrote:Show nested quote +On January 18 2012 12:40 Itsmedudeman wrote:On January 18 2012 12:36 CosmicSpiral wrote:On January 18 2012 12:33 Itsmedudeman wrote:On January 18 2012 12:32 ItsMeDomLee wrote:On January 18 2012 12:25 Itsmedudeman wrote:On January 18 2012 12:24 00Visor wrote:
Supernova has been beastly for a long time. Poor guy never gets credit. Supernova is top 4 terran :D Who is your top 3 then? MVP, MMA, Jjakji. Pretty easy top 4 imo Jjakji is overrated. His TvT is too weak to be considered a top 3 terran. His other matchups make up for it, just like MMA and MVP's TvPs are comparatively weak to jjakji's. MvP/MMA's TvP > Jjakji's TvT
So? No one said jjakji was above MVP/MMA. I said he was 3rd best, and he won a GSL by beating, imo, the best PvT and at the time, best ZvT player. FACT IS MVP and MMA lost to the people jjakji beat in a bo5/bo7.
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On January 18 2012 12:44 Itsmedudeman wrote:Show nested quote +On January 18 2012 12:41 CosmicSpiral wrote:On January 18 2012 12:40 Itsmedudeman wrote:On January 18 2012 12:36 CosmicSpiral wrote:On January 18 2012 12:33 Itsmedudeman wrote:On January 18 2012 12:32 ItsMeDomLee wrote:On January 18 2012 12:25 Itsmedudeman wrote:On January 18 2012 12:24 00Visor wrote:
Supernova has been beastly for a long time. Poor guy never gets credit. Supernova is top 4 terran :D Who is your top 3 then? MVP, MMA, Jjakji. Pretty easy top 4 imo Jjakji is overrated. His TvT is too weak to be considered a top 3 terran. His other matchups make up for it, just like MMA and MVP's TvPs are comparatively weak to jjakji's. MvP/MMA's TvP > Jjakji's TvT So? No one said jjakji was above MVP/MMA. I said he was 3rd best, and he won a GSL by beating, imo, the best PvT and at the time, best ZvT player. FACT IS MVP and MMA lost to the people jjakji beat in a bo5/bo7.
You aren't the 3rd best player in the world simply because you won 2 series. Jjakji admitted that he would've lost the Oz series if Oz played more conservatively. MMA barely lost to Oz and he's beaten Leenock in every game since Providence. And MvP barely lost to Leenock.
At this point all we know is that Jjakji is good. We don't know if he's a perennial contender.
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why is he calling suprnova a underdog.... last time i check suprnova had much better gsl performance than taeja
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On January 18 2012 12:49 aintz wrote:
why is he calling suprnova a underdog.... last time i check suprnova had much better gsl performance than taeja
Taeja never loses in the Korean Weekly more or less.
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On January 18 2012 12:48 CosmicSpiral wrote:Show nested quote +On January 18 2012 12:44 Itsmedudeman wrote:On January 18 2012 12:41 CosmicSpiral wrote:On January 18 2012 12:40 Itsmedudeman wrote:On January 18 2012 12:36 CosmicSpiral wrote:On January 18 2012 12:33 Itsmedudeman wrote:On January 18 2012 12:32 ItsMeDomLee wrote:On January 18 2012 12:25 Itsmedudeman wrote:On January 18 2012 12:24 00Visor wrote:
Supernova has been beastly for a long time. Poor guy never gets credit. Supernova is top 4 terran :D Who is your top 3 then? MVP, MMA, Jjakji. Pretty easy top 4 imo Jjakji is overrated. His TvT is too weak to be considered a top 3 terran. His other matchups make up for it, just like MMA and MVP's TvPs are comparatively weak to jjakji's. MvP/MMA's TvP > Jjakji's TvT So? No one said jjakji was above MVP/MMA. I said he was 3rd best, and he won a GSL by beating, imo, the best PvT and at the time, best ZvT player. FACT IS MVP and MMA lost to the people jjakji beat in a bo5/bo7. You aren't the 3rd best player in the world simply because you won 2 series. Jjakji admitted that he would've lost the Oz series if Oz played more conservatively. MMA barely lost to Oz and he's beaten Leenock in every game since Providence. And MvP barely lost to Leenock.
And is that why Jjakji ended up beating Oz 2-0 again in KSL? Name one player who deserves 3rd best over jjakji. The only player is Supernova, but there's something very important in being able to make it deep in tournaments and coming out with a win in high pressure situations.
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lol anyone else see the manner CC's/scans/mules from supernova at the end there? xD
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On January 18 2012 12:50 Diamond wrote:Show nested quote +On January 18 2012 12:49 aintz wrote:
why is he calling suprnova a underdog.... last time i check suprnova had much better gsl performance than taeja Taeja never loses in the Korean Weekly more or less.
He's lost quite a lot recently. It's not exactly his weekly anymore. =/
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On January 18 2012 12:51 Itsmedudeman wrote:Show nested quote +On January 18 2012 12:48 CosmicSpiral wrote:On January 18 2012 12:44 Itsmedudeman wrote:On January 18 2012 12:41 CosmicSpiral wrote:On January 18 2012 12:40 Itsmedudeman wrote:On January 18 2012 12:36 CosmicSpiral wrote:On January 18 2012 12:33 Itsmedudeman wrote:On January 18 2012 12:32 ItsMeDomLee wrote:On January 18 2012 12:25 Itsmedudeman wrote:On January 18 2012 12:24 00Visor wrote:
Supernova has been beastly for a long time. Poor guy never gets credit. Supernova is top 4 terran :D Who is your top 3 then? MVP, MMA, Jjakji. Pretty easy top 4 imo Jjakji is overrated. His TvT is too weak to be considered a top 3 terran. His other matchups make up for it, just like MMA and MVP's TvPs are comparatively weak to jjakji's. MvP/MMA's TvP > Jjakji's TvT So? No one said jjakji was above MVP/MMA. I said he was 3rd best, and he won a GSL by beating, imo, the best PvT and at the time, best ZvT player. FACT IS MVP and MMA lost to the people jjakji beat in a bo5/bo7. You aren't the 3rd best player in the world simply because you won 2 series. Jjakji admitted that he would've lost the Oz series if Oz played more conservatively. MMA barely lost to Oz and he's beaten Leenock in every game since Providence. And MvP barely lost to Leenock. And is that why Jjakji ended up beating Oz 2-0 again in KSL? Name one player who deserves 3rd best over jjakji. The only player is Supernova, but there's something very important in being able to make it deep in tournaments and coming out with a win in high pressure situations.
I feel that Happy, Supernova, Jjakji, and maybe a few others (Keen, Ganzi, Taeja?) are all on an equivalent second tier, after MVP and MMA.
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On January 18 2012 12:51 Itsmedudeman wrote:Show nested quote +On January 18 2012 12:48 CosmicSpiral wrote:On January 18 2012 12:44 Itsmedudeman wrote:On January 18 2012 12:41 CosmicSpiral wrote:On January 18 2012 12:40 Itsmedudeman wrote:On January 18 2012 12:36 CosmicSpiral wrote:On January 18 2012 12:33 Itsmedudeman wrote:On January 18 2012 12:32 ItsMeDomLee wrote:On January 18 2012 12:25 Itsmedudeman wrote:On January 18 2012 12:24 00Visor wrote:
Supernova has been beastly for a long time. Poor guy never gets credit. Supernova is top 4 terran :D Who is your top 3 then? MVP, MMA, Jjakji. Pretty easy top 4 imo Jjakji is overrated. His TvT is too weak to be considered a top 3 terran. His other matchups make up for it, just like MMA and MVP's TvPs are comparatively weak to jjakji's. MvP/MMA's TvP > Jjakji's TvT So? No one said jjakji was above MVP/MMA. I said he was 3rd best, and he won a GSL by beating, imo, the best PvT and at the time, best ZvT player. FACT IS MVP and MMA lost to the people jjakji beat in a bo5/bo7. You aren't the 3rd best player in the world simply because you won 2 series. Jjakji admitted that he would've lost the Oz series if Oz played more conservatively. MMA barely lost to Oz and he's beaten Leenock in every game since Providence. And MvP barely lost to Leenock. And is that why Jjakji ended up beating Oz 2-0 again in KSL? Name one player who deserves 3rd best over jjakji. The only player is Supernova, but there's something very important in being able to make it deep in tournaments and coming out with a win in high pressure situations.
Is that why Younghwa beat him 2-1 in KSL? Damn, Finale has won a KSL but that doesn't make him a top Protoss in the world. Oz having the best PvT in the world is a questionable assumption anyway.
Point is, we need to see more games out of Jjakji before we start to rate him among players who have been in Code S for much longer.
Supernova, Polt, Keen, Ganzi.
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On January 18 2012 12:51 Itsmedudeman wrote:Show nested quote +On January 18 2012 12:48 CosmicSpiral wrote:On January 18 2012 12:44 Itsmedudeman wrote:On January 18 2012 12:41 CosmicSpiral wrote:On January 18 2012 12:40 Itsmedudeman wrote:On January 18 2012 12:36 CosmicSpiral wrote:On January 18 2012 12:33 Itsmedudeman wrote:On January 18 2012 12:32 ItsMeDomLee wrote:On January 18 2012 12:25 Itsmedudeman wrote:On January 18 2012 12:24 00Visor wrote:
Supernova has been beastly for a long time. Poor guy never gets credit. Supernova is top 4 terran :D Who is your top 3 then? MVP, MMA, Jjakji. Pretty easy top 4 imo Jjakji is overrated. His TvT is too weak to be considered a top 3 terran. His other matchups make up for it, just like MMA and MVP's TvPs are comparatively weak to jjakji's. MvP/MMA's TvP > Jjakji's TvT So? No one said jjakji was above MVP/MMA. I said he was 3rd best, and he won a GSL by beating, imo, the best PvT and at the time, best ZvT player. FACT IS MVP and MMA lost to the people jjakji beat in a bo5/bo7. You aren't the 3rd best player in the world simply because you won 2 series. Jjakji admitted that he would've lost the Oz series if Oz played more conservatively. MMA barely lost to Oz and he's beaten Leenock in every game since Providence. And MvP barely lost to Leenock. And is that why Jjakji ended up beating Oz 2-0 again in KSL? Name one player who deserves 3rd best over jjakji. The only player is Supernova, but there's something very important in being able to make it deep in tournaments and coming out with a win in high pressure situations.
Jjakji is arguably the 3rd best Terran right now, but it is contentious because MVP and MMA are so far ahead of him. Jjakji gets the title largely because of his GSL win, but let's not forget that there are guys like Ganzi (Code A champ and Code S semifinalist) and Happy (Code S semifinalist) who are also very close to him in skill level. Ganzi in particular just beat Jjakji in the Ro32, but since Ganzi has no Code S title (yet), Jjakji is still more accomplished in my opinion.
Like any ranking, it is often easy to determine the #1 and #2 players, since they are outliers (MVP and MMA). It is hard for Jjakji to stand out because there are so many good Korean Terrans.
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There is really no point in arguing how good Jjakji is. There is no doubt he is a very strong player, but we just need to see more...
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On January 18 2012 12:50 Diamond wrote:Show nested quote +On January 18 2012 12:49 aintz wrote:
why is he calling suprnova a underdog.... last time i check suprnova had much better gsl performance than taeja Taeja never loses in the Korean Weekly more or less.
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On January 18 2012 12:55 CosmicSpiral wrote:Show nested quote +On January 18 2012 12:51 Itsmedudeman wrote:On January 18 2012 12:48 CosmicSpiral wrote:On January 18 2012 12:44 Itsmedudeman wrote:On January 18 2012 12:41 CosmicSpiral wrote:On January 18 2012 12:40 Itsmedudeman wrote:On January 18 2012 12:36 CosmicSpiral wrote:On January 18 2012 12:33 Itsmedudeman wrote:On January 18 2012 12:32 ItsMeDomLee wrote:On January 18 2012 12:25 Itsmedudeman wrote:
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Supernova is top 4 terran :D Who is your top 3 then? MVP, MMA, Jjakji. Pretty easy top 4 imo Jjakji is overrated. His TvT is too weak to be considered a top 3 terran. His other matchups make up for it, just like MMA and MVP's TvPs are comparatively weak to jjakji's. MvP/MMA's TvP > Jjakji's TvT So? No one said jjakji was above MVP/MMA. I said he was 3rd best, and he won a GSL by beating, imo, the best PvT and at the time, best ZvT player. FACT IS MVP and MMA lost to the people jjakji beat in a bo5/bo7. You aren't the 3rd best player in the world simply because you won 2 series. Jjakji admitted that he would've lost the Oz series if Oz played more conservatively. MMA barely lost to Oz and he's beaten Leenock in every game since Providence. And MvP barely lost to Leenock. And is that why Jjakji ended up beating Oz 2-0 again in KSL? Name one player who deserves 3rd best over jjakji. The only player is Supernova, but there's something very important in being able to make it deep in tournaments and coming out with a win in high pressure situations. Is that why Younghwa beat him 2-1 in KSL? Damn, Finale has won a KSL but that doesn't make him a top Protoss in the world. Oz having the best PvT in the world is a questionable assumption anyway. Supernova, Polt, Keen, Ganzi.
Lol so all of a sudden, GSL results don't matter because of "almosts", and the only thing that matters are head to head tvts. Ok. I was trying to prove a point that Jjakji deserved his win over Oz for sure, but I guess no win matters unless it's a sweep in GSL.
You listed a player who couldn't manage to get into code S this season and who did VERY mediocre in the Blizzard Cup. He made it out of group stages by simply beating out a really bad nestea and a naniwa. Keen, who is very good yes, but is still up and coming and really there is no way to gauge his true skill yet because his most notable achievements were a team league all kill in bo1s against slayers and stomped out huk with some new meta. Seriously, Keen's tourn around from mediocre to good is nothing compared to jjakji's. Then Ganzi, who probably has the worst TvP I've ever seen, and Supernova, my #4. Let me remind everyone that jjakji did in fact go all the way and won the VERY LAST GSL against a Leenock with enough momentum behind him to tumble MVP.
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TAEJA NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO T________________________________T SUPERNOVA I HATE YOUUUU
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On January 18 2012 13:05 Diamond wrote:
Taeja nooooo!!!!!!
Noooo!!! Taeja!
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Supernova is a beast, what can I say? His TvT is great, his TvZ is amazing, and his TvP is very good when he prepares.
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On January 18 2012 13:03 Itsmedudeman wrote:Show nested quote +On January 18 2012 12:55 CosmicSpiral wrote:On January 18 2012 12:51 Itsmedudeman wrote:On January 18 2012 12:48 CosmicSpiral wrote:On January 18 2012 12:44 Itsmedudeman wrote:On January 18 2012 12:41 CosmicSpiral wrote:On January 18 2012 12:40 Itsmedudeman wrote:On January 18 2012 12:36 CosmicSpiral wrote:On January 18 2012 12:33 Itsmedudeman wrote:On January 18 2012 12:32 ItsMeDomLee wrote:
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Who is your top 3 then? MVP, MMA, Jjakji. Pretty easy top 4 imo Jjakji is overrated. His TvT is too weak to be considered a top 3 terran. His other matchups make up for it, just like MMA and MVP's TvPs are comparatively weak to jjakji's. MvP/MMA's TvP > Jjakji's TvT So? No one said jjakji was above MVP/MMA. I said he was 3rd best, and he won a GSL by beating, imo, the best PvT and at the time, best ZvT player. FACT IS MVP and MMA lost to the people jjakji beat in a bo5/bo7. You aren't the 3rd best player in the world simply because you won 2 series. Jjakji admitted that he would've lost the Oz series if Oz played more conservatively. MMA barely lost to Oz and he's beaten Leenock in every game since Providence. And MvP barely lost to Leenock. And is that why Jjakji ended up beating Oz 2-0 again in KSL? Name one player who deserves 3rd best over jjakji. The only player is Supernova, but there's something very important in being able to make it deep in tournaments and coming out with a win in high pressure situations. Is that why Younghwa beat him 2-1 in KSL? Damn, Finale has won a KSL but that doesn't make him a top Protoss in the world. Oz having the best PvT in the world is a questionable assumption anyway. Supernova, Polt, Keen, Ganzi. Lol so all of a sudden, GSL results don't matter because of "almosts", and the only thing that matters are head to head tvts. Ok. I was trying to prove a point that Jjakji deserved his win over Oz for sure, but I guess no win matters unless it's a sweep in GSL. You listed a player who couldn't manage to get into code S this season and who did VERY mediocre in the Blizzard Cup. He made it out of group stages by simply beating out a really bad nestea and a naniwa. Keen, who is very good yes, but is still up and coming and really there is no way to gauge his true skill yet because his most notable achievements were a team league all kill in bo1s against slayers and stomped out huk with some new meta. Seriously, Keen's tourn around from mediocre to good is nothing compared to jjakji's. Then Ganzi, who probably has the worst TvP I've ever seen, and Supernova, my #4. Let me remind everyone that jjakji did in fact go all the way and won the VERY LAST GSL.
Well, there was this one time I saw this bronze guy play TvP...
Joking aside, I do want to know why everybody thinks Supernova should be in the top 5. He is certainly very good, but what results does he have besides winning Code A a few months back? He did qualify for WCG, but was knocked out earlier than expected by a non-Korean. His Code S runs have not been spectacular either.
I do agree with you that Jjakji is the 3rd Terran at this point, since MMA and MVP are the only terrans with GSL titles...ok enough of the "ignore Polt" game, but Polt is not playing that well anymore and is languishing in Code A.
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On January 18 2012 13:12 Bagration wrote:Show nested quote +On January 18 2012 13:03 Itsmedudeman wrote:On January 18 2012 12:55 CosmicSpiral wrote:On January 18 2012 12:51 Itsmedudeman wrote:On January 18 2012 12:48 CosmicSpiral wrote:On January 18 2012 12:44 Itsmedudeman wrote:On January 18 2012 12:41 CosmicSpiral wrote:On January 18 2012 12:40 Itsmedudeman wrote:On January 18 2012 12:36 CosmicSpiral wrote:On January 18 2012 12:33 Itsmedudeman wrote:
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MVP, MMA, Jjakji. Pretty easy top 4 imo Jjakji is overrated. His TvT is too weak to be considered a top 3 terran. His other matchups make up for it, just like MMA and MVP's TvPs are comparatively weak to jjakji's. MvP/MMA's TvP > Jjakji's TvT So? No one said jjakji was above MVP/MMA. I said he was 3rd best, and he won a GSL by beating, imo, the best PvT and at the time, best ZvT player. FACT IS MVP and MMA lost to the people jjakji beat in a bo5/bo7. You aren't the 3rd best player in the world simply because you won 2 series. Jjakji admitted that he would've lost the Oz series if Oz played more conservatively. MMA barely lost to Oz and he's beaten Leenock in every game since Providence. And MvP barely lost to Leenock. And is that why Jjakji ended up beating Oz 2-0 again in KSL? Name one player who deserves 3rd best over jjakji. The only player is Supernova, but there's something very important in being able to make it deep in tournaments and coming out with a win in high pressure situations. Is that why Younghwa beat him 2-1 in KSL? Damn, Finale has won a KSL but that doesn't make him a top Protoss in the world. Oz having the best PvT in the world is a questionable assumption anyway. Supernova, Polt, Keen, Ganzi. Lol so all of a sudden, GSL results don't matter because of "almosts", and the only thing that matters are head to head tvts. Ok. I was trying to prove a point that Jjakji deserved his win over Oz for sure, but I guess no win matters unless it's a sweep in GSL. You listed a player who couldn't manage to get into code S this season and who did VERY mediocre in the Blizzard Cup. He made it out of group stages by simply beating out a really bad nestea and a naniwa. Keen, who is very good yes, but is still up and coming and really there is no way to gauge his true skill yet because his most notable achievements were a team league all kill in bo1s against slayers and stomped out huk with some new meta. Seriously, Keen's tourn around from mediocre to good is nothing compared to jjakji's. Then Ganzi, who probably has the worst TvP I've ever seen, and Supernova, my #4. Let me remind everyone that jjakji did in fact go all the way and won the VERY LAST GSL. Well, there was this one time I saw this bronze guy play TvP... Joking aside, I do want to know why everybody thinks Supernova should be in the top 5. He is certainly very good, but what results does he have besides winning Code A a few months back? He did qualify for WCG, but was knocked out earlier than expected by a non-Korean. His Code S runs have not been spectacular either. I do agree with you that Jjakji is the 3rd Terran at this point, since MMA and MVP are the only terrans with GSL titles...ok enough of the "ignore Polt" game, but Polt is not playing that well anymore and is languishing in Code A.
Qualifying for WCG in Korea/winning WCG Korea is much more difficult than WCG itself imo. The only reason he didn't take 2nd was because he had to play MVP in the ro4 instead of the finals. Then before this he beat out DRG twice in GSL and in AOL, then lost against MVP again later on in AOL. He also barely lost against MVP when he was ahead in both games 2 and 3 in mech vs mech. Then he rolls through his code A bracket like no problem against his weakest matchup, and then tops the toughest group in GSL when it changed to bo3 format.
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On January 18 2012 13:20 Itsmedudeman wrote:Show nested quote +On January 18 2012 13:12 Bagration wrote:On January 18 2012 13:03 Itsmedudeman wrote:On January 18 2012 12:55 CosmicSpiral wrote:On January 18 2012 12:51 Itsmedudeman wrote:On January 18 2012 12:48 CosmicSpiral wrote:On January 18 2012 12:44 Itsmedudeman wrote:On January 18 2012 12:41 CosmicSpiral wrote:On January 18 2012 12:40 Itsmedudeman wrote:On January 18 2012 12:36 CosmicSpiral wrote:
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Jjakji is overrated. His TvT is too weak to be considered a top 3 terran. His other matchups make up for it, just like MMA and MVP's TvPs are comparatively weak to jjakji's. MvP/MMA's TvP > Jjakji's TvT So? No one said jjakji was above MVP/MMA. I said he was 3rd best, and he won a GSL by beating, imo, the best PvT and at the time, best ZvT player. FACT IS MVP and MMA lost to the people jjakji beat in a bo5/bo7. You aren't the 3rd best player in the world simply because you won 2 series. Jjakji admitted that he would've lost the Oz series if Oz played more conservatively. MMA barely lost to Oz and he's beaten Leenock in every game since Providence. And MvP barely lost to Leenock. And is that why Jjakji ended up beating Oz 2-0 again in KSL? Name one player who deserves 3rd best over jjakji. The only player is Supernova, but there's something very important in being able to make it deep in tournaments and coming out with a win in high pressure situations. Is that why Younghwa beat him 2-1 in KSL? Damn, Finale has won a KSL but that doesn't make him a top Protoss in the world. Oz having the best PvT in the world is a questionable assumption anyway. Supernova, Polt, Keen, Ganzi. Lol so all of a sudden, GSL results don't matter because of "almosts", and the only thing that matters are head to head tvts. Ok. I was trying to prove a point that Jjakji deserved his win over Oz for sure, but I guess no win matters unless it's a sweep in GSL. You listed a player who couldn't manage to get into code S this season and who did VERY mediocre in the Blizzard Cup. He made it out of group stages by simply beating out a really bad nestea and a naniwa. Keen, who is very good yes, but is still up and coming and really there is no way to gauge his true skill yet because his most notable achievements were a team league all kill in bo1s against slayers and stomped out huk with some new meta. Seriously, Keen's tourn around from mediocre to good is nothing compared to jjakji's. Then Ganzi, who probably has the worst TvP I've ever seen, and Supernova, my #4. Let me remind everyone that jjakji did in fact go all the way and won the VERY LAST GSL. Well, there was this one time I saw this bronze guy play TvP... Joking aside, I do want to know why everybody thinks Supernova should be in the top 5. He is certainly very good, but what results does he have besides winning Code A a few months back? He did qualify for WCG, but was knocked out earlier than expected by a non-Korean. His Code S runs have not been spectacular either. I do agree with you that Jjakji is the 3rd Terran at this point, since MMA and MVP are the only terrans with GSL titles...ok enough of the "ignore Polt" game, but Polt is not playing that well anymore and is languishing in Code A. Qualifying for WCG in Korea/winning WCG Korea is much more difficult than WCG itself imo. The only reason he didn't take 2nd was because he had to play MVP in the ro4 instead of the finals. Then before this he beat out DRG twice in GSL and in AOL, then lost against MVP again later on in AOL. He also barely lost against MVP when he was ahead in both games 2 and 3 in mech vs mech. Then he rolls through his code A bracket like no problem against his weakest matchup, and then tops the toughest group in GSL when it changed to bo3 format.
Fair enough. Let's see how he does this season.
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Too much talking by orb =/
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On January 18 2012 13:21 Bagration wrote:
Did you know that everytime Puma has won a major tournament, he did it by beating a Protoss in the finals? The more you know...
Ohh yeah. Puma's 1-1-1 is beastly
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he lost because he warped stalkers instead of zealots. he had to lift and get out after he lost his zealots because scv/marine wouldve demolished his remaining stalkers. really really not impressed at this commentator.
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On January 18 2012 13:26 zmansman17 wrote:Show nested quote +On January 18 2012 13:21 Bagration wrote:
Did you know that everytime Puma has won a major tournament, he did it by beating a Protoss in the finals? The more you know... Ohh yeah. Puma's 1-1-1 is beastly
Yes, yes it is. But in all fairness, when he beat MC in the NASL finals, he did not use the 1-1-1 once in that 7 game series. When he played Hero in the season 2 finals, he used a 2 base variant only once. He plays to win, and against Protoss he does often.
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On January 18 2012 13:24 lichter wrote:
Too much talking by orb =/
Agreed, I wish he wouldn't analyze for so long in between each game.
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Puma once again showing a beastly TvP. 1-1-1 or not, it's clearly his best matchup by far.
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On January 18 2012 13:34 Tek_ wrote:Agreed, I wish he wouldn't analyze for so long in between each game.
And his analysis is a liiiittle flimsy. He shoul focus on commentating more than analyzing, and keep the pace of games fast and continuous.
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On January 18 2012 13:03 Itsmedudeman wrote:Show nested quote +On January 18 2012 12:55 CosmicSpiral wrote:On January 18 2012 12:51 Itsmedudeman wrote:On January 18 2012 12:48 CosmicSpiral wrote:On January 18 2012 12:44 Itsmedudeman wrote:On January 18 2012 12:41 CosmicSpiral wrote:On January 18 2012 12:40 Itsmedudeman wrote:On January 18 2012 12:36 CosmicSpiral wrote:On January 18 2012 12:33 Itsmedudeman wrote:On January 18 2012 12:32 ItsMeDomLee wrote:
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Who is your top 3 then? MVP, MMA, Jjakji. Pretty easy top 4 imo Jjakji is overrated. His TvT is too weak to be considered a top 3 terran. His other matchups make up for it, just like MMA and MVP's TvPs are comparatively weak to jjakji's. MvP/MMA's TvP > Jjakji's TvT So? No one said jjakji was above MVP/MMA. I said he was 3rd best, and he won a GSL by beating, imo, the best PvT and at the time, best ZvT player. FACT IS MVP and MMA lost to the people jjakji beat in a bo5/bo7. You aren't the 3rd best player in the world simply because you won 2 series. Jjakji admitted that he would've lost the Oz series if Oz played more conservatively. MMA barely lost to Oz and he's beaten Leenock in every game since Providence. And MvP barely lost to Leenock. And is that why Jjakji ended up beating Oz 2-0 again in KSL? Name one player who deserves 3rd best over jjakji. The only player is Supernova, but there's something very important in being able to make it deep in tournaments and coming out with a win in high pressure situations. Is that why Younghwa beat him 2-1 in KSL? Damn, Finale has won a KSL but that doesn't make him a top Protoss in the world. Oz having the best PvT in the world is a questionable assumption anyway. Supernova, Polt, Keen, Ganzi. Lol so all of a sudden, GSL results don't matter because of "almosts", and the only thing that matters are head to head tvts. Ok. I was trying to prove a point that Jjakji deserved his win over Oz for sure, but I guess no win matters unless it's a sweep in GSL. You listed a player who couldn't manage to get into code S this season and who did VERY mediocre in the Blizzard Cup. He made it out of group stages by simply beating out a really bad nestea and a naniwa. Keen, who is very good yes, but is still up and coming and really there is no way to gauge his true skill yet because his most notable achievements were a team league all kill in bo1s against slayers and stomped out huk with some new meta. Seriously, Keen's tourn around from mediocre to good is nothing compared to jjakji's. Then Ganzi, who probably has the worst TvP I've ever seen, and Supernova, my #4. Let me remind everyone that jjakji did in fact go all the way and won the VERY LAST GSL.
LOL so all of a sudden the results of one GSL are the only results that matter and everything else can be dismissed due to lack of importance? I can play this game all day.
Of course he deserved his win over Oz; short of poisoning his food Jjakji played better that day.
A player who got knocked down into Code A because of a BO loss (a specific snipe build to be precise) and a cheese that barely failed. And then he dominated his other opponents in macro games. Meanwhile he initially goes 3-1 in his Blizzard Cup group, proceeding to lose to the best ZvT in the world and barely loses to the player he just dominated in the last game. Then he loses 3-1 to MvP. First game is a scouted proxy Thor rush and pretty much an auto-loss, second game is genuinely poor play, third game he beats MvP with the same comp (marine/tank), fourth game he barely loses because of an incomplete BC transition.
Keen's been in the GSL since May and Code S since August. No new meta whatever from HuK, just poor builds. He's been mostly overlooked because of mediocre TvT, the very matchup Jjakji successfully avoided on his road to the GSL finals. Pretty insincere of you to dismiss BO1 team format since the best players in the world need to excel in all kinds of tournaments. Jjakji may have shown he is great at preparing for specific opponents but he is severely unproven in team leagues.
I'm sorry, you need to replace Ganzi with TOP and you would be correct.
Fact of the matter is Jjakji is just another bandwagon player at the moment and he has to prove that he has legitimate staying power. It's easy to crow about his games with Oz and Leenock and forget that he barely scraped by his Ro32 and Ro16 groups. It's easy to forget that the GSL champion depends just as much on luck as on skill to win, and that many tournament winners never reproduce their success again (Inca? Rainbow? Great? Kwanro?). The reason we call MvP and MMA the best terrans is because they have proven themselves to be consistent in all tournament types and all situations. Jjakji requires more time to ascertain his skill level. He's top 10 in my book but top 3 is stretching it.
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o huk still with the bad decisions
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On January 18 2012 13:46 aintz wrote:o huk still with the bad decisions
O TheBest still with play I never ever ever want to watch (except to amuse me)
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On January 18 2012 13:46 aintz wrote:o huk still with the bad decisions
Yeah, after you see that there's no expansion and marauders you NEED to just start getting sentries and get ready for the all-in... especially when you're playing against TheBest. :/
I still have faith in HuK though ^_^
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Orb I like the analyses you give. It even gets the haters talkin 'bout analyses so I'm into it.
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On January 18 2012 13:49 Techno wrote:
Orb I like the analyses you give. It even gets the haters talkin 'bout analyses so I'm into it.
Nobody is hating, but with so many games to play talking for 5 minutes between games realllllly stretches things out.
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FXOTheCheesiest going for another 1 base strategy, this time the 1-1-1.
Edit: Huk NOOOO!!! Not against him of all people!
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TheBest sits on the right hand of Tassadar, the Prince of Cheese and All-Ins.
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Man this is why TheBest is never going to make it into Code A any time soon
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wow 2 games no expos.....
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Meh, Huk has lost it.
MC would have wiped the floor with a scrub like TheBest.
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A bit sad for HuK to go out against TheBest :/
But then again, the Terran picked The Best Build for sure.
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Really like Orbs casting, very knowledgeable fella.
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omg hes WHY IS HE NOT SIEGING UP. cuz he doesnt want to splash his own units and unsiege tanks' dps is fine.
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HuK down
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Koreans > White dudes, 'tis known.
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On January 18 2012 14:05 Chrian wrote:
Koreans > White dudes, 'tis known.
Huk just beat forGG 2-0.
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On January 18 2012 14:45 Bagration wrote:Huk just beat forGG 2-0.
And then loses to 2 one-base builds from TheBest. Oh Huk....
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So when are the Quarterfinals being cast? Is it today? I see nothing in the calendar?
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On January 19 2012 04:39 sitromit wrote:
So when are the Quarterfinals being cast? Is it today? I see nothing in the calendar?
Today, 6PM EST
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Today's matchesQuarterfinals oGs.TheSTC vs. ST.Squirtle NsHS.Jjakji vs. oGs.JookTo EG.Puma vs. FXO.Leenock and the semifinals and finals!
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Should be great! Hoping to see a Jjakji v Leenock rematch in the final :D
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wow crazy games, so exited! ;D
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Squirtle FTW. Only one protoss
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I really liked watching last time! great work! probably tune in this time too if im bored
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Oh I made a mistake, Supernova/TheBest will not be shown. The rest will however.
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On January 19 2012 07:55 Diamond wrote:
Oh I made a mistake, Supernova/TheBest will not be shown. The rest will however.
Ah that's fine, the weakest game of the lot since nova should take that reasonably comfortably.
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OMG potential Jjakjji vs Leenock rematch for the finals!
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Is it true that if I subscribe to the twitchtv channel, I get access to all replays? Where can I find more details on this? (like when do I get them and how).
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On January 19 2012 08:07 cyclone25 wrote:
Is it true that if I subscribe to the twitchtv channel, I get access to all replays? Where can I find more details on this? (like when do I get them and how).
It's true but right now there is no Korean players that have opted in to the replay release program. So right now the benefit is solely ad free and a cool icon.
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On January 19 2012 08:12 Diamond wrote:Show nested quote +On January 19 2012 08:07 cyclone25 wrote:
Is it true that if I subscribe to the twitchtv channel, I get access to all replays? Where can I find more details on this? (like when do I get them and how). It's true but right now there is no Korean players that have opted in to the replay release program.
That's a shame =(. Would many refuse to play if you made replay release mandatory?
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On January 19 2012 08:15 milesfacade wrote:Show nested quote +On January 19 2012 08:12 Diamond wrote:On January 19 2012 08:07 cyclone25 wrote:
Is it true that if I subscribe to the twitchtv channel, I get access to all replays? Where can I find more details on this? (like when do I get them and how). It's true but right now there is no Korean players that have opted in to the replay release program. That's a shame =(. Would many refuse to play if you made replay release mandatory?
Very possible. I know for example in previous weeklies DRG did not join because of this issue.
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Could the ESV people put the updated schedule information in the OP? It's kind of a pain sifting through 30 pages trying to find the schedule for each day, etc. Just a thought...
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On January 19 2012 08:19 vurt wrote:
Could the ESV people put the updated schedule information in the OP? It's kind of a pain sifting through 30 pages trying to find the schedule for each day, etc. Just a thought...
It's not our OP, a fan made this. Sorry.
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On January 19 2012 08:21 Diamond wrote:Show nested quote +On January 19 2012 08:19 vurt wrote:
Could the ESV people put the updated schedule information in the OP? It's kind of a pain sifting through 30 pages trying to find the schedule for each day, etc. Just a thought... It's not our OP, a fan made this. Sorry.
I didn't see the schedule for today and hadn't received it yet. Fixing now
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Thought Squirtle was going to lose that game for sure when he engaged.
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1 base vs 3 CC... Flipped that coin.
Bwhaha Beta Orb seeping through :p
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How... how do you hold a 4 gate while getting a fast 3rd cc? Da fuck?
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That was like the funkiest way ever to come back from a 9 SCVs to 18 probes worker difference
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1 rax gasless expand is supposed to hold 4gate convincingly. -.-
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1rax gasless FEFE is the new 4-gate counter This makes me want to go ladder again lol.
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On January 19 2012 08:53 Warfie wrote:
That was like the funkiest way ever to come back from a 9 SCVs to 18 probes worker difference
mules man...
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On January 19 2012 08:55 K3Nyy wrote:
1 rax gasless expand is supposed to hold 4gate convincingly. -.-
He went 1rax gasless double expand.
That's a long time without additional marine production.
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On January 19 2012 08:53 Warfie wrote:
That was like the funkiest way ever to come back from a 9 SCVs to 18 probes worker difference
Terran has the advantage, it's not a come-back.
9 SCV + 3 orbitals >> 18 probes
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I'm loving that the Korean Weekly's getting so many more viewers this season! Easily one of the most top notch tournaments on a week-to-week base. Huge thanks to orb, Diamond, and all other crew involved with these!
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This game is a trainwreck.
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That marine running to try to get to the bunker without getting killed by drones suddenly reminded me of a quarterback in American football trying not to get sacked.
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I'm one of the 6k pll watching it, but I feel we could even have more if it was showing on TL's right side thing =(
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On January 19 2012 09:25 sashamunguia wrote:
I'm one of the 6k pll watching it, but I feel we could even have more if it was showing on TL's right side thing =(
It seems to be set as "other" not "SC2"......
Edit: Fixed.
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Puma played already? EG tweeted[?] 2 times he is about to be on the stream, but everytime different games were show ;p
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On January 19 2012 09:32 monXikk wrote:
Puma played already? EG tweeted[?] 2 times he is about to be on the stream, but everytime different games were show ;p
i know!! i wanna see that dont think hes played. since these are replays and all the tweets maybe he won
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He's up after this series.
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I'm sorry, BUT Orb doing a trash job with the awareness for SOPA/PIPA part, why is he talking about it like it isn't a big deal or that it doesn't matter...
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On January 19 2012 09:37 Pipeline wrote:
I'm sorry, BUT Orb doing a trash job with the awareness for SOPA/PIPA part, why is he talking about it like it isn't a big deal or that it doesn't matter...
I disagree that he talked about it as if it didn't matter. It was in tune with his general attitude, which is light hearted and relaxed. In my opinion spending more time explaining what SOPA/PIPA is would have felt out of place in the show, which is about SC2 after all. I was glad to see them even mentioning it.
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On January 19 2012 09:37 Pipeline wrote:
I'm sorry, BUT Orb doing a trash job with the awareness for SOPA/PIPA part, why is he talking about it like it isn't a big deal or that it doesn't matter...
As Tycho from Penny Arcade says, It can be hard to explain it in a meaningful way.
Brenna asked me what SOPA was last night, and I was quiet for about fifteen seconds while I tried to create a definition that would make any kind of sense to someone who wasn’t a Redditor. If you say that it’s a mechanism for curbing the distribution of copyrighted material, that’s not something that people think is “wrong.”
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Someone asked me my “stance” on SOPA/PIPA last week, and I told them that I had the same stance as every other conscious being; that it’s Satanic. But I didn’t know what to do.
You can't quite just explain it as "the government is going to shut down Wikipedia and Youtube." That line of argument is most hyperbolic FUD designed to scare people into a "Oh, SOPA must be bad then" mentality. Any real argument has to be based on the inherent freedom of information and impartiality that build the Internet, and it's not a principle that everyone is aware of.
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On January 19 2012 09:37 Pipeline wrote:
I'm sorry, BUT Orb doing a trash job with the awareness for SOPA/PIPA part, why is he talking about it like it isn't a big deal or that it doesn't matter...
because he's casting a game not making a political speech. give him a break jesus.
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Bad bad lategame from Jookto.
Jjakji looked more shaky than I've seen in a TvZ but Jookto just isn't good enough to actually punish him.
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On January 19 2012 09:37 Pipeline wrote:
I'm sorry, BUT Orb doing a trash job with the awareness for SOPA/PIPA part, why is he talking about it like it isn't a big deal or that it doesn't matter...
Satisfied?
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I'm sad... Jookto did not deserve that game. I want people to be able to see his potential, apparently he's a supergosu in the teamhouse. Pretty much impossible to set up a flank against that insane tank count lategame with the whole choke taken up . In the meantime, this looks like oGs's tournament, Jook in ro8 barely losing to JJAKJI, with super and STC in the semis, having beat squirtle and taeja, the weekly bonjwa. I still love you guys even without MC!
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Caster seems to get races and names wrong fairly often,, gotta work on that..
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On January 19 2012 09:46 Typhon wrote:Show nested quote +On January 19 2012 09:37 Pipeline wrote:
I'm sorry, BUT Orb doing a trash job with the awareness for SOPA/PIPA part, why is he talking about it like it isn't a big deal or that it doesn't matter... As Tycho from Penny Arcade says, It can be hard to explain it in a meaningful way. Show nested quote +Brenna asked me what SOPA was last night, and I was quiet for about fifteen seconds while I tried to create a definition that would make any kind of sense to someone who wasn’t a Redditor. If you say that it’s a mechanism for curbing the distribution of copyrighted material, that’s not something that people think is “wrong.”
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Someone asked me my “stance” on SOPA/PIPA last week, and I told them that I had the same stance as every other conscious being; that it’s Satanic. But I didn’t know what to do.
You can't quite just explain it as "the government is going to shut down Wikipedia and Youtube." That line of argument is most hyperbolic FUD designed to scare people into a "Oh, SOPA must be bad then" mentality. Any real argument has to be based on the inherent freedom of information and impartiality that build the Internet, and it's not a principle that everyone is aware of.
Here's my shot at explaining it, maybe you'll have an easier time next time you're asked:
Both pieces of legislation are attempts, heavily sponsored by the entertainment industry, to curb copyright infringement online by blocking websites that host or link to it. However, the bills utterly fail to prevent piracy, as they don't provide any mechanisms to actually take down the copyrighted material. Instead, upon a filed complaint (accusations do not need to include any proof, nor is there due process or ANY investigation), the authorities are instructed to take down the ENTIRE DOMAIN.
The current versions of these laws also require DNS providers to block the domains and search engines to block them. Both these previsions are under heavy attack, but are still in the bills.
There was a big amendment (the "manager's amendment") made to SOPA that clarified its scope as purely against poorly-defined "foreign" websites, leaving domestic companies in the purview of the horrifically abused DMCA, though it will be hard to suggest any website isn't affected by the bill.
My current example of the overreaching that these bills would provide: A driver is accused of speeding. Without any evidence to support the claim, the entire nation's highway system is closed and erased from every map.
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What a juicy baneling mine (:
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Need more baneling mines.
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On January 19 2012 10:56 Diamond wrote: Puma vs. Leenock is at 1-1! Match point is up! http://www.esvtv.com
Man for one second I thought Match Point was played. Disappointing
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Did a scan go down from Puma? He seemed to sniff that rush out with quickly getting the wall off up and the second bunker
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Nice 1a'ing that drop while you use your third Leenock lol, both players kinda fail this game.
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Leenock has way to good upgrades compared to Puma to lose.
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Wow awesome play be Leenock, I love watching that Zerg style!
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Brutal, Hive 3/3 adrenal glands before PuMa has 2-1.
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Dang, I wanted an all terran semifinals.
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I've never seen Puma win a long TvZ. He either does some kind of Hellion allin or 2 Rax and wins early, or loses.
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Wtf was StC doing that game? What did he kill in his own base? O.o
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Engineering bay i think O_o
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Hoping for Jjakji - Leenock rematch in the finals., that would be a cool storyline.
Edit: Ye, engi bay did go down.
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Wow Jjakji really messed that up.
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STC!!!! Hahaha Jjakji needs to brush up his TvT.
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You don't allin theSTC
theSTC allins you
silly jjakji
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Leenock vs STC would be a good finals.. Gogo Leenock!!
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Hard countered
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I used to never watch any ESV events just because of oversaturation but just peeking in I really enjoy these pose game summaries. It's helpful.
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Does orb realize he didn't have a single tech lab? It's over at that timing. Even if you have like 5 bunkers set up you won't have enough DPS to stop them from killing off every SCV and still being left over with a good amount of units.
Lol these mind games... You all in'd me so i should play saf-- cheese you.
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Been sick home from work and I gotta say couldn't have been a better time! First chance I've had to watch the ESVTV weekly live I was hoping for a Leenock/STC finals myself, enough TvT already even if the games have been sick. Thinking Leenock can probably 3-0 this, Supernova not looking as good as usual.
Edit: Well maybe not 3-0, but GJ Leenock!
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Nova didn't look good in any of the games Hopefully STC can do better. I'm still a bit apprehensive about his multitask though, he kept getting supply blocked and was banking cash way before maxing (at around 130+ supply).
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For those not watching Leenock is up 1-0 vs TheSTC in the finals! Come check it out!
http://www.esvtv.com
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Man Leenock making ultras look awesome, albeit somewhat sloppy at the same time. Sometimes ultra pathing reminds me a bit of dragoons lol
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what is this........ stc falling apart
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leenock winning against a proxy 2 rax with a 17 pool and kept his hatch alive.
:D
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I really want tacos for some reason.
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Man STC really wants to kill him here.
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I thought zerg was supposed to be the race that swarms their opponent with endless units?
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This series is nuts! Great hold on the proxy 2rax, epic play from both sides on Daybreak!
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Leenock with sick army control and micro :O
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orb is so zerg biased... good caster, but needs a terran co-caster so that the cast isn't so pro-zerg...
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On January 19 2012 14:42 LeaD wrote:
I thought zerg was supposed to be the race that swarms their opponent with endless units?
that was in sc1, mule and marine are the real swarm
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On January 19 2012 14:43 Daray wrote:
Leenock with sick army control and micro :O
i would have lost wayyyy earlier, leenock is so good.
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A medivac at 28 supply. What?!!?!? This is going to be awesome whatever it is.
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damn its true that STC multitasking is not the best, but that guy has so many differents openers, its crazy,,, epic builds
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On January 19 2012 14:43 kofman wrote:
orb is so zerg biased... good caster, but needs a terran co-caster so that the cast isn't so pro-zerg...
I wouldn't say that at all, right in that last game when STC was dropping Leenocks main he was saying that STC could go into the natural at the same time as dropping but unfortunately his multitasking doesn't seem quite at that level to micro 2 screens at the same time. That's just one small example too on a whole in general I wouldn't say he is zerg biased.
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On January 19 2012 14:54 Share_The_Land wrote:Show nested quote +On January 19 2012 14:43 kofman wrote:
orb is so zerg biased... good caster, but needs a terran co-caster so that the cast isn't so pro-zerg... I wouldn't say that at all, right in that last game when STC was dropping Leenocks main he was saying that STC could go into the natural at the same time as dropping but unfortunately his multitasking doesn't seem quite at that level to micro 2 screens at the same time. That's just one small example too on a whole in general I wouldn't say he is zerg biased.
i was thinking about the time after the game on daybreak where he kept on talking about how great leenock did defending, and how hard it is for zerg to defend, while not really saying anything about stc.
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orb missed the baneling land mines... -_-
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Thanks for tuning in all week everyone!
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Haha I remember that actually I was thinking that he was going off on Leenocks defense but sometimes I think casters do that too often, focus solely on what one player was doing because it looked better or won the battle, when what the other person did was still awesome just not quite as spectacular.
Ya those landmines kinda turned the tide there, the composition at the end with broods and ling\bane infestor was disgusting, just steamrolled completely. Even with more vikings that would have been a roflstomp.
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Do they play a 3rd place game?
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Stc got owned T_T
Only MVP can play macro terran.
ninjaedit: against leenock
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On January 19 2012 15:16 Techno wrote:
Stc got owned T_T
Only MVP can play macro terran.
what an utterly ridiculous statement
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stc is pretty good, but then again SO is leenock. i think he's definitely code s level if not just the lower tiers. he's definitely one of the craftiest terrans and this gives him a huge edge.
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On January 19 2012 15:12 Diamond wrote:
Thanks for tuning in all week everyone!
Thank you and rest of ESVTV for having us first chance I have gotten to watch it live all week and it was great fun
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Wow, TheSTC beat Jjakji? What happened
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Once again, i'll be re-commentating most of Day2 games in French today at 19h CET. Watch for "ESV TV FR" in the featured streams area !
I'll be doing final day tomorrow.
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orb is so top notch, adebisi is a great support for him too :D
♥♥♥ Huge fan.
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Are there any english casts without orb? He really makes this unbearable imo.
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Naama SCV-Train too strong :o
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2 port banshee? Strange build, curious about how this turns out.
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Oh Naama, you are a cunning devil.
This could still end hilariously badly for either player, however.
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This is a crazy strategy! Naama how did you make it work?
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Amazing 2-base play by Naama.
Genius builds.
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Wow, Naama crushed him. Absolutely crushed him. Sure Dream did not play very well, but that was an awesome build.
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Naama reminds me of this poker player I knew that would just go all-in (or make a huge bet) whenever he thought he had an advantage.
Scary thing was, he was usually right.
The guy has guts.
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A 7-1-2 off 2 base? Interesting...I wonder how effective this is over the long run...
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On February 01 2012 09:46 entropius wrote:
Naama reminds me of this poker player I knew that would just go all-in (or make a huge bet) whenever he thought he had an advantage.
Scary thing was, he was usually right.
The guy has guts.
I believe he said in an interview that he sees moments where he should outright kill a player if he just pulls his SCVs and attacks, hence the Naama SCV trains.
So yeah, that's exactly how Naama works. :D
I believe he also said that the ultimate mindgame is to go cloaked banshee 3 games in a row.
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On January 31 2012 14:53 Non0 wrote:
orb is so top notch, adebisi is a great support for him too :D
♥♥♥ Huge fan.
Second this. Orb is great
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Orb has been great since beta! I agree <3
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On February 01 2012 09:50 LunaSaint wrote:Show nested quote +On February 01 2012 09:46 entropius wrote:
Naama reminds me of this poker player I knew that would just go all-in (or make a huge bet) whenever he thought he had an advantage.
Scary thing was, he was usually right.
The guy has guts. I believe he said in an interview that he sees moments where he should outright kill a player if he just pulls his SCVs and attacks, hence the Naama SCV trains. So yeah, that's exactly how Naama works. :D I believe he also said that the ultimate mindgame is to go cloaked banshee 3 games in a row.
Having that reputation is a huge advantage in itself. If you're playing against a guy like that you have to constantly ask "will I die if he pulls everything and goes bitbybit on my ass?" It takes work to make the answer "no" all the time.
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I wonder if Dream had ever seen that particular strat that Naama used in the second game. It was pretty damn awesome. Probably the most one-sided victory I've ever seen a foreigner have over a Korean.
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i am really happy that they play this in good hours for the west, the view numbers are so much higher than 2 months ago !
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On February 01 2012 10:08 Devolved wrote:
I wonder if Dream had ever seen that particular strat that Naama used in the second game. It was pretty damn awesome. Probably the most one-sided victory I've ever seen a foreigner have over a Korean.
This is probably the child of Maka, Naama and HongUn's love for wierd-as hell builds. :D
Shuttle vs Symbol has been quite interesting, although it's gotten a bit stale now with Symbol trying to hold on but controlling poorly.
There was some interesting hold position micro with the ultras on the tanks though.
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WHY IS TAEJA SO GOOD AT KOREAN WEEKLY?!
like does somebody actually have an answer?
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