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On January 10 2012 22:22 cyclone25 wrote:Show nested quote +On January 10 2012 22:20 mTwTT1 wrote:On January 10 2012 22:13 MorroW wrote:
tt1 u see what i talked about at nasl? this is the stuff you should do :p cus zergs are so muta hungry these days, they dont expect p's to do newbie gate unit allins cus theyre so easy to hold so they dont get burrow and such these type of builds are so easy to defend if scouted, its up to the defender to react and counter it accordingly and i dont like to depend on wat my opponent is doing, i would rather control my own fayth Do you really think Leenock had time to get the burrow upgrade? lol ... Seriously tell us how Leenock could have defended that? He got roaches/crawlers as soon as he saw the all in and it wasn't even close ... Artosis also said that MC's all in won't work.
of course he did that was the metagame counter to a gate unit allin like 5-6 months ago
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On January 10 2012 22:20 Chenz wrote:Show nested quote +On January 10 2012 22:17 Kommander wrote:If today was the Group of Death, then what the hell do you call tomorrow's group? The Group of Armageddon?  The group of one really good player, two pretty good zergs and a third who doesn't really belong in Code S? I'd love to see Nestea or Idra move on to Ro16, but I doubt that will happen.
Nestea is a pretty good zerg? LOL, just because he's slumping doesn't mean he's just a "pretty good" zerg.
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I think a NA diamond player can pull off that exact same build in game 3. 2 base protoss pushes are just too strong against zerg. 2 base 7 gate is the new 4 gate. sigh.
lol, why do some people always think like this. It is saying that I made a great play playing basketball with my friends today so I could have done that against LeBron James as well... It might look like the same thing but I bet MC has more units, better position, better forcefields and better focus fire. Well, better everything....
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On January 10 2012 22:21 Yaki wrote:Show nested quote +On January 10 2012 22:20 Chenz wrote:On January 10 2012 22:17 Kommander wrote:If today was the Group of Death, then what the hell do you call tomorrow's group? The Group of Armageddon? The group of one really good player, two pretty good zergs and a third who doesn't really belong in Code S? I'd love to see Nestea or Idra move on to Ro16, but I doubt that will happen. You calling NesTea a "pretty good zerg" ? I love how people praise players when they do well and when they fall off a little bit they shit on them. NesTea is still one of the best players in the world.
I totally agree.NesTea didnt lose his mechanics all at once for god's sake..1 bad month or 2( bad for nestea would be dominance for ur average sc2 pro btw).I am eagerly waiting for NesTea's games as always!Will be working tommorow and this is the first time i am bying a season ticket..Tommorow is just too great of a day to lose it if u love sc2
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On January 10 2012 22:17 AnTiX wrote:Show nested quote +On January 10 2012 10:09 SkullZ9 wrote:On January 10 2012 09:39 AnTiX wrote:![[image loading]](http://i.imgur.com/7gVpE.png) If you seriously boycott the GSL for the Naniwa incident, you're an idiot cause he has himself admitted his fault and decided to not participate in this season by choice... So for the record, I am not a Hardcore Naniwa fan. I respect him that's all. I am not boycotting the all season of GSL just the first one. I am currently aware that Naniwa admitted his fault. I find myself his comportment childish but comprehensible. GSL could have punish him financially, because he embarrassed them on TV and show a lack of respect. But their decision to punish him in a sport manner is just wrong. By doing that I see a message "Hey we do what we want. This is our tournament, so behave yourself". I can't approve that. This is not their tournament, this is our. Like Naniwa, GomTV owe us some respect. With their arbitrarily decision to revoke code S spot to Naniwa, without him breaking any rules, they disrespect the sport. We don't watch GSL because it's GSL. We watch GSL, because it's a sport competition with the best player. With their decision, they compromise the competition. I can't approve that. By boycotting the first GSL of 2012 (and I hope I am not the only one), I remind GomTV they have to behave themselves. They have to respect the competition, it's not their tournament, it's our.
Is this satirical? It is almost too ridiculous to believe.
The tournament belongs to Gom, not you.
They did not revoke Naniwa's GSL spot, because Naniwa never had a GSL spot to begin with.
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On January 10 2012 22:20 mTwTT1 wrote:Show nested quote +On January 10 2012 22:13 MorroW wrote:
tt1 u see what i talked about at nasl? this is the stuff you should do :p cus zergs are so muta hungry these days, they dont expect p's to do newbie gate unit allins cus theyre so easy to hold so they dont get burrow and such these type of builds are so easy to defend if scouted, its up to the defender to react and counter it accordingly and i dont like to depend on wat my opponent is doing, i would rather control my own fayth
It really depends.Zerg is a reactive race and if they scout they should be able to react according.But if they cant scout the all-in or timing,they are basically fucked if the P decently executed the 7 gate all-in or variation of it.
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On January 10 2012 22:20 mTwTT1 wrote:Show nested quote +On January 10 2012 22:13 MorroW wrote:
tt1 u see what i talked about at nasl? this is the stuff you should do :p cus zergs are so muta hungry these days, they dont expect p's to do newbie gate unit allins cus theyre so easy to hold so they dont get burrow and such these type of builds are so easy to defend if scouted, its up to the defender to react and counter it accordingly and i dont like to depend on wat my opponent is doing, i would rather control my own fayth
Then you should not play P ;P
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I thought todays games were slightly underwhelming given the stacked lineup. the TvZ's were great but Supernova vs MC, ForGG vs MC and Leenock vs MC were quite poor series.
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On January 10 2012 22:23 Dfgj wrote:Show nested quote +On January 10 2012 22:22 cyclone25 wrote:On January 10 2012 22:20 mTwTT1 wrote:On January 10 2012 22:13 MorroW wrote:
tt1 u see what i talked about at nasl? this is the stuff you should do :p cus zergs are so muta hungry these days, they dont expect p's to do newbie gate unit allins cus theyre so easy to hold so they dont get burrow and such these type of builds are so easy to defend if scouted, its up to the defender to react and counter it accordingly and i dont like to depend on wat my opponent is doing, i would rather control my own fayth Do you really think Leenock had time to get the burrow upgrade? lol ... Seriously tell us how Leenock could have defended that? He got roaches/crawlers as soon as he saw the all in and it wasn't even close ... Artosis also said that MC's all in won't work. There's his problem. If attacks can be held entirely reactively then playing aggressive has no purpose.
But attacks CAN be held entirely reactively, just not by Zerg
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On January 10 2012 22:22 Seeker wrote:Show nested quote +On January 10 2012 22:18 Fionn wrote:On January 10 2012 22:17 AnTiX wrote:On January 10 2012 10:09 SkullZ9 wrote:On January 10 2012 09:39 AnTiX wrote: If you seriously boycott the GSL for the Naniwa incident, you're an idiot cause he has himself admitted his fault and decided to not participate in this season by choice... So for the record, I am not a Hardcore Naniwa fan. I respect him that's all. I am not boycotting the all season of GSL just the first one. I am currently aware that Naniwa admitted his fault. I find myself his comportment childish but comprehensible. GSL could have punish him financially, because he embarrassed them on TV and show a lack of respect. But their decision to punish him in a sport manner is just wrong. By doing that I see a message "Hey we do what we want. This is our tournament, so behave yourself". I can't approve that. This is not their tournament, this is our. Like Naniwa, GomTV owe us some respect. With their arbitrarily decision to revoke code S spot to Naniwa, without him breaking any rules, they disrespect the sport. We don't watch GSL because it's GSL. We watch GSL, because it's a sport competition with the best player. With their decision, they compromise the competition. I can't approve that. By boycotting the first GSL of 2012 (and I hope I am not the only one), I remind GomTV they have to behave themselves. They have to respect the competition, it's not their tournament, it's our. No, it's their tournament. Agreed with Fionn. How in the world is it our tournament? They allow us to watch LIVE for free. They provide excellent casters/music/production/quality (circumstantial but still damn good) You're arguing something that's completely opinion based. Fact is, GOM owns the rights to do what they want and we should just..... ACCEPT.... that.... please, do not bring this shit back up in my threads
lol, for some reason I just had an image of you running out of your house with a huge beard and a shotgun yelling:
"Get awt o' mah house!"
I don't why. It just came to me.
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On January 10 2012 22:25 foxmeep wrote:Show nested quote +On January 10 2012 22:23 Dfgj wrote:On January 10 2012 22:22 cyclone25 wrote:On January 10 2012 22:20 mTwTT1 wrote:On January 10 2012 22:13 MorroW wrote:
tt1 u see what i talked about at nasl? this is the stuff you should do :p cus zergs are so muta hungry these days, they dont expect p's to do newbie gate unit allins cus theyre so easy to hold so they dont get burrow and such these type of builds are so easy to defend if scouted, its up to the defender to react and counter it accordingly and i dont like to depend on wat my opponent is doing, i would rather control my own fayth Do you really think Leenock had time to get the burrow upgrade? lol ... Seriously tell us how Leenock could have defended that? He got roaches/crawlers as soon as he saw the all in and it wasn't even close ... Artosis also said that MC's all in won't work. There's his problem. If attacks can be held entirely reactively then playing aggressive has no purpose. But attacks CAN be held entirely reactively, just not by Zerg
I sure wish that was true when 12 mutas appear in my mineral line :<
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On January 10 2012 22:22 Tulkas25 wrote:
anyone as scared as i am for IMVP's TvZ for tommorow?? I mean one of the best Tvzers already in the world having to practice this single matchup for his group?Considering that the other players have to focus heavily on zvz which is already a bit random no matter how much u practice.Sorry if this is a bit off topic but it just struck me.
Scared? IMMvp's TvZ is so solid that he will still own even without practising a whole week for it. Completely confident that Mvp will come first in the group, given that he had 3 weeks to practise against Zergs.
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On January 10 2012 22:21 Biane wrote:Show nested quote +On January 10 2012 22:20 Ryncol wrote:On January 10 2012 22:19 bigbeau wrote:On January 10 2012 22:17 AnTiX wrote:On January 10 2012 10:09 SkullZ9 wrote:On January 10 2012 09:39 AnTiX wrote: If you seriously boycott the GSL for the Naniwa incident, you're an idiot cause he has himself admitted his fault and decided to not participate in this season by choice... So for the record, I am not a Hardcore Naniwa fan. I respect him that's all. I am not boycotting the all season of GSL just the first one. I am currently aware that Naniwa admitted his fault. I find myself his comportment childish but comprehensible. GSL could have punish him financially, because he embarrassed them on TV and show a lack of respect. But their decision to punish him in a sport manner is just wrong. By doing that I see a message "Hey we do what we want. This is our tournament, so behave yourself". I can't approve that. This is not their tournament, this is our. Like Naniwa, GomTV owe us some respect. With their arbitrarily decision to revoke code S spot to Naniwa, without him breaking any rules, they disrespect the sport. We don't watch GSL because it's GSL. We watch GSL, because it's a sport competition with the best player. With their decision, they compromise the competition. I can't approve that. By boycotting the first GSL of 2012 (and I hope I am not the only one), I remind GomTV they have to behave themselves. They have to respect the competition, it's not their tournament, it's our. Yep. I am too, and for the same reason. I can't support a league that arbitrarily bans players for not even breaking an actual rule. Naniwa wasn't banned, he could've qualified through Code A if he wanted to. We don't need any more of these discussions but people saying that Naniwa was 'banned' just shows how ignorant of the whole situation they are.
I didn't mean banned like kicked out, but if you believe that they didn't rob him of his EARNED code S seed just because they fed some bullshit about how they hadn't chosen the seeds and the way they were going to give code S seeds magically changed for 2012 when MLG didnt even know about it yet... then idk what to tell you besides read between the lines. Also keeping up with the results doesn't support them so idc
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that feels so good.. where is hotbid now? where is the elephant in the room now? just shut up from now on, will you? thanks 
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On January 10 2012 22:23 iamke55 wrote:Show nested quote +On January 10 2012 22:22 cyclone25 wrote:On January 10 2012 22:20 mTwTT1 wrote:On January 10 2012 22:13 MorroW wrote:
tt1 u see what i talked about at nasl? this is the stuff you should do :p cus zergs are so muta hungry these days, they dont expect p's to do newbie gate unit allins cus theyre so easy to hold so they dont get burrow and such these type of builds are so easy to defend if scouted, its up to the defender to react and counter it accordingly and i dont like to depend on wat my opponent is doing, i would rather control my own fayth Do you really think Leenock had time to get the burrow upgrade? lol ... Seriously tell us how Leenock could have defended that? He got roaches/crawlers as soon as he saw the all in and it wasn't even close ... Artosis also said that MC's all in won't work. He can start by not getting useless spore crawlers?
I didn't saw the spore crawlers, but if he got them it was probably a good decision too.
Leenock only saw zealots, where was the gas going? Could be void rays or DT's.
I don't think 2-3 spore crawlers lost him the game.
That fight wasn't close.
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On January 10 2012 22:23 iamke55 wrote:Show nested quote +On January 10 2012 22:22 cyclone25 wrote:On January 10 2012 22:20 mTwTT1 wrote:On January 10 2012 22:13 MorroW wrote:
tt1 u see what i talked about at nasl? this is the stuff you should do :p cus zergs are so muta hungry these days, they dont expect p's to do newbie gate unit allins cus theyre so easy to hold so they dont get burrow and such these type of builds are so easy to defend if scouted, its up to the defender to react and counter it accordingly and i dont like to depend on wat my opponent is doing, i would rather control my own fayth Do you really think Leenock had time to get the burrow upgrade? lol ... Seriously tell us how Leenock could have defended that? He got roaches/crawlers as soon as he saw the all in and it wasn't even close ... Artosis also said that MC's all in won't work. He can start by not getting useless spore crawlers?
Better unit control would have helped too. He also got an overseer.
So he guessed dts and lost.
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On January 10 2012 22:23 Goibon wrote:Show nested quote +On January 10 2012 22:21 mutantmagnet wrote:
This is the GSL where everyone is eating crow at some level. Supernova crushing face was unexpected. Happy that MC is solidly in code S with some stellar performances. I'm sad that neither ForGG or Leenock advanced. I had to look up eating crow. Surprised i've never heard that expression before o.O Thing about this group was for me it was super super hard to pick. I wanted to pick Nova and Leenock, but went with MC and Leenock. It truly was a group of death. The lack of Nova support was somewhat surprising... but with Fin, MC, and Leenock in the same group? Not that surprising. Funny though :D
Yeah to be fair, if Supernova was in almost any other group I might have considered him. But with bosstoss, runner up/MLG and 6-0 to Code S vs 'ok' WCG run and failed GSL November on form alone everyone else was a better choice.
Very happy Supernova advanced. Now I actually hope he makes at least Ro8, though I wouldnt mind seeing him do better (finals).
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On January 10 2012 22:24 Seraphone wrote:
I thought todays games were slightly underwhelming given the stacked lineup. the TvZ's were great but Supernova vs MC, ForGG vs MC and Leenock vs MC were quite poor series.
it's what happens when MC is playing. Very prone to all inning and short games.
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On January 10 2012 22:23 Ciel wrote:Show nested quote +On January 10 2012 22:20 Hassybaby wrote:On January 10 2012 22:17 AnTiX wrote:On January 10 2012 10:09 SkullZ9 wrote:On January 10 2012 09:39 AnTiX wrote: If you seriously boycott the GSL for the Naniwa incident, you're an idiot cause he has himself admitted his fault and decided to not participate in this season by choice... So for the record, I am not a Hardcore Naniwa fan. I respect him that's all. I am not boycotting the all season of GSL just the first one. I am currently aware that Naniwa admitted his fault. I find myself his comportment childish but comprehensible. GSL could have punish him financially, because he embarrassed them on TV and show a lack of respect. But their decision to punish him in a sport manner is just wrong. By doing that I see a message "Hey we do what we want. This is our tournament, so behave yourself". I can't approve that. This is not their tournament, this is our. Like Naniwa, GomTV owe us some respect. With their arbitrarily decision to revoke code S spot to Naniwa, without him breaking any rules, they disrespect the sport. We don't watch GSL because it's GSL. We watch GSL, because it's a sport competition with the best player. With their decision, they compromise the competition. I can't approve that. By boycotting the first GSL of 2012 (and I hope I am not the only one), I remind GomTV they have to behave themselves. They have to respect the competition, it's not their tournament, it's our. Preeeeetty sure its their tournament, not ours Nvm, he's from France - I heard they like to protest about anything and everything there..
Yeah, and we don't take shower, because we are dirty.
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