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Telcontar
Profile Joined May 2010
United Kingdom16710 Posts
January 15 2012 15:56 GMT
#2061
MLTree. Jamaica's Major League 3.
Et Eärello Endorenna utúlien. Sinome maruvan ar Hildinyar tenn' Ambar-metta.
b0rt_
Profile Joined October 2011
Norway931 Posts
January 15 2012 15:56 GMT
#2062
pfft if they aren't whining about balance they're whining about TB. Take your balance whines out of a tournament thread.
Pipeline
Profile Joined August 2010
Sweden1673 Posts
January 15 2012 15:56 GMT
#2063
On January 16 2012 00:55 Bashion wrote:
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On January 16 2012 00:53 DaCruise wrote:
I think mods need to come in here and clean up a little bit. Some retarded comments flowing around.


I agree.


Use the report function, that is why it's there!
Mawi
Profile Joined August 2010
Sweden4365 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-01-15 15:58:20
January 15 2012 15:56 GMT
#2064
Man I wish i could be a mod and ban every balance whiners this thread hurts my brain considering i read every reply in every LR threads
Forever Mirin Zyzz Son of Zeus Brother of Hercules Father of the Aesthetics
DOUDOU
Profile Joined October 2011
Wales2940 Posts
January 15 2012 15:57 GMT
#2065
please thorzain takes this so we can have a ZvT bo7 (where you will be crushed)
Feast | Grubby | Mvp | Polt | Fantasy | Last | MMA | forGG | Leenock | Soberphano | Scarlett cutiepie
Sated
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
England4983 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-01-15 15:57:52
January 15 2012 15:57 GMT
#2066
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SeaSwift
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
Scotland4486 Posts
January 15 2012 15:57 GMT
#2067
On January 16 2012 00:56 Pipeline wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 16 2012 00:55 Bashion wrote:
On January 16 2012 00:53 DaCruise wrote:
I think mods need to come in here and clean up a little bit. Some retarded comments flowing around.


I agree.


Use the report function, that is why it's there!


You only have it if you have been on TL for a year or more.
HappyChris
Profile Joined October 2011
1534 Posts
January 15 2012 15:57 GMT
#2068
On January 16 2012 00:53 wklbishop wrote:
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On January 16 2012 00:48 WArped wrote:
On January 16 2012 00:46 HappyChris wrote:
On January 16 2012 00:45 SeaSwift wrote:
On January 16 2012 00:42 phyren wrote:
stephano makes me a sad zealot...


He makes most European Protosses sad Zealots. He gets roflstomped by top Korean Protosses though.


rolfstomped? who MC? thats one. And as soon stephano learn that MC never builds 3rd base he will deal with it

You should watch Stephano stream from Korea and see the top korean protoss he slaughtered tbh.


I would say Steph's strongest MU is ZvP, I don't think I've seen him lose a ZvP series while he has laddered.


I remember Stephano got stomped by Squirtle repeteadly. It was weird because even his fanclub was saying how well Squirtle played.

EDIT: Also, one thing I want to note is that he repeatedly stomp Sage at first, but... it almost looked like Sage was getting better due to their games against each other and towards the end, they were pretty even in matches if you exclude the time before the Blizzard Cup.

I've been watching the replays of those games to see what I can figure out sometimes; it feels weird watching them because Squirtled played WAY better than he normally does in the GSL...


Yes Squirtle had Stephanos number. Stephano just coulnt beat Squirtle. But sage nahh
WaldosLonelyWife
Profile Joined December 2011
United States20 Posts
January 15 2012 15:57 GMT
#2069
Someone remind me why a player who is in silver league with no StarCraft history is casting these games? Find another caster and make TB a dedicated observer.

User was warned for this post
Satisfaction comes in small victories.
foxmeep
Profile Joined July 2009
Australia2337 Posts
January 15 2012 15:58 GMT
#2070
For those that say split BLs and you win... split mass voidrays + storm + colo and you rape infestor/bl. True story.
msjakofsky
Profile Joined June 2011
1169 Posts
January 15 2012 15:58 GMT
#2071
On January 16 2012 00:55 Agathon wrote:
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On January 16 2012 00:46 supdubdup wrote:
How does a protoss deal with 15 infestors, a billion broodlords, and corruptors >< It's so strong.


He avoids to put himself in that kind of situation. Easier to say than to do, but it's the solution. Remember HSC4, how many times MC did go in late game vs zerg? Never.


and what happens if the zerg defends perfectly?

this argument you use is flawed cuz every strategy needs an anti-strategy, rushes and allins have anti-strategy so if a lategame comp got no anti strategy the rusher will be in a disadvantage, even if he manages to win with it some times.
Tulkas25
Profile Joined August 2011
Greece292 Posts
January 15 2012 15:58 GMT
#2072
For me its just one of those series that you see the 3-0 and if u havent watched u will surely get the feel that grubby got absolutely destroyed.I really think grubby could really take the shakuras game and in general i was not dissapointed by his game.Something tells me that if grubby keeps training he will become an amazing sc2 player considering the progress he has already achieved and how awful he was when he started playing.Stephano on the other hand plays a very nice pvz style(metalopolis is kinda proving a bit too good for late game zerg vs protoss cause broodlords deny the gold base and their immobility is not such a problem cause they can hover around the center and cover both attack paths.My thoughts on this are that the protoss player can take the gold as a third early on pre-hive and mine out as quickly as possible and take his normal third later.
What happens when an unstoppable force meets an immovable object?
SaoPaulo
Profile Joined December 2011
Brazil62 Posts
January 15 2012 15:58 GMT
#2073
On January 16 2012 00:57 WaldosLonelyWife wrote:
Someone remind me why a player who is in silver league with no StarCraft history is casting these games? Find another caster and make TB a dedicated observer.

Agreed

User was warned for this post
betaman
Profile Joined September 2011
United Kingdom355 Posts
January 15 2012 15:58 GMT
#2074
Grubby had a big supply lead midgame when a zerg player needs a supply lead to be on an equal basis midgame against protoss but he sat back and did very little. Grubby threw the game away by not pressuring Stephano and letting him drone.
Sated
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
England4983 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-01-15 15:59:39
January 15 2012 15:59 GMT
#2075
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SeaSwift
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
Scotland4486 Posts
January 15 2012 15:59 GMT
#2076
On January 16 2012 00:57 Sated wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 16 2012 00:55 Agathon wrote:
On January 16 2012 00:46 supdubdup wrote:
How does a protoss deal with 15 infestors, a billion broodlords, and corruptors >< It's so strong.


He avoids to put himself in that kind of situation. Easier to say than to do, but it's the solution. Remember HSC4, how many times MC did go in late game vs zerg? Never.

So what you're saying is that Protoss players aren't playing against their opponent in PvZ, but are in fact playing against an imaginary clock that means they lose once time runs out?

That's not how a game should be balanced.


Bear in mind that there are a number of situations in which the only way to win is to just go kill your opponent in a certain time window. For an extreme example, imagine that I as Protoss make 3 expansions before my first Stalker.

If you can kill me in that timing window, you should, and that's fine from a game design point of view.
msjakofsky
Profile Joined June 2011
1169 Posts
January 15 2012 16:00 GMT
#2077
On January 16 2012 00:56 Zane wrote:
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On January 16 2012 00:50 TotalBiscuit wrote:
The balance whining isn't so great.

Wait until Ret lets T-Zain get his ghost composition.


i don't think it'll work even if master jane's macro is great if he plays as passively as vs darkforce he plays right into ret's main strength.. but i'm rooting for him
Leetley
Profile Joined October 2010
1796 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-01-15 16:01:03
January 15 2012 16:00 GMT
#2078
On January 16 2012 00:57 SeaSwift wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 16 2012 00:56 Pipeline wrote:
On January 16 2012 00:55 Bashion wrote:
On January 16 2012 00:53 DaCruise wrote:
I think mods need to come in here and clean up a little bit. Some retarded comments flowing around.


I agree.


Use the report function, that is why it's there!


You only have it if you have been on TL for a year or more.

No mod likes false reports either. I bet the report system was for everyone when it was introduced, but the amount of false reports made cleaning for the mods pretty hard I must believe. Don't worry, the message will be sent.
-y0shi-
Profile Joined July 2011
Germany994 Posts
January 15 2012 16:00 GMT
#2079
Even if grubby couldve killed him mid game, he decided to tech up and get a "ultimate" army with 333 carriers. Shouldnt he still be able to at least put up a fight with that? Or is toss expected to kill zerg before theyre maxed on this or just scoop?
HappyChris
Profile Joined October 2011
1534 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-01-15 16:00:45
January 15 2012 16:00 GMT
#2080
On January 16 2012 00:58 SaoPaulo wrote:
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On January 16 2012 00:57 WaldosLonelyWife wrote:
Someone remind me why a player who is in silver league with no StarCraft history is casting these games? Find another caster and make TB a dedicated observer.

Agreed


Then stop watching if you dont like TB. seriously some of you nerds are jerks. TB do so much for these players. Host this amasing tournament so the players can make some money and some of you just have to bash TB like allways. Sad little people.

Solution dont fuckign watch it then.
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