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On December 23 2011 09:56 Beardedclam wrote:Show nested quote +On December 23 2011 09:53 ArtisaBang wrote:On December 23 2011 09:50 Beardedclam wrote:On December 23 2011 09:46 shaippen wrote:On December 23 2011 09:42 Beardedclam wrote:On December 23 2011 09:41 Dexington wrote:
LOL wtf kind of attack was that? Latency from KR to NA is way way more than EU to NA. People can argue all they want about latency and things but look at the results for TSL lol. Almost all the Korean got knocked out the first round. You can't measure lag with results lol someone should test it, get some numbers on how much lag it is between servers. gratz to mouz, wp It's been talked about a lot just search threads. There is much more latency from KR to NA than there is EU to NA. Do you really think Latency didn't play a role in TSL? All the Koreans just got knocked out the first round because they got outplayed? MVP can take out most foreign teams with latency but when they play a team as strong as mouz latency has a big effect. These games were also played 7 hours ago I wonder if Genius was just getting back from GSL lol. PuMa playing from Korea. Thats why EG send PuMa for every ace and PuMa almost won all ace matches in team leagues,right? also mouzTosh was MaNa's NA server account. ???? What does Puma and EG have to do with this? Also, I know Mana played on NA... That's why I said EU to NA latency. I an not really sure where you are going with this.
They didn't even use Genius or Keen. Also, I think they are playing on EU server. MVP is playing with latency.
Yea they are on NA. ^.^
oh well,you edited this one.
sorry about last post.
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Well would you look at that.. A foriegn team beat a korean team.
Suprized? No. Ready for the incoming excuses? Yes.
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How have you not seen that gif?!
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On December 23 2011 09:59 Jisall wrote:
Well would you look at that.. A foriegn team beat a korean team.
Suprized? No. Ready for the incoming excuses? Yes.
Did you watch DRG play? If someone told me he took a fire extinguisher to the head right before he played and then took like 10 sleeping pills I'd believe them.
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You can't blame the for sending out players to get practice in important games. This guy surely has been doing well in practice, the team manager will never say *yeah well he has only 45% win chance against zerg in GSL so i wont send him* because what a player is capable of achieving in practice is much more important. They WANT to win, but you have to see they have a Bo9 buffer (which btw is pretty stupid imho, especially when mouz is a 6player team who has to win 2 Bo9's...) and it's also a good way to inspire confidence in the player.
Come on, let him play! 
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lol oops for spoilers if you haven't watched today's GSL matches >.>
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Who says, that they don´t take the tourney seriously? People need to remember, that mouz needs to win two Bo9 matches. So why not give unknown players the chance to prove themselves against top foreigners and gain some some exposure? IM can still wield their top guns when it really matters.
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On December 23 2011 10:00 Itsmedudeman wrote:Show nested quote +On December 23 2011 09:59 Jisall wrote:
Well would you look at that.. A foriegn team beat a korean team.
Suprized? No. Ready for the incoming excuses? Yes. Did you watch DRG play? If someone told me he took a fire extinguisher to the head right before he played and then took like 10 sleeping pills I'd believe them.
Quotes by John Wooden:
1. Don't Whine
2. Don't Complain
3. Don't make Excuses
You just violated all three. Accept your loss like a man.
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Not sure why MVP didn't pull out players like Keen or Genius. Noblesse, Finale, and Monster aren't exactly their top players...
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On December 23 2011 10:01 schaf wrote:You can't blame the for sending out players to get practice in important games. This guy surely has been doing well in practice, the team manager will never say *yeah well he has only 45% win chance against zerg in GSL so i wont send him* because what a player is capable of achieving in practice is much more important. They WANT to win, but you have to see they have a Bo9 buffer (which btw is pretty stupid imho, especially when mouz is a 6player team who has to win 2 Bo9's...) and it's also a good way to inspire confidence in the player. Come on, let him play!
He's not a Korean, most NA players have opportunities to prove themselves.
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Well, considering they stomped mouz 5-2 with yoda and some guy whose name I can't even remember and they have 2 bo5s to work with they're probably taking this lightly. BUT WHY do this in the GRAND finals
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On December 23 2011 10:01 schaf wrote:You can't blame the for sending out players to get practice in important games. This guy surely has been doing well in practice, the team manager will never say *yeah well he has only 45% win chance against zerg in GSL so i wont send him* because what a player is capable of achieving in practice is much more important. They WANT to win, but you have to see they have a Bo9 buffer (which btw is pretty stupid imho, especially when mouz is a 6player team who has to win 2 Bo9's...) and it's also a good way to inspire confidence in the player. Come on, let him play!
Mouz is a 6 player team but one of their players is not really a progamer, he is only 15, so all players play the BO9
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it's nearly impossible for mouz now. they have to play throughout the night and win 10 games vs a bunch of elite koreans. it's 2 am CET now. so, I don't have much faith, not because of the player strength (MOUZ FIGHTIIIING), but the conditions are too tough to overcome. I hope I'm wrong, though
e: and marine has to sleep now  so the whole team has to play (and stay up)
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thats what u get for not sending out keen. U LOSE
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On December 23 2011 09:57 wklbishop wrote:Show nested quote +On December 23 2011 09:55 Telcontar wrote:On December 23 2011 09:51 wklbishop wrote:COngratulations Mana and Mouz! On December 23 2011 09:46 Telcontar wrote:DRG must've been jet lagged right? I hear the teamhouse is 9 time zones away from the toilet he was using. Tough break. Congrats Mouz. Good luck against QIM. You're going to need it. You realize there are more excuses than jetlag such as lag and the weird hours (not sure entirely about this though) for the Korean players. I don't want to take anything away from Mouz because they played amazing, but your statement is really a offensive strawman's argument because it attacks something the other side wouldn't say and if they did say something it would be for the aforementioned which is true. lololol Looks like that joke just went flying past your head. LOLs. I'll bite, what's the joke? And I apologize in advance then. xD
From many months back, every time a non-korean player beat a korean, people started using jet lag as the main excuse. It was so annoyingly prevalent that people started using it jokingly even when both players travelled the same distance or the korean player was already in the country for a good while. I guess you missed that period.
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On December 23 2011 09:59 ArtisaBang wrote:Show nested quote +On December 23 2011 09:56 Beardedclam wrote:On December 23 2011 09:53 ArtisaBang wrote:On December 23 2011 09:50 Beardedclam wrote:On December 23 2011 09:46 shaippen wrote:On December 23 2011 09:42 Beardedclam wrote:On December 23 2011 09:41 Dexington wrote:
LOL wtf kind of attack was that? Latency from KR to NA is way way more than EU to NA. People can argue all they want about latency and things but look at the results for TSL lol. Almost all the Korean got knocked out the first round. You can't measure lag with results lol someone should test it, get some numbers on how much lag it is between servers. gratz to mouz, wp It's been talked about a lot just search threads. There is much more latency from KR to NA than there is EU to NA. Do you really think Latency didn't play a role in TSL? All the Koreans just got knocked out the first round because they got outplayed? MVP can take out most foreign teams with latency but when they play a team as strong as mouz latency has a big effect. These games were also played 7 hours ago I wonder if Genius was just getting back from GSL lol. PuMa playing from Korea. Thats why EG send PuMa for every ace and PuMa almost won all ace matches in team leagues,right? also mouzTosh was MaNa's NA server account. ???? What does Puma and EG have to do with this? Also, I know Mana played on NA... That's why I said EU to NA latency. I an not really sure where you are going with this. Show nested quote +They didn't even use Genius or Keen. Also, I think they are playing on EU server. MVP is playing with latency.
Yea they are on NA. ^.^ oh well,you edited this one. sorry about last post.
npnp
I am not trying to downplay mouz because I think they defiantly one of the strongest foreign teams. It would just be nice if blizzard could fix the latency issues and it's pretty ridiculous that they haven't already.
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On December 23 2011 10:04 Jayjay54 wrote:
it's nearly impossible for mouz now. they have to play throughout the night and win 10 games vs a bunch of elite koreans. it's 2 am CET now. so, I don't have much faith, not because of the player strength (MOUZ FIGHTIIIING), but the conditions are too tough to overcome. I hope I'm wrong, though
I don't know if Mouz can do it, but you're wrong about the conditions. The match is over right now, and the replays are casted, so mouz had a good schedule
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On December 23 2011 10:02 Jisall wrote:Show nested quote +On December 23 2011 10:00 Itsmedudeman wrote:On December 23 2011 09:59 Jisall wrote:
Well would you look at that.. A foriegn team beat a korean team.
Suprized? No. Ready for the incoming excuses? Yes. Did you watch DRG play? If someone told me he took a fire extinguisher to the head right before he played and then took like 10 sleeping pills I'd believe them. Quotes by John Wooden: 1. Don't Whine 2. Don't Complain 3. Don't make Excuses You just violated all three. Accept your loss like a man.
Hah. I acknowledge that Mouz certainly earned that win and played very well, but any logical person can't deny that MVP didn't send out the best lineup possible, nor can a logical person deny that DRG played pretty badly relative to the standard he usually sets for himself. I'd rather analyze things carefully and consider all factors objectively rather than close my ears and chant "No whining, no excuses, nah nah nah". Mouz deserved the win for sure, especially with some amazing play from Thorzain, but MVP definitely didn't send out their best lineup, and DRG's weak performance was an exception, not a norm.
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Did anyone know what the announcer says after a game? I mean the korean (?) speak :|
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