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Logros
Profile Joined September 2010
Netherlands9913 Posts
December 20 2011 11:11 GMT
#1641
Ahaha I forgot this is Ryung TvP-ing. He is good TvT but all he does is 1-1-1's and other cheese in TvP.
Zanno
Profile Blog Joined February 2007
United States1484 Posts
December 20 2011 11:11 GMT
#1642
On December 20 2011 20:09 Scila wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 20 2011 20:07 Zanno wrote:
On December 20 2011 20:05 Andr3 wrote:
I know this is SC2 but:
http://wiki.teamliquid.net/starcraft/Ee_Han_Timing
http://wiki.teamliquid.net/starcraft/All-in

yeah i am actually sick of the constant crying about all-ins on teamliquid

what do the korean broadcasters do when a player goes all in?

they go OHHHHHHHHHHHH

if everyone played a passive macro game every single game, the game would be as exciting to watch as golf


Not necessarily, BW was 90% macro games and they were very, very fun to watch. It was a slow process of small harass, unit engagements and little tricks occurring all over huge maps that would slowly allow one player to get ahead, and there was much bigger potential for comebacks.

i know how brood war works, thanks

that doesn't change the fact that korean commentators appreciate a move that shows balls of steel, i don't understand why foreigners don't

but i'm a huge july fan so maybe i'm just insane
aaaaa
TT1
Profile Blog Joined December 2008
Canada10021 Posts
December 20 2011 11:11 GMT
#1643
On December 20 2011 20:08 Telcontar wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 20 2011 20:04 CosmicSpiral wrote:
On December 20 2011 20:03 TT1 wrote:
On December 20 2011 19:54 rushian wrote:
On December 20 2011 19:49 TT1 wrote:
On December 20 2011 19:43 MrCon wrote:
Double stargate is good, good build by Tassadar, especially the 2nd stargate after the single one was scouted.


its an allinish build because if u dont do any damage then ur pretty much fucked afterwards cus u cant tech into anything which makes taking your 3rd/harassing the z very hard so you cant prevent them from droning up T_T

his build was allinish but his execution was good, his execution showed me that he wouldnt have a problem playing in a macro game

but isn't there a range of damage that can be done? from killing overlords/forcing spores to killing drones, queens and even killing a hatch.. At what point is Tassadar ahead / safe-ish to take a third?


thats hard to say because if its very situational, if your playing vs a solid zerg then killing queens/forcing 3-4 spores per base isnt enought to justify the 2 stargates, u have to kill a base or catch the z off guard so u can kill alot of drones and force ALOT of spores on a base just so u can justify the tech, its a luck based build thats why im not too fond of it.. that being said u should always have these type of builds in ur arsenal because theyre needed if ur playing someone in a long series, i dont agree with using this type of build in a bo1 tho


Well, what build should he have used? Dual Sight is not exactly Protoss-friendly.

TT1 would've have used a 2 base heavy play just like most other protoss in the world (like Hero, MC, JYP, Sage....etc). That map is virtually impossible to take a quick 3rd on unless you cannoned his natural or something. I really don't see why he's complaining.


im not complaining im just trying to tell u guys that morrow didnt get outplayed that game lol, i even defended tassadar when a poster flamed him for being cheesy
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Shellshock
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States97276 Posts
December 20 2011 11:11 GMT
#1644
On December 20 2011 20:11 Logros wrote:
Ahaha I forgot this is Ryung TvP-ing. He is good TvT but all he does is 1-1-1's and other cheese in TvP.

slayers tvp ftw
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Pajegetc
Profile Joined February 2011
United States3158 Posts
December 20 2011 11:12 GMT
#1645
On December 20 2011 20:09 andaylin wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 20 2011 20:07 Shellshock1122 wrote:
On December 20 2011 20:07 Fragile51 wrote:
On December 20 2011 20:05 andaylin wrote:
On December 20 2011 20:04 Shellshock1122 wrote:
On December 20 2011 20:03 andaylin wrote:
On December 20 2011 20:02 Shellshock1122 wrote:
On December 20 2011 20:02 Tantaburs wrote:
was it GuMiHo or GuineaPig that first used the VR Collo deathball vs zerg?

guineapig

IMYounghwa, GSTL

when did younghwa do it? guineapig did it in open season 3 i believe

some game on Crevasse i think. might have been IMSeed though, not sure.


Pretty sure Hongun and Guineapig first used the FFE into double stargate build, not sure about the VR collo deathball though, may very well have been Yongwha.

I am 99% sure Guineapig was the first to do it in the GSL vs Junwi in open season 3. Crevasse wasnt even a map used in the GSL at that point

i think Crevasse was out in the GSTL o.O

idk lol, whatever


I'm 100% sure it was GuineaPig in Open Season 3 on Shakuras in the Ro64 or Ro32
Lose Early game - Cheese. Lose Mid Game - All Ined. Lose Late Game - OMG IMBALANCE. My Guide to Zerg LR.
how2TL
Profile Joined August 2010
1197 Posts
December 20 2011 11:12 GMT
#1646
On December 20 2011 20:04 aTnClouD wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 20 2011 20:00 CosmicSpiral wrote:
On December 20 2011 19:54 aTnClouD wrote:
On December 20 2011 19:52 NipponBanzai wrote:
On December 20 2011 19:50 aTnClouD wrote:
On December 20 2011 19:49 LeopoldStotch wrote:
On December 20 2011 19:46 aTnClouD wrote:
So protoss all ins and the better player is unable to react and randomly loses cause it's impossible to scout in SC2. So good.

edit: morrow still has some zvts to play anyway, there's still hope.


From what I saw, the worst player in that game lost.

Get glasses. I've played Tassadar in Korea he's nowhere near the level of Morrow. He's just pulling out stupid builds with poor execution in these matches.


Who is the one who lost to a stupid build with poor execution? lol

Ok I'll rephrase it. Tassadar is the worst player between the two, he pulled out stupid builds in both matches he played today and he won against Morrow with a poorly executed all in that totally relied on Morrow not being prepared, hence didn't require any deep preparation or response to what his opponent was doing. In short I'm saying Tassadar is playing like a scrub.


You need to calm the hell down. Morrow played worse and lost, that's it.

If he lost cause he played worse then I wouldn't be so upset about the result of the match. Still fun how people fail to realize how protoss game design is a complete failure. I'm not gonna talk about this anymore since there's too many clueless players who don't understand we're watching poker and not starcraft.


I think a lot of people will agree that Protoss design is bad. It just promotes the ugliest deathball playstyles. There's a reason TvZ is the most popular matchup to watch.

That being said, it's funny you get to whine about balance like you have any right.

http://www.teamliquid.net/tlpd/sc2-international/players/1610_ClouD

You cry like Idra and have even less results to back it up.
Giriath
Profile Joined May 2011
Sweden2412 Posts
December 20 2011 11:12 GMT
#1647
LIME EM UP!
Education should be our seniors guiding us to be "who" we want to be, not "what" we want to be.
TheDwf
Profile Joined November 2011
France19747 Posts
December 20 2011 11:12 GMT
#1648
Such a fail from Tassadar...
Seeker *
Profile Blog Joined April 2005
Where dat snitch at?37064 Posts
December 20 2011 11:12 GMT
#1649
On December 20 2011 20:09 Scila wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 20 2011 20:07 Zanno wrote:
On December 20 2011 20:05 Andr3 wrote:
I know this is SC2 but:
http://wiki.teamliquid.net/starcraft/Ee_Han_Timing
http://wiki.teamliquid.net/starcraft/All-in

yeah i am actually sick of the constant crying about all-ins on teamliquid

what do the korean broadcasters do when a player goes all in?

they go OHHHHHHHHHHHH

if everyone played a passive macro game every single game, the game would be as exciting to watch as golf


Not necessarily, BW was 90% macro games and they were very, very fun to watch. It was a slow process of small harass, unit engagements and little tricks occurring all over huge maps that would slowly allow one player to get ahead, and there was much bigger potential for comebacks.


Yes but...... BW also had incredibly boring macro games. TvTs were painful to watch. And long drawn out macro games were sometimes very anti-climatic/disappointing
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Nabes
Profile Joined November 2010
Canada1800 Posts
December 20 2011 11:12 GMT
#1650
what is he throwing the game? Lol
andaylin
Profile Joined August 2010
United States10830 Posts
December 20 2011 11:12 GMT
#1651
lol even Ryung can win against cheeseadar?
"Hard work beats talent when talent fails to work hard." - Kevin Durant
Telcontar
Profile Joined May 2010
United Kingdom16710 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-12-20 11:13:20
December 20 2011 11:12 GMT
#1652
On December 20 2011 20:10 Scila wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 20 2011 20:04 aTnClouD wrote:
On December 20 2011 20:00 CosmicSpiral wrote:
On December 20 2011 19:54 aTnClouD wrote:
On December 20 2011 19:52 NipponBanzai wrote:
On December 20 2011 19:50 aTnClouD wrote:
On December 20 2011 19:49 LeopoldStotch wrote:
On December 20 2011 19:46 aTnClouD wrote:
So protoss all ins and the better player is unable to react and randomly loses cause it's impossible to scout in SC2. So good.

edit: morrow still has some zvts to play anyway, there's still hope.


From what I saw, the worst player in that game lost.

Get glasses. I've played Tassadar in Korea he's nowhere near the level of Morrow. He's just pulling out stupid builds with poor execution in these matches.


Who is the one who lost to a stupid build with poor execution? lol

Ok I'll rephrase it. Tassadar is the worst player between the two, he pulled out stupid builds in both matches he played today and he won against Morrow with a poorly executed all in that totally relied on Morrow not being prepared, hence didn't require any deep preparation or response to what his opponent was doing. In short I'm saying Tassadar is playing like a scrub.


You need to calm the hell down. Morrow played worse and lost, that's it.

If he lost cause he played worse then I wouldn't be so upset about the result of the match. Still fun how people fail to realize how protoss game design is a complete failure. I'm not gonna talk about this anymore since there's too many clueless players who don't understand we're watching poker and not starcraft.



You're actually absolutely right about Protoss being terribly designed. However, TL doesn't like this kind of discussion and it won't lead anywhere so meh. Let's just watch some good games

He wasn't initially complaining about the design of the protoss race though. He was dissing Tasssadar for being a lesser player who got lucky with an all-in build which clearly wasn't the case.

Oh and I find it hilarious since I can't help but recall MorroW blind baneling bust Jinro's 3 rax wall multiple times in TSL3.
Et Eärello Endorenna utúlien. Sinome maruvan ar Hildinyar tenn' Ambar-metta.
0ne
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
Spain2464 Posts
December 20 2011 11:12 GMT
#1653
Force Fail
00Visor
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
4337 Posts
December 20 2011 11:12 GMT
#1654
Nice failfield
Yang Wenli
Profile Joined November 2010
United States2283 Posts
December 20 2011 11:12 GMT
#1655
Khaldor "WHAT IS THAT?" on that missed force field.
Jackle
Profile Joined January 2010
Canada859 Posts
December 20 2011 11:12 GMT
#1656
LOL, best forcefield in the world.
You called down the thunder, now reap the whirlwind.
weiliem
Profile Joined January 2008
2071 Posts
December 20 2011 11:12 GMT
#1657
LOLOLOL... failfield.... hahhaa.... what was that forcefield btw.... lol
Oppa feeding style
Unreliablex
Profile Joined October 2011
141 Posts
December 20 2011 11:12 GMT
#1658
Yeah, tassadar is a code s player, am I rite?
Itsmedudeman
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States19229 Posts
December 20 2011 11:12 GMT
#1659
LOL and he's still up 5 supply after that? what
MrCon
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
France29748 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-12-20 11:12:56
December 20 2011 11:12 GMT
#1660
On December 20 2011 20:10 MrCon wrote:
I hope Ryung will win this, so Morrow has one less opponent to worry about
For once I'll root for Ryung ! I don't think he can win vs protoss because it involves micro, but why not, a miracle is possible.

Oops, forgot that Tassadar is even worse. But 2 chronoboosted nexus can still do this.
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