EPT[GSL] Jan Up/Down Matches D2 - Page 81
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Logros
Netherlands9913 Posts
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ABear
United States161 Posts
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weiliem
2073 Posts
On December 20 2011 20:05 figq wrote: ![[image loading]](http://i.imgur.com/Lz3JZ.jpg) hahaha.... u just made my day.... | ||
CosmicSpiral
United States15275 Posts
On December 20 2011 20:04 Giriath wrote: More like everything about his play has gotten worse since leaving TSL, I think. He's died to basically the same kind of push two games in a row because of the same overall plan. On December 20 2011 20:04 aTnClouD wrote: If he lost cause he played worse then I wouldn't be so upset about the result of the match. Still fun how people fail to realize how protoss game design is a complete failure. I'm not gonna talk about this anymore since there's too many clueless players who don't understand we're watching poker and not starcraft. I don't like protoss game design personally, but Tassadar didn't randomly decide to throw down the second stargate on a whim. Don't take away credit when one player completely mindgames the other. | ||
Shellshock
United States97277 Posts
On December 20 2011 20:07 Fragile51 wrote: Pretty sure Hongun and Guineapig first used the FFE into double stargate build, not sure about the VR collo deathball though, may very well have been Yongwha. I am 99% sure Guineapig was the first to do it in the GSL vs Junwi in open season 3. Crevasse wasnt even a map used in the GSL at that point | ||
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Hassybaby
United Kingdom10823 Posts
Both Ryung and Tassadar have yet to play on this map in the GSL Oh Calm…why you no have more games. We'll forget the map for a second, and focus on the race wins instead I guess. Ryung's 7-10 vP overall, while Tassaadr's 5-8…. Ok, lets just watch this game instead  One thing I want to point out though. A lot of people claim this map is super powerful for Protoss. Well in PvT, its less that the map is great PvT, but more that the maP is great OzvT or SangHovT. Take those 2 out, things change quickly. EDIT: Fail caps | ||
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Drazerk
United Kingdom31255 Posts
In the top left is  RyungWhile in the bottom left is  Tassadar | ||
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Noremack.cm
Australia91 Posts
On December 20 2011 20:05 00Visor wrote: Protoss is 48% on this map. Both korean and international. http://www.teamliquid.net/tlpd/sc2-korean/maps/448_Tal'Darim_Altar_LE http://www.teamliquid.net/tlpd/sc2-international/maps/448_Tal'Darim_Altar_LE GSL Stats show. 39.3% 24W / 37L in Terran favor | ||
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TheDwf
France19747 Posts
On December 20 2011 20:07 TT1 wrote: na morrow didnt play worse he just got caught off guard by a luck based build, cloud just comes off extremely agressive but he means well : D No Hydras was luck or a bad decision? | ||
Telcontar
United Kingdom16710 Posts
On December 20 2011 20:04 CosmicSpiral wrote: Well, what build should he have used? Dual Sight is not exactly Protoss-friendly. TT1 would've have used a 2 base heavy play just like most other protoss in the world (like Hero, MC, JYP, Sage....etc). That map is virtually impossible to take a quick 3rd on unless you cannoned his natural or something. I really don't see why he's complaining. | ||
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Sambobly
Australia241 Posts
On December 20 2011 20:02 Noremack.cm wrote: Why is Tal'Darim Altar still in the map pool. The stats show its heavily favored towards T. That being said Gumiho played that really well. http://www.teamliquid.net/tlpd/sc2-international/maps/423 I don't think it is that imbalanced... | ||
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XRaDiiX
Canada1730 Posts
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MrCon
France29748 Posts
On December 20 2011 20:05 figq wrote: When Khaldor said it, I thought of exactly this ^^ | ||
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aTnClouD
Italy2428 Posts
On December 20 2011 20:07 Coolhwip wrote: You know that it's the same thing for protoss agianst terran early game. Complete guessing game. I really dont know what point you're trying to make. is it that protoss is OP or just that theres too much guessing going on in teh game in general? My point is every matchup with a protoss in it has too many gamble aspects in it, sometimes from both sides. They just totally failed to design protoss and that's why we see terrible protoss players winning against better ones and insanely good protoss players losing to scrubs. User was temp banned for this post. | ||
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andaylin
United States10830 Posts
On December 20 2011 20:07 Shellshock1122 wrote: I am 99% sure Guineapig was the first to do it in the GSL vs Junwi in open season 3. Crevasse wasnt even a map used in the GSL at that point i think Crevasse was out in the GSTL o.O idk lol, whatever | ||
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Scila
Canada1849 Posts
On December 20 2011 20:07 Zanno wrote: yeah i am actually sick of the constant crying about all-ins on teamliquid what do the korean broadcasters do when a player goes all in? they go OHHHHHHHHHHHH if everyone played a passive macro game every single game, the game would be as exciting to watch as golf Not necessarily, BW was 90% macro games and they were very, very fun to watch. It was a slow process of small harass, unit engagements and little tricks occurring all over huge maps that would slowly allow one player to get ahead, and there was much bigger potential for comebacks. | ||
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Goibon
New Zealand8185 Posts
On December 20 2011 20:07 hansel01 wrote: Just to like to throw it out there that the last map where Gumiho went siege is bullshit, i hate that map so much. Being able to hit the expo from the low ground is retarded. They need to make the cliff bigger so it is not possible. You see it happen in almost every TvZ. I've hated this forever too. It's just frustrating knowing that that natural is going to get sieged up, and the entire point of the game becomes the ability of the non-T to defend it. It's zzzzz. I want it out of the map pool already. I'm sick of it. | ||
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ElephantBaby
United States1365 Posts
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Fionn
United States23455 Posts
On December 20 2011 20:07 Logros wrote: Khaldor should stop saying "that game" all the time. "That guy" in "that game" is so good. | ||
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CosmicSpiral
United States15275 Posts
On December 20 2011 20:08 Telcontar wrote: TT1 would've have used a 2 base heavy play just like most other protoss in the world (like Hero, MC, JYP, Sage....etc). That map is virtually impossible to take a quick 3rd on unless you cannoned his natural or something. I really don't see why he's complaining. Thank you for proving my point. :/ | ||
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