When: Tuesday, Dec 20 1:00am GMT (GMT+00:00) (we will also have a European re-broadcast as usual at Tuesday, Dec 20 5:30pm GMT (GMT+00:00))
Format
This double-elimination tournament features 8 teams from around the world and is an All-Kill team format. This match is being played for Winners Final. The first team to defeat everyone on the opposing team's roster (5 wins, or a best of 9), will move on to the Grand Finals, while the loser will drop down into the Losers Final. Keep in mind that this has a $10,000 prize pool, and only three teams will make it to the money!
Mousesports recently achieved the unthinkable by defeating SlayerS in the previous round, 5-4, with biGs scoring two major victories for his team. Quantic IM looks strong as ever, and with MVP making an appearance to rescue his team last round, QIM has shown that they are not messing around. Here are their full rosters:
Mousesports HasuObs MaNa MorroW biGs ThorZaIN HeRoMaRinE
The First Game of the IPL Team Arena Challenge is on Tuesday, Dec 20 1:00am GMT (GMT+00:00) (we will also have a European re-broadcast as usual at Tuesday, Dec 20 5:30pm GMT (GMT+00:00))
I have a feeling that, unlike SlayerS, IM will take this tournament at least semi-seriously. Mouz has enough talent to win a couple games but I'm sure of IM's victory.
On December 19 2011 18:00 Frankon wrote: Well if quantic sends only top IM players they should take mous down. But if they send quantic and low IM players mous have this.
This statement of yours is false. Even "low IM players" would dismantle Mous with the greatest of ease. Regular QnX players are pretty much on equal footing as far as skill goes with Mous. An 1 upper tier player from IM could all kill Mous. So no there really isnt a shot in hell of Mous even coming close to winning this. At max they may pick up maybe 2 games but thats it.
On December 19 2011 18:00 Frankon wrote: Well if quantic sends only top IM players they should take mous down. But if they send quantic and low IM players mous have this.
This statement of yours is false. Even "low IM players" would dismantle Mous with the greatest of ease. Regular QnX players are pretty much on equal footing as far as skill goes with Mous. An 1 upper tier player from IM could all kill Mous. So no there really isnt a shot in hell of Mous even coming close to winning this. At max they may pick up maybe 2 games but thats it.
On December 19 2011 18:00 Frankon wrote: Well if quantic sends only top IM players they should take mous down. But if they send quantic and low IM players mous have this.
This statement of yours is false. Even "low IM players" would dismantle Mous with the greatest of ease. Regular QnX players are pretty much on equal footing as far as skill goes with Mous. An 1 upper tier player from IM could all kill Mous. So no there really isnt a shot in hell of Mous even coming close to winning this. At max they may pick up maybe 2 games but thats it.
You really underestimate mouz I think. Yes, an MVP/Nestea/Losira all kill is perfectly reasonable, yes, a happy all-kill wouldn't be the biggest upset ever, but mana and thorzain are among the top europeans with hasuobs and morrow very close behind. All of the big four are at the least capable of taking games off koreans, and bigs proved himself the other week as well, taking down alicia and ryung.
If QIM come out all guns firing, they should dismantle mouz. But that's not what people do in team leagues, they use them as a platform to give tournament experience to their lesser players, so I expect some more korean b-teamers and quantic bros in the mix. And as such, I think mouz has a reasonable chance.
On December 19 2011 18:00 Frankon wrote: Well if quantic sends only top IM players they should take mous down. But if they send quantic and low IM players mous have this.
This statement of yours is false. Even "low IM players" would dismantle Mous with the greatest of ease. Regular QnX players are pretty much on equal footing as far as skill goes with Mous. An 1 upper tier player from IM could all kill Mous. So no there really isnt a shot in hell of Mous even coming close to winning this. At max they may pick up maybe 2 games but thats it.
So how did mouz beat Slayers then?
LOL Did you even know who Slayers send out? Their top tier terran such as MMA,Ganzi,Taeja were not send out and they were sending their B-teamer such as Soccer and etc to gain experience.Plus,MMA had MVP to play for the blizz cup semi-finals and thats why they never send the top terrans.
On December 19 2011 18:00 Frankon wrote: Well if quantic sends only top IM players they should take mous down. But if they send quantic and low IM players mous have this.
This statement of yours is false. Even "low IM players" would dismantle Mous with the greatest of ease. Regular QnX players are pretty much on equal footing as far as skill goes with Mous. An 1 upper tier player from IM could all kill Mous. So no there really isnt a shot in hell of Mous even coming close to winning this. At max they may pick up maybe 2 games but thats it.
So how did mouz beat Slayers then?
LOL Did you even know who Slayers send out? Their top tier terran such as MMA,Ganzi,Taeja were not send out and they were sending their B-teamer such as Soccer and etc to gain experience.Plus,MMA had MVP to play for the blizz cup semi-finals and thats why they never send the top terrans.
You don't seem to know much about it yourself because they didn't use soccer, lol.
On December 19 2011 18:00 Frankon wrote: Well if quantic sends only top IM players they should take mous down. But if they send quantic and low IM players mous have this.
This statement of yours is false. Even "low IM players" would dismantle Mous with the greatest of ease. Regular QnX players are pretty much on equal footing as far as skill goes with Mous. An 1 upper tier player from IM could all kill Mous. So no there really isnt a shot in hell of Mous even coming close to winning this. At max they may pick up maybe 2 games but thats it.
So how did mouz beat Slayers then?
LOL Did you even know who Slayers send out? Their top tier terran such as MMA,Ganzi,Taeja were not send out and they were sending their B-teamer such as Soccer and etc to gain experience.Plus,MMA had MVP to play for the blizz cup semi-finals and thats why they never send the top terrans.
I'm not saying that mouz is the favorite here. If IM uses their best players, they will probably crush them. But a statement like "Even "low IM players" would dismantle Mouz with the greatest of ease. " is just bullshit, because mouz has already proven that they can beat those mid-tier koreans. I mean even qxc all-killed those "low IM players".~
On December 19 2011 18:00 Frankon wrote: Well if quantic sends only top IM players they should take mous down. But if they send quantic and low IM players mous have this.
This statement of yours is false. Even "low IM players" would dismantle Mous with the greatest of ease. Regular QnX players are pretty much on equal footing as far as skill goes with Mous. An 1 upper tier player from IM could all kill Mous. So no there really isnt a shot in hell of Mous even coming close to winning this. At max they may pick up maybe 2 games but thats it.
So how did mouz beat Slayers then?
LOL Did you even know who Slayers send out? Their top tier terran such as MMA,Ganzi,Taeja were not send out and they were sending their B-teamer such as Soccer and etc to gain experience.Plus,MMA had MVP to play for the blizz cup semi-finals and thats why they never send the top terrans.
You don't seem to know much about it yourself because they didn't use soccer, lol.
And Mouz earned that win, but it's true SlayerS didn't send out their top talent to take mouz on. I just want to see Thorzain vs. Naniwa or MVP for this series. But I do think QIM will take this easily. 5-2 or 5-3. Then again, Mouz somehow someway does shockingly well in these clanwar type series. If they pulled a win, I think we'd all be shocked, but deep down sort of expected it in the back of our minds as well. As amazing as MVP and NesTea is, remember what MVPTails did to them in GSTL? Who knows, that could happen here.
On December 19 2011 18:00 Frankon wrote: Well if quantic sends only top IM players they should take mous down. But if they send quantic and low IM players mous have this.
This statement of yours is false. Even "low IM players" would dismantle Mous with the greatest of ease. Regular QnX players are pretty much on equal footing as far as skill goes with Mous. An 1 upper tier player from IM could all kill Mous. So no there really isnt a shot in hell of Mous even coming close to winning this. At max they may pick up maybe 2 games but thats it.
So how did mouz beat Slayers then?
LOL Did you even know who Slayers send out? Their top tier terran such as MMA,Ganzi,Taeja were not send out and they were sending their B-teamer such as Soccer and etc to gain experience.Plus,MMA had MVP to play for the blizz cup semi-finals and thats why they never send the top terrans.
You don't seem to know much about it yourself because they didn't use soccer, lol.
And Mouz earned that win, but it's true SlayerS didn't send out their top talent to take mouz on. I just want to see Thorzain vs. Naniwa or MVP for this series. But I do think QIM will take this easily. 5-2 or 5-3. Then again, Mouz somehow someway does shockingly well in these clanwar type series. If they pulled a win, I think we'd all be shocked, but deep down sort of expected it in the back of our minds as well. As amazing as MVP and NesTea is, remember what MVPTails did to them in GSTL? Who knows, that could happen here.
I hate when players change their names >.> But the previous statement of "even low IM players would dismantle mouz" is still stupid. I don't see why people base their arguements on hypothetical cases, also qxc all-killed IM, including MVP. Obviously IM has odds in their favour, that doesn't mean Mouz can't win.
On December 19 2011 18:00 Frankon wrote: Well if quantic sends only top IM players they should take mous down. But if they send quantic and low IM players mous have this.
This statement of yours is false. Even "low IM players" would dismantle Mous with the greatest of ease. Regular QnX players are pretty much on equal footing as far as skill goes with Mous. An 1 upper tier player from IM could all kill Mous. So no there really isnt a shot in hell of Mous even coming close to winning this. At max they may pick up maybe 2 games but thats it.
So how did mouz beat Slayers then?
LOL Did you even know who Slayers send out? Their top tier terran such as MMA,Ganzi,Taeja were not send out and they were sending their B-teamer such as Soccer and etc to gain experience.Plus,MMA had MVP to play for the blizz cup semi-finals and thats why they never send the top terrans.
The guy you quoted was answering to a guy, who asserted, that even "low-level" player of IM aka. B- or even C-Teamers would dismantle Mousesports easily, which was proven wrong with the defeat of Slayers, who were using not their Top-Lineup. Even then Ryung, Puzzle or Alicia are far from "low-level" even by Slayers standards.
EDIT:
Furthermore, the Quantic-Players on the level of the A-Roster aka. Big 4 of Mousesports are only Naniwa and Sase. The reason for Mousesports success in Team-Leagues is the fact, that they have 4 guys on the foreign top level, who can individually carry the team if necessary. What makes it even more impressive, is the fact that they don´t need Koreans to do that.
On December 19 2011 23:18 [17]Purple wrote: When were these games played? I know that these are only replays but what how many weeks before were these games played?
The games are apparently pretty fresh at this stage.
On December 19 2011 23:18 [17]Purple wrote: When were these games played? I know that these are only replays but what how many weeks before were these games played?
Some time in the last four days. Mouz played Slayers just hours before that match was broadcast (which was Thursday I believe) so it had to be some time since then.
On December 19 2011 18:00 Frankon wrote: Well if quantic sends only top IM players they should take mous down. But if they send quantic and low IM players mous have this.
This statement of yours is false. Even "low IM players" would dismantle Mous with the greatest of ease. Regular QnX players are pretty much on equal footing as far as skill goes with Mous. An 1 upper tier player from IM could all kill Mous. So no there really isnt a shot in hell of Mous even coming close to winning this. At max they may pick up maybe 2 games but thats it.
Mouz beat GSL-veterans vs Slayers, "lower IM players", who are worse than Puzzle, Ryung or Alicia would get demolished by mouz. And QxG is not in the same league as mouz, besides Nani and Sase, all of them are players, who could get beaten my heromarine or all-killed by biggs.
QIM is favored here, but they should need at least one of Happy/Losira/MVP (assuming Nestea will not play) and a bunch of mid-tier Koreans/Sase/Naniwa.
On December 20 2011 00:28 gruff wrote: Are they playing this on the US server or how does these ipl's work?
I believe the default server is NA, unless both parties agree to play on Europe or Korea (for instance, if both players are in Korea, they can play on their home server, but if one is in EU and the other in KR, they will default to NA server). These games were played four days ago.
On December 19 2011 18:00 Frankon wrote: Well if quantic sends only top IM players they should take mous down. But if they send quantic and low IM players mous have this.
This statement of yours is false. Even "low IM players" would dismantle Mous with the greatest of ease. Regular QnX players are pretty much on equal footing as far as skill goes with Mous. An 1 upper tier player from IM could all kill Mous. So no there really isnt a shot in hell of Mous even coming close to winning this. At max they may pick up maybe 2 games but thats it.
People underestimate Foriegnors so badly . . . sigh. Mouz is the best foriegner team playing against the best Korean team. I don't know who's going to lose this but I know we will win.
On December 19 2011 18:00 Frankon wrote: Well if quantic sends only top IM players they should take mous down. But if they send quantic and low IM players mous have this.
This statement of yours is false. Even "low IM players" would dismantle Mous with the greatest of ease. Regular QnX players are pretty much on equal footing as far as skill goes with Mous. An 1 upper tier player from IM could all kill Mous. So no there really isnt a shot in hell of Mous even coming close to winning this. At max they may pick up maybe 2 games but thats it.
People underestimate Foriegnors so badly . . . sigh. Mouz is the best foriegner team playing against the best Korean team. I don't know who's going to lose this but I know we will win.
Nani and Sase by themselves would already be able to achieve an all;kill. Now add to that Happy, Losira, Nestea, and MVP, and there is no way Mouz is going to stand a chance if QIM takes this even semi-seriously.
Well, I don't see QIM winning the first game unless they send out a code S player. Mouze is just too well rounded to lose to anyone else game one, and Mouze's toss can also beat any QIM toss in a PvP I think (I maintain that Hasuobs is a BEAST, and that's why he always beats HuK). But if Happy, MVP, Losira, or Nestea come out it's light's out for Mouze.
On December 20 2011 03:53 Ventor wrote: Mouz does not have anyone which can take down MVP. Assuming they send him out first, he will all kill mouz convincingly.
Perhaps, but usually the top Koreans don't come out first. Generally, the lower-level players come out for experience (or maybe just to make the series more interesting ).
On December 20 2011 03:53 Ventor wrote: Mouz does not have anyone which can take down MVP. Assuming they send him out first, he will all kill mouz convincingly.
Perhaps, but usually the top Koreans don't come out first. Generally, the lower-level players come out for experience (or maybe just to make the series more interesting ).
They'll take mouz seriously, they did take out slayers.
If IM takes this seriously and sends out the S class players, and Naniwa, then they will win this. If they make the same mistake SlayerS made, then I could see Mouz winning this convincingly. GLGL can't wait.
Please consider increasing the framerate on your stream. It is quite obvious that the framerate is low, the best way I can describe the effect is "microstutter", if that makes any sense at all.
On December 20 2011 05:52 seiferoth10 wrote: Dear IGN,
Please consider increasing the framerate on your stream. It is quite obvious that the framerate is low, the best way I can describe the effect is "microstutter", if that makes any sense at all.
We are limited by our hardware at the moment and are investing in some really great tech for the new year. Just hang with us for now and enjoy some great games. =D
On December 20 2011 07:12 Joshy.IGN wrote: We are limited by our hardware at the moment and are investing in some really great tech for the new year. Just hang with us for now and enjoy some great games. =D
I think it should be a close match, probably 5-3 QIM but it could be an upset who knows? either way I'd be fine both teams have great players and deserve to advance =D
apocalypse is actually hella good, seen a fair amount of him vs Korean pros on ladder, and in the Korean Weeklies, excited to see his play in a team league
On December 20 2011 10:00 Badfatpanda wrote: BiGs all kill go (or am I too late)
I think it should be a close match, probably 5-3 QIM but it could be an upset who knows? either way I'd be fine both teams have great players and deserve to advance =D
On December 20 2011 10:00 Badfatpanda wrote: BiGs all kill go (or am I too late)
I think it should be a close match, probably 5-3 QIM but it could be an upset who knows? either way I'd be fine both teams have great players and deserve to advance =D
This is the finals.
Winners Bracket, it's double elimination, so there's still one more round for the winner and potentially two more for the loser.
On December 20 2011 10:00 Badfatpanda wrote: BiGs all kill go (or am I too late)
I think it should be a close match, probably 5-3 QIM but it could be an upset who knows? either way I'd be fine both teams have great players and deserve to advance =D
On December 20 2011 10:00 Badfatpanda wrote: BiGs all kill go (or am I too late)
I think it should be a close match, probably 5-3 QIM but it could be an upset who knows? either way I'd be fine both teams have great players and deserve to advance =D
On December 20 2011 10:00 Badfatpanda wrote: BiGs all kill go (or am I too late)
I think it should be a close match, probably 5-3 QIM but it could be an upset who knows? either way I'd be fine both teams have great players and deserve to advance =D
On December 20 2011 10:25 jeeneeus wrote: That's some of the best play I've seen from Morrow.
IMO the terran played like shit. Morrow just played accordingly. Hopefully Yoda can give a good game I remember Happy saying that Yoda had good TvZ lol.
Yoda comes out next. Seems that QIM is still not taking the match as seriously as they could be >.>
I wonder if this will bite them in the ass... Seeing SlayerS vs. IM in a non-finals match simply because neither of them took Mouz seriously (and because Mouz is damn good) would be pretty funny.
Morrow looks pretty solid. Go Morrow - the infested Terran!
@IPL Love the format, I really hope there will be another season in the future. It´s something different and really nice to watch, because you can cheer for your favourite team and/or player.
Such a back and forth game... Gonna be largely in Morrows favor for a bit, good for him for surviving against a gold-muling terran. That's a sketchy situation to be in.
There was a hero reaper at the 12 o'clock position who denied a fifth 6 times. I don't think Morrow ever realized that the reaper was there, and assumed it was dropped marines. That won the game for Yoda.
The second Yoda did that timing push at the start, he was way ahead of morrow. Morrow did a good job in getting back in the game but Yoda was way too far ahead.
On December 20 2011 10:48 TheDougler wrote: Such a back and forth game... Gonna be largely in Morrows favor for a bit, good for him for surviving against a gold-muling terran. That's a sketchy situation to be in.
True. Also: That first push. I know a few zerg players who would probably have gg´ed after losing like 20 drones. Probs to morrow for making a entertaining game out of it. <3
On December 20 2011 10:54 CosmicSpiral wrote: There was a hero reaper at the 12 o'clock position who denied a fifth 6 times. I don't think Morrow ever realized that the reaper was there, and assumed it was dropped marines. That won the game for Yoda.
On December 20 2011 10:53 Eury wrote: Why are they still playing on such shitty maps?
I think because this is a foreigner tournament and you know... foreigner terrans aren't as good as Korean terrans compared to their protoss and Zerg counterparts so thus need more advantages.
On December 20 2011 10:53 Eury wrote: Why are they still playing on such shitty maps?
I think because this is a foreigner tournament and you know... foreigner terrans aren't as good as Korean terrans compared to their protoss and Zerg counterparts so thus need more advantages.
What is this nonsense? 100% disagree
This was a standard map pool up until a month ago when GSL removed gold bases. No bias no imba logic
On December 20 2011 10:54 NipponBanzai wrote: The second Yoda did that timing push at the start, he was way ahead of morrow. Morrow did a good job in getting back in the game but Yoda was way too far ahead.
Yoda wasn't ahead after morrow took the middle of the map and killed all his marines. If morrow had gone hive faster and counter attacked more he could have been fine.
Maps are a tricky thing. On the one hand they can get really old real fast, on the other hand you can´t change them too often because the pros obviously need to have a ton of games on them in order to make for good games.
The whole map situation can get silly at some torunaments for having 50 different versions of the same map, but that´s besides the point. I think we need some kind of normalized map-pool for every tournament out there.
On December 20 2011 10:53 Eury wrote: Why are they still playing on such shitty maps?
I think because this is a foreigner tournament and you know... foreigner terrans aren't as good as Korean terrans compared to their protoss and Zerg counterparts so thus need more advantages.
What is this nonsense? 100% disagree
This was a standard map pool up until a month ago when GSL removed gold bases. No bias no imba logic
And why did the GSL remove the gold bases while foreign tournaments didn't?
The GSL removed it because Korean terrans were dominating the GSL and gave maps that favored protoss and Zerg by removing the Gold bases (Antiga for ex.). Foreigner tournaments just don't see the level of terran dominance the Koreans did so thus never had to remove the gold bases.
On December 20 2011 10:53 Eury wrote: Why are they still playing on such shitty maps?
I think because this is a foreigner tournament and you know... foreigner terrans aren't as good as Korean terrans compared to their protoss and Zerg counterparts so thus need more advantages.
What is this nonsense? 100% disagree
This was a standard map pool up until a month ago when GSL removed gold bases. No bias no imba logic
And why did the GSL remove the gold bases while foreign tournaments didn't?
The GSL removed it because Korean terrans were dominating the GSL and gave maps that favored protoss and Zerg by removing the Gold bases (Antiga for ex.). Foreigner tournaments just don't see the level of terran dominance the Koreans did so thus never had to remove the gold bases.
I think they will I just think Foreign tournies will remove them. Sometimes tournaments just wait to see the results and then make a similar move.
On December 20 2011 11:08 dizzy101 wrote: Why would Mouz send out biGs to play vs Yoda? I mean, if Morrow can't beat him as Zerg, how is biGs gonna be able to?
It's a much better map for zvt (at least in cross position)
The only problem for mouz : they have so few players, it's probably easy to prepare for them more than others teams since you KNOW which players will come.
On December 20 2011 11:14 Noocta wrote: The only problem for mouz : they have so few players, it's probably easy to prepare for them more than others teams since you KNOW which players will come.
I was also wondering about that. Small teams are at a big disadvantage in my opionion. QIM has a massive playerlist compared to mouz.
edit: 24 vs 6. They can pretty much choose the perfect "counter" so to speak in terms of match-up.
On December 20 2011 11:14 Noocta wrote: The only problem for mouz : they have so few players, it's probably easy to prepare for them more than others teams since you KNOW which players will come.
I was also wondering about that. Small teams are at a big disadvantage in my opionion. QIM has a massive playerlist compared to mouz.
edit: 24 vs 6. They can pretty much choose the perfect "counter" so to speak in terms of match-up.
Yup. IM primed apocalypse and yoda to play against Mouz o.O
On December 20 2011 11:28 Tachion wrote: holy hell yoda really picked mana apart
Yoda was outplaying mana but the skill difference weren't that high. What really killed mana was the drop sniping both templar archives and council before the upgrades finish.
On December 20 2011 11:30 Sackings wrote: you would think pro tosses would know by now not to put their forges/council in the back of their base vs terran
I am baffled by this as well. Its really starting to get a noob mistake placing your tech buildings in the mineral line.
I really love to see the start-up screen that shows the flags for each team, an addition to that would have the players names that are from that country right below. :D
Can't wait till IM sends out a player who isn't in code B. Oh wait, they are sending out... true. Come on guys, I wanna see some Losira, Happy, Nestea or MVP.
On December 20 2011 11:47 Micket wrote: Can't wait till IM sends out a player who isn't in code B. Oh wait, they are sending out... true. Come on guys, I wanna see some Losira, Happy, Nestea or MVP.
I'm confident they prepped True to snipe Thorzain.
On December 20 2011 11:47 Micket wrote: Can't wait till IM sends out a player who isn't in code B. Oh wait, they are sending out... true. Come on guys, I wanna see some Losira, Happy, Nestea or MVP.
They apparently have enough confidence in their lower tier players.
If it gets tied 3-3, I'd expect a higher level player to come out.
On December 20 2011 11:47 Micket wrote: Can't wait till IM sends out a player who isn't in code B. Oh wait, they are sending out... true. Come on guys, I wanna see some Losira, Happy, Nestea or MVP.
I'm confident they prepped True to snipe Thorzain.
I highly doubt they really value the league or Thorzain that highly enough to truly prepare a sniper.
On December 20 2011 11:47 Micket wrote: Can't wait till IM sends out a player who isn't in code B. Oh wait, they are sending out... true. Come on guys, I wanna see some Losira, Happy, Nestea or MVP.
I'm confident they prepped True to snipe Thorzain.
I highly doubt they really value the league or Thorzain that highly enough to truly prepare a sniper.
The league is worth many thousands of pounds, and Thorzain is consistently rated as the best foreigner Terran by Koreans. It's not absurd to think that they would attempt to snipe him.
On December 20 2011 11:47 Micket wrote: Can't wait till IM sends out a player who isn't in code B. Oh wait, they are sending out... true. Come on guys, I wanna see some Losira, Happy, Nestea or MVP.
As awesome as it is to watch an Losira or MVP, personally I would rather watch relative unknowns, kind of neat to see what else they have in store.
On December 20 2011 11:59 Telcontar wrote: +2 armour thor timing would be pretty good. Roaches are unupgraded.
Oh he went weapons.
Isn´t +weapon dmg way better against roaches? My reasoning being, that roaches hit heavy but slow, therefore armor is not that effective. Please correct me if I´m wrong, I play protoss so my understanding is rahter limited when it comes to ZvT.
On December 20 2011 12:04 jeeneeus wrote: He shoulda just ran after he sniped the two bases
Yeah, if he was able to retreat and salvage his army. He would probably survived at the very least. Personally I wish he'd just stuck with Marine Tank Medivac Viking and then Ghosts for late game.
On December 20 2011 11:59 Telcontar wrote: +2 armour thor timing would be pretty good. Roaches are unupgraded.
Oh he went weapons.
Isn´t +weapon dmg way better against roaches? My reasoning being, that roaches hit heavy but slow, therefore armor is not that effective. Please correct me if I´m wrong, I play protoss so my understanding is rahter limited when it comes to ZvT.
It depends on what you think you're going to be up against. If you're confident the opponent is going roach heavy, armour is better. Weapons only matter if you're +3 and the roaches are unupgraded. Then they start 2 shotting them instend of 3. If you think the zerg will open up muta first (most do against mech) you can go the weapons path to deal with the mutas better but won't really affect your thor-roach battles unless there's a huge difference in upgrades.
On December 20 2011 12:04 jeeneeus wrote: He shoulda just ran after he sniped the two bases
Yeah, if he was able to retreat and salvage his army. He would probably survived at the very least. Personally I wish he'd just stuck with Marine Tank Medivac Viking and then Ghosts for late game.
But mech is soooo good on that map. He just built too many thors and not enough siege tanks. Vikings earlier would have been good too.
True practices with MVP, who gets 60 drone kills with hellions every game when going mech. He must have sighed in relief when his drones didn't just evaporate.
sorry to post again but number #400 is going to give luck to hasu i think hes gona take down qim.True but against mvp or so he ll normaly fall but liquour number post gona make up for it
On December 20 2011 12:20 RageCommodore wrote: Well... sad to see Hasu going down, but happy to see a Nydus build work. Those aren't used enough to be honest.
Little disappointed that we did not see the big guns from IM but its always good to see the lesser knowns of the team pulling off the victory. Hoping to see Slayers vs IM in the GF
On December 20 2011 12:22 Mycl wrote: Little disappointed that we did not see the big guns from IM but its always good to see the lesser knowns of the team pulling off the victory. Hoping to see Slayers vs IM in the GF
If mouz couldn't even beat the "small guns", how would you expected IM to send out big guns anyway?
On December 20 2011 12:20 NipponBanzai wrote: Losing to b-teamers... Come on Mouz! What happened?
Yeah...whole team losing to Yoda and True is simply quite underwhelming :/.
How much more do we have to see from Korean B-Teamers to acknowledge that losing to them is not underwhelming/emberassing?
These are Koreans on pro teams. Code B players beat Code A/S regularly in various events.
It's not just because they're Code B. Considering Mouz just beat Slayers 5-4, losing to just Yoda and True, with QIM not fielding a single big gun, IS underwhelming,
On December 20 2011 12:20 NipponBanzai wrote: Losing to b-teamers... Come on Mouz! What happened?
Yeah...whole team losing to Yoda and True is simply quite underwhelming :/.
How much more do we have to see from Korean B-Teamers to acknowledge that losing to them is not underwhelming/emberassing?
These are Koreans on pro teams. Code B players beat Code A/S regularly in various events.
they dont but ok
What a horrible post. Look at who qualified for HSC4. Sound? Heard of him? He beat Jjajki and several Code S players.
Back to topic, if SlayerS meets Mouz again do they have to win two Bo9s? And if so, does the old score carry over? Edit: I was wrong. He didn't beat Jjajki, but he did beat Gumiho, asd, Lucky.
On December 20 2011 12:20 NipponBanzai wrote: Losing to b-teamers... Come on Mouz! What happened?
Yeah...whole team losing to Yoda and True is simply quite underwhelming :/.
How much more do we have to see from Korean B-Teamers to acknowledge that losing to them is not underwhelming/emberassing?
These are Koreans on pro teams. Code B players beat Code A/S regularly in various events.
It's not just because they're Code B. Considering they just beat Slayers 5-4, losing to just Yoda and True, with QIM not fielding a single big gun, IS underwhelming,
Now there's a point I can stand behind yeah I was pretty surprised to see True dominate Mouz like that.
On December 20 2011 12:20 NipponBanzai wrote: Losing to b-teamers... Come on Mouz! What happened?
Yeah...whole team losing to Yoda and True is simply quite underwhelming :/.
How much more do we have to see from Korean B-Teamers to acknowledge that losing to them is not underwhelming/emberassing?
These are Koreans on pro teams. Code B players beat Code A/S regularly in various events.
Couldn't have put it much better myself. Code B does not mean bad by any means, if you look at the Korean weekly tournament you will be surprised.
The weeklys are great but lets be honest, Apocalypse and true can't even qualify for code A and Yoda did very poorly in Code A and then dropped out. It's pretty bad. Apparently GSL > weekly tournaments.
As supportive I am of the non-korean teams, QIM vs SlayerS would just be an epic final. The sheer number of amazing players on both teams is staggering. I would love to see the two in the Grand Final.
On December 20 2011 12:20 NipponBanzai wrote: Losing to b-teamers... Come on Mouz! What happened?
Yeah...whole team losing to Yoda and True is simply quite underwhelming :/.
How much more do we have to see from Korean B-Teamers to acknowledge that losing to them is not underwhelming/emberassing?
These are Koreans on pro teams. Code B players beat Code A/S regularly in various events.
Yeah, but they are not the best. They are very, VERY good, yes, but not the biggest guns (otherwise they would be in the A-Team, obviously). It's like IM didn't even bother to field their strong players, knowing that their B-Teamers were enough to dismantle the strongest foreign team at the moment. So technically, their best players weren't able to beat IM's backup guys (even if their backup guys are incredibly strong). If we go back to saying "well, it's the Koreans who beat them" we'll have BW all over again in a year or so.
On December 20 2011 12:20 NipponBanzai wrote: Losing to b-teamers... Come on Mouz! What happened?
Yeah...whole team losing to Yoda and True is simply quite underwhelming :/.
How much more do we have to see from Korean B-Teamers to acknowledge that losing to them is not underwhelming/emberassing?
These are Koreans on pro teams. Code B players beat Code A/S regularly in various events.
It's not just because they're Code B. Considering Mouz just beat Slayers 5-4, losing to just Yoda and True, with QIM not fielding a single big gun, IS underwhelming,
Mouz beating Slayers was a big upset. You can't set that as a standard.
On December 20 2011 12:20 NipponBanzai wrote: Losing to b-teamers... Come on Mouz! What happened?
Yeah...whole team losing to Yoda and True is simply quite underwhelming :/.
How much more do we have to see from Korean B-Teamers to acknowledge that losing to them is not underwhelming/emberassing?
These are Koreans on pro teams. Code B players beat Code A/S regularly in various events.
It's not just because they're Code B. Considering Mouz just beat Slayers 5-4, losing to just Yoda and True, with QIM not fielding a single big gun, IS underwhelming,
Mouz beating Slayers was a big upset. You can't set that as a standard.
I might be incorrect but I believe slayers, especially their terrans, were all strategizing for MMA's final (and MVP's match)
On December 20 2011 12:20 NipponBanzai wrote: Losing to b-teamers... Come on Mouz! What happened?
Yeah...whole team losing to Yoda and True is simply quite underwhelming :/.
How much more do we have to see from Korean B-Teamers to acknowledge that losing to them is not underwhelming/emberassing?
These are Koreans on pro teams. Code B players beat Code A/S regularly in various events.
Yeah, but they are not the best. They are very, VERY good, yes, but not the biggest guns (otherwise they would be in the A-Team, obviously). It's like IM didn't even bother to field their strong players, knowing that their B-Teamers were enough to dismantle the strongest foreign team at the moment. So technically, their best players weren't able to beat IM's backup guys (even if their backup guys are incredibly strong). If we go back to saying "well, it's the Koreans who beat them" we'll have BW all over again in a year or so.
We just saw Mouz beat Slayers some days ago. So Koreans can't just field their B-Teamers to win 100%. And I'm totally not saying that "well thats a Korean" is an excuse for losing, mouz are able to beat these players (Yoda, true), but losing is not "embarassing" as some are stating.
On December 20 2011 12:20 NipponBanzai wrote: Losing to b-teamers... Come on Mouz! What happened?
Yeah...whole team losing to Yoda and True is simply quite underwhelming :/.
How much more do we have to see from Korean B-Teamers to acknowledge that losing to them is not underwhelming/emberassing?
These are Koreans on pro teams. Code B players beat Code A/S regularly in various events.
they dont but ok
What a horrible post. Look at who qualified for HSC4. Sound? Heard of him? He beat Jjajki and several Code S players.
Back to topic, if SlayerS meets Mouz again do they have to win two Bo9s? And if so, does the old score carry over? Edit: I was wrong. He didn't beat Jjajki, but he did beat Gumiho, asd, Lucky.
good one you win.
its like saying yugioh belong in code s just because he made it once
On December 20 2011 12:20 NipponBanzai wrote: Losing to b-teamers... Come on Mouz! What happened?
Yeah...whole team losing to Yoda and True is simply quite underwhelming :/.
How much more do we have to see from Korean B-Teamers to acknowledge that losing to them is not underwhelming/emberassing?
These are Koreans on pro teams. Code B players beat Code A/S regularly in various events.
they dont but ok
What a horrible post. Look at who qualified for HSC4. Sound? Heard of him? He beat Jjajki and several Code S players.
Back to topic, if SlayerS meets Mouz again do they have to win two Bo9s? And if so, does the old score carry over? Edit: I was wrong. He didn't beat Jjajki, but he did beat Gumiho, asd, Lucky.
And how many Code B players lost to Code A/S players and failed to qualify for HSC4? I don't want to argue over semantics, but saying Code B players beat Code A/S players "regularly" is quite a stretch. It happens, but it's definitely not the norm.
Just like how foreigners can beat Code S players, but it's not the norm. Top foreigners can lose to Code B players, but it's not the norm.
People need to stop citing one event as the standard and focus on the bigger picture.
On December 20 2011 12:20 NipponBanzai wrote: Losing to b-teamers... Come on Mouz! What happened?
Yeah...whole team losing to Yoda and True is simply quite underwhelming :/.
How much more do we have to see from Korean B-Teamers to acknowledge that losing to them is not underwhelming/emberassing?
These are Koreans on pro teams. Code B players beat Code A/S regularly in various events.
they dont but ok
What a horrible post. Look at who qualified for HSC4. Sound? Heard of him? He beat Jjajki and several Code S players.
Back to topic, if SlayerS meets Mouz again do they have to win two Bo9s? And if so, does the old score carry over? Edit: I was wrong. He didn't beat Jjajki, but he did beat Gumiho, asd, Lucky.
People shouldn't be that surprised though. Foreigners hardly make it through code A unless they get a seed into code S. Yoda is a solid code A player while true is probably good enough to get there. No embaressment there.
On December 20 2011 12:20 NipponBanzai wrote: Losing to b-teamers... Come on Mouz! What happened?
Yeah...whole team losing to Yoda and True is simply quite underwhelming :/.
How much more do we have to see from Korean B-Teamers to acknowledge that losing to them is not underwhelming/emberassing?
These are Koreans on pro teams. Code B players beat Code A/S regularly in various events.
It's not just because they're Code B. Considering they just beat Slayers 5-4, losing to just Yoda and True, with QIM not fielding a single big gun, IS underwhelming,
Now there's a point I can stand behind yeah I was pretty surprised to see True dominate Mouz like that.
On December 20 2011 12:33 McFeser wrote: What a horrible post. Look at who qualified for HSC4. Sound? Heard of him? He beat Jjajki and several Code S players.
Back to topic, if SlayerS meets Mouz again do they have to win two Bo9s? And if so, does the old score carry over? Edit: I was wrong. He didn't beat Jjajki, but he did beat Gumiho, asd, Lucky.
I'm pretty sure if we get Slayers or colMVP vs Mouz it will just be one bo9, since it would be a loser's bracket match, and both teams are already on a loss.
In the Grand Finals QIM would have two "lives" since they are unbeaten, and the format of the tournament allows you to lose a maximum of two times before you're eliminated.
My name is Dong-Hoon Kang, the Manager of Team Incredible Miracle. The 1st event for IM fans was successfully completed. We promise we will continuosly have various events for our fans. http://facebook.com/IMteam
On December 21 2011 15:40 IMHirai wrote: My name is Dong-Hoon Kang, the Manager of Team Incredible Miracle. The 1st event for IM fans was successfully completed. We promise we will continuosly have various events for our fans. http://facebook.com/IMteam
Hello Mr.Hirai, can you please tell MVP that scoutingdrone loves him? Thanks
On December 21 2011 15:40 IMHirai wrote: My name is Dong-Hoon Kang, the Manager of Team Incredible Miracle. The 1st event for IM fans was successfully completed. We promise we will continuosly have various events for our fans. http://facebook.com/IMteam
On December 21 2011 15:40 IMHirai wrote: My name is Dong-Hoon Kang, the Manager of Team Incredible Miracle. The 1st event for IM fans was successfully completed. We promise we will continuosly have various events for our fans. http://facebook.com/IMteam
Good luck in the finals! Please use your best players we the fans would appreciate it very much.
So, Mr. Hirai tells me that Apocalypse is in fact a member of Quantic Gaming, and not IM. Sorry for the confusion, as we were never told which team he was actually representing. Thanks!
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