Kas dimaga hausobs stephano nerchio goody mana real syz beasty happy delphi diestar tarson xlord dbs moman TLO bling cloud cytoplasm naugrim..... and many more unknown EU gm's
thats a lineup every offline tournament would be happy with SIIIIIICK
Take + Delfi + HasuObs - super sweet casting combo (if you speak german). Looking forward to the final between Polt and Stephano (which happens after the game for place 3 between monchi / nerchio).
Didn't expect Polt to use his ladder build vs Stephano. Pretty cool to see, although I was doubting it was Polt at first because he kind of messed it up, he usually brings 3 scvs for that initial pressure. I wonder how much lag he gets playing on EU. Also, as awesome as it is, Polt is showing up EVERYWHERE now, I wonder why is that happening?
That's such a strange build. Eco 2rax expand into double port banshee ? If his banshee don't do that much damage ( and he was a bit lucky that stephano didn't chase every banshee with mutas ) you're so far behind on the marine tank push.
On January 27 2012 06:59 hrvoje07 wrote: so silly, 1 scv and still in the game...
2 Orbitals vs ~15 drones is still playable. Polt could have won that a few times as well, but played a bit sloppy again. Well done by Stephano with the counter attacks.
For those unaware, like I was (took a little bit of effort to find the bracket online), this is the finals between Polt and Stephano for this tournament. I think it's 1-1? 3rd game on shakuras.
On January 27 2012 06:56 Tsubbi wrote: wtf is this? never seen stephano play so atrociously bad
either for fun or because he want to stop playing SC for this night ^^ ( he's in the gaming house... )
On January 27 2012 06:59 hrvoje07 wrote: so silly, 1 scv and still in the game...
On January 27 2012 06:59 Megatronn wrote: Double mules is crazy.
Sometimes i burn like 90% of zerg's drones, but with some money and larvae one minute later he had the same amount :D T can mule just after to had an income, but cannot recover in long term like a Z who make mass drones to recover (and hop T doesn't attack ^^ )
On January 27 2012 06:59 Megatronn wrote: Double mules is crazy.
Sometimes i burn like 90% of zerg's drones, but with some money and larvae one minute later he had the same amount :D T can mule just after to had an income, but cannot recover in long term like a Z who make mass drones to recover (and hop T doesn't attack ^^ )
If you attack right as he wastes all that larvae you win.
On January 27 2012 07:10 Jampackedeon wrote: Polt has to play the most un-gratifying style of Terran on the planet. His games never teach me anything other than that marines are really annoying.
His games show the power of timings and how to intuit them. Even his sloppy micro this game doesn't matter because he is always hitting Stephano when he's weakest. And that's pretty incredible considering that he is never scanning to see the tech.
On January 27 2012 07:10 Jampackedeon wrote: Polt has to play the most un-gratifying style of Terran on the planet. His games never teach me anything other than that marines are really annoying.
Polt's sense of timing and bio control is arguably the best in the world - it's why he can consistently beat MMA using bio.
On January 27 2012 07:10 Jampackedeon wrote: Polt has to play the most un-gratifying style of Terran on the planet. His games never teach me anything other than that marines are really annoying.
As terran, Polt's games are the easiest to learn from. x) ( Polt stream is one of the best to learn terran, even if polt don't commentate ) I guess the two idea have are tied.
On January 27 2012 07:12 JohnMatrix wrote: stephano is playing since 2pm cet something like that.
It's 7:13am in korea right now, which means polt has been playing all through the night.
hm but if he enters in this cup he knew it could end late.
btw too bad Polt only try cheese build I hope we will see some macro games
Well, of course he knew he would play late. The point is, playing all night like that is a lot harder than starting at 2pm, which is mid afternoon, since you implied stephano would be tired. He can't be more tired than polt.
On January 27 2012 07:10 Jampackedeon wrote: Polt has to play the most un-gratifying style of Terran on the planet. His games never teach me anything other than that marines are really annoying.
Polt's sense of timing and bio control is arguably the best in the world - it's why he can consistently beat MMA using bio.
Which is why he eventually gets crushed when his "sense of timing" is ever off, especially when skilled macro/tactical players like MMA and Stephano catch on. Ultimately he can only go up so far on the ladder playing the way he does.
On January 27 2012 07:10 Jampackedeon wrote: Polt has to play the most un-gratifying style of Terran on the planet. His games never teach me anything other than that marines are really annoying.
Then your understanding of how terran works is fundamentally flawed. He has very precisely thought out builds that account for every stage of the game. Has insane understanding of timings and positioning. And to boot has top level mechanics out there. I've gotten to high masters using almost nothing but his builds.
On January 27 2012 07:10 Jampackedeon wrote: Polt has to play the most un-gratifying style of Terran on the planet. His games never teach me anything other than that marines are really annoying.
Polt's sense of timing and bio control is arguably the best in the world - it's why he can consistently beat MMA using bio.
Which is why he eventually gets crushed when his "sense of timing" is ever off, especially when skilled macro/tactical players like MMA and Stephano catch on. Ultimately he can only go up so far on the ladder playing the way he does.
Nothing's higher than #1 GM (which he was for 5 days).
Polt has better micro and tactics than MMA, which is why he beats MMA most of the time and it's close whenever MMA wins. MMA has a larger assortment of builds and gets far more aggressive.
On January 27 2012 07:10 Jampackedeon wrote: Polt has to play the most un-gratifying style of Terran on the planet. His games never teach me anything other than that marines are really annoying.
Polt's sense of timing and bio control is arguably the best in the world - it's why he can consistently beat MMA using bio.
Which is why he eventually gets crushed when his "sense of timing" is ever off, especially when skilled macro/tactical players like MMA and Stephano catch on. Ultimately he can only go up so far on the ladder playing the way he does.
Nothing's higher than #1 GM.
Polt has better micro and tactics than MMA, which is why he beats MMA most of the time and it's close whenever MMA wins.
It's pretty obvious those comments were made with little to no knowledge on of the player.
2 2, interesting final, last game was a nice win by Stephano. Both have been playing for hours now (Stephano is around 40 games played today ), so we will see who has the most endurance
Meh, I don't see Stephano win against a terran on this map =/
On January 27 2012 07:10 Jampackedeon wrote: Polt has to play the most un-gratifying style of Terran on the planet. His games never teach me anything other than that marines are really annoying.
Polt's sense of timing and bio control is arguably the best in the world - it's why he can consistently beat MMA using bio.
Which is why he eventually gets crushed when his "sense of timing" is ever off, especially when skilled macro/tactical players like MMA and Stephano catch on. Ultimately he can only go up so far on the ladder playing the way he does.
Nothing's higher than #1 GM.
Polt has better micro and tactics than MMA, which is why he beats MMA most of the time and it's close whenever MMA wins.
It's pretty obvious those comments were made with little to no knowledge on of the player.
I think my knowledge of both players is more than sufficient, thank you.
On January 27 2012 07:10 Jampackedeon wrote: Polt has to play the most un-gratifying style of Terran on the planet. His games never teach me anything other than that marines are really annoying.
Polt's sense of timing and bio control is arguably the best in the world - it's why he can consistently beat MMA using bio.
Which is why he eventually gets crushed when his "sense of timing" is ever off, especially when skilled macro/tactical players like MMA and Stephano catch on. Ultimately he can only go up so far on the ladder playing the way he does.
Nothing's higher than #1 GM.
Polt has better micro and tactics than MMA, which is why he beats MMA most of the time and it's close whenever MMA wins.
It's pretty obvious those comments were made with little to no knowledge on of the player.
I think my knowledge of both players is more than sufficient, thank you.
This is becoming somewhat spammy, but I was referring to the guy you were responding to initially. As in, I agreed with you.
On January 27 2012 07:10 Jampackedeon wrote: Polt has to play the most un-gratifying style of Terran on the planet. His games never teach me anything other than that marines are really annoying.
Polt's sense of timing and bio control is arguably the best in the world - it's why he can consistently beat MMA using bio.
Which is why he eventually gets crushed when his "sense of timing" is ever off, especially when skilled macro/tactical players like MMA and Stephano catch on. Ultimately he can only go up so far on the ladder playing the way he does.
Nothing's higher than #1 GM.
Polt has better micro and tactics than MMA, which is why he beats MMA most of the time and it's close whenever MMA wins.
It's pretty obvious those comments were made with little to no knowledge on of the player.
I think my knowledge of both players is more than sufficient, thank you.
This is becoming somewhat spammy, but I was referring to the guy you were responding to initially. As in, I agreed with you.
On January 27 2012 07:10 Jampackedeon wrote: Polt has to play the most un-gratifying style of Terran on the planet. His games never teach me anything other than that marines are really annoying.
Polt's sense of timing and bio control is arguably the best in the world - it's why he can consistently beat MMA using bio.
Which is why he eventually gets crushed when his "sense of timing" is ever off, especially when skilled macro/tactical players like MMA and Stephano catch on. Ultimately he can only go up so far on the ladder playing the way he does.
Timing is a large part of what constitutes 'strategy' in RTS games. Funny enough, Stephano is a player with a great sense of timing - that last game is a perfect example. Do you think if Stephano waited a couple more minutes for Polt to mule up on his 3rd base, and finish adding reactors to his barracks, that the midgame would have gone in his favor? Stephano knew Polt was macro'ing up, and attacked at just the right time.
On January 27 2012 07:33 Ylrahc wrote: NICE hold by Stephano :o Now he can win this, I thought Polt would have tried tank abuse.
That was a really impressive hold, I really didn't think Stephano would have enough. Polt might still try to pressure with tanks, but in those positions it's not as strong because it's much easier to get a surround and cut off reinforcements.
On January 27 2012 07:10 Jampackedeon wrote: Polt has to play the most un-gratifying style of Terran on the planet. His games never teach me anything other than that marines are really annoying.
Then your understanding of how terran works is fundamentally flawed. He has very precisely thought out builds that account for every stage of the game. Has insane understanding of timings and positioning. And to boot has top level mechanics out there. I've gotten to high masters using almost nothing but his builds.
And I think we see with these games that there is a ceiling to using timing attacks as well, I believe the better player won today.
gg Stephano. The first hold was impressive. Polt overxtended himself a bit by taking this third with an orbital. Not enough unit to defend the two entrance, and he got caught ensieged.
On January 27 2012 07:10 Jampackedeon wrote: Polt has to play the most un-gratifying style of Terran on the planet. His games never teach me anything other than that marines are really annoying.
Then your understanding of how terran works is fundamentally flawed. He has very precisely thought out builds that account for every stage of the game. Has insane understanding of timings and positioning. And to boot has top level mechanics out there. I've gotten to high masters using almost nothing but his builds.
And I think we see with these games that there is a ceiling to using timing attacks as well, I believe the better player won today.
You mean the player who used timings attacks just like his opponent? What a hypocrite.
Same prize money for first and second (no monitor for 2nd place), but both players still showed nice games. Polt definitely didn't show his best, but it's understandable. GGs, would be nice to have an English stream next time!
On January 27 2012 07:10 Jampackedeon wrote: Polt has to play the most un-gratifying style of Terran on the planet. His games never teach me anything other than that marines are really annoying.
Then your understanding of how terran works is fundamentally flawed. He has very precisely thought out builds that account for every stage of the game. Has insane understanding of timings and positioning. And to boot has top level mechanics out there. I've gotten to high masters using almost nothing but his builds.
And I think we see with these games that there is a ceiling to using timing attacks as well, I believe the better player won today.
No, we haven't. You saw a Polt at 7:39 AM playing with the ridiculous KR->EU lag barely lose 3-2 to a foreigner warmed up from todays cups, playing on his own server for no latency, feet resting in his team house.
On January 27 2012 07:10 Jampackedeon wrote: Polt has to play the most un-gratifying style of Terran on the planet. His games never teach me anything other than that marines are really annoying.
Then your understanding of how terran works is fundamentally flawed. He has very precisely thought out builds that account for every stage of the game. Has insane understanding of timings and positioning. And to boot has top level mechanics out there. I've gotten to high masters using almost nothing but his builds.
And I think we see with these games that there is a ceiling to using timing attacks as well, I believe the better player won today.
No, we haven't. You saw a Polt at 7:39 AM playing with the ridiculous KR->EU lag barely lose 3-2 to a foreigner warmed up from todays cups, playing on his own server for no latency, feet resting in his team house.
Stephano has been playing nonstop since 11 AM in the morning, you can hardly say he was rested, he was probably as tired as Polt. However, lag does have an influence when a korean plays on EU servers.
Excellent last two games by Stephano nonetheless, the marauders / hellion push was extremly scary, and not many players would have hold it.
On January 27 2012 07:10 Jampackedeon wrote: Polt has to play the most un-gratifying style of Terran on the planet. His games never teach me anything other than that marines are really annoying.
Then your understanding of how terran works is fundamentally flawed. He has very precisely thought out builds that account for every stage of the game. Has insane understanding of timings and positioning. And to boot has top level mechanics out there. I've gotten to high masters using almost nothing but his builds.
And I think we see with these games that there is a ceiling to using timing attacks as well, I believe the better player won today.
No, we haven't. You saw a Polt at 7:39 AM playing with the ridiculous KR->EU lag barely lose 3-2 to a foreigner warmed up from todays cups, playing on his own server for no latency, feet resting in his team house.
Lag is 500ms max. If lag was that much high Polt would never played in european cup.
On January 27 2012 07:10 Jampackedeon wrote: Polt has to play the most un-gratifying style of Terran on the planet. His games never teach me anything other than that marines are really annoying.
Then your understanding of how terran works is fundamentally flawed. He has very precisely thought out builds that account for every stage of the game. Has insane understanding of timings and positioning. And to boot has top level mechanics out there. I've gotten to high masters using almost nothing but his builds.
And I think we see with these games that there is a ceiling to using timing attacks as well, I believe the better player won today.
No, we haven't. You saw a Polt at 7:39 AM playing with the ridiculous KR->EU lag barely lose 3-2 to a foreigner warmed up from todays cups, playing on his own server for no latency, feet resting in his team house.
Agreed. Which is why I never put any stock into online results, when koreans play with such bad lag. Kr-NA has more manageable lag, but KR-EU is basically unplayable as stated in TSL 3, when they listed it as a reason for all KR-EU games to be played on NA server.
On January 27 2012 07:10 Jampackedeon wrote: Polt has to play the most un-gratifying style of Terran on the planet. His games never teach me anything other than that marines are really annoying.
Then your understanding of how terran works is fundamentally flawed. He has very precisely thought out builds that account for every stage of the game. Has insane understanding of timings and positioning. And to boot has top level mechanics out there. I've gotten to high masters using almost nothing but his builds.
And I think we see with these games that there is a ceiling to using timing attacks as well, I believe the better player won today.
No, we haven't. You saw a Polt at 7:39 AM playing with the ridiculous KR->EU lag barely lose 3-2 to a foreigner warmed up from todays cups, playing on his own server for no latency, feet resting in his team house.
No need to go that far, but yeah, neither player played very well.
Clutch from Stephano to pull it out at the end though.
On January 27 2012 07:46 barny94 wrote: Don t worry Stephano is not Dumb. He knows what kind of victory this is. Live from his Twitter :
MillStephano Went 3-2 against Polt for the eizo cup, even if he played from korea on eu serv, it's still a small victory !
hopefully they meet at assembly so both are playing in same conditions
That I would like to see as well because I don't believe polt would lose to stephano when both are playing under the same conditions.
You won't find me disagreeing that they should meet on an even battlefield! My only complaint is on the STYLE of games, which (for me) affects the quality of them. Not on the quality of Polt as a player.
On January 27 2012 07:46 barny94 wrote: Don t worry Stephano is not Dumb. He knows what kind of victory this is. Live from his Twitter :
MillStephano Went 3-2 against Polt for the eizo cup, even if he played from korea on eu serv, it's still a small victory !
hopefully they meet at assembly so both are playing in same conditions
That I would like to see as well because I don't believe polt would lose to stephano when both are playing under the same conditions.
I'm not so sure. TvZ is arguably Polt's weakest matchup.
Either way, I think even the most diehard Korean fans accept by now that Stephano is around the level of upper-middle tier Korean progamers (i.e. guys like Taeja, Alive, Keen, Ryung, etc.). No shame in Polt losing, especially cross-server.
On January 27 2012 07:46 barny94 wrote: Don t worry Stephano is not Dumb. He knows what kind of victory this is. Live from his Twitter :
MillStephano Went 3-2 against Polt for the eizo cup, even if he played from korea on eu serv, it's still a small victory !
hopefully they meet at assembly so both are playing in same conditions
That I would like to see as well because I don't believe polt would lose to stephano when both are playing under the same conditions.
I'm not so sure. TvZ is arguably Polt's weakest matchup.
Either way, I think even the most diehard Korean fans accept by now that Stephano is around the level of upper-middle tier Korean progamers (i.e. guys like Taeja, Alive, Keen, Ryung, etc.). No shame in Polt losing, especially cross-server.
No, he's like low tier Kor progamer, like IdrA, Morrow, Kas, etc, They are all around people like "avenge's" level
Taeja, alive, Keen and Ryung are far above all foreigners EX 1: Taeja vs IdrA
On January 27 2012 07:10 Jampackedeon wrote: Polt has to play the most un-gratifying style of Terran on the planet. His games never teach me anything other than that marines are really annoying.
Then your understanding of how terran works is fundamentally flawed. He has very precisely thought out builds that account for every stage of the game. Has insane understanding of timings and positioning. And to boot has top level mechanics out there. I've gotten to high masters using almost nothing but his builds.
And I think we see with these games that there is a ceiling to using timing attacks as well, I believe the better player won today.
No, we haven't. You saw a Polt at 7:39 AM playing with the ridiculous KR->EU lag barely lose 3-2 to a foreigner warmed up from todays cups, playing on his own server for no latency, feet resting in his team house.
Lag is 500ms max. If lag was that much high Polt would never played in european cup.
lol yeah.. only 500ms. I don't know if you realize how hard it is to play with 500ms.
On January 27 2012 07:46 barny94 wrote: Don t worry Stephano is not Dumb. He knows what kind of victory this is. Live from his Twitter :
MillStephano Went 3-2 against Polt for the eizo cup, even if he played from korea on eu serv, it's still a small victory !
hopefully they meet at assembly so both are playing in same conditions
That I would like to see as well because I don't believe polt would lose to stephano when both are playing under the same conditions.
well it will only depends on the mapool I think, shattered and metaloplis air close position are highly terran favour (and we have seen this clearly in their games). its quite harsh to say Stephano would have zero chances to win.
On January 27 2012 07:10 Jampackedeon wrote: Polt has to play the most un-gratifying style of Terran on the planet. His games never teach me anything other than that marines are really annoying.
Then your understanding of how terran works is fundamentally flawed. He has very precisely thought out builds that account for every stage of the game. Has insane understanding of timings and positioning. And to boot has top level mechanics out there. I've gotten to high masters using almost nothing but his builds.
And I think we see with these games that there is a ceiling to using timing attacks as well, I believe the better player won today.
No, we haven't. You saw a Polt at 7:39 AM playing with the ridiculous KR->EU lag barely lose 3-2 to a foreigner warmed up from todays cups, playing on his own server for no latency, feet resting in his team house.
Lag is 500ms max. If lag was that much high Polt would never played in european cup.
I know it takes like 5 clicks to micro zerg (dropping units around the army, target units with baneling, throw fungal)
But you actually have to target fire with tanks and split to get away from fungal as terran
On January 27 2012 07:46 barny94 wrote: Don t worry Stephano is not Dumb. He knows what kind of victory this is. Live from his Twitter :
MillStephano Went 3-2 against Polt for the eizo cup, even if he played from korea on eu serv, it's still a small victory !
hopefully they meet at assembly so both are playing in same conditions
That I would like to see as well because I don't believe polt would lose to stephano when both are playing under the same conditions.
I'm not so sure. TvZ is arguably Polt's weakest matchup.
Either way, I think even the most diehard Korean fans accept by now that Stephano is around the level of upper-middle tier Korean progamers (i.e. guys like Taeja, Alive, Keen, Ryung, etc.). No shame in Polt losing, especially cross-server.
No, he's like low tier Kor progamer, like IdrA, Morrow, Kas, etc, They are all around people like "avenge's" level
Taeja, alive, Keen and Ryung are far above all foreigners EX 1: Taeja vs IdrA
Well Stephano is a class above IdrA Morrow or Kas atm, he shows it every second day... I don't know where that puts him on a Korean ladder, but upper-middle tier Korean pros sounds fine And it's more or less backed up by his results at the GSL Blizz Cup and on the ladder in Korea, high tier koreans give him a rough time (MVP, MC) but he is more or less even against many others.
On January 27 2012 07:46 barny94 wrote: Don t worry Stephano is not Dumb. He knows what kind of victory this is. Live from his Twitter :
MillStephano Went 3-2 against Polt for the eizo cup, even if he played from korea on eu serv, it's still a small victory !
hopefully they meet at assembly so both are playing in same conditions
That I would like to see as well because I don't believe polt would lose to stephano when both are playing under the same conditions.
I'm not so sure. TvZ is arguably Polt's weakest matchup.
Either way, I think even the most diehard Korean fans accept by now that Stephano is around the level of upper-middle tier Korean progamers (i.e. guys like Taeja, Alive, Keen, Ryung, etc.). No shame in Polt losing, especially cross-server.
No, he's like low tier Kor progamer, like IdrA, Morrow, Kas, etc, They are all around people like "avenge's" level
Taeja, alive, Keen and Ryung are far above all foreigners EX 1: Taeja vs IdrA
Well Stephano is a class above IdrA Morrow or Kas atm, he shows it every second day... I don't know where that puts him on a Korean ladder, but upper-middle tier Korean pros sounds fine (and it's more or less backed up by his results at the GSL Blizz Cup and on the ladder in Korea, high tier koreans give him a rough time (MVP, MC) but he is more or less even against many others.
TvZ IdrA is better, Zvz I don't know, think Stephano better, ZvP stephano better
On January 27 2012 07:46 barny94 wrote: Don t worry Stephano is not Dumb. He knows what kind of victory this is. Live from his Twitter :
MillStephano Went 3-2 against Polt for the eizo cup, even if he played from korea on eu serv, it's still a small victory !
hopefully they meet at assembly so both are playing in same conditions
That I would like to see as well because I don't believe polt would lose to stephano when both are playing under the same conditions.
I'm not so sure. TvZ is arguably Polt's weakest matchup.
Either way, I think even the most diehard Korean fans accept by now that Stephano is around the level of upper-middle tier Korean progamers (i.e. guys like Taeja, Alive, Keen, Ryung, etc.). No shame in Polt losing, especially cross-server.
No, he's like low tier Kor progamer, like IdrA, Morrow, Kas, etc, They are all around people like "avenge's" level
Taeja, alive, Keen and Ryung are far above all foreigners EX 1: Taeja vs IdrA
Well Stephano is a class above IdrA Morrow or Kas atm, he shows it every second day... I don't know where that puts him on a Korean ladder, but upper-middle tier Korean pros sounds fine (and it's more or less backed up by his results at the GSL Blizz Cup and on the ladder in Korea, high tier koreans give him a rough time (MVP, MC) but he is more or less even against many others.
TvZ IdrA is better, Zvz I don't know, think Stephano better, ZvP stephano better
Edit: His results werent backed up at blizzard cup, he beat DRG in a ZvZ (who has arguably low zvz) and he beat Hero (...yeah)
On January 27 2012 07:46 barny94 wrote: Don t worry Stephano is not Dumb. He knows what kind of victory this is. Live from his Twitter :
MillStephano Went 3-2 against Polt for the eizo cup, even if he played from korea on eu serv, it's still a small victory !
hopefully they meet at assembly so both are playing in same conditions
That I would like to see as well because I don't believe polt would lose to stephano when both are playing under the same conditions.
I'm not so sure. TvZ is arguably Polt's weakest matchup.
Either way, I think even the most diehard Korean fans accept by now that Stephano is around the level of upper-middle tier Korean progamers (i.e. guys like Taeja, Alive, Keen, Ryung, etc.). No shame in Polt losing, especially cross-server.
No, he's like low tier Kor progamer, like IdrA, Morrow, Kas, etc, They are all around people like "avenge's" level
Taeja, alive, Keen and Ryung are far above all foreigners EX 1: Taeja vs IdrA
i get your point but.....no. Stephano is vastly superior to idra,morrow and kas,as for his level compared to koreans,without taking his kr ladder time into consideration(where he proved he could easily win but eh thats ladder),the only tournament we can observe is blizzard cup: won vs hero and drg,lost vs mc and mvp. that clearly points towards upper-middle tier. oh btw,kas is also better than idra.
Stephano wasn't playing great, but it was nice to see him with a lot of different openings. Ling+infestor, roach, muta. It will make it much harder for his opponents in the future.
On January 27 2012 07:46 barny94 wrote: Don t worry Stephano is not Dumb. He knows what kind of victory this is. Live from his Twitter :
MillStephano Went 3-2 against Polt for the eizo cup, even if he played from korea on eu serv, it's still a small victory !
hopefully they meet at assembly so both are playing in same conditions
That I would like to see as well because I don't believe polt would lose to stephano when both are playing under the same conditions.
I'm not so sure. TvZ is arguably Polt's weakest matchup.
Either way, I think even the most diehard Korean fans accept by now that Stephano is around the level of upper-middle tier Korean progamers (i.e. guys like Taeja, Alive, Keen, Ryung, etc.). No shame in Polt losing, especially cross-server.
No, he's like low tier Kor progamer, like IdrA, Morrow, Kas, etc, They are all around people like "avenge's" level
Taeja, alive, Keen and Ryung are far above all foreigners EX 1: Taeja vs IdrA
I actually don't rate ryung that high myself. I've been calling him the Inca of terran for a long time cause he's a TvT specialist to me. His TvZ is nothing special as I remember him playing pretty bad against july zerg. His TvP relies on 1-1-1 timings like puma and I remember him playing ridiculous 20 min 1 base games against Puzzle.
On January 27 2012 07:46 barny94 wrote: Don t worry Stephano is not Dumb. He knows what kind of victory this is. Live from his Twitter :
MillStephano Went 3-2 against Polt for the eizo cup, even if he played from korea on eu serv, it's still a small victory !
hopefully they meet at assembly so both are playing in same conditions
That I would like to see as well because I don't believe polt would lose to stephano when both are playing under the same conditions.
I'm not so sure. TvZ is arguably Polt's weakest matchup.
Either way, I think even the most diehard Korean fans accept by now that Stephano is around the level of upper-middle tier Korean progamers (i.e. guys like Taeja, Alive, Keen, Ryung, etc.). No shame in Polt losing, especially cross-server.
No, he's like low tier Kor progamer, like IdrA, Morrow, Kas, etc, They are all around people like "avenge's" level
Taeja, alive, Keen and Ryung are far above all foreigners EX 1: Taeja vs IdrA
i get your point but.....no. Stephano is vastly superior to idra,morrow and kas,as for his level compared to koreans,without taking his kr ladder time into consideration(where he proved he could easily win but eh thats ladder),the only tournament we can observe is blizzard cup: won vs hero and drg,lost vs mc and mvp. that clearly points towards upper-middle tier. oh btw,kas is also better than idra.
We also have home story where stephano went 0-6 against, sound, mkp and mc.
On January 27 2012 07:46 barny94 wrote: Don t worry Stephano is not Dumb. He knows what kind of victory this is. Live from his Twitter :
MillStephano Went 3-2 against Polt for the eizo cup, even if he played from korea on eu serv, it's still a small victory !
hopefully they meet at assembly so both are playing in same conditions
That I would like to see as well because I don't believe polt would lose to stephano when both are playing under the same conditions.
I'm not so sure. TvZ is arguably Polt's weakest matchup.
Either way, I think even the most diehard Korean fans accept by now that Stephano is around the level of upper-middle tier Korean progamers (i.e. guys like Taeja, Alive, Keen, Ryung, etc.). No shame in Polt losing, especially cross-server.
No, he's like low tier Kor progamer, like IdrA, Morrow, Kas, etc, They are all around people like "avenge's" level
Taeja, alive, Keen and Ryung are far above all foreigners EX 1: Taeja vs IdrA
i get your point but.....no. Stephano is vastly superior to idra,morrow and kas,as for his level compared to koreans,without taking his kr ladder time into consideration(where he proved he could easily win but eh thats ladder),the only tournament we can observe is blizzard cup: won vs hero and drg,lost vs mc and mvp. that clearly points towards upper-middle tier. oh btw,kas is also better than idra.
I don't care whether Kas is bterr then Idra or Idra kas
Code S > top code A > Stephano, Idra, Naniwa, Huk etc > Mid Code A > Code B > Foreigners
On January 27 2012 07:46 barny94 wrote: Don t worry Stephano is not Dumb. He knows what kind of victory this is. Live from his Twitter :
MillStephano Went 3-2 against Polt for the eizo cup, even if he played from korea on eu serv, it's still a small victory !
hopefully they meet at assembly so both are playing in same conditions
That I would like to see as well because I don't believe polt would lose to stephano when both are playing under the same conditions.
I'm not so sure. TvZ is arguably Polt's weakest matchup.
Either way, I think even the most diehard Korean fans accept by now that Stephano is around the level of upper-middle tier Korean progamers (i.e. guys like Taeja, Alive, Keen, Ryung, etc.). No shame in Polt losing, especially cross-server.
No, he's like low tier Kor progamer, like IdrA, Morrow, Kas, etc, They are all around people like "avenge's" level
Taeja, alive, Keen and Ryung are far above all foreigners EX 1: Taeja vs IdrA
I actually don't rate ryung that high myself. I've been calling him the Inca of terran for a long time cause he's a TvT specialist to me. His TvZ is nothing special as I remember him playing pretty bad against july zerg. His TvP relies on 1-1-1 timings like puma and I remember him playing ridiculous 20 min 1 base games against Puzzle.
yeah Slayers T generally have weak TvP, except for Taeja
We also have home story where stephano went 0-6 against, sound, mkp and mc.
I'd rate Stephano far above Idra, Morrow, especially Kas. I just don't understand what's so impressive about a guy's macro when he only masses two or three types of units, rarely harasses while playing extremely greedy, and pushes out with his entire army. It's the Bomber effect, when he masses marines without many medivacs thereby not needing much gas, and just pumps marine after marine. I'm sure the SQ is extremely high, but it's not an effective way to play. Yeah, the army looks gigantic...so what?
Honestly, I don't think there is a foreigner close to Stephano's level right now. And, I'm not even close to a Stephano fanboy.
stephano is fucking good but i thought it's still strange to see polt who's main hook is his battle control and micro barely micro his units in what is essentially an all in..
On January 27 2012 07:46 barny94 wrote: Don t worry Stephano is not Dumb. He knows what kind of victory this is. Live from his Twitter :
MillStephano Went 3-2 against Polt for the eizo cup, even if he played from korea on eu serv, it's still a small victory !
hopefully they meet at assembly so both are playing in same conditions
That I would like to see as well because I don't believe polt would lose to stephano when both are playing under the same conditions.
I'm not so sure. TvZ is arguably Polt's weakest matchup.
Either way, I think even the most diehard Korean fans accept by now that Stephano is around the level of upper-middle tier Korean progamers (i.e. guys like Taeja, Alive, Keen, Ryung, etc.). No shame in Polt losing, especially cross-server.
No, he's like low tier Kor progamer, like IdrA, Morrow, Kas, etc, They are all around people like "avenge's" level
Taeja, alive, Keen and Ryung are far above all foreigners EX 1: Taeja vs IdrA
i get your point but.....no. Stephano is vastly superior to idra,morrow and kas,as for his level compared to koreans,without taking his kr ladder time into consideration(where he proved he could easily win but eh thats ladder),the only tournament we can observe is blizzard cup: won vs hero and drg,lost vs mc and mvp. that clearly points towards upper-middle tier. oh btw,kas is also better than idra.
I don't care whether Kas is bterr then Idra or Idra kas
Code S > top code A > Stephano, Idra, Naniwa, Huk etc > Mid Code A > Code B > Foreigners
That's your opinion, that doesn't make it a fact. Besides we all know how volatile Code A / S is, so well...
HSC was arguably THE bad result for Stephano in january, he just came back from Korea (his plane landed hours before he started playing), eager to see his family and probably not in the mood to play but more to enjoy some quality time. Still, his result was descent. Apart from that, he crushes best europeans left and right without breaking a sweat, with a random loss here and there because you can't win everything.
And still, many say he is a hype, he is overrated, etc. Hell sure, he hasn't the level to win a GSL, but come on, his results are better than ANY other non-korean player (at least $$$ wise, and arguably palmares wise as well), he HAS shown consistensy since late summer 2011 (check his liquidpedia page) with some downs here and there, like any other players except the very best, and still he deserves the cold treatment, "sorry, not that good". I don't get it
Anyway, not really the place to remake a beaten to death argument, so wp Stephano & Polt, and thanks for the german casting, I enjoyed it and actually was able to understand some of it
On January 27 2012 08:14 GreyKnight wrote: stephano is fucking good but i thought it's still strange to see polt who's main hook is his battle control and micro barely micro his units in what is essentially an all in..
I imagine that Polt, awake at 7:30 a.m. in Korea, preferred to do builds that would end the games quickly. It was uncharacteristic to see so many early pressure builds in a BO5.
What makes Stephano the best foreigner isn't the money earned, nor the APM, style, strategies, etc. It's his mental power. He just doesn't give a fuck who he's playing. All other foreigners (maybe Dimaga is an exception, but sometimes I don't get him) shit their pants when playing Koreans...
Seeing as half the players in Code S end up in Code A immediately anyway is Code S/top Code A not a bit of a meaningless distinction? Either way, to me Stephano is clearly head and shoulders above any other foreigner right now, especially with the likes of Huk, Thorzain and NaNiwa looking not quite at their best at the moment.
On January 27 2012 07:46 barny94 wrote: Don t worry Stephano is not Dumb. He knows what kind of victory this is. Live from his Twitter :
MillStephano Went 3-2 against Polt for the eizo cup, even if he played from korea on eu serv, it's still a small victory !
hopefully they meet at assembly so both are playing in same conditions
That I would like to see as well because I don't believe polt would lose to stephano when both are playing under the same conditions.
I'm not so sure. TvZ is arguably Polt's weakest matchup.
Either way, I think even the most diehard Korean fans accept by now that Stephano is around the level of upper-middle tier Korean progamers (i.e. guys like Taeja, Alive, Keen, Ryung, etc.). No shame in Polt losing, especially cross-server.
No, he's like low tier Kor progamer, like IdrA, Morrow, Kas, etc, They are all around people like "avenge's" level
Taeja, alive, Keen and Ryung are far above all foreigners EX 1: Taeja vs IdrA
stephano rapes players like losira etc...
he is slightly above S-class, so he's between BW Pros like Jaedong, Flash, Bisu and Sc2 S Class (MMa, MK) EX 1: MMA vs Flash
Ugh so sour for STW. Sick run nonetheless, especially the ZvZ. Taking out Dimaga, Symbol and almost taking down Nerchio in the final. Well played, hope to see more of you!