When: Thursday, Dec 15 1:00am GMT (GMT+00:00) (we will also have a European re-broadcast as usual at Thursday, Dec 15 5:30pm GMT (GMT+00:00))
Format
This double-elimination tournament features 8 teams from around the world and is an All-Kill team format. This match is being played for Winners Round 2. The first team to defeat everyone on the opposing team's roster (5 wins, or a best of 9), will move on in the Winners Bracket, while the loser will drop down into the Losers Bracket. Keep in mind that this has a $10,000 prize pool, and only three teams will make it to the money!
SlayerS is the most dominant team from our weekly team king of the hill, Team Arena Challenge. They went 5-1 against Dignitas in Winners Round 1. Will they be just as dominant here against Mouz? Mousesports has a roster full of tournament winners and players that have experience playing in South Korea. They also dispatched Millenium with relative ease. Here are their full rosters:
Mousesports HasuObs MaNa MorroW biGs ThorZaIN HeRoMaRinE
SlayerS BoxeR Lots Dragon GanZi MMA Ryung TaeJa Clide Cella YuGiOh Golden Min CoCa Miya Alicia Brown Crank Puzzle SocceR
The First Game of the IPL Team Arena Challenge is on Thursday, Dec 15 1:00am GMT (GMT+00:00) (we will also have a European re-broadcast as usual at Thursday, Dec 15 5:30pm GMT (GMT+00:00))
Xel'Naga Caverns Metalopolis Shakuras Plateau Crevasse Tal Darim Altar Dual Sight Xel'Naga Fortress Terminus Shattered Temple Daybreak Antiga Shipyard
The first map will be on a set rotation, and then it is loser's pick.
Casters
This week's games will be commentated by CatsPajamas, HDStarCraft, and/or PainUser
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On December 15 2011 02:07 nokz88 wrote: The only team Slayers respects enough to field their best players. Mouz is one badass team just for that alone.
uhh that info comes from where? Yah I thought so.. You. You really think if they played EG they would play pure B teamers? Huk/Idra/Puma would slap most of them around.
On December 15 2011 02:07 nokz88 wrote: The only team Slayers respects enough to field their best players. Mouz is one badass team just for that alone.
uhh that info comes from where? Yah I thought so.. You. You really think if they played EG they would play pure B teamers? Huk/Idra/Puma would slap most of them around.
From Team Arena. Against teams like Liquid, Millenium, Acer, and aTn, Slayers played their B-team. Only against mouz did they send out the A-team. I would not say that Mouz is the only team that Slayers would field the A-team against, but one of the few.
As for EG, of course Slayers is not going to field the B-team against their practice team, but players like Golden and Crank could hold their own against EG's best players (not necessarily favored, but no landslide either) Problem with EG is that they have no depth: In a Bo9, they will have to be prepared to play someone that is not Idra, huk, puma or demuslim, such as Axslav or Strifecro or Incontrol, and quite frankly these players have little chance against the Koreans.
I actually enjoy seeing that Mouz's roster is so small. Somehow feels like fighting against the odds for them no matter what. Gonna be an interesting mach.
On December 15 2011 02:07 nokz88 wrote: The only team Slayers respects enough to field their best players. Mouz is one badass team just for that alone.
uhh that info comes from where? Yah I thought so.. You. You really think if they played EG they would play pure B teamers? Huk/Idra/Puma would slap most of them around.
That info comes directly from this very IPL team arena that I watch every week. And what's up with the hostility?
I expected more from a guy with 700+ posts. Did you spend all of them spamming EG fanclub?
Come on Mouz! D: It will be so difficult for them to win with such a small roster though, even if you ignore the fact that SlayerS is such a good team with so many strong players.
On December 15 2011 02:26 XskieS wrote: These were recorded very recently right?
Will we get to see the Proxy Thor Rush again?
They were played this morning! All of the series from here out in the tournament will be super duper fresh, as we wrap up with the grand finals in just over a week.
On December 15 2011 02:26 XskieS wrote: These were recorded very recently right?
Will we get to see the Proxy Thor Rush again?
They were played this morning! All of the series from here out in the tournament will be super duper fresh, as we wrap up with the grand finals in just over a week.
That's actually the best news I've heard all day. You guys rock.
On December 15 2011 02:26 XskieS wrote: These were recorded very recently right?
Will we get to see the Proxy Thor Rush again?
They were played this morning! All of the series from here out in the tournament will be super duper fresh, as we wrap up with the grand finals in just over a week.
This morning, huh? Than I guess we won't be seeing MMA play, since I would assume he would be spending all his time preparing for MVP and Blizzard Cup. Still might see Ganzi, since he has no Up/Downs to prepare for, as well as Puzzle.
On December 15 2011 02:26 XskieS wrote: These were recorded very recently right?
Will we get to see the Proxy Thor Rush again?
They were played this morning! All of the series from here out in the tournament will be super duper fresh, as we wrap up with the grand finals in just over a week.
That's actually the best news I've heard all day. You guys rock.
On December 15 2011 04:46 Catatonic wrote: Slayers can team kill Mouse with anyone of their guys an thats exactly what im gonna predict. 5-0 SlayerS ezpz
Yes, it worked soooo well with the all-kill last time they met
5-3 if they bring the A-Teamers like last time. Upset possible for mouz. 5-3 pretty doable for mouz if SlayerS only brings out B-Teamers
On December 15 2011 04:13 cHicKeLoR wrote: who is heromarine?
a 15 year old they recruited and have been training... he's pretty good, but no real results On a separate note... calling 5-3 SlayerS
14 year*
Hah respect dude. Im 15 and I cant get any further than high master tt, sick talent :D
On topic: Last time these 2 teams met it was 5-3 win for SlayerS, but they actually used A teamers and games were close, so should be a good show! Hopefully Mouz can push them a bit
On December 15 2011 02:26 XskieS wrote: These were recorded very recently right?
Will we get to see the Proxy Thor Rush again?
They were played this morning! All of the series from here out in the tournament will be super duper fresh, as we wrap up with the grand finals in just over a week.
If these games were played this morning, what's the series on IPL's youtube page between Mouz and Slayers posted 3 days ago? Was that for something else?
On December 15 2011 02:26 XskieS wrote: These were recorded very recently right?
Will we get to see the Proxy Thor Rush again?
They were played this morning! All of the series from here out in the tournament will be super duper fresh, as we wrap up with the grand finals in just over a week.
If these games were played this morning, what's the series on IPL's youtube page between Mouz and Slayers posted 3 days ago? Was that for something else?
On December 15 2011 02:26 XskieS wrote: These were recorded very recently right?
Will we get to see the Proxy Thor Rush again?
They were played this morning! All of the series from here out in the tournament will be super duper fresh, as we wrap up with the grand finals in just over a week.
If these games were played this morning, what's the series on IPL's youtube page between Mouz and Slayers posted 3 days ago? Was that for something else?
Extremely close on paper, should be good to watch, especially if the Mouz players bring their A-Game. I won't call anything because chances are that I'll be incredibly wrong ^-^"
I think 5-3 or 5-4 Slayers depending on when slayers decides to field a protoss. I refuse to believe Hasu isn't a gosu PvP king and that's why he's beaten HuK at two major tournaments.
If they field a Protoss after Hasu is out tho then 5-4 Slayers.
Mouze even has a chance of taking it but somebody has to get on a bit of a roll. Can't just go punch for punch with slayers.
On December 15 2011 02:26 XskieS wrote: These were recorded very recently right?
Will we get to see the Proxy Thor Rush again?
They were played this morning! All of the series from here out in the tournament will be super duper fresh, as we wrap up with the grand finals in just over a week.
This morning, huh? Than I guess we won't be seeing MMA play, since I would assume he would be spending all his time preparing for MVP and Blizzard Cup. Still might see Ganzi, since he has no Up/Downs to prepare for, as well as Puzzle.
Ganzi prepping MMA I'd guess. I'd like me some Puzzle tho!
On December 15 2011 02:26 XskieS wrote: These were recorded very recently right?
Will we get to see the Proxy Thor Rush again?
They were played this morning! All of the series from here out in the tournament will be super duper fresh, as we wrap up with the grand finals in just over a week.
This morning, huh? Than I guess we won't be seeing MMA play, since I would assume he would be spending all his time preparing for MVP and Blizzard Cup. Still might see Ganzi, since he has no Up/Downs to prepare for, as well as Puzzle.
Ganzi prepping MMA I'd guess. I'd like me some Puzzle tho!
Honestly though, I would expect to see Slayers open with Golden or Crank, or maybe Brown. Golden and Crank may be B-teamers, but they are still capable of taking down any of Mouz's roster. We might see Puzzle and Alicia as well.
I will say that last time they met, Morrow played extremely well, taking out Ryung and Lots. Thorzain is a very strong player and him beating Coca was not an upset.
Here's how I see it: It will depend on guys like Hasuobs, Mana, and Morrow to make kills and weaken the Slayers juggernaut. Very few people in the world can all-kill Slayers if Slayers takes it seriously, and they will take this match seriously. Thorzain can get a kill or two, but probably no more than that, so he needs team support.
Slayers just needs to play safe: Take this team as a legitimate threat, and do not hesitate to use even the top A-teamers. Slayers' zerg lineup is relatively weak with the loss of Coca and Sleep, so save Golden, and do not throw him out needlessly. Slayers has much more depth, so it can play a game of attrition and snipe down Mouz's major players (sorry bigs).
I think it depends heavilly on if slayers can (and i believe this is the case) chose ANY1 from their roster at ANY time (ie they don't have to "declare" to ipl admins their 5 possible players pre-clan war- if this were the case they may lose due to over-confidence). They will, most probably start off by fielding their B team; depending on the results they might get a little shock (0-2ish) and bring out the big guns. Regardless; Slayers has to be called the favourites and should take this. However I will predict a 5-4 for Mouz because; foreigners fighting~~ xd. I think that Mouz's biggest problems will be the insanely high level of TvT that slayers can bring to the board. The other match ups can go either way; but I can imagine thorzain unable to take more than 1 game- something that Mouz will be relying on rather heavilly IMO. (Slayers will just send in 1 of their many tvt bosses to snipe him...). Although Slayers being Slayers, they pose a threat in any match up... On a side note: I'd love to see Dragon play; his stream/ physical reaction to things are just awesome In any case this is a great match up to situate (yet again...) where foreigners match up to the top koreans... I'm really looking forward to this particular venue since, well, come on people its freaking Slayers vs Mouz xD. Just an awesome event in general and I personally really enjoy listening to hd/painuser (nothing against cats, i just don't think he's as good, but thats probably just a personal preference thing; Keep ''em comin'!
Also would love to see his highness play, but im sure the emperor won't make an appearance before the finals ;o.
As much as I love SlayerS, and MMA too. I want Thorzain to all-kill. Do it T-zain! I figure SlayerS would be proud if Thorzain managed something like that since he stayed and trained with them not too long ago.
On December 15 2011 09:35 aintz wrote: no member of mouz is capable of a all-kill of slayers....
If qxc can all-kill IM, any member of mouz can all-kill SlayerS. It's just that it'll happen once in 200 matches. And 200 is probably even an understatement.
On December 15 2011 09:35 aintz wrote: no member of mouz is capable of a all-kill of slayers....
Well, if someone can beat Taeja, one of mouzes Protosses could, with a bit of luck, all-kill Slayers. MMA and Ryung arent that good against P, Coca is not there and European PvP is pretty good. But they will need a lot of luck to do this.
Puzzle out first? SlayerS not messing around, showing again that they are rating mouz high enough to bring out the big guns to deal with mousesports =)
Mouz definatly one of the stronger foreign teams, <3 morrow and thorzain. Cant see them taking down slayers though, hopefully the games will be good. Also can bring myself to cheer against the Emperors team, so im hoping for a slayers win, but i want it to be close.
On December 15 2011 10:20 aurum510 wrote: Is Morrow in Korea right now or something? Why would he play at such a disadvantage? Why not play on NA server where they both have some lag?
On December 15 2011 10:20 Pajegetc wrote: Doesn't Morrow have the strongest ZvP in Europe? This should be good.
He used to, I haven't seen a lot of him lately except by his NASL appearance where he 3-0ed MaNa. Guess he's still pretty decent, but maybe Stephano is better nowadays.
I remember that Morrow is going to be allowed to race pick in his upcoming GSL run from some thread, but then I read GSL rules stating that "- You must play with the race you registered with (Terran, Protoss, Zerg, Random)." Are they going to make an exception for him?
On December 15 2011 10:35 Shellshock1122 wrote: oh wow. they sent out puzzle first? Slayers must have seen MVP used in QIM's match and were like ok time to bust out the big guns
It probably has more to do with the fact that the last time they met Mouz they only won like 5-4 or something, so they probably just don't want to underestimate them again.
On December 15 2011 10:37 anrimayu wrote: I remember that Morrow is going to be allowed to race pick in his upcoming GSL run from some thread, but then I read GSL rules stating that "- You must play with the race you registered with (Terran, Protoss, Zerg, Random)." Are they going to make an exception for him?
I think they just mean that before each match you have to say what race you are playing.
You can't switch races unexpectedly because your opponent needs to know what match up to prepare for.
On December 15 2011 10:37 anrimayu wrote: I remember that Morrow is going to be allowed to race pick in his upcoming GSL run from some thread, but then I read GSL rules stating that "- You must play with the race you registered with (Terran, Protoss, Zerg, Random)." Are they going to make an exception for him?
I think they just mean that before each match you have to say what race you are playing.
You can't switch races unexpectedly because your opponent needs to know what match up to prepare for.
I just hope everyone gets fully informed about it. I'm just sick of seeing any more misunderstandings from miscommunication.
On December 15 2011 02:07 nokz88 wrote: The only team Slayers respects enough to field their best players. Mouz is one badass team just for that alone.
uhh that info comes from where? Yah I thought so.. You. You really think if they played EG they would play pure B teamers? Huk/Idra/Puma would slap most of them around.
From Team Arena. Against teams like Liquid, Millenium, Acer, and aTn, Slayers played their B-team. Only against mouz did they send out the A-team. I would not say that Mouz is the only team that Slayers would field the A-team against, but one of the few.
As for EG, of course Slayers is not going to field the B-team against their practice team, but players like Golden and Crank could hold their own against EG's best players (not necessarily favored, but no landslide either) Problem with EG is that they have no depth: In a Bo9, they will have to be prepared to play someone that is not Idra, huk, puma or demuslim, such as Axslav or Strifecro or Incontrol, and quite frankly these players have little chance against the Koreans.
Oh my god, that was insanely impressive. Many terrans seem to be struggling in TvP right now, and Shakuras isn't really a good TvP map either. But he just demolished puzzle.
On December 15 2011 10:46 forgottendreams wrote: Puzzle saw his army comp, why make only archons and not save even one HT....
Im not sure why, but Puzzle didnt have storm at the first big engagement, HT would only be able to feedback, and thats not a sure thing by any means due to the ghosts. GG by thorzain though, he picked his fights really well there.
On December 15 2011 02:07 nokz88 wrote: The only team Slayers respects enough to field their best players. Mouz is one badass team just for that alone.
uhh that info comes from where? Yah I thought so.. You. You really think if they played EG they would play pure B teamers? Huk/Idra/Puma would slap most of them around.
From Team Arena. Against teams like Liquid, Millenium, Acer, and aTn, Slayers played their B-team. Only against mouz did they send out the A-team. I would not say that Mouz is the only team that Slayers would field the A-team against, but one of the few.
As for EG, of course Slayers is not going to field the B-team against their practice team, but players like Golden and Crank could hold their own against EG's best players (not necessarily favored, but no landslide either) Problem with EG is that they have no depth: In a Bo9, they will have to be prepared to play someone that is not Idra, huk, puma or demuslim, such as Axslav or Strifecro or Incontrol, and quite frankly these players have little chance against the Koreans.
On December 15 2011 10:59 Bagration wrote: Interesting...I wonder how Miya does. Obviously Slayers has confidence in him to put him against Thorzain.
They also know that ThorZain is weakest against Zerg.
His TvZ has been pretty strong lately, while his TvT has been weaker than usual.
well it was his worst matchup when he was in the Slayers' house.
Yeah, but it improved a lot when he was there. In the recent weeks he has beaten both morrow and stephano pretty convincingly.
When did he beat Stephano? I know in MSI Pro Cup #4 he lost 1-3 vs. Stephano in the finals. Did he face him off in a different tourney/event after that? As for Morrow, if you're talking about NASL, I think it was just a factor of knowing his teammate well and really abusing the mass helion attacks on Morrow. I think Thorzain's TvZ is good, but against really strong zergs like Sen, Stephano, Idra and other Code A/S Korean zergs, he'd have a difficult time.
At the very least, T-Zain will tie it up for Mouz. Whoever Miya is, just needs to improve on aggression and decision making. I think his passivity allowed Thorzain to really pick him apart for most of the game.
On December 15 2011 10:59 Bagration wrote: Interesting...I wonder how Miya does. Obviously Slayers has confidence in him to put him against Thorzain.
They also know that ThorZain is weakest against Zerg.
His TvZ has been pretty strong lately, while his TvT has been weaker than usual.
well it was his worst matchup when he was in the Slayers' house.
Yeah, but it improved a lot when he was there. In the recent weeks he has beaten both morrow and stephano pretty convincingly.
When did he beat Stephano? I know in MSI Pro Cup #4 he lost 1-3 vs. Stephano in the finals. Did he face him off in a different tourney/event after that? As for Morrow, if you're talking about NASL, I think it was just a factor of knowing his teammate well and really abusing the mass helion attacks on Morrow. I think Thorzain's TvZ is good, but against really strong zergs like Sen, Stephano, Idra and other Code A/S Korean zergs, he'd have a difficult time.
On December 15 2011 10:59 Bagration wrote: Interesting...I wonder how Miya does. Obviously Slayers has confidence in him to put him against Thorzain.
They also know that ThorZain is weakest against Zerg.
His TvZ has been pretty strong lately, while his TvT has been weaker than usual.
well it was his worst matchup when he was in the Slayers' house.
Yeah, but it improved a lot when he was there. In the recent weeks he has beaten both morrow and stephano pretty convincingly.
When did he beat Stephano? I know in MSI Pro Cup #4 he lost 1-3 vs. Stephano in the finals. Did he face him off in a different tourney/event after that? As for Morrow, if you're talking about NASL, I think it was just a factor of knowing his teammate well and really abusing the mass helion attacks on Morrow. I think Thorzain's TvZ is good, but against really strong zergs like Sen, Stephano, Idra and other Code A/S Korean zergs, he'd have a difficult time.
he beat him in the ipl teamleague, and also morrow and thorzain do not practice together really. Morrow mentioned before the tournament that he had learnt how to deffend Korean mass hellion openings by the nshoseo guys, don't really know what went wrong
Thorzain playing awesome so far. Loving this guys play even tho I'm a protoss, I don't know, his play just makes so much sense in every direction and detail, love that methodical style of him.
Ah thanks for the replies. I haven't watched IPL or anything by them since IPL 3. I just saw this on the TL calendar and when I saw Thorzain could play I had to tune in. Thanks for the info.
What kills ghosts? Lings, lots of em. But really have to catch them off guard with no support for it to work.
On December 15 2011 11:22 zestzorb wrote: What counter ghosts?
if you mean straight up unit composition ling bane is probably the best
I guess you're right, but when ghosts are a part of marine+tank army it's quite hard to connect the banes. Maybe zerg has to go for sth like ling+mutas+banedrops.
On December 15 2011 11:29 Zzoram wrote: He might've been prepared as a Thorzain sniper.
That or maybe SlayerS doesn't care too much and is willing to send less obvious choices. I figure most of the prominent SlayerS Terrans can give Tzain a run for his money. Taeja, MMA, Boxer, Ganzi, and Ryung I think can beat him. I actually would like to see Clide play.
On December 15 2011 11:29 Zzoram wrote: He might've been prepared as a Thorzain sniper.
That or maybe SlayerS doesn't care too much and is willing to send less obvious choices. I figure most of the prominent SlayerS Terrans can give Tzain a run for his money. Taeja, MMA, Boxer, Ganzi, and Ryung I think can beat him. I actually would like to see Clide play.
I really don't think Boxer would beat him.
MMA would but MMA has to prepare for his game against MVP which is more important.
At least one of Ganzi, Taeja and Ryung are probably being saved as their ace.
Pretty derp game there as both an Alicia and Thorzain fan. Shitty attack by Alicia followed by shitty attack by Thorzain followed by Alicia killing Thorzain xD
I think the reason why thorzain wasn't kiting was that since he had a ghost acadamy, he won't get so many medivacs, and if he kites, that means that his medivacs usually fall into the back and will get picked off.
Also, EMP rapes zealots, and if thorzain wouldn't have missed both EMPs, he would have easily cleaned up that army.
On December 15 2011 11:37 HolyArrow wrote: Pretty derp game there as both an Alicia and Thorzain fan. Shitty attack by Alicia followed by shitty attack by Thorzain followed by Alicia killing Thorzain xD
ye that was a rather sloppy game on both parts, still cant believe tzain botched it that badly though, he was way ahead after alicias first attack >.> but GOOD GAMES! so far at least =D
Damn Mouz is thin. Atleast they don't give up like some other teams out there.
Alicia fighting~
On December 15 2011 11:37 Micket wrote: Pretty sure thorzain had a bit of latency issue, since he didn't attempt to micro and EMPs missed by miles. Alicia
They were playing on NA, so both have lag. Lag was probably worse for Alicia since he is in Korea.
On December 15 2011 11:43 Zzoram wrote: Mouz needs about 1 more good player to round out their team. Preferably a Terran or Zerg.
If only Morrow counts as 2 players
But I agree, well I hope heromarine (their new guy?) does really well and stands out on their own. Mouz has a small roster, but they do have good solid players undoubtedly.
I also remember seeing bigs play Mana in ESWC and I think he shut mana out 2-0 or something in a BO3. But I consider that the same as Thorzain-Morrow in NASL S2, he knows his teammate well enough to counter him. Or maybe I am hallucinating, looking at bigs and mana's record, shows they never played each other.
um, that was utter domination, I guess it was Alicia's fault to push that far onto creep without letting it recede, but wow, biGs had his timings down very nicely, lets see how his zvt is now ><
I think they're more sending Ryung in because they realize HasuObs is next and he is also a powerful player. If they send in a weaker player, the stand more of a risk of going to an ace match.
On December 15 2011 11:52 Chicane wrote: Not sure how I feel about this roach hydra composition...
Edit: :O
I actually like roach/hydra on shattered as long as you have sufficient corrupter support, the mid is wide enough that as long as you don't get pushed back into your nat choke, it gives room to surround with somewhat decent hydra micro.
On December 15 2011 11:56 iNfeRnaL wrote: Not trying to be bm or anything, but who's Heromarine? Didn't read about him joining mouz at all and never heard his name either. >_<
On December 15 2011 11:56 iNfeRnaL wrote: Not trying to be bm or anything, but who's Heromarine? Didn't read about him joining mouz at all and never heard his name either. >_<
There was a thread about him joining quite some time ago.
On December 15 2011 11:56 iNfeRnaL wrote: Not trying to be bm or anything, but who's Heromarine? Didn't read about him joining mouz at all and never heard his name either. >_<
He's a kid, as in very young, that mouz picked up as an up and coming talent.
On December 15 2011 11:56 iNfeRnaL wrote: Not trying to be bm or anything, but who's Heromarine? Didn't read about him joining mouz at all and never heard his name either. >_<
He's the newest "talent player" from mouz 14 year old german terran player
For me, a Swiss guy, seeing BiGs kill alicia is probably the best thing in Team Arena Challenge so far
On December 15 2011 11:52 Chicane wrote: Not sure how I feel about this roach hydra composition...
Edit: :O
The composition didn't win him the game, alicia moving out at 140 supply with only 3 colossus did.
He only had to wait, get upgrades, and get 5-6 colossus and he would have won because R/H/C is a shitty composition late game =/
Yeah I agree. The game was more of Alicia's mistake than Bigs' playing well.
Bigs' macro seemed really really off, 14 mins in and he was only 130 supply. He kept alternating between drones and units too, which really slows down Zerg's economy. Someone like Ret or Idra would've been maxed at that point and would've just rolled in without the flank.
On December 15 2011 11:58 1Eris1 wrote: God Alicia has fallen far, props to biGs though
He just beat Thorzain
I don't really want to make excuses for Thorzain, but if you saw the game. Whether it was lag, a brainfart, or some other reason. Thorzain's engagement at Alicia's expo he didn't even micro his units. He did a couple emps, attacked and sat there while his army died. That set the precedent to let Alicia counter and demolish him. If Thorzain was at least controlling his units there, he could have mitigated the damage or taken out more units. He didn't fly his medivacs away after the ground army got killed either.
don't like changing the back expansion on crevasse to a normal expo. the good thing about it when it's a half expansion but rich vespene is a choice of how you want to play the early game, but making it a full expansion removes that choice and now there's no reason not to take it.
rich vespene in general is a nice idea, a lot better than gold expansions since every race gets the same benefit due to mining gas at the same rate, and it only really matters in the early game where spending your gas can create interesting timings.
Holy crap biGs playing so well. He has controlled the map as good as any Zerg I've seen, especially against a Korean Terran! I mean, wow, who is this guy?!
Whoa. I never thought I'd say this but biGs' corruptors were quite impressive in both games. He's also playing ALOT less greedy than standard ZvT. I think he's kind catching his opponents off guard with the number of units he has at atypical times.
Edit: Ven/Soccer? I am dissapointed. I only saw him on F.United but he never really impressed me then. Oh well, we'll see.
On December 15 2011 12:00 K3Nyy wrote: Yeah I agree. The game was more of Alicia's mistake than Bigs' playing well.
Bigs' macro seemed really really off, 14 mins in and he was only 130 supply. He kept alternating between drones and units too, which really slows down Zerg's economy. Someone like Ret or Idra would've been maxed at that point and would've just rolled in without the flank.
biGs plays a style similar to the younger zergs (Stephano, Nerchio). Alternating drones and units has its virtues, principally pressures on the opponent.
On December 15 2011 12:20 Zzoram wrote: SlayerS did play some of their bigger named players
Puzzle Alicia Ryung
all went down
Miya was a new recruit, probably lost from stage fright
Soccer is questionable. Maybe he's the best vZ they have left other than MMA who is busy.
Only bigger player there is Puzzle man. Alicia and Ryung are...ehhhhhhhh
Alicia's their second best Protoss. (Unless you think Soccer is, which is irrelevant because they are playing him as ace.) Ryung is not a "ehhhhhh" either, he just might seem less impressive because SlyaerS has so many good terrans. He is definitely one of them.
On December 15 2011 12:20 Zzoram wrote: SlayerS did play some of their bigger named players
Puzzle Alicia Ryung
all went down
Miya was a new recruit, probably lost from stage fright
Soccer is questionable. Maybe he's the best vZ they have left other than MMA who is busy.
Only bigger player there is Puzzle man. Alicia and Ryung are...ehhhhhhhh
What do you expect though? MMA is no doubt busy 100% focused on blizzard cup. And their other top terrans (GanZi, Taeja) are probably helping him prepare. I'm sure the house right now is entirely focused on getting MMA ready for MVP.
On December 15 2011 12:20 Zzoram wrote: SlayerS did play some of their bigger named players
Puzzle Alicia Ryung
all went down
Miya was a new recruit, probably lost from stage fright
Soccer is questionable. Maybe he's the best vZ they have left other than MMA who is busy.
Only bigger player there is Puzzle man. Alicia and Ryung are...ehhhhhhhh
Alicia's their second best Protoss. (Unless you think Soccer is, which is irrelevant because they are playing him as ace.) Ryung is not a "ehhhhhh" either, he just might seem less impressive because SlyaerS has so many good terrans. He is definitely one of them.
Yeah, they are lower A team at this point (slayers just doesn't have a lot of protoss. I mean, Min is the current best zerg, what does that say? DONT SAY COCA). Ryung can only be considered A-Team because of his TvT. His TvZ is....he lost to Sheth edit: Isn't Brown their second best protoss, or even best?
On December 15 2011 12:20 Zzoram wrote: SlayerS did play some of their bigger named players
Puzzle Alicia Ryung
all went down
Miya was a new recruit, probably lost from stage fright
Soccer is questionable. Maybe he's the best vZ they have left other than MMA who is busy.
Only bigger player there is Puzzle man. Alicia and Ryung are...ehhhhhhhh
Alicia's their second best Protoss. (Unless you think Soccer is, which is irrelevant because they are playing him as ace.) Ryung is not a "ehhhhhh" either, he just might seem less impressive because SlyaerS has so many good terrans. He is definitely one of them.
Brown impressed me more than Alicia lately. And SlayerS is still saying that Ryung beats everyone in TvT practice, but right now his TvZ is unimpressive compared to Taeja, Ganzi, and MMA. And his TvP? Taeja is the only Slayers Terran with exceptional TvP.
On December 15 2011 12:20 Zzoram wrote: SlayerS did play some of their bigger named players
Puzzle Alicia Ryung
all went down
Miya was a new recruit, probably lost from stage fright
Soccer is questionable. Maybe he's the best vZ they have left other than MMA who is busy.
Only bigger player there is Puzzle man. Alicia and Ryung are...ehhhhhhhh
What do you expect though? MMA is no doubt busy 100% focused on blizzard cup. And their other top terrans (GanZi, Taeja) are probably helping him prepare. I'm sure the house right now is entirely focused on getting MMA ready for MVP.
Totally agreed man.They are not taking this IPL TAC just for this match seriously because they are preparing MMA for MVP. Smart guy
On December 15 2011 12:20 Zzoram wrote: SlayerS did play some of their bigger named players
Puzzle Alicia Ryung
all went down
Miya was a new recruit, probably lost from stage fright
Soccer is questionable. Maybe he's the best vZ they have left other than MMA who is busy.
Only bigger player there is Puzzle man. Alicia and Ryung are...ehhhhhhhh
What do you expect though? MMA is no doubt busy 100% focused on blizzard cup. And their other top terrans (GanZi, Taeja) are probably helping him prepare. I'm sure the house right now is entirely focused on getting MMA ready for MVP.
Good point about that.
Taeja and Ganzi are probably practicing TvT heavily with MMA right now to prepare special builds against MVP. They're playing all their remaining good players in this.
On December 15 2011 12:20 Zzoram wrote: SlayerS did play some of their bigger named players
Puzzle Alicia Ryung
all went down
Miya was a new recruit, probably lost from stage fright
Soccer is questionable. Maybe he's the best vZ they have left other than MMA who is busy.
Only bigger player there is Puzzle man. Alicia and Ryung are...ehhhhhhhh
What do you expect though? MMA is no doubt busy 100% focused on blizzard cup. And their other top terrans (GanZi, Taeja) are probably helping him prepare. I'm sure the house right now is entirely focused on getting MMA ready for MVP.
IPL casting with replay, so they were not that busy, or at least not by blizzcup. "minor" cup like that is good to try out players, that's all.
On December 15 2011 12:20 Zzoram wrote: SlayerS did play some of their bigger named players
Puzzle Alicia Ryung
all went down
Miya was a new recruit, probably lost from stage fright
Soccer is questionable. Maybe he's the best vZ they have left other than MMA who is busy.
Only bigger player there is Puzzle man. Alicia and Ryung are...ehhhhhhhh
Alicia's their second best Protoss. (Unless you think Soccer is, which is irrelevant because they are playing him as ace.) Ryung is not a "ehhhhhh" either, he just might seem less impressive because SlyaerS has so many good terrans. He is definitely one of them.
Yeah, they are lower A team at this point (slayers just doesn't have a lot of protoss. I mean, Min is the current best zerg, what does that say? DONT SAY COCA). Ryung can only be considered A-Team because of his TvT. His TvZ is....he lost to Sheth edit: Isn't Brown their second best protoss, or even best?
Why not Coca?-.- Eventhough that controversies happen between Byun and Coca,Coca is still the best zerg on SlayerS result wise.
On December 15 2011 12:20 Zzoram wrote: SlayerS did play some of their bigger named players
Puzzle Alicia Ryung
all went down
Miya was a new recruit, probably lost from stage fright
Soccer is questionable. Maybe he's the best vZ they have left other than MMA who is busy.
Only bigger player there is Puzzle man. Alicia and Ryung are...ehhhhhhhh
What do you expect though? MMA is no doubt busy 100% focused on blizzard cup. And their other top terrans (GanZi, Taeja) are probably helping him prepare. I'm sure the house right now is entirely focused on getting MMA ready for MVP.
Totally agreed man.They are not taking this IPL TAC just for this match seriously because they are preparing MMA for MVP. Smart guy
Korean teams have been known to use team leagues to let their less successful players have some experience, though—and this is not only true against foreigners but also other koreans.
On December 15 2011 12:31 Darkthur wrote: IPL casting with replay, so they were not that busy, or at least not by blizzcup. "minor" cup like that is good to try out players, that's all.
Read the thread, bro.
IPL reps stated that in these later rounds they are more recent... games were played this morning (for me... timezones silly. But only a few hours ago, at least).
On December 15 2011 12:20 Zzoram wrote: SlayerS did play some of their bigger named players
Puzzle Alicia Ryung
all went down
Miya was a new recruit, probably lost from stage fright
Soccer is questionable. Maybe he's the best vZ they have left other than MMA who is busy.
Only bigger player there is Puzzle man. Alicia and Ryung are...ehhhhhhhh
Alicia's their second best Protoss. (Unless you think Soccer is, which is irrelevant because they are playing him as ace.) Ryung is not a "ehhhhhh" either, he just might seem less impressive because SlyaerS has so many good terrans. He is definitely one of them.
Yeah, they are lower A team at this point (slayers just doesn't have a lot of protoss. I mean, Min is the current best zerg, what does that say? DONT SAY COCA). Ryung can only be considered A-Team because of his TvT. His TvZ is....he lost to Sheth edit: Isn't Brown their second best protoss, or even best?
Why not Coca?-.- Eventhough that controversies happen between Byun and Coca,Coca is still the best zerg on SlayerS result wise.
Well is he still technically considered a member of Slayers? (I'm not sure, like I honestly don't remember the specific details of that whole event)
On December 15 2011 12:20 Zzoram wrote: SlayerS did play some of their bigger named players
Puzzle Alicia Ryung
all went down
Miya was a new recruit, probably lost from stage fright
Soccer is questionable. Maybe he's the best vZ they have left other than MMA who is busy.
Only bigger player there is Puzzle man. Alicia and Ryung are...ehhhhhhhh
What do you expect though? MMA is no doubt busy 100% focused on blizzard cup. And their other top terrans (GanZi, Taeja) are probably helping him prepare. I'm sure the house right now is entirely focused on getting MMA ready for MVP.
Totally agreed man.They are not taking this IPL TAC just for this match seriously because they are preparing MMA for MVP. Smart guy
except these games were played before, but its not like slayers really needs to send out mma they got tons of players
Ok I'm definitely sure they're getting lag spikes. Thorzain sends his army to attack and doesn't micro/macro/anything for at least 10s, and now Bigs just flew his corruptors over a bunch of cannons for no reason.
On December 15 2011 12:20 Zzoram wrote: SlayerS did play some of their bigger named players
Puzzle Alicia Ryung
all went down
Miya was a new recruit, probably lost from stage fright
Soccer is questionable. Maybe he's the best vZ they have left other than MMA who is busy.
Only bigger player there is Puzzle man. Alicia and Ryung are...ehhhhhhhh
What do you expect though? MMA is no doubt busy 100% focused on blizzard cup. And their other top terrans (GanZi, Taeja) are probably helping him prepare. I'm sure the house right now is entirely focused on getting MMA ready for MVP.
Totally agreed man.They are not taking this IPL TAC just for this match seriously because they are preparing MMA for MVP. Smart guy
except these games were played way before
They were played hours ago. It takes like 5 minutes to read this thread.
On December 15 2011 12:20 Zzoram wrote: SlayerS did play some of their bigger named players
Puzzle Alicia Ryung
all went down
Miya was a new recruit, probably lost from stage fright
Soccer is questionable. Maybe he's the best vZ they have left other than MMA who is busy.
Only bigger player there is Puzzle man. Alicia and Ryung are...ehhhhhhhh
What do you expect though? MMA is no doubt busy 100% focused on blizzard cup. And their other top terrans (GanZi, Taeja) are probably helping him prepare. I'm sure the house right now is entirely focused on getting MMA ready for MVP.
Totally agreed man.They are not taking this IPL TAC just for this match seriously because they are preparing MMA for MVP. Smart guy
except these games were played before, but its not like slayers really needs to send out mma they got tons of players
No they weren't.
The casters said the games were played a few hours ago and they were just waiting for the games to finish to get all the replays to cast.
On December 15 2011 12:37 PhyreHazard wrote: Best way to end for Mouz, Hasu is pretty good PvP
Just because he beat Huk @NASL doesnt mean he is especially good at PvP. I would say he is pretty wellrounded, but he says, PvP is his worst MU and statistically it is.
On December 15 2011 12:37 JohnnyBanana wrote: Ok I'm definitely sure they're getting lag spikes. Thorzain sends his army to attack and doesn't micro/macro/anything for at least 10s, and now Bigs just flew his corruptors over a bunch of cannons for no reason.
On December 15 2011 12:37 JohnnyBanana wrote: Ok I'm definitely sure they're getting lag spikes. Thorzain sends his army to attack and doesn't micro/macro/anything for at least 10s, and now Bigs just flew his corruptors over a bunch of cannons for no reason.
Definitely lag spikes.
Maybe, but both teams are playing on NA.
True, but spikes are random! Not to take anything away from Slayers, they're playing well.
On December 15 2011 12:54 Itsmedudeman wrote: Who is Ven? =.= Why can Slayers not send out their A team not in the blizzard cup? They've got like a month break between GSL.
On December 15 2011 12:54 Itsmedudeman wrote: Who is Ven? =.= Why can Slayers not send out their A team not in the blizzard cup? They've got like a month break between GSL.
Well they sent out puzzle, alicia and ryung. Arguably Puzzle is the only non-slumping A-teamer they sent. It's less important in this league because there is a loser bracket.
Mouz now has to play QIM in the Winner's Bracket Finals and ReIGN has to play SlayerS for Loser's Round 2. They are scheduling the games now and will be hopefully played in the next day or two!
On December 15 2011 12:55 VirgilSC2 wrote: Wow.....Mouz takes down SlayerS, did not expect that.
I think picking Soccer to ace is a strange choice. Well, I think SlayerS will probably rock the LB with their A team and take the whole thing anyway.
Exactly, I was pulling my hair out wondering why Slayers decided to send out unknowns like Miya and send Ven as their ace. Just like against Tyloo. Why on earth would you not take a tournament like this seriously is beyond me. I know MMA has Blizzard cup tommorow, but you do not need every single Terran in the house practicing with him (Ok, they did send out Ryung against a zerg, but Ryung has terrible TvZ). Almost as frustrating as GSTL Season 1.
If MMA does not win the Blizzard Cup, I will be really angry.
On December 15 2011 12:51 lee365 wrote: Is PvP still insta win for the person who gets colossus first?
If the other player expands and does the same collosus tech but later, yeah that's kind of insta win.
As I recall, MC went expand into colossus on Temple in NASL S1, I think against Hasu in fact, and won because of defender advantage regarding colossus spawn, among other reasons. What I saw in that last game was Hasu spotting the colossi of Ven and targeting them with his 6 range immortal, which is why I was hoping Ven would have just gone immortals+zealots himself since he was already taking a huge risk. It could possibly have given him the numbers he needed to defend. That last lost pylon near Hasu's natural and the fact Hasu didn't expand, plus the huge risk Ven took, made Hasu's attack way too strong.
Ven probably overestimated how much damage his attack did, and Hasu was smart for using gas units (colossus) while spending minerals on re-probing, although it is somewhat intuitive to spend gas when you can (smoke if you got 'em).
Major grats to Mouz, but apparently there's a lower bracket? SlayerS' win streak was dethroned, but they can still continue an overall win streak. Who will be the other team to fully dethrone them? I'd prefer a rematch. Mouz is more fun to watch than most other foreign teams. However, I'd also prefer to see SlayerS win, at least if they show good games.
On December 15 2011 12:55 VirgilSC2 wrote: Wow.....Mouz takes down SlayerS, did not expect that.
I think picking Soccer to ace is a strange choice. Well, I think SlayerS will probably rock the LB with their A team and take the whole thing anyway.
Exactly, I was pulling my hair out wondering why Slayers decided to send out unknowns like Miya and send Ven as their ace. Just like against Tyloo. Why on earth would you not take a tournament like this seriously is beyond me. I know MMA has Blizzard cup tommorow, but you do not need every single Terran in the house practicing with him (Ok, they did send out Ryung against a zerg, but Ryung has terrible TvZ). Almost as frustrating as GSTL Season 1.
If MMA does not win the Blizzard Cup, I will be really angry.
On December 15 2011 12:59 R!! wrote: Well, slayers didn't worker rush mouz but they clearly 4 gated(too soon?:D).
No, it actually is a good comparison. I am a huge Slayers fan, so I might suffer some post-traumatic stress later, but this was kind of bad for Slayers. Everyone gave Naniwa hell because he did not give a shit in a game that did not matter, but Slayers sends out some B-teamer as their ace in a pretty important match? That's also disappointing for the fans. col-MVP and QIM sent out players like Happy, sC, DRG, and MVP yesterday, and then we get this from Slayers? I am very disappointed.
As a Slayers fan, I am venting at the moment, so please do take my words with a grain of salt. Don't get me wrong, I am still a huge Slayers fan and I hope they win and MMA wins the Blizzard Cup, but I do not want to see them mess around in a major team tournament like this.
It's not an acceptable comparison. First of all, there is no way to tell what was going on and if players were available because some gamers are on break for the holidays. Second, the players who were sent out and played tried their hardest to win.
On December 15 2011 12:59 R!! wrote: Well, slayers didn't worker rush mouz but they clearly 4 gated(too soon?:D).
No, it actually is a good comparison. I am a huge Slayers fan, so I might suffer some post-traumatic stress later, but this was kind of bad for Slayers. Everyone gave Naniwa hell because he did not give a shit in a game that did not matter, but Slayers sends out some B-teamer as their ace in a pretty important match? That's also disappointing for the fans. col-MVP and QIM sent out players like Happy, sC, DRG, and MVP yesterday, and then we get this from Slayers? I am very disappointed.
As a Slayers fan, I am venting at the moment, so please do take my words with a grain of salt. Don't get me wrong, I am still a huge Slayers fan and I hope they win and MMA wins the Blizzard Cup, but I do not want to see them mess around in a major team tournament like this.
It's not an acceptable comparison. First of all, there is no way to tell what was going on and if players were available because some gamers are on break for the holidays. Second, the players who were sent out and played tried their hardest to win.
I know, I was venting and had to post it. I am sorry if I offended anyone, but I was really disappointed by that loss. And yes, I do not know the motives behind the player lineups and the situation at the house. congrats Mouz
On December 15 2011 12:59 R!! wrote: Well, slayers didn't worker rush mouz but they clearly 4 gated(too soon?:D).
No, it actually is a good comparison. I am a huge Slayers fan, so I might suffer some post-traumatic stress later, but this was kind of bad for Slayers. Everyone gave Naniwa hell because he did not give a shit in a game that did not matter, but Slayers sends out some B-teamer as their ace in a pretty important match? That's also disappointing for the fans. col-MVP and QIM sent out players like Happy, sC, DRG, and MVP yesterday, and then we get this from Slayers? I am very disappointed.
As a Slayers fan, I am venting at the moment, so please do take my words with a grain of salt. Don't get me wrong, I am still a huge Slayers fan and I hope they win and MMA wins the Blizzard Cup, but I do not want to see them mess around in a major team tournament like this.
It's not an acceptable comparison. First of all, there is no way to tell what was going on and if players were available because some gamers are on break for the holidays. Second, the players who were sent out and played tried their hardest to win.
No need to start a fire, I was clearly just fooling around a bit, no biggie.
On December 15 2011 14:21 ABear wrote: i think slayers was too arrogant sending out 2 no-names. gj to mouz though cuz i dont think any other team with only foreigners could have done this
On December 15 2011 14:23 SniXSniPe wrote: Why didn't they play Ryung against ThorZaiN?
And why not Taeja or even Boxer? Taeja and Boxer have solid TvZ & TvPs.
I am fairly sure like other people mentioned, they have something that is of higher priority to focus on, that is MMA's game vs MVP, obviously the top Terrans will go help him with that.
Not saying IPL TAC isn't important, but MMA's game must be pretty damn important to them.
How could people think they were fooling around? They just want their other players who aren't GSL to get some exposure and tourny experience, just because they aren't in GSL doesn't mean they're bad, a lot of the current code s mainstays couldn't make it into gsl the first half of the year. In the end this tourny doesn't mean all that much to Slayers so they'd rather give their other players some time to shine, it worked basically 6 series in a row up until now, who are you naysayers to doubt them?
On December 15 2011 15:08 GranDGranT wrote: I like how people are talking About "no name koreans being sent out over others" when I honestly (Ill admit) have no clue who Bigs is.
^seriously. Takes out some Ryung and Alicia. I guess i will remember him lmfao.
blabla... 2nd tier players... blabla did anyone of you ever watch GSTL?
these "2nd tier players" (like some ppl here call them) are all capable of all-killing teams. if you are code a or s is often just a matter of luck or othe rcircumstances. look at jjakji: 3 month before he wasnt even code a. last month he barely managed to keep his code s spot as 3rd in his group. and 1 month later he won code s and everybody goes:"wow, hes the best player of the world!!"
someone, who calls a korean pro team member a "no name", knows _nothing_ about sc2.
On December 15 2011 14:21 ABear wrote: i think slayers was too arrogant sending out 2 no-names. gj to mouz though cuz i dont think any other team with only foreigners could have done this
Nonames? are you serious? Who are you to judge how good a player is when you obviously don't know them? Ven is an insanely sick P I had the honor to face in ladder last night, really impressed that hasuobs beat him. GJ Mouz!
On December 15 2011 14:21 ABear wrote: i think slayers was too arrogant sending out 2 no-names. gj to mouz though cuz i dont think any other team with only foreigners could have done this
Nonames? are you serious? Who are you to judge how good a player is when you obviously don't know them? Ven is an insanely sick P I had the honor to face in ladder last night, really impressed that hasuobs beat him. GJ Mouz!
Wouldn't get too upset over this. He's holding on to his dying world of Korean Supremacy in SC2. There is no reasoning to be had.
On December 15 2011 14:21 ABear wrote: i think slayers was too arrogant sending out 2 no-names. gj to mouz though cuz i dont think any other team with only foreigners could have done this
Nonames? are you serious? Who are you to judge how good a player is when you obviously don't know them? Ven is an insanely sick P I had the honor to face in ladder last night, really impressed that hasuobs beat him. GJ Mouz!
Wouldn't get too upset over this. He's holding on to his dying world of Korean Supremacy in SC2. There is no reasoning to be had.
Yes, this team arena shows how mid-level slayers players (with the exception of puzzle) loses to the best foreigner team in the world! Definately sounds like korean supremacy is over. Next stephano and naniwa will win the blizzard cup! Oh wait...
On December 15 2011 14:21 ABear wrote: i think slayers was too arrogant sending out 2 no-names. gj to mouz though cuz i dont think any other team with only foreigners could have done this
Nonames? are you serious? Who are you to judge how good a player is when you obviously don't know them? Ven is an insanely sick P I had the honor to face in ladder last night, really impressed that hasuobs beat him. GJ Mouz!
Wouldn't get too upset over this. He's holding on to his dying world of Korean Supremacy in SC2. There is no reasoning to be had.
Yes, this team arena shows how mid-level slayers players (with the exception of puzzle) loses to the best foreigner team in the world! Definately sounds like korean supremacy is over. Next stephano and naniwa will win the blizzard cup! Oh wait...
Ryung buddy.
Also Stephano and Nani are but 2 players in a ten man tournament. 20% foreigner 80% korean, this is expected.
Lol i'm out, i feel like i'm spamming in this thread. Apologizes to the Moderators in advance.
On December 15 2011 14:21 ABear wrote: i think slayers was too arrogant sending out 2 no-names. gj to mouz though cuz i dont think any other team with only foreigners could have done this
Nonames? are you serious? Who are you to judge how good a player is when you obviously don't know them? Ven is an insanely sick P I had the honor to face in ladder last night, really impressed that hasuobs beat him. GJ Mouz!
Wouldn't get too upset over this. He's holding on to his dying world of Korean Supremacy in SC2. There is no reasoning to be had.
Yes, this team arena shows how mid-level slayers players (with the exception of puzzle) loses to the best foreigner team in the world! Definately sounds like korean supremacy is over. Next stephano and naniwa will win the blizzard cup! Oh wait...
Ryung buddy.
Also Stephano and Nani are but 2 players in a ten man tournament. 20% foreigner 80% korean, this is expected.
Lol i'm out, i feel like i'm spamming in this thread. Apologizes to the Moderators in advance.
NASL and Dreamhack buddy, somehow the koreans do it?
On December 15 2011 14:21 ABear wrote: i think slayers was too arrogant sending out 2 no-names. gj to mouz though cuz i dont think any other team with only foreigners could have done this
Nonames? are you serious? Who are you to judge how good a player is when you obviously don't know them? Ven is an insanely sick P I had the honor to face in ladder last night, really impressed that hasuobs beat him. GJ Mouz!
Wouldn't get too upset over this. He's holding on to his dying world of Korean Supremacy in SC2. There is no reasoning to be had.
Yes, this team arena shows how mid-level slayers players (with the exception of puzzle) loses to the best foreigner team in the world! Definately sounds like korean supremacy is over. Next stephano and naniwa will win the blizzard cup! Oh wait...
Ryung buddy.
Also Stephano and Nani are but 2 players in a ten man tournament. 20% foreigner 80% korean, this is expected.
Lol i'm out, i feel like i'm spamming in this thread. Apologizes to the Moderators in advance.
NASL and Dreamhack buddy, somehow the koreans do it?
And ryung has been slumping since october.
foreigners are doing well.. Huk, Nani and Stephano can hold their own and upsets in team leagues and online tournaments happen very often. No need to get so defensive pal...
On December 15 2011 15:25 courtpanda wrote: question: now that slayers are 1 loss away from being eliminated, will they send out their "A-team"
im thinking something like 1) MMA 2) Ganzi 3) Clide 4) Ryung 5) Puzzle
or cmon, at least bring out cella and boxer!
That's not even close to A team. 3-5 are all wrong. Clide is B team.
uhh lol thats pretty dam close to their A team maybe 1 wrong and i dont think they will use mma since hes in Blizz cup and wont want to show his games in other tourneys
B-Team, A-Team, say what you want, but the bottom line is that Mouz beat SlayerS. Regardless, every player on SlayerS is a fantastic player; some just happen to be borderline god-like.
Do I think Mouz would win if SlayerS put all their star Terran players in? No. But that's just pure speculation. SlayerS chose not to do that and lost as a result of their choices. Stop making excuses for them.
And yes, some people are overreacting, but TL is a foreign fan site. I've learned since BW days that the community loves to champion foreign accomplishments while downplaying Korean ones (except for the very best of the best Koreans).
In the end, speculations don't really matter as the results will speak for themslves. Today's result indicates that mouz played better.
My ranking of top Slayer players would be (in order);
On December 15 2011 14:21 ABear wrote: i think slayers was too arrogant sending out 2 no-names. gj to mouz though cuz i dont think any other team with only foreigners could have done this
Nonames? are you serious? Who are you to judge how good a player is when you obviously don't know them? Ven is an insanely sick P I had the honor to face in ladder last night, really impressed that hasuobs beat him. GJ Mouz!
Wouldn't get too upset over this. He's holding on to his dying world of Korean Supremacy in SC2. There is no reasoning to be had.
Yes, this team arena shows how mid-level slayers players (with the exception of puzzle) loses to the best foreigner team in the world! Definately sounds like korean supremacy is over. Next stephano and naniwa will win the blizzard cup! Oh wait...
Ryung buddy.
Also Stephano and Nani are but 2 players in a ten man tournament. 20% foreigner 80% korean, this is expected.
Lol i'm out, i feel like i'm spamming in this thread. Apologizes to the Moderators in advance.
NASL and Dreamhack buddy, somehow the koreans do it?
And ryung has been slumping since october.
foreigners are doing well.. Huk, Nani and Stephano can hold their own and upsets in team leagues and online tournaments happen very often. No need to get so defensive pal...
lolwut. He called me buddy so I called him buddy back. What's wrong with that?
lol breaking my word, cuz i'm banned from PMing. I guess i stalk to many people threw there...
Neways. its all good me and nippon are actually buddies irl. Those power ranks were a while ago, and they were who i thought were the best. corse i don't really watch the playheims
On December 15 2011 14:21 ABear wrote: i think slayers was too arrogant sending out 2 no-names. gj to mouz though cuz i dont think any other team with only foreigners could have done this
Nonames? are you serious? Who are you to judge how good a player is when you obviously don't know them? Ven is an insanely sick P I had the honor to face in ladder last night, really impressed that hasuobs beat him. GJ Mouz!
No name =\= low skilled player. He's obviously a great player if he's on Slayers. The guy is listed as the lowest ELO on the slayers team, and you act like he's a household name or a GSL star. I'm sorry if I offended him, but I had never heard of him like many others. They definitely had better players available to play in this like MMA, Ganzi, Taeja, Clide or Coca, but whatever.
I called it 5-4 for mouz (even though thorzain didnt get tvt sniped). SlayerS might not have brought their BEST possible line up, but they didnt exactly bring in their worst either. Great win for mouz! on a side note: why isnt Ven on the slayers roster? never heard of this player yet he was the Slayers anchor so... mmm. Congrats to mouz, foreigners fighting~~.
Edit: I predict that this is the shock that boxer and co needed, they won't lose in the loser's bracket, imo we will see them in the finals; they will crush Reign, Slayers vs col.mvp should be interesting to say the least.
Very awesome series. SlayerS may have chosen to not send out MMA, but the only no-name they sent out was Miya (but that may be just my lack of knowledge).
ggs so happy now :DD last time we played slayers i could feel we were up for the challenge, and now we had our revenge!
On December 15 2011 17:32 Silvanel wrote: Anyone knows who is calling the shots for Mouz? Like deciding who is gonna play when and that sort of things?
we all do it together, along with manager paisy
On December 15 2011 15:26 cari-kira wrote: blabla... 2nd tier players... blabla did anyone of you ever watch GSTL?
these "2nd tier players" (like some ppl here call them) are all capable of all-killing teams. if you are code a or s is often just a matter of luck or othe rcircumstances. look at jjakji: 3 month before he wasnt even code a. last month he barely managed to keep his code s spot as 3rd in his group. and 1 month later he won code s and everybody goes:"wow, hes the best player of the world!!"
someone, who calls a korean pro team member a "no name", knows _nothing_ about sc2.
truth words spoken right here. many "no-names" are nonames beacuse people dont pay enough attention to the korean scene (or cant because they dont display many games as the foreigner scene)
On December 15 2011 02:07 nokz88 wrote: The only team Slayers respects enough to field their best players. Mouz is one badass team just for that alone.
uhh that info comes from where? Yah I thought so.. You. You really think if they played EG they would play pure B teamers? Huk/Idra/Puma would slap most of them around.
Good job Mouz , Ganzi , MMA or Taeja probably would've been better choices for Slayers IF available instead of Ven , Mya but still they fielded a strong team and lost .
On December 15 2011 14:21 ABear wrote: i think slayers was too arrogant sending out 2 no-names. gj to mouz though cuz i dont think any other team with only foreigners could have done this
Nonames? are you serious? Who are you to judge how good a player is when you obviously don't know them? Ven is an insanely sick P I had the honor to face in ladder last night, really impressed that hasuobs beat him. GJ Mouz!
No name =\= low skilled player. He's obviously a great player if he's on Slayers. The guy is listed as the lowest ELO on the slayers team, and you act like he's a household name or a GSL star. I'm sorry if I offended him, but I had never heard of him like many others. They definitely had better players available to play in this like MMA, Ganzi, Taeja, Clide or Coca, but whatever.
he qualified to code a last season but got to play ForGG in his first round. However, his pvp is insane and his other matchups are ok.
On December 15 2011 14:21 ABear wrote: i think slayers was too arrogant sending out 2 no-names. gj to mouz though cuz i dont think any other team with only foreigners could have done this
Nonames? are you serious? Who are you to judge how good a player is when you obviously don't know them? Ven is an insanely sick P I had the honor to face in ladder last night, really impressed that hasuobs beat him. GJ Mouz!
No name =\= low skilled player. He's obviously a great player if he's on Slayers. The guy is listed as the lowest ELO on the slayers team, and you act like he's a household name or a GSL star. I'm sorry if I offended him, but I had never heard of him like many others. They definitely had better players available to play in this like MMA, Ganzi, Taeja, Clide or Coca, but whatever.
he qualified to code a last season but got to play ForGG in his first round. However, his pvp is insane and his other matchups are ok.
He got to play Nada and lost in a pretty disapointing series from both sides.
So it seems like the lack of the top-level SlayerS terrans (aside from Ryung, but he's fallen off significantly lately) was a result of helping MMA prepare against MVP? Whether it paid off or not, well, you'll have to go and watch the Blizzard Cup Semi-Finals if you haven't already.
Regardless, now that the match is over, we should probably be seeing them emerge when the Loser's Bracket starts, because MMA wouldn't need them anymore either way (if he lost he's done, if he won the only possible matchups are vP and vZ).
On December 15 2011 14:21 ABear wrote: i think slayers was too arrogant sending out 2 no-names. gj to mouz though cuz i dont think any other team with only foreigners could have done this
Nonames? are you serious? Who are you to judge how good a player is when you obviously don't know them? Ven is an insanely sick P I had the honor to face in ladder last night, really impressed that hasuobs beat him. GJ Mouz!
No name =\= low skilled player. He's obviously a great player if he's on Slayers. The guy is listed as the lowest ELO on the slayers team, and you act like he's a household name or a GSL star. I'm sorry if I offended him, but I had never heard of him like many others. They definitely had better players available to play in this like MMA, Ganzi, Taeja, Clide or Coca, but whatever.
he qualified to code a last season but got to play ForGG in his first round. However, his pvp is insane and his other matchups are ok.
He got to play Nada and lost in a pretty disapointing series from both sides.
who is this handsome nerd called biggs who has taken down alicia and ryung? agh, I cannot watch the rebroadcast, but maybe I can catch up to the vods...
On December 15 2011 21:39 JustPassingBy wrote: who is this handsome nerd called biggs who has taken down alicia and ryung? agh, I cannot watch the rebroadcast, but maybe I can catch up to the vods...
A guy from Switzerland, he has Korean roots and mouz picked him up a few months ago.
I couldn't watch the series but the results made my morning. So happy a foreigner team could take down Slayers. Also, how is BiGs so good and we've never really heard of him.
On December 15 2011 21:21 HauntYou wrote: So it seems like the lack of the top-level SlayerS terrans (aside from Ryung, but he's fallen off significantly lately) was a result of helping MMA prepare against MVP? Whether it paid off or not, well, you'll have to go and watch the Blizzard Cup Semi-Finals if you haven't already.
Regardless, now that the match is over, we should probably be seeing them emerge when the Loser's Bracket starts, because MMA wouldn't need them anymore either way (if he lost he's done, if he won the only possible matchups are vP and vZ).
This match was played days before, if nothing has changed
On December 15 2011 21:21 HauntYou wrote: So it seems like the lack of the top-level SlayerS terrans (aside from Ryung, but he's fallen off significantly lately) was a result of helping MMA prepare against MVP? Whether it paid off or not, well, you'll have to go and watch the Blizzard Cup Semi-Finals if you haven't already.
Regardless, now that the match is over, we should probably be seeing them emerge when the Loser's Bracket starts, because MMA wouldn't need them anymore either way (if he lost he's done, if he won the only possible matchups are vP and vZ).
This match was played days before, if nothing has changed
This map was played the morning before the broadcast.
On December 15 2011 20:56 s3rp wrote: Good job Mouz , Ganzi , MMA or Taeja probably would've been better choices for Slayers IF available instead of Ven , Mya but still they fielded a strong team and lost .
My thoughts exactly. You can't skimp on players against Mouz.
Dayum, Mouz beating Slayers. I'm a slayers fan to the core but Mouz is quickly becoming my favorite foreign team. Maybe not the best Slayers line up possible but they definitely had some top cailber players in there.
I just started watching the rebroadcast, and thought it was over after Puzzle demolished MaNa and MorroW And wow ! Can"t believe they made it with two of their best players down immediatly.
On December 15 2011 12:55 VirgilSC2 wrote: Wow.....Mouz takes down SlayerS, did not expect that.
I think picking Soccer to ace is a strange choice. Well, I think SlayerS will probably rock the LB with their A team and take the whole thing anyway.
Exactly, I was pulling my hair out wondering why Slayers decided to send out unknowns like Miya and send Ven as their ace. Just like against Tyloo. Why on earth would you not take a tournament like this seriously is beyond me. I know MMA has Blizzard cup tommorow, but you do not need every single Terran in the house practicing with him (Ok, they did send out Ryung against a zerg, but Ryung has terrible TvZ). Almost as frustrating as GSTL Season 1.
If MMA does not win the Blizzard Cup, I will be really angry.
They're still in Losers bracket, they can send out an all star line up if it gets that bad.
On December 15 2011 15:26 cari-kira wrote: blabla... 2nd tier players... blabla did anyone of you ever watch GSTL?
these "2nd tier players" (like some ppl here call them) are all capable of all-killing teams. if you are code a or s is often just a matter of luck or othe rcircumstances. look at jjakji: 3 month before he wasnt even code a. last month he barely managed to keep his code s spot as 3rd in his group. and 1 month later he won code s and everybody goes:"wow, hes the best player of the world!!"
someone, who calls a korean pro team member a "no name", knows _nothing_ about sc2.
Congratulations to Mouz for beating Puzzle, Miya, Ryung, Alicia and Soccer(Ven) even though Mana and Morrow lost their games. BiGs surprised me with some really impressive play and Thorzains play was solid.
EPT
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