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On December 13 2011 11:48 NipponBanzai wrote:
Haha just read all the earlier predictions. It is quite humorous.
Not really. You're pretty deluded if you couldn't see Liquid beating Reign. Just because it didn't happen doesn't mean it can't.
HerO is capable of taking out any of the Reign roster except Inori - he got blindly sniped by Reign on the first map which was unfortunate. Had HerO been available, Ret and Sheth are more than capable back ups to do some serious damage. Liquid` certainly has the potential to win they just played pretty poorly. They really needed HerO to be available for SLush and Artist especially after Reign sent Inori out game 1
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On December 13 2011 11:59 aviator116 wrote:Show nested quote +On December 13 2011 11:55 Sabersharp wrote:On December 13 2011 11:53 Rinny wrote:
I hate to be that guy but are all the games played on NA? if so RGN would be at an advantage because all their players because of liquids roster, only sheth and tyler reside in NA and of them only sheth has had strong results lately. Calling TL weak based on these team leagues is unfair especially considering the teams strong individual performances. Teams strong individual performances? I dun think so.Only HerO and Ret are giving strong individual performance.The rest not so much. not ret either besides some decent MLG performances...seriously Hero is the ONLY liquid hope. Show nested quote +On December 13 2011 11:54 GeorgeForeman wrote:
Help me out here. Where was Jinro's army? That was 40 supply locked up in marines/medvacs, and Jinro was up by like 8-10 going into the fight. AND THEN Jinro lost the air battle and badly. So clearly he had fewer Vikings.... I don't get it. Did he massively over-produce workers? Did he just have 20 extra tanks that ALL died when marines fell on them? Where was that extra supply? Jinro did lose a shitload of tanks during that siegefest, but i think he was also producing too much bio/scvs. Artist just had the superior tank count, and that in macro TvTs is the important factor.
Wait, what? He had the superior tank count, 40+ supply in marine/medvac, AND more air units, ALL with fewer supply than Jinro?
That makes no sense.
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On December 13 2011 12:02 bkrow wrote:Show nested quote +On December 13 2011 11:48 NipponBanzai wrote:
Haha just read all the earlier predictions. It is quite humorous. Not really. You're pretty deluded if you couldn't see Liquid beating Reign. Just because it didn't happen doesn't mean it can't. HerO is capable of taking out any of the Reign roster except Inori - he got blindly sniped by Reign on the first map which was unfortunate. Had HerO been available, Ret and Sheth are more than capable back ups to do some serious damage. Liquid` certainly has the potential to win they just played pretty poorly. They really needed HerO to be available for SLush and Artist especially after Reign sent Inori out game 1
lolwut? I honestly thought liquid would win too... That's why it's funny?
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Thanks for watching, hope you all enjoyed my casting at least a little bit. =P
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We had really high expectations for TL but they lost both team games and they looked both aweful. I hope Liquid will step up because it's very disappoiting for now.
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On December 13 2011 10:58 SovietHammer wrote:Show nested quote +On December 13 2011 10:55 Dexington wrote:
Clearly Liquid vs Protoss is not a good matchup. The result having five Zergs on a team of eight I'm afraid...
The result of being a fanboy whore you mean?
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On December 13 2011 12:03 GeorgeForeman wrote:Show nested quote +On December 13 2011 11:59 aviator116 wrote:On December 13 2011 11:55 Sabersharp wrote:On December 13 2011 11:53 Rinny wrote:
I hate to be that guy but are all the games played on NA? if so RGN would be at an advantage because all their players because of liquids roster, only sheth and tyler reside in NA and of them only sheth has had strong results lately. Calling TL weak based on these team leagues is unfair especially considering the teams strong individual performances. Teams strong individual performances? I dun think so.Only HerO and Ret are giving strong individual performance.The rest not so much. not ret either besides some decent MLG performances...seriously Hero is the ONLY liquid hope. On December 13 2011 11:54 GeorgeForeman wrote:
Help me out here. Where was Jinro's army? That was 40 supply locked up in marines/medvacs, and Jinro was up by like 8-10 going into the fight. AND THEN Jinro lost the air battle and badly. So clearly he had fewer Vikings.... I don't get it. Did he massively over-produce workers? Did he just have 20 extra tanks that ALL died when marines fell on them? Where was that extra supply? Jinro did lose a shitload of tanks during that siegefest, but i think he was also producing too much bio/scvs. Artist just had the superior tank count, and that in macro TvTs is the important factor. Wait, what? He had the superior tank count, 40+ supply in marine/medvac, AND more air units, ALL with fewer supply than Jinro? That makes no sense.
artist never had superior bio army. JINRO had the better MMM army, but artist definitely had more tanks and more vikings, and tbh thats the only thing that matters in a TvT. It helps that Jinro never killed off any scvs and stayed at the 60ish range while artist sacked a bunch when he was pushing to get more tanks.
idk where you got the 'artist had 40+ supply in marine/medvac'
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On December 13 2011 12:02 bkrow wrote:Show nested quote +On December 13 2011 11:48 NipponBanzai wrote:
Haha just read all the earlier predictions. It is quite humorous. Not really. You're pretty deluded if you couldn't see Liquid beating Reign. Just because it didn't happen doesn't mean it can't. HerO is capable of taking out any of the Reign roster except Inori - he got blindly sniped by Reign on the first map which was unfortunate. Had HerO been available, Ret and Sheth are more than capable back ups to do some serious damage. Liquid` certainly has the potential to win they just played pretty poorly. They really needed HerO to be available for SLush and Artist especially after Reign sent Inori out game 1
LOL its cuz liquid lost...everybody expected them to roll over reign ezpz, but that didnt happen
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On December 13 2011 12:12 aviator116 wrote:Show nested quote +On December 13 2011 12:03 GeorgeForeman wrote:On December 13 2011 11:59 aviator116 wrote:On December 13 2011 11:55 Sabersharp wrote:On December 13 2011 11:53 Rinny wrote:
I hate to be that guy but are all the games played on NA? if so RGN would be at an advantage because all their players because of liquids roster, only sheth and tyler reside in NA and of them only sheth has had strong results lately. Calling TL weak based on these team leagues is unfair especially considering the teams strong individual performances. Teams strong individual performances? I dun think so.Only HerO and Ret are giving strong individual performance.The rest not so much. not ret either besides some decent MLG performances...seriously Hero is the ONLY liquid hope. On December 13 2011 11:54 GeorgeForeman wrote:
Help me out here. Where was Jinro's army? That was 40 supply locked up in marines/medvacs, and Jinro was up by like 8-10 going into the fight. AND THEN Jinro lost the air battle and badly. So clearly he had fewer Vikings.... I don't get it. Did he massively over-produce workers? Did he just have 20 extra tanks that ALL died when marines fell on them? Where was that extra supply? Jinro did lose a shitload of tanks during that siegefest, but i think he was also producing too much bio/scvs. Artist just had the superior tank count, and that in macro TvTs is the important factor. Wait, what? He had the superior tank count, 40+ supply in marine/medvac, AND more air units, ALL with fewer supply than Jinro? That makes no sense. artist never had superior bio army. JINRO had the better MMM army, but artist definitely had more tanks and more vikings, and tbh thats the only thing that matters in a TvT. It helps that Jinro never killed off any scvs and stayed at the 60ish range while artist sacked a bunch when he was pushing to get more tanks. idk where you got the 'artist had 40+ supply in marine/medvac'
Were you even watching the game? Artist broke Jinro's tank line by taking 4-5 medvacs full of marines (--> 40 supply) and dropping marines all over it.
And Jinro NEVER had a bio army?! He made some marines (like, 8), but it was hellion/tank the rest of the way with a couple banshees and like 8 vikings thrown in. At least, that's the entire army he had in the middle of the map when he got wrecked.
You may be right about the SCVs. I didn't see Artist sack any SCVs (casters didn't put unit tab up too often), so that could account for some of the difference.
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that was pretty bad by liquid i think they're obviously capable of winning and the predictions were reasonably in their favor. dunno what happened.
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This rebroadcast game between Inori and TLO makes me think that TLO isn't even trying. It's kinda sad :/
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On December 13 2011 11:49 aviator116 wrote:Show nested quote +On December 13 2011 11:48 NipponBanzai wrote:
Haha just read all the earlier predictions. It is quite humorous. everybody else: TL IS GONNA GO 5-2/5-1/5-0!! yeah that didnt turn out real well ...
This happens to reign all the time...people were predicting 5-0 for complexity-mvp against reign as well...reign is super underrated
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Remember guys, Reign initially had the longest win streak for IPL team arena before being knocked out by Fnatic. We all know what happened from there.
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Very poor showing by Liquid. 
But people are giving too much shit to Liquid and there is signifigant precadence for TL destroying foriegn teams. In the GCP they 3-1ed most teams (except a 3-0 by Mouz and a 3-2 by EG). They also took 3 games off SlayerS, however I wouldn't argue that is a good result. TL needs to be beat teams like SlayerS and especially lower tier teams like Reign. If I am reading some of the TLer's opinions correctly, there's a belief that TL doesn't have what it takes to become such a high tier team.
That's simply not true. This is just the low point for TL.
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On December 13 2011 12:10 Joshy.IGN wrote:
Thanks for watching, hope you all enjoyed my casting at least a little bit. =P
It was very good, I don't understand why they don't throw you in more often XD
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awww. TLO
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That has got to hurt. I think 2011 was TL's year but maybe next year the players will come back in full form and dominate again.
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Artist is a beast, no doubt about it. Good fight from both sides
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Tl out makes me sad. ='( Keep fighting!!!
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What just happened? Liquid 1-10 and out?
Not going to lie, that was an embarassing showing for Liquid. I could attribute the all-kill by Sase as a surprise that caught them off guard, but to allow themselves to get overrun again is either due to them not caring or simply being burnt out (I cannot bring myself to say that the team does not have talent).
Liquid did seem to lack depth though, and after Hero and Sheth were sniped it was basically over (TLO played very...strangely, Ret used a unit composition that was just very poor, and Jinro was just outplayed). Sad day
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