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Contrary to popular belief Stephano is not from the States, any mindless spam asserting otherwise after this time (19:48 KST/ 5:48 AM EST/ 10:48 GMT) will meet a moderator response. We have enough confusing spam posting in LR threads these days. Lets try to keep the love for everyone's favourite French zerg reasonable.
And as always:
- No player bashing.
- No caster bashing.
- No balance whining.
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On December 12 2011 05:05 Ammanas wrote:
Predictions time!
MVP > MC
hero > Stephano
MVP < DongRaeGu
MC < hero
Stephano > DongRaeGu
hero < MVP
Stephano > MC
hero > DongRaeGu
Stephano > MVP
MC < DongRaeGu
Hero 3:1
Stephano 3:1
DRG 2:2
MVP 2:2
MC 0:4
It's always funny to see someone make predictions who obviously doesn't follow the korean scene at all
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hoping for MC, HerO, DongRaeGu to advance :D
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Is this tournament covered by a GSL November season ticket?
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I think that we can all agree that Stephano has become a very accomplished top foreigner recently.
Is he as good as the top Koreans? Not even close.
We can consider "top foreigners" to be as good as top Koreans when they actually start winning games in Code A . . . . which may or may not happen soon. So far, all of these "top foreigners" that have been invited to participate in Code A (except Huk, who's trained in Korea for almost a year now) got completely demolished by Koreans most of you have never heard of. If Stephano can prove otherwise, then he's proven that he can roll with Code A Koreans.
If he can make it to Code S and take games off of top Koreans regularly, he'd probably be considered the best foreigner right now.
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MvP is my god, but this group is going to be quite the obstacle. I'm not sure if he will make it out tbh.. o.o'
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The Stephano fanboyism is getting pretty ridiculous, he won't advance from the group stages he is the worst player in his group.
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My predictions (however I acknowledge that this is Bo1...)
1. MVP
2. Hero
3. DongRaeGu
4. MC
5. Stephano
However, this is such a good group, it could even be the other way round...
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Code A is a lot different than this at least the group stage. I doubt the players are going to have time to prepare specific builds for specific opponents like they do in Code A especially some of the ones that have been traveling and that is the main reason for the KR code a domination.
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do you need to purchase an extra ticket? or is the normal season ticket enough? ty 
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On December 12 2011 05:13 zefreak wrote:Show nested quote +On December 12 2011 05:05 Ammanas wrote:
Predictions time!
MVP > MC
hero > Stephano
MVP < DongRaeGu
MC < hero
Stephano > DongRaeGu
hero < MVP
Stephano > MC
hero > DongRaeGu
Stephano > MVP
MC < DongRaeGu
Hero 3:1
Stephano 3:1
DRG 2:2
MVP 2:2
MC 0:4 It's always funny to see someone make predictions who obviously doesn't follow the korean scene at all
Well, I do have tickets for last three GSLs bought and I watched every Code S/A VoD. I never missed KSL since it began. I am trying to watch as much of korean weeklies as I can. I think I am watching korean scene... And yeah, these predictions are a little bit biased but I think they are not THAT off. MVP losing to DRG (who is great vT) and Stephano in Bo1 is not that off. HerO winning PvZs is not that off either, MC will lose his PvZs for sure. Hero and MC in PvP, well, just look at recent records.... Hero will win. ZvZ and MC v MVP may go either way, thats just how I feel it will end...
On December 12 2011 05:25 chenchen wrote:
I think that we can all agree that Stephano has become a very accomplished top foreigner recently.
Is he as good as the top Koreans? Not even close.
We can consider "top foreigners" to be as good as top Koreans when they actually start winning games in Code A . . . . which may or may not happen soon. So far, all of these "top foreigners" that have been invited to participate in Code A (except Huk, who's trained in Korea for almost a year now) got completely demolished by Koreans most of you have never heard of. If Stephano can prove otherwise, then he's proven that he can roll with Code A Koreans.
If he can make it to Code S and take games off of top Koreans regularly, he'd probably be considered the best foreigner right now.
Thing is, half of the players in Code A are better than some players in Code S
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On December 12 2011 05:28 Ammanas wrote:Show nested quote +On December 12 2011 05:13 zefreak wrote:On December 12 2011 05:05 Ammanas wrote:
Predictions time!
MVP > MC
hero > Stephano
MVP < DongRaeGu
MC < hero
Stephano > DongRaeGu
hero < MVP
Stephano > MC
hero > DongRaeGu
Stephano > MVP
MC < DongRaeGu
Hero 3:1
Stephano 3:1
DRG 2:2
MVP 2:2
MC 0:4 It's always funny to see someone make predictions who obviously doesn't follow the korean scene at all Well, I do have tickets for last three GSLs bought and I watched every Code S/A VoD. I never missed KSL since it began. I am trying to watch as much of korean weeklies as I can. I think I am watching korean scene... And yeah, these predictions are a little bit biased but I think they are not THAT off. MVP losing to DRG (who is great vT) and Stephano in Bo1 is not that off. HerO winning PvZs is not that off either, MC will lose his PvZs for sure. Hero and MC in PvP, well, just look at recent records.... Hero will win. ZvZ and MC v MVP may go either way, thats just how I feel it will end...
You clearly don't have a clue because vP is MVP's worst matchup with vZ being almost as good as his vT. If MVP is going to lose it's going to be against MC/Hero, though he owned both of them at MLG Providence.
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all i can say, your "predictions" are full of upsets, even for a BO1.
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On December 12 2011 05:28 Ammanas wrote:Show nested quote +On December 12 2011 05:13 zefreak wrote:On December 12 2011 05:05 Ammanas wrote:
Predictions time!
MVP > MC
hero > Stephano
MVP < DongRaeGu
MC < hero
Stephano > DongRaeGu
hero < MVP
Stephano > MC
hero > DongRaeGu
Stephano > MVP
MC < DongRaeGu
Hero 3:1
Stephano 3:1
DRG 2:2
MVP 2:2
MC 0:4 It's always funny to see someone make predictions who obviously doesn't follow the korean scene at all Well, I do have tickets for last three GSLs bought and I watched every Code S/A VoD. I never missed KSL since it began. I am trying to watch as much of korean weeklies as I can. I think I am watching korean scene... And yeah, these predictions are a little bit biased but I think they are not THAT off. MVP losing to DRG (who is great vT) and Stephano in Bo1 is not that off. HerO winning PvZs is not that off either, MC will lose his PvZs for sure. Hero and MC in PvP, well, just look at recent records.... Hero will win. ZvZ and MC v MVP may go either way, thats just how I feel it will end...
What records tell you Hero will beat MC in a PvP? MC 2-0ed Hero in their only tournament meeting, and it's not like Hero has been some god of PvP. He beat Hasuobs and Hwangsin ooo wow. Dongraegu also 2-0ed Hero at dreamhack, yes Hero looks good stomping on ret and sheth but he still hasn't beaten a high level korean zerg. The only person in this group Hero is favored to win against is maybe Stephano.
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On December 12 2011 05:28 Ammanas wrote:Thing is, half of the players in Code A are better than some players in Code S
If this was true they wouldn't have been stuck in code a. Even before this format change the turnover wasn't as bad as people made it seem especially back when it was 16 players instead of 8. The reason Koreans dominate foreigners in Code A has nothing to do with Code A's skill level it is all that Koreans are still much much better at preparing for specific opponents. Stuff that is impossible in almost all the tournaments where foreigners have beat top Koreans.
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On December 12 2011 03:41 MrCon wrote:Show nested quote +On December 12 2011 03:36 Lasbike wrote:
I don't know if there is a betting website out there, but Mvp on Shakuras Plateau against Stephano must be pretty one sided :p Mon 12/12 4201 Mvp Offline Offline Offline 01:25 AM 4202 MC Offline Offline Offline Mon 12/12 4203 Hero 1.625 01:25 AM 4204 Stephano 2.360 Mon 12/12 4205 Mvp 1.752 01:25 AM 4206 DongRaeGu 2.140 Mon 12/12 4207 Hero 1.735 01:25 AM 4208 MC 2.160 Mon 12/12 4209 Stephano 2.050 01:25 AM 4210 DongRaeGu 1.813 Mon 12/12 4211 Hero 2.230 01:25 AM 4212 Mvp 1.694 Mon 12/12 4213 Stephano 2.160 01:25 AM 4214 MC 1.735 Mon 12/12 4215 Hero 1.935 01:25 AM 4216 DongRaeGu 1.917 Mon 12/12 4217 Stephano 2.420 01:25 AM 4218 Mvp 1.599 Mon 12/12 4219 MC 2.190 01:25 AM 4220 DongRaeGu 1.719 Not sure why MC vs MVP is removed. Stephano is not that an underdog. for people who think he'll get crushed, here's a wa yto make a lot of money :p anyway, I think people are growing the bo1 thing out of proportion. It's not one bo1 and you're out, it's 4 bo1 and the 3 players who score the most advance. It makes a big difference in the randomness of results. Yes, it's harder to predict a single result, but the overall result will still be coherent with the perceived skill level (and if it's not, it won't be because of the format 100% of the times, but most likely because one player will play badly). Imagining bo1 are super volatile and MVP would be cheesed, he would still win his next 3 games and advance. It's bad for us because we would like to see more games, but as a format I don't think it's bad.
Very interesting odds.
If I read them correctly, Stephano is the underdog in each of the matches? Biggest underdog vs Hero (*edit: actually biggest dog vs MVP).... MVP is favored in each match, biggest vs Hero.
If I were going to take 1 bet, I would take Stephano to beat Hero with those odds.
Regardless, it looks like the oddmakers agree its a close group with MVP the favorite and 2nd place a toss-up.
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On December 12 2011 05:30 Esk23 wrote:Show nested quote +On December 12 2011 05:28 Ammanas wrote:On December 12 2011 05:13 zefreak wrote:On December 12 2011 05:05 Ammanas wrote:
Predictions time!
MVP > MC
hero > Stephano
MVP < DongRaeGu
MC < hero
Stephano > DongRaeGu
hero < MVP
Stephano > MC
hero > DongRaeGu
Stephano > MVP
MC < DongRaeGu
Hero 3:1
Stephano 3:1
DRG 2:2
MVP 2:2
MC 0:4 It's always funny to see someone make predictions who obviously doesn't follow the korean scene at all Well, I do have tickets for last three GSLs bought and I watched every Code S/A VoD. I never missed KSL since it began. I am trying to watch as much of korean weeklies as I can. I think I am watching korean scene... And yeah, these predictions are a little bit biased but I think they are not THAT off. MVP losing to DRG (who is great vT) and Stephano in Bo1 is not that off. HerO winning PvZs is not that off either, MC will lose his PvZs for sure. Hero and MC in PvP, well, just look at recent records.... Hero will win. ZvZ and MC v MVP may go either way, thats just how I feel it will end... You clearly don't have a clue because vP is MVP's worst matchup with vZ being almost as good as his vT. If MVP is going to lose it's going to be against MC/Hero, though he owned both of them at MLG Providence.
Yeah MVP will most likely win against Hero, but him and MC are very close, they've met eachother at WCG, AOL, GSL groups etc etc and I don't think their record is too skewed.
On topic: Looks like Stephano won't go 0-5 atleast (lol dual sight vs MC), will probably win against Hero so might be able to squeeze by in 3rd place depending on how tie breakers are done
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This group is so stacked! Too bad we can't have Bo3s in the group matches
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On December 12 2011 05:28 Finrod1 wrote:do you need to purchase an extra ticket? or is the normal season ticket enough? ty
You need to purchase a separate ticket that costs as much as a normal season's ticket (10 dollars) unless you buy a premium year long ticket for 2012. (100 dollars does not include gstl)
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My 5 favourite players!!! I'm definitely watching this. Hoping for Stephano to take first and DongRaeGu to take second.
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MVP should make it, but this group is definiatly pretty volatile.
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