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Todie
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
Sweden46 Posts
December 03 2011 15:22 GMT
#9681
To everyone not able to watch live realizing there is no rebroadcast or free VOD's

make your voice heard at r/new
Petter Rudberg @Todie #3264 on Discord /u/Todie on reddit
Larsion
Profile Joined March 2011
Sweden25 Posts
December 03 2011 15:37 GMT
#9682
On December 04 2011 00:22 Todie wrote:
To everyone not able to watch live realizing there is no rebroadcast or free VOD's

make your voice heard at r/new


i dont see the problem, pay for it or dont watch if u dont think its worth it. will solve itself...
babybell
Profile Joined June 2011
776 Posts
December 03 2011 15:44 GMT
#9683
What i saw last night in the low quality stream:
A weird intro for each player that seemed like a boxer entering the arena mixed with a red carpet feeling and about 4-7 fans around the red carpet in a massive empty room. Was the quality messing up what i was seeing or did it happen that way? Seemed so try-hard and a big failure.
Derez
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
Netherlands6068 Posts
December 03 2011 15:44 GMT
#9684
On December 03 2011 23:21 MrCon wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 03 2011 23:13 magnaflow wrote:
I love how for MLG or dreamhack someone would have started a day 2 thread yesterday (or early this morning) yet here we are still chatting in the day 1 thread. Just shows there is little to no interest in the NASL.

I am really curious what the crowd is going to be like today. If it's anything like yesterday this event will be a complete failure.

I would do it if I could be there to update it. I feel all this negativity is unfair toward NASL, yesterday was awesome except the lack of crowd. Good games, good casting, good production, awesome red carpet. They really did a good job and now I feel bad for not supporting them enough

I'm not sure what tournament you are watching, but I went to bed during sen vs TT1. Up to that point hasu vs. huk had been great, Hero vs Hwangsin had turned into showboating, Brat_OK vs. Dimaga was just terrible and Sen vs TT1 was shaping up to be another onesided faceroll.

Casting was weird and had no synergy until BitterDam came on stage, the production consisted of 1950's splash screens, interviews in the dark, motion sickness from zooming in and out, there's gamma/color issues on the stream and the sound is just terrible (both out of sync and terribly mixed). The red carpet could've been great with an actual crowd. Did it actually get any better after I went to bed?

Ofcourse, in the end all that matters are the games and s1 was saved by the final series. It could happen again, but that wouldn't be to NASL's credits (or at least not to the way they set up their big finals event). I paid for a s1 pass, and felt it wasn't worth it, and I'm not even considering spending 10 USD on this. The money isn't the issue, 10 USD is nothing for a weekend of entertainment, it's just that you actually have to improve between events. I have bought every single GSL season, and have an MLG pass for that exact reason.
Coolhwip
Profile Joined March 2011
Sweden1381 Posts
December 03 2011 15:45 GMT
#9685
Hoping for a Hero - Thorzain/Morrow final. That would be awsome! :D
crack
kakaman
Profile Blog Joined January 2010
United States1576 Posts
December 03 2011 15:45 GMT
#9686
Can someone summarize the song intros for all the players? Thanks!
MHT
Profile Joined August 2010
Sweden1026 Posts
December 03 2011 15:46 GMT
#9687
On December 04 2011 00:37 Larsion wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 04 2011 00:22 Todie wrote:
To everyone not able to watch live realizing there is no rebroadcast or free VOD's

make your voice heard at r/new


i dont see the problem, pay for it or dont watch if u dont think its worth it. will solve itself...

Well they lose a huge part of their viewership and get less sponsor exposure, I dont know if its worth it over membership sales. Also it doesnt seem fair for americans to be able to see it for free while we have to either stay up until morning or pay to watch it. I wont support them if they want to do it like this, they have to step up to the competition or vanish the way i see it.
Larsion
Profile Joined March 2011
Sweden25 Posts
December 03 2011 15:55 GMT
#9688
On December 04 2011 00:46 MHT wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 04 2011 00:37 Larsion wrote:
On December 04 2011 00:22 Todie wrote:
To everyone not able to watch live realizing there is no rebroadcast or free VOD's

make your voice heard at r/new


i dont see the problem, pay for it or dont watch if u dont think its worth it. will solve itself...

Well they lose a huge part of their viewership and get less sponsor exposure, I dont know if its worth it over membership sales. Also it doesnt seem fair for americans to be able to see it for free while we have to either stay up until morning or pay to watch it. I wont support them if they want to do it like this, they have to step up to the competition or vanish the way i see it.

Thats what i mean, its NASLs problem, if they dont want euro viewers its their loss.
Inky87
Profile Joined January 2011
United States533 Posts
December 03 2011 16:03 GMT
#9689
While I understand European's problem, this is no different than GSL. I stay up all night past 6AM pretty regularly to watch it because I don't want to pay for vods. If NASL wants to forgo the pay model over the weekend, that's their choice, but nobody should blame them not doing so especially after they decreased the price 15 dollars. Yesterday was pretty fantastic overall and anyone complaining about the production is nitpicking. The players were great, the casting was great, the games were great, some upsets were had. Fantastic tournament so far. Sorry the tournament is ran at an inconvenient time for you guys. You're missing out.
Todie
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
Sweden46 Posts
December 03 2011 16:08 GMT
#9690
On December 04 2011 01:03 Inky87 wrote:
While I understand European's problem, this is no different than GSL. I stay up all night past 6AM pretty regularly to watch it because I don't want to pay for vods. If NASL wants to forgo the pay model over the weekend, that's their choice, but nobody should blame them not doing so especially after they decreased the price 15 dollars. Yesterday was pretty fantastic overall and anyone complaining about the production is nitpicking. The players were great, the casting was great, the games were great, some upsets were had. Fantastic tournament so far. Sorry the tournament is ran at an inconvenient time for you guys. You're missing out.

GSL has the production value and consistent quality in everything they do to warrant subscriptions. NASL doesnt.
Petter Rudberg @Todie #3264 on Discord /u/Todie on reddit
Mauldo
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
United States750 Posts
December 03 2011 16:26 GMT
#9691
On December 04 2011 00:46 MHT wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 04 2011 00:37 Larsion wrote:
On December 04 2011 00:22 Todie wrote:
To everyone not able to watch live realizing there is no rebroadcast or free VOD's

make your voice heard at r/new


i dont see the problem, pay for it or dont watch if u dont think its worth it. will solve itself...

Well they lose a huge part of their viewership and get less sponsor exposure, I dont know if its worth it over membership sales. Also it doesnt seem fair for americans to be able to see it for free while we have to either stay up until morning or pay to watch it. I wont support them if they want to do it like this, they have to step up to the competition or vanish the way i see it.


What do you mean it's not fair? It's the North American Star League in North America. It'd be like me bitching that the GSL is broadcast only at 4am here in America. They're in a different country. Either pay for the VODs or don't, but don't start about "fair" or "unfair" when they have a VOD service you can pay for. Maybe you'd have a point if there were no VODs at all, but they do. Whether or not you find them worth the investment is immaterial.
Letall
Profile Joined April 2010
Sweden384 Posts
December 03 2011 16:34 GMT
#9692
On December 03 2011 21:47 Full.tilt wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 03 2011 21:01 Full.tilt wrote:
On December 03 2011 20:16 Letall wrote:
How where the Mana Vs Morrow games? Did morrow go infestor Blingdrops? Hate that I missed it : /


Game 1
+ Show Spoiler +

Very passive start,

Mana went 1 gate expand into 4gate, stargate and forge.

Morrow had got to 3 base into lair by then.

mana built a VR and went overlord hunting, 3 phoenix joined in, killed quite a few overlords, 7 or 8, Morrow slowly dealt with it with queens and a couple of spore crawlers and macroed through it with a 4th base + 90 drones @ 10 min mark.

mana still didn't attack even though he must've seen no army for Morrow, built up his own deathball, stalker, sentry, zealot, couple of colossus @14min.

Morrow kept up macro econ + tech, hive - now has an amy of ling, infestor and 9 corrupters @ 14min starts greater spire. Plus adds some roaches to the army mix.

Critical moment @16min, Mana warp prism with 4 zealots +1 att drop onto morphing greater spire (can't warp in anything else because he's supply blocked), Morrows army out of position in middle of map, Greater spire is defended by drones and a couple of queens, 3 transfusions barely keep it alive in the red before the zealots are cleaned up.

@20mins big engagement, Morrow rolls over Mana's deathball with nice fungals, lings, roaches and 10 broodlords. ling reinforcements and remains of morrows higher tier units clean up most of mana's warp in reinforcements as well. Has about a 50 supply lead - game goes on until about 28 mins until mana gg's


game 2

+ Show Spoiler +
mana forge expand plus 1 cannon, Morrow 13 pool 20 hatch,

Mana wallin with 2 cannons, morrow goes to 3 base, mana goes to 5 gate plus colossus tech @9min

Morrow techs to banes plus drops

@13min Morrow splits army into 2, - 5 overlords full of lings goes to drop main while roaches go to mana's wallin. Ling drop gets repelled, roaches take out forge, Morrow pulls both armies back. Mana pushes out with his stalker plus colossus to try to get some map control but ends up pulling back.

Morrow finally morphs some banelings, adds infestors to his roach army, fills 10 overlords with banelings

Mana has about 30 stalkers plus 5 colossus, it starts to banerain and all 5 bunched up colossus evaporate plus half his stalkers, roaches clean up the rest. Morrow pulls back 174 to 116 supply in Morrow's favour, Morrow on 4 base, mana just starting his 4th.

Morrow makes about 8 corrupters to handle the new couple of colossus, Morrow pushes in and wipes out Mana's army again (roach, infestor, ling + corrupters) - a few more battles occur, Morrow always has at least a 60 supply lead but it's basically over, mana gg's after a few mins when he's had enough of being strangled and abused.


getting bored now, mana isn't aggressive enough, and morrow takes full advantage and gets to do whatever he wants.

game 3

+ Show Spoiler +
Both same openings, forge expand and 13 pool 20 hatch.

This time the first 4 lings get past the just finishing cannon at the expansion into main base because it's a smaller map. 3 get in kill one probe, remaining 2 remain very annoying for a few mins and pick off 3 more probes, delays mana's tech as he doesn't want to show what he's doing whilst lings remain alive.

mana does get aggressive earlier this game @10 min attacks morrows 3rd with stalker, sentry army. Morrow lets it die and counters with roaches and lings to deny mana's 3rd whch is warping in. he leaves lings to deny 3rd and walks into mana's expansion with a load of roaches as mana's army tries to return home. Mana's army finally makes it back to see expansion die and a mass of roaches destroying his main nexus.

So to summarise, mana got aggressive took out Morrow's 3rd. Morrow countered and denied 3rd and killed mana's main and expansion's nexus'. Mana throws his army at Morrows main, Morrow holds, gg. So yeah i guess i can understand why he was so passive in the first two games


game 4

+ Show Spoiler +
nope


game 5

+ Show Spoiler +
still nope




Thanks man, really appreciate it
Dont tase me bro
SeraKuDA
Profile Joined November 2010
Canada343 Posts
December 03 2011 16:52 GMT
#9693
I don't want to be negative, but when I turned it on last night after I got home I was embarassed at the lack of people there... This was during the IdrA/Strelok match... Was it at least busier earlier?
HeavenS
Profile Joined August 2004
Colombia2259 Posts
December 03 2011 16:59 GMT
#9694
i hate tht i had to work late and couldnt watch any of it. and i work today again. AND im broke till i get paid. so i have to miss it all? thats bullshit.
Im cooler than the other side of the pillow.
gh0un
Profile Joined March 2011
601 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-12-03 17:17:30
December 03 2011 17:12 GMT
#9695
On December 04 2011 01:26 Mauldo wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 04 2011 00:46 MHT wrote:
On December 04 2011 00:37 Larsion wrote:
On December 04 2011 00:22 Todie wrote:
To everyone not able to watch live realizing there is no rebroadcast or free VOD's

make your voice heard at r/new


i dont see the problem, pay for it or dont watch if u dont think its worth it. will solve itself...

Well they lose a huge part of their viewership and get less sponsor exposure, I dont know if its worth it over membership sales. Also it doesnt seem fair for americans to be able to see it for free while we have to either stay up until morning or pay to watch it. I wont support them if they want to do it like this, they have to step up to the competition or vanish the way i see it.


What do you mean it's not fair? It's the North American Star League in North America. It'd be like me bitching that the GSL is broadcast only at 4am here in America.


If NASL doesnt want euro viewership thats absolutely fine with me.
I didnt watch any of NASL season 2 as of now because of their poor decision making and if thats how they want it to be who am i to make them change their decision, its their loss not ours, just like it is GSL´s loss that they dont rebroadcast for other countries.

I have a feeling though that the 2k viewers during the regular season is not what they had in mind when they started all this
Bad pricing models were the end for many other companies, NASL isnt the first one to fail at realizing it in time (changing their prices is evidence that they atleast understood that they DO have to change something, they just managed to completely miss the goal)
Slangen
Profile Joined August 2011
Sweden1166 Posts
December 03 2011 18:47 GMT
#9696
On December 03 2011 23:21 Kamikiri wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 03 2011 23:19 Moxi wrote:
On December 03 2011 23:17 Kamikiri wrote:
Who won between Demuslim and Thorzain?


+ Show Spoiler +
Thorzain 3 - 0


Thank you, I checked the results and it didn't seem updated completely. I appreciate it.

Yeah, i was wondering about that too. Only see results for two games.
Fnatic - TSM - EG
ThaZenith
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
Canada3116 Posts
December 03 2011 18:48 GMT
#9697
I'm glad Sheth put up a real fight for Puma. Really enjoyed the first day (much more than season one lol), everything was reasonably well done.

Although the crowd there is kinda terrible. If I was anywhere remotely close I wouldn't hesitate to go, even if NASL doesn't have the same hype factor as MLG.
4ZakeN87
Profile Joined June 2011
Sweden1071 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-12-03 20:17:31
December 03 2011 20:12 GMT
#9698
Starting to be a long "few minutes"

More like 20 so far :/
"Everything should be made as simple as possible, but not simpler" Einstein
Snijjer
Profile Joined September 2011
United States989 Posts
December 03 2011 23:11 GMT
#9699
Where's the day2 thread?
Zorkmid
Profile Joined November 2008
4410 Posts
December 04 2011 06:03 GMT
#9700
SWEET!

What game?
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