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Brutalin
Profile Joined October 2011
Sweden74 Posts
November 26 2011 18:09 GMT
#4021
Puma plays to win, not to entertain. If i was as good as puma with the 1-1-1 i would go for it too.
ZenithM
Profile Joined February 2011
France15952 Posts
November 26 2011 18:09 GMT
#4022
As far as I know, there is no clear BO win against 1-1-1, you just have to defend it well, that's why it's not really a risk for Terran players, they always have the room to win with this build, regardless of what you open with.
SafeAsCheese
Profile Joined June 2011
United States4924 Posts
November 26 2011 18:10 GMT
#4023
On November 27 2011 03:08 ronpaul012 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 27 2011 03:08 SafeAsCheese wrote:
On November 27 2011 03:07 Noocta wrote:
On November 27 2011 03:07 1Eris1 wrote:
I hate this whole
"oh puma is such a bad player because he relies on 1-1-1)
HE PLAYS TO WIN
The guy can play amazing macro games we've all seen it, he's not fucking bitbyebye or something, he just plays smart.
Why the fuck would you play only macro games if thats where your oppenent is strongest?

If 1-1-1 is imbalanced or whatever fine, hate the build, not the player. Players should always play to win.


He just use it a bit too much for everyone taste.


MorroW used 5RR too much.

MC used 6gate blink too much.

etc.

It's called winning


Both of those builds are easily held when scouted. 1-1-1 isn't.


Both were nerfed.

Before the nerf, both were not easy to hold when you knew it was coming.
StarStruck
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
25339 Posts
November 26 2011 18:10 GMT
#4024
On November 27 2011 03:09 Goshdarnit wrote:
Regardless of the build that was a fun match to watch puma play. Great positioning. Also why not colossus range?


as the other guy said, he had to build observers as puma kept taking them out.
poorcloud
Profile Joined April 2011
Singapore2748 Posts
November 26 2011 18:10 GMT
#4025
111 is figured out. Why is everyone complaing so much when we have seen more and more protosses hold it. Nightend held off a 111 from naama as well. Puma just does it on another level.
Lann555
Profile Joined February 2010
Netherlands5173 Posts
November 26 2011 18:10 GMT
#4026
On November 27 2011 03:09 bubl100500 wrote:
I've never seen 1base collosi win against 1-1-1, especially when it's done by Puma.


Ye, well it probably works at the level Artosis and Day9 play at, but vs Puma he will screw you over. Collosus means you will be low on stalkers so you autolose vs banshee
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Talin
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
Montenegro10532 Posts
November 26 2011 18:10 GMT
#4027
On November 27 2011 03:08 SafeAsCheese wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 27 2011 03:07 Noocta wrote:
On November 27 2011 03:07 1Eris1 wrote:
I hate this whole
"oh puma is such a bad player because he relies on 1-1-1)
HE PLAYS TO WIN
The guy can play amazing macro games we've all seen it, he's not fucking bitbyebye or something, he just plays smart.
Why the fuck would you play only macro games if thats where your oppenent is strongest?

If 1-1-1 is imbalanced or whatever fine, hate the build, not the player. Players should always play to win.


He just use it a bit too much for everyone taste.


MorroW used 5RR too much.

MC used 6gate blink too much.

etc.

It's called winning


And like in MC's case, it's called "hoping to win as much as possible until people actually get good enough and I drop to Code B".
Demonaz
Profile Joined January 2011
United Kingdom1219 Posts
November 26 2011 18:10 GMT
#4028
On November 27 2011 03:09 guoguo wrote:
Holy crap, Day9's voice is so coarse I thought he was Tasteless.


haha same, I think it was that hour long game last night which did it :D
wei2coolman
Profile Joined November 2010
United States60033 Posts
November 26 2011 18:10 GMT
#4029
Puma is a 1/1/1 specialist, no one else can exploit 1/1/1 as well as puma.

PUMA FIGHTING!
liftlift > tsm
hysterial
Profile Joined April 2011
United States2044 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-11-26 18:10:28
November 26 2011 18:10 GMT
#4030
On November 27 2011 03:09 Elefanto wrote:
No Artosis, one base colossus is a shitty build against 1-1-1.


Yeah artosis is quite wrong. People should just start one gate expand/nexus first imo.
SnowfaLL
Profile Joined December 2008
Canada730 Posts
November 26 2011 18:10 GMT
#4031
Definitely hate Puma, but saw this coming a mile away. Whenever he loses one game in a series vs Protoss, thats just what he does.

I really think protoss's need to go back to what Tails did; if its banshee heavy, get afew phoenix to stop the banshee harass and keep with the fast collosus. Stalkers just can't do anything vs banshees until blink
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towel
Profile Joined October 2009
Sweden156 Posts
November 26 2011 18:10 GMT
#4032
yawn at pumas play
"Sir we are surrounded! - Exelent, then we can attack in every direction!"
Seeker *
Profile Blog Joined April 2005
Where dat snitch at?37118 Posts
November 26 2011 18:10 GMT
#4033
On November 27 2011 03:08 ComusLoM wrote:
God I hate 1-1-1. Makes for horrible games and makes protoss look impossible.


Lately.... TvP is looking near impossible for us.... :[

1-1-1 though I admit is very brutal and detestable, is kind of a ace in the hole for us. No use in not using it if you know it works.
ModeratorPeople ask me, "Seeker, what are you seeking?" My answer? "Sleep, damn it! Always sleep!"
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Monoamine
Profile Joined April 2011
United States153 Posts
November 26 2011 18:10 GMT
#4034
1 base colossus might work but only if you focus fire the marines and upgrade extended thermal lance.
adeezy
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States1428 Posts
November 26 2011 18:10 GMT
#4035
woah tasteless looks so tired
I asked my friend how the ratio at a party was, he replied. "Let's just say for every guy there was two dudes."
Romitelli
Profile Blog Joined August 2011
Brunei Darussalam566 Posts
November 26 2011 18:10 GMT
#4036
The couch idea is so cool, man. Really helps filling in the downtime between the games.

And the heartbeat monitor on the players is also interesting.
Zed's dead, baby, Zed's dead.
Skyline026
Profile Joined September 2011
Netherlands1129 Posts
November 26 2011 18:10 GMT
#4037
On November 27 2011 03:08 BronzeKnee wrote:
I've tried one base Colossus so many times, and it doesn't work at all vs the 1-1-1.



Ok bronze.

Ill make sure everybody gets the memo.

User was temp banned for this post.
Liquid'Ret - Mana - Liquid'Dota fighting!
Kira__
Profile Joined April 2011
Sweden2672 Posts
November 26 2011 18:10 GMT
#4038
So 1-1-1 is easier to use than to hold? So is a lot other stuff. 11-11 2rax opening vs z for example, yet no one gets this kind of hate for it.
The truth is, Yagami-kun, I suspect that you may in fact be Kira.
Drake
Profile Joined October 2010
Germany6146 Posts
November 26 2011 18:10 GMT
#4039
i love this between game discussion rounds so much !!!
Nb.Drake / CoL_Drake / Original Joined TL.net Tuesday, 15th of March 2005
thirnaz
Profile Joined October 2010
Sweden876 Posts
November 26 2011 18:10 GMT
#4040
On November 27 2011 03:08 mordk wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 27 2011 03:07 1Eris1 wrote:
I hate this whole
"oh puma is such a bad player because he relies on 1-1-1)
HE PLAYS TO WIN
The guy can play amazing macro games we've all seen it, he's not fucking bitbyebye or something, he just plays smart.
Why the fuck would you play only macro games if thats where your oppenent is strongest?

If 1-1-1 is imbalanced or whatever fine, hate the build, not the player. Players should always play to win.


BitByeByePrime hahahahahaha

If what BitByBit actually did was sooooo easy, why didnt you do it and win some money?:>

I agree though with certain builds being stupid / easy and it gives people wins that they maybe shouldnt have but if they were sooo easy as people seem to believe why not use them yourself and get #1 GM and win some money in tournaments?
SlayerS_MMA and TL #1
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