• Log InLog In
  • Register
Liquid`
Team Liquid Liquipedia
EDT 10:34
CEST 16:34
KST 23:34
  • Home
  • Forum
  • Calendar
  • Streams
  • Liquipedia
  • Features
  • Store
  • EPT
  • TL+
  • StarCraft 2
  • Brood War
  • Smash
  • Heroes
  • Counter-Strike
  • Overwatch
  • Liquibet
  • Fantasy StarCraft
  • TLPD
  • StarCraft 2
  • Brood War
  • Blogs
Forum Sidebar
Events/Features
News
Featured News
Serral wins HomeStory Cup 2915Serral wins Maestros of the Game 243ByuL, and the Limitations of Standard Play3Team Liquid Map Contest #22: Results and Winners7Code S Season 2 (2026): RO4 and Finals Preview12
Community News
GSTL Returns in 2026!37Weekly Cups (Aug 3-9): Protoss get shut out7RSL goes to London! 2026 Offline Finals Nov 21-2212Weekly Cups (July 27-Aug 2): SHIN's big week0SC4ALL II: Brood War - $2500 - Dec 5-611
StarCraft 2
General
GSTL Returns in 2026! Balance hotfix patch 5.0.16b (July 16) SC4ALL: II Talent Announcement! Protoss AoE skill expression Weekly Cups (Aug 3-9): Protoss get shut out
Tourneys
PIG STY FESTIVAL 8.0! (13 - 23 August) 2026 GSTL Announcement Sea Duckling Open (Global, Bronze-Diamond) 2026 KungFu Cup Announcement Sparkling Tuna Cup - Weekly Open Tournament
Strategy
[G] Having the right mentality to improve
Custom Maps
Nexus Wars 2021 GUIDE [M] (2) Industrial Park
External Content
Mutation # 538 Media Blackout The PondCast: SC2 News & Results Mutation # 537 Hostile Territory Mutation # 536 Railroad Switch
Brood War
General
ASL22 General Discussion BW General Discussion Best Games Kespa era [Personal Project Share] Terran Defense v0.60 BGH Auto Balance -> http://bghmmr.eu/
Tourneys
Escore Tournament - Season 3 BSL LAN Party - Kraków 29-30 August - OPEN SIGNUPS Small VOD Thread 2.0 [Megathread] Daily Proleagues
Strategy
Odyssey Mineral Stack Saturation Fighting Spirit mining rates Any training maps people recommend? Simple Questions, Simple Answers
Other Games
General Games
Nintendo Switch Thread Anyone here play Quakeworld back in the day? Stormgate/Frost Giant Megathread EVE Corporation General RTS Discussion Thread
Dota 2
Official 'what is Dota anymore' discussion
League of Legends
[TL LoL EUW IHs] Teemo shall perish TSM pausing esports and CLG Dead
Heroes of the Storm
Heroes of the Storm 2.0
Hearthstone
Deck construction bug
TL Mafia
TL Mafia Power Rank TL Mafia Community Thread NeO.D_StephenKing vs This Guy From 1 Million Dance
Community
General
US Politics Mega-thread European Politico-economics QA Mega-thread Russo-Ukrainian War Thread Artificial Intelligence Thread The Letting Off Steam Thread
Fan Clubs
MarineLorD Fan Club The ShoWTimE Fan Club The herO Fan Club!
Media & Entertainment
Movie Discussion! Anime Discussion Thread Series you have seen recently... [Req][Books] Good Fantasy/SciFi books
Sports
Football (Soccer) Thread TeamLiquid Health and Fitness Initiative For 2023 NBA General Discussion Formula 1 Discussion MLB/Baseball 2023
World Cup 2022
Tech Support
Computer Build, Upgrade & Buying Resource Thread Simple Questions Simple Answers FPS when play League Of Legend on laptop
TL Community
The Automated Ban List Northern Ireland Global Starcraft
Blogs
LOCKPICKING NOOB
LUCKY_NOOB
Chinese Gen Z: Between Dream…
TrAiDoS
Cathedral Of CS And NY pizza a…
FuDDx
Please support my new stand…
Peanutsc
Hello guys!
LIN1s
Customize Sidebar...

Website Feedback

Closed Threads



Active: 4747 users

DreamHack Winter 2011 Day 3 - Page 202

Forum Index > StarCraft 2 Tournaments
Post a Reply
Prev 1 200 201 202 203 204 636 Next
Brutalin
Profile Joined October 2011
Sweden74 Posts
November 26 2011 18:09 GMT
#4021
Puma plays to win, not to entertain. If i was as good as puma with the 1-1-1 i would go for it too.
ZenithM
Profile Joined February 2011
France15952 Posts
November 26 2011 18:09 GMT
#4022
As far as I know, there is no clear BO win against 1-1-1, you just have to defend it well, that's why it's not really a risk for Terran players, they always have the room to win with this build, regardless of what you open with.
SafeAsCheese
Profile Joined June 2011
United States4924 Posts
November 26 2011 18:10 GMT
#4023
On November 27 2011 03:08 ronpaul012 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 27 2011 03:08 SafeAsCheese wrote:
On November 27 2011 03:07 Noocta wrote:
On November 27 2011 03:07 1Eris1 wrote:
I hate this whole
"oh puma is such a bad player because he relies on 1-1-1)
HE PLAYS TO WIN
The guy can play amazing macro games we've all seen it, he's not fucking bitbyebye or something, he just plays smart.
Why the fuck would you play only macro games if thats where your oppenent is strongest?

If 1-1-1 is imbalanced or whatever fine, hate the build, not the player. Players should always play to win.


He just use it a bit too much for everyone taste.


MorroW used 5RR too much.

MC used 6gate blink too much.

etc.

It's called winning


Both of those builds are easily held when scouted. 1-1-1 isn't.


Both were nerfed.

Before the nerf, both were not easy to hold when you knew it was coming.
StarStruck
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
25339 Posts
November 26 2011 18:10 GMT
#4024
On November 27 2011 03:09 Goshdarnit wrote:
Regardless of the build that was a fun match to watch puma play. Great positioning. Also why not colossus range?


as the other guy said, he had to build observers as puma kept taking them out.
poorcloud
Profile Joined April 2011
Singapore2748 Posts
November 26 2011 18:10 GMT
#4025
111 is figured out. Why is everyone complaing so much when we have seen more and more protosses hold it. Nightend held off a 111 from naama as well. Puma just does it on another level.
Lann555
Profile Joined February 2010
Netherlands5173 Posts
November 26 2011 18:10 GMT
#4026
On November 27 2011 03:09 bubl100500 wrote:
I've never seen 1base collosi win against 1-1-1, especially when it's done by Puma.


Ye, well it probably works at the level Artosis and Day9 play at, but vs Puma he will screw you over. Collosus means you will be low on stalkers so you autolose vs banshee
Fantasy Fan! Gogogo vultures
Talin
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
Montenegro10532 Posts
November 26 2011 18:10 GMT
#4027
On November 27 2011 03:08 SafeAsCheese wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 27 2011 03:07 Noocta wrote:
On November 27 2011 03:07 1Eris1 wrote:
I hate this whole
"oh puma is such a bad player because he relies on 1-1-1)
HE PLAYS TO WIN
The guy can play amazing macro games we've all seen it, he's not fucking bitbyebye or something, he just plays smart.
Why the fuck would you play only macro games if thats where your oppenent is strongest?

If 1-1-1 is imbalanced or whatever fine, hate the build, not the player. Players should always play to win.


He just use it a bit too much for everyone taste.


MorroW used 5RR too much.

MC used 6gate blink too much.

etc.

It's called winning


And like in MC's case, it's called "hoping to win as much as possible until people actually get good enough and I drop to Code B".
Demonaz
Profile Joined January 2011
United Kingdom1219 Posts
November 26 2011 18:10 GMT
#4028
On November 27 2011 03:09 guoguo wrote:
Holy crap, Day9's voice is so coarse I thought he was Tasteless.


haha same, I think it was that hour long game last night which did it :D
wei2coolman
Profile Joined November 2010
United States60033 Posts
November 26 2011 18:10 GMT
#4029
Puma is a 1/1/1 specialist, no one else can exploit 1/1/1 as well as puma.

PUMA FIGHTING!
liftlift > tsm
hysterial
Profile Joined April 2011
United States2044 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-11-26 18:10:28
November 26 2011 18:10 GMT
#4030
On November 27 2011 03:09 Elefanto wrote:
No Artosis, one base colossus is a shitty build against 1-1-1.


Yeah artosis is quite wrong. People should just start one gate expand/nexus first imo.
SnowfaLL
Profile Joined December 2008
Canada730 Posts
November 26 2011 18:10 GMT
#4031
Definitely hate Puma, but saw this coming a mile away. Whenever he loses one game in a series vs Protoss, thats just what he does.

I really think protoss's need to go back to what Tails did; if its banshee heavy, get afew phoenix to stop the banshee harass and keep with the fast collosus. Stalkers just can't do anything vs banshees until blink
Favorites: Moon, Grubby, Naniwa, TAiLS, viOLeT, DongRaeGu
towel
Profile Joined October 2009
Sweden156 Posts
November 26 2011 18:10 GMT
#4032
yawn at pumas play
"Sir we are surrounded! - Exelent, then we can attack in every direction!"
Seeker *
Profile Blog Joined April 2005
Where dat snitch at?37103 Posts
November 26 2011 18:10 GMT
#4033
On November 27 2011 03:08 ComusLoM wrote:
God I hate 1-1-1. Makes for horrible games and makes protoss look impossible.


Lately.... TvP is looking near impossible for us.... :[

1-1-1 though I admit is very brutal and detestable, is kind of a ace in the hole for us. No use in not using it if you know it works.
ModeratorPeople ask me, "Seeker, what are you seeking?" My answer? "Sleep, damn it! Always sleep!"
TL+ Member
Monoamine
Profile Joined April 2011
United States153 Posts
November 26 2011 18:10 GMT
#4034
1 base colossus might work but only if you focus fire the marines and upgrade extended thermal lance.
adeezy
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States1428 Posts
November 26 2011 18:10 GMT
#4035
woah tasteless looks so tired
I asked my friend how the ratio at a party was, he replied. "Let's just say for every guy there was two dudes."
Romitelli
Profile Blog Joined August 2011
Brunei Darussalam566 Posts
November 26 2011 18:10 GMT
#4036
The couch idea is so cool, man. Really helps filling in the downtime between the games.

And the heartbeat monitor on the players is also interesting.
Zed's dead, baby, Zed's dead.
Skyline026
Profile Joined September 2011
Netherlands1129 Posts
November 26 2011 18:10 GMT
#4037
On November 27 2011 03:08 BronzeKnee wrote:
I've tried one base Colossus so many times, and it doesn't work at all vs the 1-1-1.



Ok bronze.

Ill make sure everybody gets the memo.

User was temp banned for this post.
Liquid'Ret - Mana - Liquid'Dota fighting!
Kira__
Profile Joined April 2011
Sweden2672 Posts
November 26 2011 18:10 GMT
#4038
So 1-1-1 is easier to use than to hold? So is a lot other stuff. 11-11 2rax opening vs z for example, yet no one gets this kind of hate for it.
The truth is, Yagami-kun, I suspect that you may in fact be Kira.
Drake
Profile Joined October 2010
Germany6146 Posts
November 26 2011 18:10 GMT
#4039
i love this between game discussion rounds so much !!!
Nb.Drake / CoL_Drake / Original Joined TL.net Tuesday, 15th of March 2005
thirnaz
Profile Joined October 2010
Sweden876 Posts
November 26 2011 18:10 GMT
#4040
On November 27 2011 03:08 mordk wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 27 2011 03:07 1Eris1 wrote:
I hate this whole
"oh puma is such a bad player because he relies on 1-1-1)
HE PLAYS TO WIN
The guy can play amazing macro games we've all seen it, he's not fucking bitbyebye or something, he just plays smart.
Why the fuck would you play only macro games if thats where your oppenent is strongest?

If 1-1-1 is imbalanced or whatever fine, hate the build, not the player. Players should always play to win.


BitByeByePrime hahahahahaha

If what BitByBit actually did was sooooo easy, why didnt you do it and win some money?:>

I agree though with certain builds being stupid / easy and it gives people wins that they maybe shouldnt have but if they were sooo easy as people seem to believe why not use them yourself and get #1 GM and win some money in tournaments?
SlayerS_MMA and TL #1
Prev 1 200 201 202 203 204 636 Next
Please log in or register to reply.
Live Events Refresh
PiG Sty Festival
12:00
PiGfest 8.0 Group C
Krystianer vs CureLIVE!
herO vs Solar
PiGStarcraft1212
IntoTheiNu 884
TaKeTV 354
BRAT_OK 119
3DClanTV 61
LiquipediaDiscussion
[ Submit Event ]
Live Streams
Refresh
StarCraft 2
PiGStarcraft1212
Serral 1148
Rex 158
BRAT_OK 119
SHIN 18
StarCraft: Brood War
Britney 65115
BeSt 817
EffOrt 782
Zeus 648
firebathero 427
Rush 285
ZerO 273
Leta 236
hero 127
Mong 111
[ Show more ]
PianO 89
Sharp 67
Free 66
ToSsGirL 63
Sexy 53
Bonyth 41
HiyA 28
zelot 26
Rock 20
Bale 19
Sacsri 14
Dota 2
The International63721
singsing5714
Dendi663
Counter-Strike
fl0m4101
Super Smash Bros
Mew2King123
Other Games
B2W.Neo622
Lowko464
DeMusliM213
Liquid`VortiX141
ArmadaUGS35
Trikslyr31
UpATreeSC28
KnowMe23
Chillindude20
ZerO(Twitch)16
Organizations
StarCraft 2
ComeBackTV 568
[ Show 13 non-featured ]
StarCraft 2
• HappyZerGling 73
• mYiSmile17
• Response 1
• AfreecaTV YouTube
• intothetv
• Kozan
• IndyKCrew
• Migwel
StarCraft: Brood War
• BSLYoutube
• STPLYoutube
• ZZZeroYoutube
League of Legends
• Jankos1723
• Nemesis1416
Upcoming Events
IPSL
1h 26m
Sparkling Tuna Cup
19h 26m
PiG Sty Festival
21h 26m
Maru vs Shameless
Reynor vs TriGGeR
IPSL
1d 1h
OSC
1d 9h
Afreeca Starleague
1d 19h
Rush vs Hm
Bisu vs Shuttle
WardiTV Weekly
1d 20h
The Patches Monday
2 days
Afreeca Starleague
2 days
Sharp vs Shinee
Action vs Shine
PiGosaur Cup
3 days
[ Show More ]
Replay Cast
3 days
Afreeca Starleague
3 days
BeSt vs Paralyze
Jaedong vs Speed
Kung Fu Cup
3 days
The PondCast
4 days
KCM Race Survival
4 days
Replay Cast
5 days
PiG Sty Festival
5 days
CranKy Ducklings
6 days
PiG Sty Festival
6 days
Liquipedia Results

Completed

Escore Tournament S3: W7
CranK Gathers Season 4: BW vs SC2 Team League
Eternal Conflict S2 Finale

Ongoing

KCM Race Survival 2026 Season 3
K-JUNGMAN
Acropolis #5
CSLAN 4
RSL Revival: Season 6
PiG Sty Festival 8.0
META DYMY #4
Esports World Cup 2026
Esports World Cup 2026: LCQ
BLAST Bounty Summer 2026
BLAST Bounty Summer Qual
Stake Ranked Episode 3
XSE Pro League 2026
IEM Cologne Major 2026

Upcoming

ASL Season 22
Escore Tournament S3: W8
Acropolis #5 - TRS
Blizzard Classic Cup 2026
Acropolis #5 - GSA
Acropolis #5 - GSB
Acropolis #5 - GSC
HSC XXX
SC4ALL II: StarCraft II
Kung Fu Cup 2026 Grand Finals
RSL Offline Finals
Big Dog Cup 2026 Div 1
Stake Ranked Episode 5
PGL Masters Bucharest 2026
Thunderpick World Champ. '26
ESL Pro League Season 24
Stake Ranked Episode 4
1win Private Club #1
Logitech G Connect 2026
SL StarSeries Fall 2026
FISSURE Playground #5
BLAST Open Fall 2026
TLPD

1. ByuN
2. TY
3. Dark
4. Solar
5. Stats
6. Nerchio
7. sOs
8. soO
9. INnoVation
10. Elazer
1. Rain
2. Flash
3. EffOrt
4. Last
5. Bisu
6. Soulkey
7. Mini
8. Sharp
Sidebar Settings...

Advertising | Privacy Policy | Terms Of Use | Contact Us

Original banner artwork: Jim Warren
The contents of this webpage are copyright © 2026 TLnet. All Rights Reserved.