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Here we go again. This weekend is about good games and good fun. Don't rain on that parade. Play nice guys. Here's the very standard and friendly:
- NO Balance Whine.
- NO Player Bashing.
- NO Caster Bashing.
- NO BM whatsoever.
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On November 21 2011 10:16 wei2coolman wrote:Show nested quote +On November 21 2011 10:14 dtz wrote:On November 21 2011 10:13 valentine1 wrote:
naniwa : 8 games to make it to the final
leenock : 31 games to make it to the final
say what you will about naniwa's skill (he's good), but the winners bracket is pretty favoured. Yup of course it is. In fact both Naniwa and Leenock came from the Winners Bracket!! I think you meant Championship bracket / Open bracket =) I think you guiz forgot to add the number of games that Naniwa had to win in other mlg's to get to his position in the first place. so in reality naniwa played WAY more games than leenock to get in such a favorable position. I think it's just most people think that the placement is too deep in the tournament.
Especially if you consider how weak the mlg payouts are in all their other tournaments.
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On November 21 2011 10:14 Goshdarnit wrote:
Wait a minute... how many times HAS naniwa made a third in this tournament?
He made 1 vs Leenock on Shakuras. I'm pretty sure he made one against Nestea, although I can't remember (the Tal'Darim game in the Global Invitational). He made one on Terminus also.
This hate on 2-basing is stupid. Protoss can't take a 3rd comfortably without putting some heavy 2 base pressure.
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leenock clawing for his life. gonna love this kid 
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On November 21 2011 10:17 Wallstreet11 wrote:Show nested quote +On November 21 2011 10:14 Telcontar wrote:On November 21 2011 10:12 Wallstreet11 wrote:On November 21 2011 10:09 Alpino wrote:
How can anyone dare that NaNi does not deserve this? This. NOONE deserves it anywhere close... Last months on all I hear is how Nestea nd MVP are the best in the world. Naniwa plays them both many times in 3 days and more top koreans + Huk on top of that and absolutely crushes. Noone is anywhere near to that dominance this tournament. Can anyone say I'm wrong? I would say Leenock probably deserves it a little more. Other than the 0-2 to DRG, he has beaten every single opponent before him. Sure Nani has done the same, but the number of games played is just vastly different. But is it always a bad thing? Leenock is 16 years old... He is nervous... Many games ---> less nerous And Naniwa himself said that he gets better and better the longer he is in the tournament, can´t it be so for most people?
Achievement wise that means Leenock is better. It's not about the mental game, you were talking about who deserves it more. The guy who beat more players>the guy who beat less.
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curiously, didn't naniwa lose on tal'darim in both series vs nestea this weekend as well ?
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On November 21 2011 10:15 Romitelli wrote:Show nested quote +On November 21 2011 10:12 Wallstreet11 wrote:On November 21 2011 10:09 Alpino wrote:
How can anyone dare that NaNi does not deserve this? This. NOONE deserves it anywhere close... Last months on all I hear is how Nestea nd MVP are the best in the world. Naniwa plays them both many times in 3 days and more top koreans + Huk on top of that and absolutely crushes. Noone is anywhere near to that dominance this tournament. Can anyone say I'm wrong? If he was just a bit more mannered, people would support him a lot more I guess. And he doesn't BM like Idra, who QQ's a lot about zerg, randomly rage quits without GG and such, he wins the match and starts bashing a player like nestea, really uncool.
I think you should inform yourself a bit more on the subject before making a statement like that.
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On November 21 2011 10:15 Petrina wrote:I am confused as to how Leenock has more supporters in there than Naniwa? I mean they are both good players no question, but Naniwa is the foreigner and he has played tremendously well. I expected to be at least 50/50....  Go Naniwa!
Leenock is cuter
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Off hand, what games are worth re watching? Leenock DRG? Huk Naniwa?
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Want Nani to win.... want epic Bo7 though.
ARGH. Great tournament this weekend. Changed my jadedness lately.
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On November 21 2011 10:16 redemption wrote:Show nested quote +On November 21 2011 10:12 Wallstreet11 wrote:On November 21 2011 10:09 Alpino wrote:
How can anyone dare that NaNi does not deserve this? This. NOONE deserves it anywhere close... Last months on all I hear is how Nestea nd MVP are the best in the world. Naniwa plays them both many times in 3 days and more top koreans + Huk on top of that and absolutely crushes. Noone is anywhere near to that dominance this tournament. Can anyone say I'm wrong? Lol he played like 3 matches this tournament.... I guess you're counting the Global Invitational on Friday too but still...
He only played 3 series because he played at ALL the mlgs except 1 and he still placed 3rd overall. He deserves his spot and less matches due to how well he played this season.
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On November 21 2011 10:16 DystopiaX wrote:Show nested quote +On November 21 2011 10:15 bkrow wrote:On November 21 2011 10:15 Petrina wrote:I am confused as to how Leenock has more supporters in there than Naniwa? I mean they are both good players no question, but Naniwa is the foreigner and he has played tremendously well. I expected to be at least 50/50.... Go Naniwa! Leenock is good mannered. That's about it really. His run is more impressive IMO, especially that 4-1 just now.
Yup and his play has been close to flawless.
Today he's been ripping everyone apart.
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On November 21 2011 10:16 EnderCraft wrote:Show nested quote +On November 21 2011 10:15 Petrina wrote:I am confused as to how Leenock has more supporters in there than Naniwa? I mean they are both good players no question, but Naniwa is the foreigner and he has played tremendously well. I expected to be at least 50/50.... Go Naniwa! yeah... I don't understand it! Usually everyone cheers for the foreigner!
After all the entertaining games Leenock has shown, how can the crowd not support Leenock?
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On November 21 2011 10:18 BarbieHsu wrote:
Off hand, what games are worth re watching? Leenock DRG? Huk Naniwa?
Haypro vs MVP was a really good set.
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On November 21 2011 10:16 Pr0wler wrote:
Naniwa does 1 build every single PvZ. FFE into stargate pressure then 2 base allin-ish push with some colossi... I find that boring even if it works for him.
I've noticed that too, and it's super easy to hate Naniwa's pvz games because of it. That said, yeah, no wonder he does it given how incredibly OP he makes that protoss ball look by retaining units
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On November 21 2011 10:15 Wallstreet11 wrote:Show nested quote +On November 21 2011 10:13 Mouzone wrote:
Sooo... Naniwa is allergic to 3+ bases it seems. So pathetic whine. Are you really so dense that you use this as an argument for hate?
Heh, Nani's late game isn't as strong as his early-mid. Playing 2 base is a very clever decision. As Infernal pointed out, if he knew about that third then he would have won the last game.
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nani needs to win this, ................... arghhhhhhhhhhhhhhh
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On November 21 2011 10:17 bkrow wrote:Show nested quote +On November 21 2011 10:16 -Strider- wrote:
I remember when people used to call Naniwa "onebasiwa", i think we can call him twobasiwa now :D Lol .. small steps in the right direction You can't argue that his early game stability and control is absolutely amazing; you cannot rush him. Ever. He held a FFE on XNC against Nestea; that shit is insane!
You cannot rush him EVER ? So what did Leenock just do ?
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On November 21 2011 10:17 DystopiaX wrote:Show nested quote +On November 21 2011 10:17 Vidar wrote:
Naniwa had to pay his dues, too. Don't forget about his previous MLG victory run where he also had to come up through the open bracket. ...6 months ago. An eternity in SC time.
And all hte pool play in the other MLG's. naniwa has invested more time in MLG, ergo earning him such a coveted spot on the rank. that's what national championship is about.
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On November 21 2011 10:15 Petrina wrote:I am confused as to how Leenock has more supporters in there than Naniwa? I mean they are both good players no question, but Naniwa is the foreigner and he has played tremendously well. I expected to be at least 50/50.... Go Naniwa!
who cares about the foreigner vs korea thing, people just like to cheer for players they like. That is so played out.
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On November 21 2011 10:18 Zerothegreat wrote:Show nested quote +On November 21 2011 10:15 Petrina wrote:I am confused as to how Leenock has more supporters in there than Naniwa? I mean they are both good players no question, but Naniwa is the foreigner and he has played tremendously well. I expected to be at least 50/50.... Go Naniwa! Leenock is cuter
He's also the Korean Hope.
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