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On November 20 2011 10:32 oogieogie wrote:Show nested quote +On November 20 2011 10:22 Badfatpanda wrote:
PuMa uses tanks to do a 2 base timing-15 pages of rage
MC allins to beat MVP in the deciding match-15 pages of cheers
good series but the bias is definitely a tad retarded lmfao zerg all ins any matchup/win - 15 pages of cheer protoss does it vs a terran/win - 15 pages of cheer terran does it vs protoss/win - 15 pages of rage terran does it vs zerg/win - 15 pages of rage protoss does it vs zerg/win - 15 pages of rage That is usually how it goes not counting players pretty sure.
Because it so rarely works for the other races. It's worth cheering for. It just feels like terran deserves the rage.
Not balance whining but its true and that's how I feel. Upset when terrans take easy wins - amazed when another race is able to pull it off.
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Man top 4 seeding must be completely wonderful. I remember Idra saying that he wasn't happy that he was in the side of the bracket with Bomber and MC but he only had to play one of them and it also means that there are 2 very strong seeded players to fight off some of the monsters from the open bracket, just like in the MC/MVP match. Glad to see Naniwa, Huk, Idra and MMA finally ready to rumble.
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On November 20 2011 10:30 Raambo11 wrote:Show nested quote +On November 20 2011 10:29 Legend` wrote:On November 20 2011 10:28 kofman wrote:On November 20 2011 10:27 Legend` wrote:On November 20 2011 10:26 kofman wrote:
Its crazy how when MVP loses to a timing attack that he prepared for perfectly, people just say "he played greedy", while whenever Toss loses to 111 or 3 rax or anything like that, its immediatly imba. Because it's true lol Just look at the MLG brackets, and tell me that Terran is OP. Just look at the amount of Protoss tournament wins within the past 3 months and tell me that Protoss is OP Just look at the number of terran nerfs and awful protoss play and tell me...
Really... we've fallen to this? Sure... Protoss is only limited of 100% win because there is 0 good players playing protoss. Or else a few good players actually figured out how to play it - and through endless training they've achieved a winrate above 50% which is nearly unbelievable by terran-biased players
If I went on a rant like people are in this thread every time a good protoss lost I'd have well over a thousand posts
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Yay! MC is back. Good to see the Protoss president winning again, even if he fell in Code S.
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ARE they not going to show mc vs idra? :O :O
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On November 20 2011 10:30 snakeeyez wrote:Show nested quote +On November 20 2011 10:27 dignitas.merz wrote:
MVP fucked up the positioning mainly due to supply depots being placed as a semi-wall right next to the bunkers (why does T players still insist on placing depots to minimize repair surface area.. it's not worth it) If he had maximum surface area for repair along his bunkers, he could've held that because his +1 wep and stim finished up right on time. People saying he played "greedy" he went 4 bunkers and held off fac/starport for so long, what he did wasn't as greedy as you make it out to be. He made the depots to minimize surface because MC was going to force field the bunkers anyways so there is no way to get a good repair anyways so its better to make the depots. The greedy build he did its just kind of a BO loss there is no way to hold that maybe if he got another couple bunkers up.
Hmm no. It's not worth it, MVP realized what was going on well in time, if you do that, you can have your bunkers completely surroundend by scvs which means repairs will still go off to some extent. By having supplydepots in the way, you can never fully surround your bunkers to begin with, which means a couple of forcefields renders the bunkers useless. I'm still convinced supplydepots as walls or wall-ins in TvP can come out working against you most of the time in scenarios like these.
The way his build works is that 6 gate doesn't punish it. What punishes it the most if a 6:30 4 gate or just insanely fast 5 gate timing off a quick nexus, mainly due that 4 gate would hit when MVP didnt even have his 3 rax up and 5 gate after nexus would also hit way too soon for MVP to handle. Holding off a 6 gate with the build MVP was doing should be perfectly fine, he just fucked up his control + simcity.
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On November 20 2011 10:30 kofman wrote:Show nested quote +On November 20 2011 10:29 Hall0wed wrote:
Protoss plays standard and gets killed by a Terran, Terrans say "LOL protoss stop being so greediezzz!!11!1!!"
Terran plays greedily, gets stomped by a well executed timing, Terran tears flow enmass as they QQ "WHAT CAN TERRAN DO IN A GAME LIKE THAT!?!?!??!?11!?!?111?eleven"
Tears are one thing, but constantly complaining like this happens EVERY tournament. The double standard here is so obnoxious. -_-
So, before you post, take a real look at one just transpired in the last game. If there is some real bullshit, then form your thoughts. Just stop overreacting Terrans. ._. Funny coming from a protoss.
Me being a Protoss has nothing to do with it. I look at every match with open eyes cause I don't cheer for Protoss, I cheer for the players.
Most people that post here are pretty blind though and only see through the eyes of the race that they like the most, thus you see all the posts here that you do.
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I just woke up....go Herrrooooooo!!!!
And the matches in the championship bracket look so awesome!
MC-Idra,always epic, Nestea-Nani rematch o.0! HuK vs Hero, and drg vs mma!
So many awesome story lines!
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On November 20 2011 10:33 Eppa! wrote:Show nested quote +On November 20 2011 10:30 hugman wrote:On November 20 2011 10:24 scaban84 wrote:On November 20 2011 10:23 Black Gun wrote:
omfg, this game made me so angry as a terran player. what more could mvp have done in terms of defense? how are you actually supposed to hold an attack like this one?
id be really curious for higher level players in here explaining to me what mvp did wrong that game.... He played greedy by going for a third CC. He had no Siege Tanks. Siege tanks lol, who the fuck does macro oriented siege tank play in TvP? Goody? Nani vs Major. Major built tanks stopped an allin and won. Think it was blizzcon.
They are good before the Protoss gets his higher tech i give you that . Once he Toss reaches that tanks become Marauders that cost 100 gas more and can't stim.
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I agree with some, that game was kinda short, I would have enjoyed a longer MVP vs MC games.
However, MC played better and deserved to win. Even in the second game when he lost, it was due to a bad engagement, otherwise, he looked like crushing MVP.
Either I am having difficulty to judge terran play, or MVP didn't show anything impressive in this series.
As for people complaining when Terrans do timing pushes, and cheering if Protoss do, I explain this by the fact that there are plenty of terrans, and almost no protoss at the top level. That's the reason.
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On November 20 2011 10:29 Roe wrote:Show nested quote +On November 20 2011 10:24 Logros wrote:On November 20 2011 10:23 Black Gun wrote:
omfg, this game made me so angry as a terran player. what more could mvp have done in terms of defense? how are you actually supposed to hold an attack like this one?
id be really curious for higher level players in here explaining to me what mvp did wrong that game.... Don't go 3 CCs before a 2nd rax and go double e-bay at the same time? the answer is obviously building armor and bunker slots upgrades
!!..This is pure genius :DD
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Can't we all just get along and enjoy the murloc suit.
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Terran can't put pressure when on 1/2 base vs protoss cross position taldarim so MVP just played very greedy.
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Why do casters say "Man" so much, lol.
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now for all of u terrans - what can beat u on taldarim? exactly.. 6gate mass ff pushs.. so if thats what u are feared of.. get a fuckin ghost out in this 10-12 minutes... 1 emp and no ff's (or at least not enough) and u can hold it..
ofc its not the standard play to get a rly quick ghost.. but u can scout 6 gate and u can predict whats coming
specialy on taldarim
♥ (:
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On November 20 2011 10:32 oogieogie wrote:Show nested quote +On November 20 2011 10:22 Badfatpanda wrote:
PuMa uses tanks to do a 2 base timing-15 pages of rage
MC allins to beat MVP in the deciding match-15 pages of cheers
good series but the bias is definitely a tad retarded lmfao zerg all ins any matchup/win - 15 pages of cheer protoss does it vs a terran/win - 15 pages of cheer terran does it vs protoss/win - 15 pages of rage terran does it vs zerg/win - 15 pages of rage protoss does it vs zerg/win - 15 pages of rage That is usually how it goes not counting players pretty sure.
now add the risk/reward:
Z all-in = win or way way behind
P all-in vs T = win/even/way behind
P all-in vs Z = win/way behind
T all-in any race = win/even/ a 2nd all-in
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Naniwa: I wasn't nervous and they let me play my game.. So i win
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On November 20 2011 10:34 tuho12345 wrote:
CuteAngle ? Really Major, what a lame id. Artorsis need to train him on making ID lol
Dan wouldn't be able to teach him shit. It's Juan's thing.
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Slasher Rod Breslau
Just told Naniwa that Nestea heard his post-match interview comments. He was taken aback but has a special ceremony if he wins. #MLG
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NaNiWa you better win this one.
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