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Watch how you approach the topic of match fixing. You can speculate, saying "I'm not so sure about the finals, something doesn't sit right with me," but if you are going to outright accuse players of match fixing you need something more than your word.

TL takes match fixing/abuse seriously and as such there is a burden a proof when you are accusing players.

- p4NDemik
Terminal
Profile Joined January 2011
United Kingdom2109 Posts
October 22 2011 21:49 GMT
#2461
Who's telling Blizzard close pos is a good idea? Must be someone, because everyone else hates it.
Elean
Profile Joined October 2010
689 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-10-22 21:50:23
October 22 2011 21:49 GMT
#2462
On October 23 2011 06:36 hitpoint wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 23 2011 06:28 Elean wrote:
On October 23 2011 06:04 JJH777 wrote:
On October 23 2011 06:02 Thurken wrote:
On October 23 2011 05:45 Sc2Null wrote:
On October 23 2011 05:44 cyclone25 wrote:
On October 23 2011 05:42 MasterKush wrote:
On October 23 2011 05:40 wats0n wrote:
On October 23 2011 05:39 Flowjo wrote:
On October 23 2011 05:35 wats0n wrote:
Nestea used Nerchio style in game 2. Same build order and everything.


Yea, I used Nerchio style to I guess cause I roach all in after 16 drones.... which is a standard all in. So I guess all the Zergs in the world all have Nerchio style to use when they wanna all in.


Guys (for everyone responding like you) learn to spot sarcasm...


Just the same as Ling/Infestor not being the "Stephano" build. He may play that style but it doesn't mean he owns it, which is why its annoying to hear commentators like Day9 throwing it out there.


I agree, ling/infestor was invented by Destiny actually.


actually it was used in the beta before muta/bling came into popularity.


He did not invent it. He was not the first pro player that used it. Players in the beta used similar strategies
But that's not really the point.
The point is that Stephano was the one that showed that this strategy was still viable against top players at this point of the game.
This do not imply that Nestea surely copied him, but it is possible that Nestea reconsidered this strategy after ipl3...


Considering Nestea used this exact strat and build against MVP in the ro8 of GSL a single day after IPL3 ended I highly doubt that. I highly doubt he even watched those games until after his match (if at all) he was definitely busy training to beat MVP.

So what ?
Stephano has been using this strat more than 2 months before IPL3, and since Nestea doesn't live in the US he should know about it.

It's Stephano who invented this strategy, and showed it is viable at the highest level, noone else.
Or maybe you can find a vod of someone getting a fast hive only to get adrenaline glands before Stephano ?

People saying this build existed in the beta are stupid, because the game was so much different that it's simply not possible to be the same build/strategy.



Stephano didn't invent it or popularize it. Tons of people have been doing it in tournaments for months. I've even tried it on ladder. I'm garbage but that just shows how widespread it is. Stephano has gotten a reputation for using it a lot, that's a lot different than creating it.

As far as showing it at the highest level - I believe Dimaga used it against MVP many months ago. It doesn't get much higher level than using it against the best terran on the planet. (The game ended in a DC)

Edit: I also remember dimaga and TLO doing mass lings with upgrades and infestors against terran in the beta.

About dimaga vs mvp, getting +1/+1 before lair and getting +1/+1 after infestion pit isn't exactly the same build you know.
setzer
Profile Joined March 2010
United States3284 Posts
October 22 2011 21:49 GMT
#2463
On October 23 2011 06:47 gideel wrote:
close on shattered is the WORST .. no other map comes even CLOSE


Close position lost temple?
GenesisX
Profile Blog Joined February 2010
Canada4267 Posts
October 22 2011 21:50 GMT
#2464
On October 23 2011 06:49 Jandos wrote:
Starcraft trivia. Which map has the closest rush distance ?


slag pits or steppes of war? :o
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Miraju
Profile Joined June 2011
Germany235 Posts
October 22 2011 21:50 GMT
#2465
if i would be sen i would leave the game and say "thx blizzard, gg" .
can you dig it, SUCKAAAAA?
zyzq
Profile Joined February 2011
United States3123 Posts
October 22 2011 21:50 GMT
#2466
MVP just wants to play macro
Gumbotwins
Profile Joined October 2011
Netherlands256 Posts
October 22 2011 21:50 GMT
#2467
Sen doesn't have a chance
Polt, MMA, MVP. Terran triforce!
1Eris1
Profile Joined September 2010
United States5797 Posts
October 22 2011 21:50 GMT
#2468
Honestly seems like MVP just forgot any build he used to have for close spawns =/
Known Aliases: Tyragon, Valeric ~MSL Forever, SKT is truly the Superior KT!
shabby
Profile Joined March 2010
Norway6402 Posts
October 22 2011 21:50 GMT
#2469
Np just rush lair and slowdrop lurkers into his base.
Jaedong, Gumibear, Leenock, Byun
Koshi
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Belgium38799 Posts
October 22 2011 21:50 GMT
#2470
What is MVP doing? Blizzard paid him to lose in close positions?

1 base. 1 bunker. -->stim + tanks.
I had a good night of sleep.
KimJongChill
Profile Joined January 2011
United States6429 Posts
October 22 2011 21:50 GMT
#2471
On October 23 2011 06:49 setzer wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 23 2011 06:47 gideel wrote:
close on shattered is the WORST .. no other map comes even CLOSE


Close position lost temple?


heh heh wp.
MMA: U realise MMA: Most of my army EgIdra: fuck off MMA: Killed my orbital MMA: LOL MMA: just saying MMA: u werent loss
FrostedMiniWheats
Profile Joined August 2010
United States30730 Posts
October 22 2011 21:50 GMT
#2472
I thought the ladder maps were admittedly unsuitable for tournament play? -_-

guess not
NesTea | Mvp | MC | Leenock | Losira | Gumiho | DRG | Taeja | Jinro | Stephano | Thorzain | Sen | Idra |Polt | Bomber | Symbol | Squirtle | Fantasy | Jaedong | Maru | sOs | Seed | ByuN | ByuL | Neeb| Scarlett | Rogue | IM forever
cyclone25
Profile Blog Joined December 2009
Romania3344 Posts
October 22 2011 21:50 GMT
#2473
I'm gonna lose all my respect for Mvp if he's gonna abuse the close positions to win this match!!

Just kidding, but I bet Mvp is worried of fans who think like this
scarper65
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
1560 Posts
October 22 2011 21:50 GMT
#2474
On October 23 2011 06:48 Asha` wrote:
I'm watching WoW instead of G2 because of close positions.

Is this what you wanted Blizzard! Is it? ¬________¬

Why would they care? You are still watching WoW.
Drazerk
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
United Kingdom31255 Posts
October 22 2011 21:50 GMT
#2475
On October 23 2011 06:49 Drazerk wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 23 2011 06:49 Drazerk wrote:
On October 23 2011 06:48 Drazerk wrote:
On October 23 2011 06:47 Drazerk wrote:
On October 23 2011 06:46 Drazerk wrote:
Game Two now starting on Shattered temple

In the right location is MVP

While in the south is Sen

CLOSE POSITIONS!


1:40


Barracks on the way for MVP


2:20


Hatch first for sen

MVP has his first gas


3:30


Pool and gas finishing for Sen

MVP is getting factory + reactor


4:30

Gas steal from Sen as MVP starts his expansion

Ling speed from Sen


6:00


Queens prevent the hellons getting into the main

Tanks and more barracks for MVP
xXFireandIceXx
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
Canada4296 Posts
October 22 2011 21:50 GMT
#2476
man roach warren again from sen
Jyvblamo
Profile Blog Joined June 2006
Canada13788 Posts
October 22 2011 21:51 GMT
#2477
Sen supply blocked. =[
Micket
Profile Joined April 2011
United Kingdom2163 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-10-22 21:51:18
October 22 2011 21:51 GMT
#2478
MVP beautifully adapting to what Nestea did to him. Be more safe with bunkers and tanks? NO! Play standard but have the scv kept alive to see the queen. He is now safe.
4ZakeN87
Profile Joined June 2011
Sweden1071 Posts
October 22 2011 21:51 GMT
#2479
Seriously these positions are retarded. How the hell is Sen going to expand...
"Everything should be made as simple as possible, but not simpler" Einstein
GenesisX
Profile Blog Joined February 2010
Canada4267 Posts
October 22 2011 21:51 GMT
#2480
On October 23 2011 06:50 xXFireandIceXx wrote:
man roach warren again from sen


you cant play macro on this map, so might as well all in
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