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Drazerk
United Kingdom31255 Posts
On October 16 2011 01:28 Drazerk wrote: Game Three on shattered temple In the south position is  SaseWhile in the north is Hasuobs2:10 Gas and gateway on the way for both players | ||
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Fyzar
Netherlands8010 Posts
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mcc
Czech Republic4646 Posts
On October 16 2011 01:21 ownyaah wrote: haha, how many times have u seen nerchio win against a good player, one that is considered top? at theyre best, idra or stephano is 1st and 2nd, sen or ret is 3rd. Nerchio wins against top foreigners like all the time. Did you actually check his record ? He just does not play Koreans too much but as far as foreigner scene goes he is TOP zerg. | ||
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insolentrus
Russian Federation304 Posts
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BarbieHsu
574 Posts
On October 16 2011 01:29 claash wrote: sounds stupid but sase won because hasu lost it. in the last normal straight up game he was outplayed. The way Sase was expanding was not normal | ||
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Drazerk
United Kingdom31255 Posts
On October 16 2011 01:29 Drazerk wrote: 2:10 Gas and gateway on the way for both players 3:30 Cores for both players finishing now Sase getting a zealot while Hasu gets a stalker | ||
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KingPaddy
1053 Posts
On October 16 2011 01:29 claash wrote: sounds stupid but sase won because hasu lost it. in the last normal straight up game he was outplayed. You consider 4bases at 12min mark as normal and straight up? | ||
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oDieN[Siege]
United States2905 Posts
On October 16 2011 01:30 Fyzar wrote: Get out aLive! Wrong forum? | ||
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insolentrus
Russian Federation304 Posts
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Cyro
United Kingdom20327 Posts
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Adreme
United States5574 Posts
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ohampatu
United States1448 Posts
On October 16 2011 01:28 Toxi78 wrote: and what has sen done in a loooooooooong time? your post is worthless. We haven't seen ANY of these players doing consistently good. The only player who has been consistently good on that list is Sen. He may not have recent big tourney wins, but his skill never diminished (like ret and idra) and whenever we have seen him he has played top notch. Just because he is more into the lesf (or w/e its called) atm doesn't mean his previous skill can just be ignored. In terms of consistency only Sen deserves to be on that list. If you want to talk about 'best' and only look back 1 or 2 months, then yes only stephano/nerchio/ret/idra will be mentioned. But the game is slightly over a year old, when making these claims you need to be looking at a 3-4 month timeframe. That's why i said this discussion is pointless, no foreigner zerg is doing well enough to make a top list. Let alone 3 zergs doing well enough to make a top 3. | ||
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Drazerk
United Kingdom31255 Posts
On October 16 2011 01:30 Drazerk wrote: 3:30 Cores for both players finishing now Sase getting a zealot while Hasu gets a stalker 5:00 Gateways on the way for both players as sase finishes his warp gate tech | ||
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Cyro
United Kingdom20327 Posts
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claash
Poland472 Posts
On October 16 2011 01:29 myPlums wrote: Sase fighting. His control and imagination is much better than Hasu. control?lol you havent seen game 1 as it seems. | ||
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Drazerk
United Kingdom31255 Posts
On October 16 2011 01:31 Drazerk wrote: 5:00 Gateways on the way for both players as sase finishes his warp gate tech 5:30 Robo and two gates for Hasuobs while Sase expands | ||
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Radook
Sweden326 Posts
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MCDayC
United Kingdom14464 Posts
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Drazerk
United Kingdom31255 Posts
On October 16 2011 01:32 Drazerk wrote: 5:30 Robo and two gates for Hasuobs while Sase expands 6:30 Hallucination on the way for Sase Observer for Hasuobs | ||
tree.hugger
Philadelphia, PA10406 Posts
On October 16 2011 01:26 ohampatu wrote: See my response above your post, results are cute and all, but I think you should be able to determine whether one player is better than the other based on actually watching them play, as opposed to looking at numbers in TLPD. Obviously if a player fails to get results after a while, then it seems like they're doing something wrong, but ideally my thoughts on those players will be proven right in the future.I disagree completely on Stephano/Ret/Nerchio... Im not for sure how you could even name them as top. Stephano has only ipl 3. Unless he gets more there's just not enough information to put him as a top player. Ret has the ability to be in that list, but doesn't have the results at all recently, even stephano has more results than ret. (just because he is doing good in pool play really doesn't mean anything). Nerchio doesn't have LAN results. Enough Said. Sen and Idra are the onlly zergs i think we can call 'top' right now, with ret narrowing out the 3 id say. Sen is really the only foreigner zerg who deserves to be top right now, all other foreigner zergs are only just now starting to show good promise again (ret recently increasing, idra recently increasing, stephano making a breakthrough). Instead of talking about top foreigner zerg, since no zerg has really emmerged as the top, i wish we would just all put our hopes on idra/sen/ret/dimaga/stephano and cheer for all instead of comparing so much. None of them are clear winners. At this point in time it doesn't matter who comes out, as long as one or two of them do. You say you don't have enough information on Stephano, Nerchio, Ret but that's because you haven't been trying to get it. It's all out there. I think IdrA's mindset has clearly improved, and that's great because that was really holding him back. His map vision and multitask haven't faltered so much from his BW days, and his macro and unit composition decisions seem to also have improved, which is good because those were two other big issues he had. What keeps IdrA from being at the very top, in my opinion, is that he doesn't scout enough, relies on incomplete reads of his opponents, and I still question some of his decision making. He's obviously extremely good though. Sen is fantastic, I just haven't seen enough of him lately, and he's lost a bit in the TeSL, which is weird. But he could very well get right back to the top, it's hard to tell. On October 16 2011 01:29 Vansetsu wrote:I agree with that I guess. You're correct in that I don't watch enough foreign Zergs, and the ones I listed have always shown some consistently stable or strong play (or just a bit more mainstream play in General). I absolutely did not consider Ret or Nerchio, and while I havn''t seen so much Nerchio (though I know he has been posting results), I kind of dropped the ball on Ret. Also, while I wasn't downplaying Stephano's micro, I wasn't highlighting it much either, as I feel it gets a bit weaker as the games get more mechanically intense, from the games I've seen anyways. If I had to put someone for zergs to par up to micro=mechanics wise, it would probably be Leenock after the games he played with Ganzi. I just feel that what makes Stephano really strong are his decisions and army compositions (which he uses with good micro earlier in the games I've seen), and I think that's a mimic-able trait for players who have better mechanics if they choose. Fair enough. But I think most players have trouble managing everything lategame, and I think Stephano actually does it better than most. Ret and Nerchio seem a little better in the lategame to me though. | ||
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