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Piledriver
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States1697 Posts
October 08 2011 05:33 GMT
#10981
I think people are overrating PuMa. The only reason he wins TvPs are because of 1-1-1 or metagaming with 1-1-1 and doing a FE build. He's most probably going to get smashed by MC (and probably even by HerO before that).
Envy fan since NTH.
parazice
Profile Joined March 2011
Thailand5517 Posts
October 08 2011 05:33 GMT
#10982
On October 08 2011 14:25 laharl23 wrote:
Also with the way the brackets work out I could easily see a mma vs ryung final.


HAHA then Final prize 'll be Boxer no.1 son
AssyrianKing
Profile Blog Joined August 2011
Australia2115 Posts
October 08 2011 05:34 GMT
#10983
Can someone please tell me where I can watch the Boxer vs HuK Brood War Games
John 15:13
below66
Profile Joined October 2009
United States1761 Posts
October 08 2011 05:35 GMT
#10984
Did anyone find out what song was playing at the end of today;s stream? or is everyone still trying to find out?
AdreN-
Profile Joined November 2010
United States503 Posts
October 08 2011 05:38 GMT
#10985
I'm cool with IdrA's decision... but he should have forfeited before playing White-Ra. Either play all games or none at all (both would be fair to the rest of the players in his group).
darkest44
Profile Joined December 2010
United States1009 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-10-08 05:52:06
October 08 2011 05:39 GMT
#10986
On October 08 2011 14:33 Piledriver wrote:
I think people are overrating PuMa. The only reason he wins TvPs are because of 1-1-1 or metagaming with 1-1-1 and doing a FE build. He's most probably going to get smashed by MC (and probably even by HerO before that).


Um did you see NASL? Puma beat MC in macro games. Not to mention you pretty much just named the two builds any terran uses, so okay, he only wins because he does what every other terran does, k. He did several different builds in his matches vs toss in IEM but hey whatever its "all cause of 1-1-1" right and any other build is just "meta gaming" 1-1-1. Remember guys if you do 1-1-1 ever, all the rest of your builds are just "meta gaming" that 1-1-1 and all your victories are because of it.. Puma got in someone's head and won mind games in a strategy game, lets flame him for it herpderp.

Yea, he might be not in prime shape atm, losing to idra recently, but neither is MC lately. They are both still good players. I doubt one would smash the other easily.
Angelbelow
Profile Joined September 2010
United States3728 Posts
October 08 2011 05:39 GMT
#10987
On October 08 2011 14:35 below66 wrote:
Did anyone find out what song was playing at the end of today;s stream? or is everyone still trying to find out?


No one knows yet..
You may delay, but time will not. Current Music obsession: Opeth
Wren
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
United States745 Posts
October 08 2011 05:43 GMT
#10988
On October 08 2011 14:27 DoomsVille wrote:
But what the hell is up with IPL and their map pool and map choices? The finals start on Xel'Naga Fortress

Where do you see that? The playhem page suggests that all maps are available for each game.
We're here! We're queer! We don't want any more bears!
Pandain
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States12989 Posts
October 08 2011 05:43 GMT
#10989
What does it mean the seeding was randomized? What exactly does the seeding seed for?
Probe1
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States17920 Posts
October 08 2011 05:44 GMT
#10990
The tournament bracket. The first two days were just to determine who plays who in the tourney (and provide us with awesome entertainment.
우정호 KT_VIOLET 1988 - 2012 While we are postponing, life speeds by
GenoZStriker
Profile Blog Joined February 2010
United States2914 Posts
October 08 2011 05:46 GMT
#10991
On October 08 2011 14:43 Pandain wrote:
What does it mean the seeding was randomized? What exactly does the seeding seed for?

The seedings weren't randomized. It was 1-16 from pools vs. 16-1 from open bracket. So imagine:
1 vs. 16
2 vs. 15
3 vs. 14
..vs......
and so on.
eSports Prodigy & Illuminati member.
homer001
Profile Joined October 2010
493 Posts
October 08 2011 05:46 GMT
#10992
how does the seeding work?
puma being no.1 in open bracket but potentially facing mc(3-0 his group) in round 16 doesnt make sense to me
AxionSteel
Profile Joined January 2011
United States7754 Posts
October 08 2011 05:47 GMT
#10993
On October 08 2011 14:33 Piledriver wrote:
I think people are overrating PuMa. The only reason he wins TvPs are because of 1-1-1 or metagaming with 1-1-1 and doing a FE build. He's most probably going to get smashed by MC (and probably even by HerO before that).


Shouldn't you be fearing him even more then if that's the only reason he wins? Since 1-1-1 is so "unstoppable" ?


GenoZStriker
Profile Blog Joined February 2010
United States2914 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-10-08 05:48:40
October 08 2011 05:47 GMT
#10994
On October 08 2011 14:46 homer001 wrote:
how does the seeding work?
puma being no.1 in open bracket but potentially facing mc(3-0 his group) in round 16 doesnt make sense to me

That's what does not make any sense me. The matchups were not random and the position in the bracket is very terribly chosen. I mean top from pool plays top from bracket the round right after, but all the lower seeds play each other in the middle?
eSports Prodigy & Illuminati member.
j0ker
Profile Joined August 2011
275 Posts
October 08 2011 05:48 GMT
#10995
On October 08 2011 14:27 DoomsVille wrote:
Honestly this looks pretty good for the EG crew. They have an outside (but realistic) chance of having 4 people reaching the quarterfinals. And there aren't any team kills to worry about.

IdrA vs. Artist and than aLive. Both of them are very realistic wins for IdrA. If he can play like he did against PuMa vs. aLive, he has a strong chance there.

Huk vs. kawaiirice and than white-ra. I'd give the edge to white-ra in this foursome. But huk definitely can take it as well.

DeMuslim vs. Ret and than thorzain. Yea, DeMuslim has it rough. Probably a slight underdog in both. But definitely not a huge underdog in either.

PuMa vs. HerO and than MC. I don't see how he loses to either of them.


But what the hell is up with IPL and their map pool and map choices? The finals start on Xel'Naga Fortress and the map pool includes Crevasse. This tournament is basically set up for a terran to win. There are so many terran favored maps (crevasse, xel'naga fortress, antiga) and the starting maps are nowhere near balanced. If the finals is ZvT, I don't care who the Z and T are, the T will win.


crevasse isnt even remotely terran favored in zvt. zerg gets a free third, map is huge with a ton of easy to take bases for the zerg, terran has a WIDE open 3rd and no 4th, and mutas are a fucking nightmare.
Gotmog
Profile Joined October 2010
Serbia899 Posts
October 08 2011 05:50 GMT
#10996
On October 08 2011 04:53 crashonly wrote:
Why do I like watching BW so much more than SC2 :'(

Because of nostalgia ?

I was also having a blast watching it! But objectively...its was the same thing...
"When you play the game of drones, you win or you die. There is no middle ground"
FinestHour
Profile Joined August 2010
United States18466 Posts
October 08 2011 05:52 GMT
#10997
On October 08 2011 14:48 j0ker wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 08 2011 14:27 DoomsVille wrote:
Honestly this looks pretty good for the EG crew. They have an outside (but realistic) chance of having 4 people reaching the quarterfinals. And there aren't any team kills to worry about.

IdrA vs. Artist and than aLive. Both of them are very realistic wins for IdrA. If he can play like he did against PuMa vs. aLive, he has a strong chance there.

Huk vs. kawaiirice and than white-ra. I'd give the edge to white-ra in this foursome. But huk definitely can take it as well.

DeMuslim vs. Ret and than thorzain. Yea, DeMuslim has it rough. Probably a slight underdog in both. But definitely not a huge underdog in either.

PuMa vs. HerO and than MC. I don't see how he loses to either of them.


But what the hell is up with IPL and their map pool and map choices? The finals start on Xel'Naga Fortress and the map pool includes Crevasse. This tournament is basically set up for a terran to win. There are so many terran favored maps (crevasse, xel'naga fortress, antiga) and the starting maps are nowhere near balanced. If the finals is ZvT, I don't care who the Z and T are, the T will win.


crevasse isnt even remotely terran favored in zvt. zerg gets a free third, map is huge with a ton of easy to take bases for the zerg, terran has a WIDE open 3rd and no 4th, and mutas are a fucking nightmare.


indeed, zvt on crevasse has higher win percentages in favor of zerg in gsl
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MjoLniRXx
Profile Joined August 2011
United States84 Posts
October 08 2011 05:52 GMT
#10998
Hasn't Puma also been playing in NA? On top of that MC and HerO are two very good protoss players. I know that HerO is more known for his PvZ but if you have seen his stream... well, he's just an amazing player that hasn't even reached his full potential yet. Plus, both him and MC practice on KR... I think they are both capable of holding the 1/1/1.
Simplicity is the ultimate sophistication.
DoomsVille
Profile Joined August 2010
Canada4885 Posts
October 08 2011 05:59 GMT
#10999
On October 08 2011 14:52 FinestHour wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 08 2011 14:48 j0ker wrote:
On October 08 2011 14:27 DoomsVille wrote:
Honestly this looks pretty good for the EG crew. They have an outside (but realistic) chance of having 4 people reaching the quarterfinals. And there aren't any team kills to worry about.

IdrA vs. Artist and than aLive. Both of them are very realistic wins for IdrA. If he can play like he did against PuMa vs. aLive, he has a strong chance there.

Huk vs. kawaiirice and than white-ra. I'd give the edge to white-ra in this foursome. But huk definitely can take it as well.

DeMuslim vs. Ret and than thorzain. Yea, DeMuslim has it rough. Probably a slight underdog in both. But definitely not a huge underdog in either.

PuMa vs. HerO and than MC. I don't see how he loses to either of them.


But what the hell is up with IPL and their map pool and map choices? The finals start on Xel'Naga Fortress and the map pool includes Crevasse. This tournament is basically set up for a terran to win. There are so many terran favored maps (crevasse, xel'naga fortress, antiga) and the starting maps are nowhere near balanced. If the finals is ZvT, I don't care who the Z and T are, the T will win.


crevasse isnt even remotely terran favored in zvt. zerg gets a free third, map is huge with a ton of easy to take bases for the zerg, terran has a WIDE open 3rd and no 4th, and mutas are a fucking nightmare.


indeed, zvt on crevasse has higher win percentages in favor of zerg in gsl

http://www.teamliquid.net/tlpd/sc2-korean/maps/432

Oh yea that 44% ZvT is very in favor of zerg.

Terran can safely go CC first. Then they have narrow chokes and easy attack routes in all positions (except cross) either via air or through destructible rocks. This map is notoriously terran favored. There is a reason you saw it as the map choice for all terrans today (and will see the same tomorrow).
DoomsVille
Profile Joined August 2010
Canada4885 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-10-08 06:03:41
October 08 2011 06:02 GMT
#11000
On October 08 2011 14:47 GenoZStriker wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 08 2011 14:46 homer001 wrote:
how does the seeding work?
puma being no.1 in open bracket but potentially facing mc(3-0 his group) in round 16 doesnt make sense to me

That's what does not make any sense me. The matchups were not random and the position in the bracket is very terribly chosen. I mean top from pool plays top from bracket the round right after, but all the lower seeds play each other in the middle?

This is just basic bracket seeding.

Top from open play (#17) plays vs. lowest from pool play (#16) in round 1. Winner faces #1 vs. #32 winner.

As for randomizing, they randomized seeds as such:

Top 4 in each pool randomly given seeds 1-4
Second 4 in each pool randomly given seeds 5-8
etc. etc.

I assume they did the same thing for open bracket players that finish with the same rank.

EDIT: Not defending their system. I agree it isn't great.
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