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On October 22 2011 19:29 Asha` wrote:Show nested quote +On October 22 2011 19:25 Asha` wrote:On October 22 2011 19:22 Asha` wrote:DF went for early roach pressure vs TZain's hellion double expo. Killed enough workers to be able to take a fast third safely himself and went through midgame with a decent advantage. DF won the first big engagement of the game pretty decisively, but Thorzain dropped his fourth at the same time and DF was slow to defend so lost quite a few drones there. Thorzain on 4 base with great upgrades (3/3 bio +2 air, not sure on mech), vikings and ghosts on the way. DF on 5 bases with good upgrades (3/3 on the way), Hive tech ready, adrenal glands up, and he's now starting some Nydus play. Max vs Max dance starting out in the middle of the map Khaldor: "Thorzain is sniping the shit out of those mutalisks" Multiple Nydus' going up but Thorzain spots both and reacts in time, DF forces an engagement in the centre while Thorzain is distracted, Tzain is well set up and it's a very short engagement before both pull back. Good ghost usage, great emp on the infestors. Thorzain about to hit 6 bases, +3 air attacks, +2 mech. DF only on 5 bases. Neither can really push through the centre of the map right now, DF researching neural. Both players are doing an amazing job of shutting down the others harass attempts This is pretty tense, Thorzain's ghost use is really good but Darkforce is constantly doing a good job of not overcommitting and keeping most of his infestors out of the way so only a few get emp'd at once. DF finally has a sixth up, Thorzain pressuring the fifth, but DF defends. TZain going to be getting nukes! TZain finishes off the fifth and is dropping the fourth. Darkforce trying to push the issue in the middle of the map but Thorzain is so well set up. For the first time in a long time it looks like one playeris making their advantage count, Thorzain has taken a lead and great position to deny the forward hatches.
Just passed the half hour mark, Darkforce saving his sixth with good broodlord positioning.
Thorzain has got so much infastructure set up and almost a 4k/4k bank.
DF with 22 infestors o_O
Thorzain trying to push the sixth still but DF holding convincingly to swing back into the supply lead (for a second before TZain's macro catches him back up almost instantly)
Nukes falling like rain, explosions shaking hatcheries and forcing troops back.
Darkforce now forced into a worse engagement due to losing positions to nukes, still able to hold his sixth though and both are still maxed.
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On October 22 2011 19:29 T.O.P. wrote:Don't make biological units vs ghost imo.
Don't play versus ghost imo.
Might be my protoss bias talking ^^.
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Heh DoA and Khaldor are sympathising so badly with Darkforce as he is racking his brains trying to figure out anything to beat Thorzains composition. Get lucky with banelings?
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In the Thorzain vs Darkforce game, is Mass Ling/Roach the only option to break it at this point?
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On October 22 2011 19:33 Taf the Ghost wrote:
In the Thorzain vs Darkforce game, is Mass Ling/Roach the only option to break it at this point?
Mass 3/3 cracklings are the best counter to ghosts at this point imo
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On October 22 2011 19:33 Elwar wrote:
Heh DoA and Khaldor are sympathising so badly with Darkforce as he is racking his brains trying to figure out anything to beat Thorzains composition. Get lucky with banelings?
Mass Ling, Baneling & Roach on the rebuild might work better, given the current setup that Thorzain has out.
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I dont understand why does he still try to fight air vs air
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Did Khaldor just say ultras can't be sniped easily? they are huuuuge
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Any update between Aures and Haypro? they play for 2nd place.
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On October 22 2011 19:33 Asha` wrote:Show nested quote +On October 22 2011 19:29 Asha` wrote:On October 22 2011 19:25 Asha` wrote:On October 22 2011 19:22 Asha` wrote:DF went for early roach pressure vs TZain's hellion double expo. Killed enough workers to be able to take a fast third safely himself and went through midgame with a decent advantage. DF won the first big engagement of the game pretty decisively, but Thorzain dropped his fourth at the same time and DF was slow to defend so lost quite a few drones there. Thorzain on 4 base with great upgrades (3/3 bio +2 air, not sure on mech), vikings and ghosts on the way. DF on 5 bases with good upgrades (3/3 on the way), Hive tech ready, adrenal glands up, and he's now starting some Nydus play. Max vs Max dance starting out in the middle of the map Khaldor: "Thorzain is sniping the shit out of those mutalisks" Multiple Nydus' going up but Thorzain spots both and reacts in time, DF forces an engagement in the centre while Thorzain is distracted, Tzain is well set up and it's a very short engagement before both pull back. Good ghost usage, great emp on the infestors. Thorzain about to hit 6 bases, +3 air attacks, +2 mech. DF only on 5 bases. Neither can really push through the centre of the map right now, DF researching neural. Both players are doing an amazing job of shutting down the others harass attempts This is pretty tense, Thorzain's ghost use is really good but Darkforce is constantly doing a good job of not overcommitting and keeping most of his infestors out of the way so only a few get emp'd at once. DF finally has a sixth up, Thorzain pressuring the fifth, but DF defends. TZain going to be getting nukes! TZain finishes off the fifth and is dropping the fourth. Darkforce trying to push the issue in the middle of the map but Thorzain is so well set up. For the first time in a long time it looks like one playeris making their advantage count, Thorzain has taken a lead and great position to deny the forward hatches. Just passed the half hour mark, Darkforce saving his sixth with good broodlord positioning. Thorzain has got so much infastructure set up and almost a 4k/4k bank. DF with 22 infestors o_O Thorzain trying to push the sixth still but DF holding convincingly to swing back into the supply lead (for a second before TZain's macro catches him back up almost instantly) Nukes falling like rain, explosions shaking hatcheries and forcing troops back. Darkforce now forced into a worse engagement due to losing positions to nukes, still able to hold his sixth though and both are still maxed.
Thorzain is pretty much 3/3 on everything.
A couple more starports going down, Doa wondering if we could possibly see some Seeker Missiles but no sign yet.
Darkforce with some good ling runby action now, taking his seventh at the 6'o'clock expo.
DF gets a nydus up finally near TZain's nat, but Tzain works out exactly where it is and denies the lings from getting into his main straight away.
Thorzain scouts the seventh when he tries to land his own CC there.
TZain takes out both the fifth and the seventh base of Darkforce
Darkforce holding on but he's being steadily whittled down, retaking his fifth and taking a new seventh at 12.
TZain resuming nuke production, the resource count tells the tale. TZain back to a 4k/4k bank and DF under 1k on both.
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Snipe is pretty good lol.
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Thorzain should be a sniper in the army, holy shit.
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Damn DarKFoRcE had that earlier 
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zerg lacks a counter to mass ghosts
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what did browder and kim said about ghosts yesterday ?
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is darkforce out of the tournament if he loses this game?
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wow that was a fucking joke
thorain himself said they shouldnt have lowerd the ghost gas cost. painfull to watch
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On October 22 2011 19:39 vdale wrote:
is darkforce out of the tournament if he loses this game?
nope just a groupstage game
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On October 22 2011 19:38 Zeon0 wrote:
zerg lacks a counter to mass ghosts
ling/roach, especially against 20 vikings
also darkforce is out pretty sure
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On October 22 2011 19:38 Zeon0 wrote:
zerg lacks a counter to mass ghosts
Ghost/Mech is pretty hard to fight... I'm not sure if the same unit should have EMP and Snipe. Both spells are fine, but the two on the same unit... I'm not sure, I'm not qualified to make balance suggestion.
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