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Asha
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom38257 Posts
October 22 2011 10:33 GMT
#1981
On October 22 2011 19:29 Asha` wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 22 2011 19:25 Asha` wrote:
On October 22 2011 19:22 Asha` wrote:
On October 22 2011 19:18 Noam wrote:
Official rules @ http://data.eswc.com/rules/2011/en/ESWC_2011_STARCRAFT2_REGULATION_EN_1_01.pdf

Any LR on Darkforce vsThorzain game3 ??


DF went for early roach pressure vs TZain's hellion double expo.

Killed enough workers to be able to take a fast third safely himself and went through midgame with a decent advantage.

DF won the first big engagement of the game pretty decisively, but Thorzain dropped his fourth at the same time and DF was slow to defend so lost quite a few drones there.

Thorzain on 4 base with great upgrades (3/3 bio +2 air, not sure on mech), vikings and ghosts on the way. DF on 5 bases with good upgrades (3/3 on the way), Hive tech ready, adrenal glands up, and he's now starting some Nydus play.


Max vs Max dance starting out in the middle of the map

Khaldor: "Thorzain is sniping the shit out of those mutalisks"

Multiple Nydus' going up but Thorzain spots both and reacts in time, DF forces an engagement in the centre while Thorzain is distracted, Tzain is well set up and it's a very short engagement before both pull back.

Good ghost usage, great emp on the infestors.

Thorzain about to hit 6 bases, +3 air attacks, +2 mech.

DF only on 5 bases.

Neither can really push through the centre of the map right now, DF researching neural.

Both players are doing an amazing job of shutting down the others harass attempts


This is pretty tense, Thorzain's ghost use is really good but Darkforce is constantly doing a good job of not overcommitting and keeping most of his infestors out of the way so only a few get emp'd at once.

DF finally has a sixth up, Thorzain pressuring the fifth, but DF defends.

TZain going to be getting nukes!

TZain finishes off the fifth and is dropping the fourth.

Darkforce trying to push the issue in the middle of the map but Thorzain is so well set up.

For the first time in a long time it looks like one playeris making their advantage count, Thorzain has taken a lead and great position to deny the forward hatches.


Just passed the half hour mark, Darkforce saving his sixth with good broodlord positioning.

Thorzain has got so much infastructure set up and almost a 4k/4k bank.

DF with 22 infestors o_O

Thorzain trying to push the sixth still but DF holding convincingly to swing back into the supply lead (for a second before TZain's macro catches him back up almost instantly)

Nukes falling like rain, explosions shaking hatcheries and forcing troops back.

Darkforce now forced into a worse engagement due to losing positions to nukes, still able to hold his sixth though and both are still maxed.
Fyzar
Profile Joined January 2011
Netherlands8010 Posts
October 22 2011 10:33 GMT
#1982
On October 22 2011 19:29 T.O.P. wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 22 2011 19:28 HolydaKing wrote:
oh noes don't go ultras vs ghosts

Don't make biological units vs ghost imo.

Don't play versus ghost imo.
Might be my protoss bias talking ^^.
It appears I have been chosen.
Elwar
Profile Joined August 2010
953 Posts
October 22 2011 10:33 GMT
#1983
Heh DoA and Khaldor are sympathising so badly with Darkforce as he is racking his brains trying to figure out anything to beat Thorzains composition. Get lucky with banelings?
Taf the Ghost
Profile Joined December 2010
United States11751 Posts
October 22 2011 10:33 GMT
#1984
In the Thorzain vs Darkforce game, is Mass Ling/Roach the only option to break it at this point?
greatZERG
Profile Joined June 2011
Australia755 Posts
October 22 2011 10:34 GMT
#1985
On October 22 2011 19:33 Taf the Ghost wrote:
In the Thorzain vs Darkforce game, is Mass Ling/Roach the only option to break it at this point?


Mass 3/3 cracklings are the best counter to ghosts at this point imo
stu >)
Taf the Ghost
Profile Joined December 2010
United States11751 Posts
October 22 2011 10:34 GMT
#1986
On October 22 2011 19:33 Elwar wrote:
Heh DoA and Khaldor are sympathising so badly with Darkforce as he is racking his brains trying to figure out anything to beat Thorzains composition. Get lucky with banelings?


Mass Ling, Baneling & Roach on the rebuild might work better, given the current setup that Thorzain has out.
Funkydonky
Profile Joined April 2011
950 Posts
October 22 2011 10:35 GMT
#1987
I dont understand why does he still try to fight air vs air
Favorite players: Stephano, Mana, Polt, Lucifron, Nerchio
greatZERG
Profile Joined June 2011
Australia755 Posts
October 22 2011 10:37 GMT
#1988
Did Khaldor just say ultras can't be sniped easily? they are huuuuge
stu >)
Vira
Profile Joined November 2010
573 Posts
October 22 2011 10:37 GMT
#1989
Any update between Aures and Haypro? they play for 2nd place.
Asha
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom38257 Posts
October 22 2011 10:37 GMT
#1990
On October 22 2011 19:33 Asha` wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 22 2011 19:29 Asha` wrote:
On October 22 2011 19:25 Asha` wrote:
On October 22 2011 19:22 Asha` wrote:
On October 22 2011 19:18 Noam wrote:
Official rules @ http://data.eswc.com/rules/2011/en/ESWC_2011_STARCRAFT2_REGULATION_EN_1_01.pdf

Any LR on Darkforce vsThorzain game3 ??


DF went for early roach pressure vs TZain's hellion double expo.

Killed enough workers to be able to take a fast third safely himself and went through midgame with a decent advantage.

DF won the first big engagement of the game pretty decisively, but Thorzain dropped his fourth at the same time and DF was slow to defend so lost quite a few drones there.

Thorzain on 4 base with great upgrades (3/3 bio +2 air, not sure on mech), vikings and ghosts on the way. DF on 5 bases with good upgrades (3/3 on the way), Hive tech ready, adrenal glands up, and he's now starting some Nydus play.


Max vs Max dance starting out in the middle of the map

Khaldor: "Thorzain is sniping the shit out of those mutalisks"

Multiple Nydus' going up but Thorzain spots both and reacts in time, DF forces an engagement in the centre while Thorzain is distracted, Tzain is well set up and it's a very short engagement before both pull back.

Good ghost usage, great emp on the infestors.

Thorzain about to hit 6 bases, +3 air attacks, +2 mech.

DF only on 5 bases.

Neither can really push through the centre of the map right now, DF researching neural.

Both players are doing an amazing job of shutting down the others harass attempts


This is pretty tense, Thorzain's ghost use is really good but Darkforce is constantly doing a good job of not overcommitting and keeping most of his infestors out of the way so only a few get emp'd at once.

DF finally has a sixth up, Thorzain pressuring the fifth, but DF defends.

TZain going to be getting nukes!

TZain finishes off the fifth and is dropping the fourth.

Darkforce trying to push the issue in the middle of the map but Thorzain is so well set up.

For the first time in a long time it looks like one playeris making their advantage count, Thorzain has taken a lead and great position to deny the forward hatches.


Just passed the half hour mark, Darkforce saving his sixth with good broodlord positioning.

Thorzain has got so much infastructure set up and almost a 4k/4k bank.

DF with 22 infestors o_O

Thorzain trying to push the sixth still but DF holding convincingly to swing back into the supply lead (for a second before TZain's macro catches him back up almost instantly)

Nukes falling like rain, explosions shaking hatcheries and forcing troops back.

Darkforce now forced into a worse engagement due to losing positions to nukes, still able to hold his sixth though and both are still maxed.


Thorzain is pretty much 3/3 on everything.

A couple more starports going down, Doa wondering if we could possibly see some Seeker Missiles but no sign yet.

Darkforce with some good ling runby action now, taking his seventh at the 6'o'clock expo.

DF gets a nydus up finally near TZain's nat, but Tzain works out exactly where it is and denies the lings from getting into his main straight away.

Thorzain scouts the seventh when he tries to land his own CC there.

TZain takes out both the fifth and the seventh base of Darkforce

Darkforce holding on but he's being steadily whittled down, retaking his fifth and taking a new seventh at 12.

TZain resuming nuke production, the resource count tells the tale. TZain back to a 4k/4k bank and DF under 1k on both.
AxionSteel
Profile Joined January 2011
United States7754 Posts
October 22 2011 10:38 GMT
#1991
Snipe is pretty good lol.

Ph4ZeD
Profile Joined September 2011
United Kingdom753 Posts
October 22 2011 10:38 GMT
#1992
Thorzain should be a sniper in the army, holy shit.
Leviance
Profile Joined November 2009
Germany4079 Posts
October 22 2011 10:38 GMT
#1993
Damn DarKFoRcE had that earlier
"Blizzard is never gonna nerf Terran because of those American and European fuck" - Korean Netizen
Zeon0
Profile Joined September 2010
Austria2995 Posts
October 22 2011 10:38 GMT
#1994
zerg lacks a counter to mass ghosts
Hater of MKP since GSL Open Season 2 | Fanboy of: NesTea Stephano IdrA DIMAGA MorroW ret DongRaeGu Snute SaSe Mvp ThorZaIN DeMusliM
Lukeeze[zR]
Profile Joined February 2006
Switzerland6838 Posts
October 22 2011 10:39 GMT
#1995
what did browder and kim said about ghosts yesterday ?
Terran & Potato Salad.
vdale
Profile Joined June 2010
Germany1173 Posts
October 22 2011 10:39 GMT
#1996
is darkforce out of the tournament if he loses this game?
R3m3mb3rM3
Profile Joined September 2010
Germany954 Posts
October 22 2011 10:39 GMT
#1997
wow that was a fucking joke
thorain himself said they shouldnt have lowerd the ghost gas cost. painfull to watch
TRAP[yoo]
Profile Joined December 2009
Hungary6026 Posts
October 22 2011 10:39 GMT
#1998
On October 22 2011 19:39 vdale wrote:
is darkforce out of the tournament if he loses this game?

nope just a groupstage game
FTD
ramon
Profile Joined April 2011
Germany4842 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-10-22 10:40:39
October 22 2011 10:39 GMT
#1999
On October 22 2011 19:38 Zeon0 wrote:
zerg lacks a counter to mass ghosts

ling/roach, especially against 20 vikings

also darkforce is out pretty sure
bisu
Ahelvin
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
France1866 Posts
October 22 2011 10:39 GMT
#2000
On October 22 2011 19:38 Zeon0 wrote:
zerg lacks a counter to mass ghosts

Ghost/Mech is pretty hard to fight... I'm not sure if the same unit should have EMP and Snipe. Both spells are fine, but the two on the same unit... I'm not sure, I'm not qualified to make balance suggestion.
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