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[IEM] New York NA/SA Player Replacement Tourny - Page 2

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IzieBoy
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United States865 Posts
October 03 2011 22:22 GMT
#21
Who's the 8 contestants?
Let's Do This! Leeeeeeeeeeeeeroy Jenkins!
Xcobidoo
Profile Joined June 2011
Sweden1871 Posts
October 03 2011 22:23 GMT
#22
I desperately need OwMyGroin and CrotchHammer to be in the qualifiers so we finally get to see the most anticipated game of all time :D
Supreme Intergalactic Commander
DoomsVille
Profile Joined August 2010
Canada4885 Posts
October 03 2011 22:48 GMT
#23
So this is why axslav is playing with machine in my 2v2 tonight instead of strifecro

GL to him though. Hope he makes it through.
-reveNge-
Profile Joined August 2010
77 Posts
October 03 2011 23:33 GMT
#24
7 zergs 1 protoss as the 8 contestants O_O
pHaRSiDE
Profile Joined March 2011
United States752 Posts
October 03 2011 23:43 GMT
#25
Killer does need some backup at IEM after all lol
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Badfatpanda
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States9719 Posts
October 03 2011 23:49 GMT
#26
On October 04 2011 08:33 -reveNge- wrote:
7 zergs 1 protoss as the 8 contestants O_O


According to popular belief this means Zerg is OP and we need an 80 page thread denouncing ESL for creating such a horrid spectacle for us to watch
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ottersareneat
Profile Joined November 2010
United States55 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-10-03 23:53:03
October 03 2011 23:52 GMT
#27
On October 04 2011 06:02 pHaRSiDE wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 04 2011 05:17 EGalex wrote:
Why is this being done instead of standard ESL policy for player replacement? I don't understand the inconsistencies. It drives me crazy. It's really hard to plan for potentially sending players as replacements when the criteria for who goes seems to change every event.

I have spoken with Carmac and Shawn about this on several occasions. Most recently, it was explained to me that there is a standard protocol for replacements, which is to go down the list of qualifier participants, sequentially offering a slot based on highest placement outside of the top 8. By this protocol, which it has been explained to me to be standard protocol, the slot would go to either the 4th place finisher from qualifier #1 (Attero), the 4th place finisher from qualifier #2 (StrifeCro), or the 3rd place finisher from qualifier #3 (winner of giX/OwMyGroin).

Since Attero has subsequently qualified, shouldn't the logical next step be to contact StrifeCro and the winner of giX/OwMyGroin, to see if both can go? If both can go, there should be a match between those two. If only one can go, that player should get the spot. Am I missing something here?

Obviously this is a self-interested post, but that doesn't make my point illegitimate or invalid. I have had arguments about this on numerous occasions with ESL officials - the last time, quite an extended discussion about Cologne - and the resolution we came to was that I was assured that ESL's policies for player replacement were uniform and standard, and would be applied the same throughout the season.

Now, just two Global Challenges later, I have to voice the exact same complaint. Am I missing something?


Because we hosted 3 separate qualifiers thats why we can't simply go down the line of the next person. In the other format where we had a championship bracket, then yes we would go straight down the line to the next person as its 1 tournament. When you have 3 tournaments you simply can't do it in a fair way. So another mini tournament is the most fair way. Gix, owmygroin, and strifecro will participate as they all can go.

As far as your fights with carmac and shawn, it a little odd considering this was approved by Carsten.


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On October 04 2011 05:52 p34nUt wrote:
On October 04 2011 05:08 pHaRSiDE wrote:
its $600 stipend pay for travel and hotel stay. But a plane ticket this short notice will cost you quite a bit.

It says on the event page :
-You must provide your own travel cost to the event. NESL or IEM will not provide stipends for travel to the New York Comi Con event! BUT each team attending the event is guaranteed $600.

So is there a $600 stipend IN ADDITION to the minimum prize? or are u referring to the minimum prize as the stipend?


the $600 on the prize list is the stipend pay.


You hosted different qualifiers for the other Global Challenges, too. I was told that the policy still applies. I agree that it is "odd" that this was approved given the depth of the past discussions that I've had. "Odd" is kind of a nice way of putting it. I would describe the situation as "internal communication breakdowns and lack of consistent policy enforcement."
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Derity
Profile Joined May 2009
Germany2952 Posts
October 04 2011 00:07 GMT
#28
for IEM Guangzhou you had a rematch for 3rd place in the 2nd qualifier. HasuObs lost to Xlord, but Xlord withdraw...

So why not apply the same rule for the same qualifier? just take the 4th from the 1st qualifier, in which qxc succeded.
pHaRSiDE
Profile Joined March 2011
United States752 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-10-04 00:43:59
October 04 2011 00:09 GMT
#29
On October 04 2011 08:52 EGalex wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 04 2011 06:02 pHaRSiDE wrote:
On October 04 2011 05:17 EGalex wrote:
Why is this being done instead of standard ESL policy for player replacement? I don't understand the inconsistencies. It drives me crazy. It's really hard to plan for potentially sending players as replacements when the criteria for who goes seems to change every event.

I have spoken with Carmac and Shawn about this on several occasions. Most recently, it was explained to me that there is a standard protocol for replacements, which is to go down the list of qualifier participants, sequentially offering a slot based on highest placement outside of the top 8. By this protocol, which it has been explained to me to be standard protocol, the slot would go to either the 4th place finisher from qualifier #1 (Attero), the 4th place finisher from qualifier #2 (StrifeCro), or the 3rd place finisher from qualifier #3 (winner of giX/OwMyGroin).

Since Attero has subsequently qualified, shouldn't the logical next step be to contact StrifeCro and the winner of giX/OwMyGroin, to see if both can go? If both can go, there should be a match between those two. If only one can go, that player should get the spot. Am I missing something here?

Obviously this is a self-interested post, but that doesn't make my point illegitimate or invalid. I have had arguments about this on numerous occasions with ESL officials - the last time, quite an extended discussion about Cologne - and the resolution we came to was that I was assured that ESL's policies for player replacement were uniform and standard, and would be applied the same throughout the season.

Now, just two Global Challenges later, I have to voice the exact same complaint. Am I missing something?


Because we hosted 3 separate qualifiers thats why we can't simply go down the line of the next person. In the other format where we had a championship bracket, then yes we would go straight down the line to the next person as its 1 tournament. When you have 3 tournaments you simply can't do it in a fair way. So another mini tournament is the most fair way. Gix, owmygroin, and strifecro will participate as they all can go.

As far as your fights with carmac and shawn, it a little odd considering this was approved by Carsten.


On October 04 2011 05:52 p34nUt wrote:
On October 04 2011 05:08 pHaRSiDE wrote:
its $600 stipend pay for travel and hotel stay. But a plane ticket this short notice will cost you quite a bit.

It says on the event page :
-You must provide your own travel cost to the event. NESL or IEM will not provide stipends for travel to the New York Comi Con event! BUT each team attending the event is guaranteed $600.

So is there a $600 stipend IN ADDITION to the minimum prize? or are u referring to the minimum prize as the stipend?


the $600 on the prize list is the stipend pay.


You hosted different qualifiers for the other Global Challenges, too. I was told that the policy still applies. I agree that it is "odd" that this was approved given the depth of the past discussions that I've had. "Odd" is kind of a nice way of putting it. I would describe the situation as "internal communication breakdowns and lack of consistent policy enforcement."


We hosted different qualifiers that qualified into 1 championship bracket tournament for the last 2 global challenges. This time around we hosted 3 qualifiers that directly qualified the players into the event and not a championship bracket. Things change when you are the host country because it jumps from 2 players being allowed to attend to 8 players being allowed to attend.
Is it a break down of communication? Maybe, but its more likely an adjustment to the situation at hand rather than a breakdown. I understand your concern for consistency, but this is not the same format as the past two global challenges.

On October 04 2011 09:07 Derity wrote:
for IEM Guangzhou you had a rematch for 3rd place in the 2nd qualifier. HasuObs lost to Xlord, but Xlord withdraw...

So why not apply the same rule for the same qualifier? just take the 4th from the 1st qualifier, in which qxc succeded.

Fourth was Attero who qualified in the next one.
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ssg
Profile Joined July 2011
United States1779 Posts
October 04 2011 00:23 GMT
#30
StrifeCo and Future are the only 2 I recognize. I'm guessing one of those two take it.
Torte de Lini
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
Germany38463 Posts
October 04 2011 00:33 GMT
#31
Dhalism and GiX are equally good players.
https://twitter.com/#!/TorteDeLini (@TorteDeLini)
Derity
Profile Joined May 2009
Germany2952 Posts
October 04 2011 01:01 GMT
#32
On October 04 2011 09:09 pHaRSiDE wrote:

Show nested quote +
On October 04 2011 09:07 Derity wrote:
for IEM Guangzhou you had a rematch for 3rd place in the 2nd qualifier. HasuObs lost to Xlord, but Xlord withdraw...

So why not apply the same rule for the same qualifier? just take the 4th from the 1st qualifier, in which qxc succeded.

Fourth was Attero who qualified in the next one.


oh, sry, i missed that...
Xeris
Profile Blog Joined July 2005
Iran17695 Posts
October 04 2011 04:45 GMT
#33
Who won ?? OwMyGroin vs Strifecro in the final~~
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Sfydjklm
Profile Blog Joined April 2005
United States9218 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-10-04 04:47:34
October 04 2011 04:47 GMT
#34
On October 04 2011 09:33 Torte de Lini wrote:
Dhalism and GiX are equally good players.

Dhalism is a no skill newbie!
GiX has beaten HuK at one of the WCG qualifiers tho(to win a slot at national finals)
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iNcontroL *
Profile Blog Joined July 2004
USA29055 Posts
October 04 2011 04:57 GMT
#35
Strifecro wins / qualifies and EG will send him

we are very proud of our two EG's going axslav and strife!
Axeltoss
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States283 Posts
October 04 2011 05:17 GMT
#36
congrats Strifecro!
@Axeltoss
pHaRSiDE
Profile Joined March 2011
United States752 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-10-04 05:20:16
October 04 2011 05:18 GMT
#37
Yep Strifecro wins the event like incontrol says, in a quite dominating fashion. Did not drop 1 series.

All replays available at the brackets! Just click the "vs"
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stormLP
Profile Joined May 2011
Canada19 Posts
October 04 2011 05:30 GMT
#38
congrats Strifecro!
Thrax
Profile Joined October 2010
Canada1755 Posts
October 04 2011 05:59 GMT
#39
Congratulations StrifeCro! It's awesome to see him perform outside of the 2v2s.
Good luck at IEM NY. That weekend will be pretty epic.
HaCkTeR
Profile Joined April 2010
Chile29 Posts
October 04 2011 14:28 GMT
#40
what happend with koreans invites?
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