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On October 03 2011 16:42 darkest44 wrote:Show nested quote +On October 03 2011 16:37 Shellshock1122 wrote:On October 03 2011 16:36 Highways wrote:
So much for JYP hype.
he is so terrible His PvT win rate is actually just abysmal. If you watched GSTL he was fine against zerg but he just kind of rolled over and died vs mkp. He's 6-18 vs T in TLPD Korea Yea people bandwagon hype from sotg/artosis too much. Anyone who looked at his match history sees JYP has horrible pvt record and you're never going to be the "protoss hope" "best protoss" etc in sc2 in korea if you suck vs terran..
Every Korean sucks vs Terran because 1-1-1 either directly kills them or mindgames the fuck out of them so they die some other way.
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makes fun of JYP for not being ready for cloak in game 2, then questions robo after core open in game 3
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On October 03 2011 16:40 Neelia wrote:
I don't understand why Protoss players don't realise the terran player has a hidden expansion somewhere when there are no mules at the main + natural for several minutes -_-
it's called having a raven with marines in your base
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On October 03 2011 16:40 MrCon wrote:Show nested quote +On October 03 2011 16:26 Angelbelow wrote:On October 03 2011 16:24 MrCon wrote:
Can't believe how Puma went from the pride of terran to the shame of terrans aka 111 man in such a short time...
After nasl finals he was my hero, now I despise him. He found a quicker way to win.. cant blame him, blame blizzard! Oh but I don't even think that 111 is imba, in fact I think JYP is the least good of all the new code A protoss heroes (Sage, Oz, JYP and Hero). JYP played very well some games but plays terrible since then. But to the point, Puma was an inspiration for all terrans after his nasl finals vs MC. He created himself a large fanbase in a very short time. Compare that to now where everyone hates him, he's basically a Rain clone. He even 111'ed MC in a fucking showmatch lol. It's just dumb from him imo, perhaps he doesn't care because he now has a solid contract, but he's not very good at marketing imo =) And wtf is xel naga cavern doing in the map pool, and wth it is in this serie.
Haha i recently vetoed xel naga myself. But yea, we know Puma is capable of some inspirational play instead of this 111 bullcrap, lets hope he returns to his roots.
As far as marketing himself, he can just let EG do that, they seem to be good at doing that.
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On October 03 2011 16:42 Polarexia wrote:
I hope Elfi crushes Puma
puma plays idra if he wins
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On October 03 2011 16:41 Bayyne wrote:
I love the bashing in this thread about how Puma can't play past 1 base, as if his long macro games against MC and against countless players in the past 2 IEMS were just flukes.
If you guys want to bash, be witty about it. "LOL I got supply blocked @ 80 cuz i haz no macrroo". That shit is just battle.net forum worthy.
I agree with u, but he did get supply blocked like 4/5 times in that game...
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Omg Puma what a noob, only has one build..
User was warned for this post
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Maybe Puma is the first one who realizes that MULEs do NOT give 300 minerals. They only give you those minerals faster compared to mining with SCVs. Supply drop actually gives 100 minerals besides the mining you're doing. So maybe he drops supply for extra money (which MULEs don't give).
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On October 03 2011 16:40 Eschaton wrote:Show nested quote +On October 03 2011 16:38 TheAntZ wrote:
rofl, warp prisms as useless as ever against terrans. Vikings are an awful unit... you know he wouldn't have got the kill on the prism if JYP didn't right click the prism back toward the vikings accidentally? JYP did that to himself, not vikings. your tears are showing.
Yeah, vikings make me cry, and maybe im biased. But that warp prism wasnt going to get away. It was doomed as soon as puma noticed it existed
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Welp... this is gonna be an easy win for puma. Looks like we're probably going to get the match I want to see, puma vs elfi in the finals because there's no way in hell idra is gonna win vs puma rofl.
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On October 03 2011 16:43 itsjuspeter wrote:Show nested quote +On October 03 2011 16:40 Corrosive wrote:On October 03 2011 16:40 itsjuspeter wrote:On October 03 2011 16:38 Gary Oak wrote:
Puma roflstomping. This is why he's so good. Yeah, he 1-1-1s a lot, but he's far from a 1-1-1trick pony in TvP. He just used 1-1-1 fear to take an easy double expo... so if i dont actually 1-1-1 and just pretend to its still imba? no, thats called smart. I'm not gonna debate over how 1-1-1 is imba in this LR thread but if a protoss had a build in which you HAD to prepare BLINDLY or die, but if you do and then the protoss takes 2 easy expos while you prepare, and once you find out and its too late, how would u feel? It definitely is smart, i didn't say it wasnt, its just terrible from a protoss pov.
No player should ever fail to find a hidden base. How hard is it to really send 1 probe to every base on the map, or you know he could have used his observer.
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On October 03 2011 16:40 mcc wrote:Puma supply blocks himself very often, I have no idea why people praise his play that much. But from the look of things it seems that European PvT is pretty close or even on the same level as Korean PvT. Or Korean protosses are so frustrated that they are so resigned that it affects their psychology. Mana actually goes toe to toe with Puma and actually has positive record with him, shame he did not attend even though he qualified.
Because his NASL run was nothing short of amazing. Because he always places high in tournies even though he leans toward abusive play vP he can literally pull anything out of his sleeves, his vT and vZ are really entertaining.
On October 03 2011 16:44 icarly wrote:Show nested quote +On October 03 2011 16:43 itsjuspeter wrote:On October 03 2011 16:40 Corrosive wrote:On October 03 2011 16:40 itsjuspeter wrote:On October 03 2011 16:38 Gary Oak wrote:
Puma roflstomping. This is why he's so good. Yeah, he 1-1-1s a lot, but he's far from a 1-1-1trick pony in TvP. He just used 1-1-1 fear to take an easy double expo... so if i dont actually 1-1-1 and just pretend to its still imba? no, thats called smart. I'm not gonna debate over how 1-1-1 is imba in this LR thread but if a protoss had a build in which you HAD to prepare BLINDLY or die, but if you do and then the protoss takes 2 easy expos while you prepare, and once you find out and its too late, how would u feel? It definitely is smart, i didn't say it wasnt, its just terrible from a protoss pov. No player should ever fail to find a hidden base. How hard is it to really send 1 probe to every base on the map, or you know he could have used his observer.
Ez to say. ^^.
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On October 03 2011 16:44 Hierarch wrote:
no 1/1/1 on Xel? odd
Mind games?
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On October 03 2011 16:44 ichnaschekot wrote:
Maybe Puma is the first one who realizes that MULEs do NOT give 300 minerals. They only give you those minerals faster compared to mining with SCVs. Supply drop actually gives 100 minerals besides the mining you're doing. So maybe he drops supply for extra money (which MULEs don't give).
Maybe he supply drops because his macro is ass and he supply blocks himself all the time.
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On October 03 2011 16:40 Corrosive wrote:Show nested quote +On October 03 2011 16:40 itsjuspeter wrote:On October 03 2011 16:38 Gary Oak wrote:
Puma roflstomping. This is why he's so good. Yeah, he 1-1-1s a lot, but he's far from a 1-1-1trick pony in TvP. He just used 1-1-1 fear to take an easy double expo... so if i dont actually 1-1-1 and just pretend to its still imba? no, thats called smart.
His point is that 1/1/1 is so ridiculously good that Protoss have to panic about a possible 1/1/1 whenever they see a gas, and particularly if they see banshees. It's the same thing where Puzzle tried to go 2 gate robo expo to be safe vs Bomber when Bomber took gas, and he did what Puma is doing now and just pulled workers out to FE and was miles ahead.
The mere threat of 1/1/1 puts Terran at a huge advantage vs Toss in so many situations. There's an obvious issue when a build is so strong that it influences the match up considerably even when it's not being used.
Puma is at a massive advantage now.
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19 harvester vs 25 + 2 orbital...
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JYP has really bad builds, looks like he is scared about getting attacked. The thing is that his build in every game has been terrible against 1-1-1.
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On October 03 2011 16:44 Hierarch wrote:
no 1/1/1 on Xel? odd
Its common for Protoss to 3 gate Void ray on this map that is why
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On October 03 2011 16:40 MrCon wrote:Show nested quote +On October 03 2011 16:26 Angelbelow wrote:On October 03 2011 16:24 MrCon wrote:
Can't believe how Puma went from the pride of terran to the shame of terrans aka 111 man in such a short time...
After nasl finals he was my hero, now I despise him. He found a quicker way to win.. cant blame him, blame blizzard! Oh but I don't even think that 111 is imba, in fact I think JYP is the least good of all the new code A protoss heroes (Sage, Oz, JYP and Hero). JYP played very well some games but plays terrible since then. But to the point, Puma was an inspiration for all terrans after his nasl finals vs MC. He created himself a large fanbase in a very short time. Compare that to now where everyone hates him, he's basically a Rain clone. He even 111'ed MC in a fucking showmatch lol. It's just dumb from him imo, perhaps he doesn't care because he now has a solid contract, but he's not very good at marketing imo =) And wtf is xel naga cavern doing in the map pool, and wth it is in this serie.
He did a single all-in (1/1/1) in a BO5 (so far) and then used the fear of that all-in to do a double expand. How is he doing anything other than playing an excellent series? He's mindgaming and outplaying his opponent (or punishing his opponents mistakes). Why should any fan give a shit? No one got mad at MKP for doing 11/11 bunker rushes and blizzard patched that, too.
Stop with the blind hatred ya'll =(
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