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On October 02 2011 18:14 Taf the Ghost wrote:Show nested quote +On October 02 2011 18:06 TheDougler wrote:On October 02 2011 18:02 Eishi_Ki wrote: I still dont get why people like MKP, what has he actually done to inspire people so? Is it the mass marines thing? Does no one else think marines are one of the most boring units in the game?
Or do people just feel sorry for him?
I dont get it You poor bastard. You missed GSL2. It's not your fault, it was a busy time in all our lives. Go buy GSL season 2. Start watching the player known then as "Boxer". Note the rage, Artosis HATES him. Watch him kill the former champion fruitdealer... then watch the exact moment when rage turns to admiration as Foxer shows terran how to micro in what is STILL one of the best GSL series to date (MKP vs Kyrix). Think he can only do that TvZ? Watch the next series. Boxer vs Kyrix on Shakuras. The entire series is awesome, but that game alone was something else. With Artosis orgasming at each marine split <3 I think I watched this whole serie dozen and dozen times.
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On October 02 2011 18:14 FrostedMiniWheats wrote: So yeah....anyone still putting much stock in AoL lol? MKP 4-1 arguably the strongest zvt in the world. 3-0 MMA. DRG easily 2-0s MVP. Something is fishy
Yeah, its about as credible as MLG.
Comments like this are dumb. Progamers dont play to lose.
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On October 02 2011 18:14 alan25 wrote: SO SUMMARY FOR ALL THE GAMES? mass hellions for all? Some timing attack early game that killed DRG or put him ridiculously behind. This is the "easiest" way to beat DRG and that's to kill him before he gets to the mid game with 3 bases.
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Damn. That build on bel'shir really punishes the lingbling into muta builds which are very common, I'm not really sure what DRG could've done different except for going roaches. He even had 2 spines, queens and 10-15 banelings + zerglings. Usually T Pushes with marines and 6 or so blueflames, but now he had 10 blueflames and exceptional micro.
Same with the mass hellion build on dual sight, extremely hard to hold without roaches.
Maybe the time of skipping roaches zvt is past?!
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On October 02 2011 18:14 Taf the Ghost wrote:Show nested quote +On October 02 2011 18:06 TheDougler wrote:On October 02 2011 18:02 Eishi_Ki wrote: I still dont get why people like MKP, what has he actually done to inspire people so? Is it the mass marines thing? Does no one else think marines are one of the most boring units in the game?
Or do people just feel sorry for him?
I dont get it You poor bastard. You missed GSL2. It's not your fault, it was a busy time in all our lives. Go buy GSL season 2. Start watching the player known then as "Boxer". Note the rage, Artosis HATES him. Watch him kill the former champion fruitdealer... then watch the exact moment when rage turns to admiration as Foxer shows terran how to micro in what is STILL one of the best GSL series to date (MKP vs Kyrix). Think he can only do that TvZ? Watch the next series. Boxer vs Kyrix on Shakuras. The entire series is awesome, but that game alone was something else.
Yeah. I still like how MKP forgets Combat Shields.
His fruitdealer games are ok, but they were more shocking at the time. FruitDealer had just won a terran-heavy season 1 at a time when TvZ was widely considered imbalanced, and (as today) MKP exploited wonky timings to kill him. My personal favorite is when MKP walks into Fruit Dealer's base with like five marines, snipes an overlord, and leaves. (On Jungle Basin or something, ick.)
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I hope they make another tourney to cover the weekends now this is over :D
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On October 02 2011 18:14 Mioraka wrote:Show nested quote +On October 02 2011 18:13 Itsmedudeman wrote: DRG is absolutely getting figured out in this series. He lost the game the way MMA lost to Polt. "Kill him before mid game". It's actually a very good strategy. Except MMA is known to have really weak early game, while DRG is known to have really good early game D and harrasment prevention.
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On October 02 2011 18:17 iky43210 wrote:Show nested quote +On October 02 2011 18:16 LLuke wrote:On October 02 2011 18:15 iky43210 wrote: GSL is forever cursed.
but seriously, why didn't he make a single roach? Fixed that for you. both would work, but personally I much prefer banelings I guess vs that heavy hellions and marinekings micro skills, banelings would be kind of useless.
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On October 02 2011 18:11 Eishi_Ki wrote:Show nested quote +On October 02 2011 18:08 Nuithari wrote:On October 02 2011 18:02 Eishi_Ki wrote: I still dont get why people like MKP, what has he actually done to inspire people so? Is it the mass marines thing? Does no one else think marines are one of the most boring units in the game?
Or do people just feel sorry for him?
I dont get it How can't you like him? He got into GSL Open 2 from nowhere. And after a very scrappy first round, he picked himself up and beat Kyrix in an amazing matter, he beat both GSL Open 1 finalists on his way to give Nestea the scare of his life, being the only player to take a game of him and ending the finals at 4-3 in Nestea's favour. He changed the complete matchup in that tournament. In GSL Jan, he showed of that Marines worked in TvT as well. The match against NaDa comes to mind. He just delivers great matches time and time again. He wears his heart on his sleeve and the Kong line helps him to get some popularity as well. He just won me over at the start I guess The into GSL Open 2 'from nowhere' thing made me laugh. Not only were half (guess) the qualifiers new, he played BW (and not very well [relatively])
I'm glad I made you giggle I just meant most players were already playing in GSL 1. MKP just arrived in GSL 2 using BoxeR's ID and people were just laughing at him for being a BoxeR fanboy thinking he's good enough to actually compete
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On October 02 2011 18:16 Kogutz wrote: mkp fanboys gonna explode from insane amount of love. Not even close to entretained with those matches. The same stuff, over and over, since the 3rd game.
why would he change when its working? Why didnt DRG make roches? We will never know.
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iam happy for mkp...thats all
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On October 02 2011 18:15 haruk wrote:Show nested quote +On October 02 2011 18:10 Ausfailia wrote:On October 02 2011 18:06 TheDougler wrote:On October 02 2011 18:02 Eishi_Ki wrote: I still dont get why people like MKP, what has he actually done to inspire people so? Is it the mass marines thing? Does no one else think marines are one of the most boring units in the game?
Or do people just feel sorry for him?
I dont get it You poor bastard. You missed GSL2. It's not your fault, it was a busy time in all our lives. Go buy GSL season 2. Start watching the player known then as "Boxer". Note the rage, Artosis HATES him. Watch him kill the former champion fruitdealer... then watch the exact moment when rage turns to admiration as Foxer shows terran how to micro in what is STILL one of the best GSL series to date (MKP vs Kyrix). Think he can only do that TvZ? Watch the next series. Beat me to it. I know I wasn't the only person who was converted to, and remains, a MKP fan after his series against Kyrix in GSL2. The most recent example of a flash of brilliance from MKP that I can recall was game 4 against Leenock in GSL August... I know the majority of his play seems uninspiring, but games like that keep me hooked into MarineKing. Oh man, yeah, those splits. Mkp such a beast. I don't know how he held that.
Agreed. Game 5 was often overlooked due to the shock value having worn off slightly from the earlier games, but it was even BETTER in my opinion. Still TONNES of great marine splits.
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On October 02 2011 18:14 Itsmedudeman wrote:Show nested quote +On October 02 2011 18:13 Pajegetc wrote:On October 02 2011 18:05 Drey wrote:On October 02 2011 18:03 Mioraka wrote:On October 02 2011 18:02 Eishi_Ki wrote: I still dont get why people like MKP, what has he actually done to inspire people so? Is it the mass marines thing? Does no one else think marines are one of the most boring units in the game?
Or do people just feel sorry for him?
I dont get it No one said marines were OP before he made them OP. Most people were complaining about marauders. He changed the TvZ matchup completely. He popularized the 2 rax build. He got 2nd place 4 times in GSL. A lot of people said marines were good before him, they have insane dps and efficency, and how did he change TvZ ? Dont terran do marine/tank/medivacs anymore ? Before MKP vs Kyrix, NO ONE knew that splitting marines against Banelings was effective. No, MVP was the first to split marines, but MKP just made it really famous through that series and being only marine heavy.
that's what I said... sense no make have what?
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On October 02 2011 18:17 Fubi wrote:Show nested quote +On October 02 2011 18:14 Mioraka wrote:On October 02 2011 18:13 Itsmedudeman wrote: DRG is absolutely getting figured out in this series. He lost the game the way MMA lost to Polt. "Kill him before mid game". It's actually a very good strategy. Except MMA is known to have really weak early game, while DRG is known to have really good early game D and harrasment prevention. Doesn't matter about how good DRG is at defending, just comes down to builds and unit composition. MKP basically knew DRG was never going roaches, so all he had to do was mass helions in different ways to beat anything ling heavy. Go with some spines? Just do some helion drops. Pretty simple, and DRG really needed more time in between games and some good coaching after the 3rd game.
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On October 02 2011 18:14 StyLeD wrote:Show nested quote +On October 02 2011 18:14 JohnnyBlaze420 wrote: marine king too scared to play macro games against drg.... Stop crying. DRG doesn't know how to make roaches. While you're right about the first part, DRG is somewhat famous for his very aggressive roach timings ZvT. The problem is that it is just as gimmicky, and going roaches for safety on a map like TDA means you lose the macro game pretty hard. The roaches can clear the rocks at the 3rd so it's not as bad as it used to be (though the map is obviously much, much better for TvZ than it used to), but you need mutas to delay/deal with any tank/marine push which is just so, so strong when you can siege the natural this easily.
Marineking mixed his pressure very well, mixing full hellions, marine/hellions and hellion elevator. Don't act like DRG is mentally challenged for not going roaches, when going roaches is just as big a gamble as relying on queen/ling micro to defend.
Decent series overall, MarineKing deserved that win, he played great games.
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On October 02 2011 18:02 Eishi_Ki wrote: I still dont get why people like MKP, what has he actually done to inspire people so? Is it the mass marines thing? Does no one else think marines are one of the most boring units in the game?
Or do people just feel sorry for him?
I dont get it I agree completely. I feel like I'm in bizarro world where this boring gimmicky abusive 1 baser has a huge fan base. I feel confident in saying if mkp played the way he plays now(now being since the earl seasons where he got popular with marine splits) people would hate him.
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That series had little to do with drg not giving his best and a lot to do with MKP figuring him out.
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