I won't go as far as saying it would surprise me if a foreigner took a match today. Certainly the difference with koreans is high (very high) but nowhere near the "it is IMPOSSIBLE for these players to take a set off koreans". Were this BW we'd be talking a whole different issue.

That said, it is unlikely for mouz to take anything more than 1 set, 2 at most. Mana and thorzain can probably manage to take sets. People always place too much faith of EU top players, and in the end KR B-teamers end up beating them, usually easily. US <<< EU <<<<<<< KR imo. Add to this the fact that if they actually field any of their GSL players, particularly any of their terrans, their chances are even less.

The only way mouz is going to take this is if heavy lag is involved.

StarVe

Germany13591 Posts

October 01 2011 23:21 GMT

#42

On October 02 2011 08:13 coolyou wrote:
17 slayers vs. 5 mouz wtf! seriously mouz needs to add more players desperately

You can only play five anyway, so they don't need more. Also, I assume Thorzain, Mana, Morrow and Hasu are quite the expensive players, so adding another star player might be a bit much.

nath

United States1788 Posts

October 01 2011 23:26 GMT

#43

On October 02 2011 08:10 StarVe wrote:

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MorroW can snipe a toss and has a chance against a Terran, MaNa might bring down a terran and HasuObs has chances in any matchup if it goes 20+ minutes. Liquid didn't do badly last week and I think if SlayerS send out a similar team, Mouz could bring it to a deciding ninth game. If they send out a few actual GSL players it'll be a completely different story. Taeja or others could potentially all-kill.

i honestly don't think morrow can snipe a toss unless its some guy we've never heard of before from SlayerS. he probably couldn't beat alicia, even though ret did.

i also disagree with your statement about hasuobs, even though his lategame is good vs non-koreans. any good slayers terran will destroy him, no offense (i do realize hes your countryman and we can always hope)

mana and thorzain are the only two people i see taking games, unless something wacky happens.

Eee

Sweden2712 Posts

October 01 2011 23:31 GMT

#44

Just realised that hasu probably won't be playing since he's in China.

Sphaero

Germany1697 Posts

October 01 2011 23:36 GMT

#45

On October 02 2011 08:13 coolyou wrote:
17 slayers vs. 5 mouz wtf! seriously mouz needs to add more players desperately

Why would they need more players? Tell me, when does a team need more than 5 players outside GSTL? Especially when you have 4 players, who can beat absolutely anybody in the foreign scene.

Mousesports was always an organization, that prefered small but strong A rosters mixed with a few talents. In germany, it is seen as an absolute previlege to play for mousesports, because of their fame, accomplishments and professional management.

Mousesports is also capable of really supporting their top players (sending them to a lot international tournaments/decent salaries), because of the low number of players.

ChuCky.Ca

Canada2497 Posts

October 01 2011 23:36 GMT

#46

On October 02 2011 08:31 Eee wrote:
Just realised that hasu probably won't be playing since he's in China.

Well its bo9 lol he might need to

Imerej

Canada291 Posts

October 01 2011 23:41 GMT

#47

On October 02 2011 08:36 ChuCky.Ca wrote:

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Well its bo9 lol he might need to

The games were probably played before he went to China.

stork4ever

United States1036 Posts

October 01 2011 23:45 GMT

#48

SlayerS will probably send B teamers and one A teamer like against liquid. Competitive series overall which is good since it'll give us closer games rather then rolfstomps

StarVe

Germany13591 Posts

October 01 2011 23:49 GMT

#49

On October 02 2011 08:26 nath wrote:

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On October 02 2011 08:10 StarVe wrote:

On October 02 2011 07:33 nath wrote:

On October 02 2011 05:51 BjC wrote:

On October 02 2011 05:22 rickybobby wrote:
I would be surprised if slayers dropped a set to anyone other than thorzain

What? do you even know how damn good the rest of the mouz team are? Mana has beaten s class Korean terrans 2-0 a number of times for one.

--just seen your American and probabily trolling Europeans

thorzain can take games off any korean, and might even 2 or 3 kill if slayers sends out b-teamers. but he will not allkill.

mana can only be counted on to consistently beat koreans in pvt (and even then IMO at b-teamer level because NaDa played terrible in the tournaments MaNa beat him in, Elfi also 2-0'd NaDa and I dont think we can say Elfi is at S-Class PvT level rofl....), he is very good but korea is korea. and slayers has the best terrans of any team. i dont see him winning today.

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hasu is a good player but he's not on the level to be counted on against korean terrans or zergs, pvp is a coinflip even after the patch. he will likely not get a kill

morrow is a player i really admire but he is also not on a korean level. when you transcend the foreigner level, playing TvZ doesn't work as well as the terrans that have all their mechanics being practiced in all three matchups. same goes for his ZvT which he'd need to shine in to take games. his tvz and zvt KNOWLEDGE is unparalleled, i just dont think his execution can match the level needed to beat korean Zergs and Terrans (mostly his ZvT i think, while intelligent, wont be enough to take a game off Slayers TvZ)

bigs is self explanatory, he wont be able to take a game off a korean

but yeah im american and us <<<< eu = kr, right? keep deluding yourself.

Two months ago Morrow played practice games against SlayersPuzzle (then Zenex) on his stream and absolutely destroyed him about ten times in a row. He also beat HuK pretty handily. I haven't seen him play ZvP in a while but he really was sick good at that matchup - best in EU at that time.

About Hasu, that's got nothing to do with being a countryman, he just has solid lategame as you said - of course he'd have problems against good slayers terrans, but I could see him beating SlayerSLots and the like, also Boxer if he plays (he 3-0'd him in TSL 3).

Also it's only one game for every matchup so anything can happen. If Haypro can take games (even if he played very well), I'd say any Mouz player has a chance to do that, too.