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Sunday, Sep 25 1:00am GMT (GMT+00:00)
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Ret Fighting !! make us proud
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Select, Sen, Strelok and Ret are gonna roll.
I hope Moonglade or Nightend can make a stand.
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On September 25 2011 05:50 SafeAsCheese wrote:
Incontrol got this
inc playing the arguably the best foreigner zerg? yea he should be more then okay =p
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Poor iNka... Ret vs NightEnD and Strelok vs mOOnGLaDe look like some nice games!
Ret FIGHTING!!
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Let's go SeleCT and mOOnGLaDe!
Gonna be tough for iNcontrol, Sen is a beast.
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One-sided games today... Although Nightend could put up a fight.
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699 Posts
Poll: Inka vs select G1I like it! (6) 60% Not worth it.... (3) 30% If you have time (1) 10% 10 total votes Your vote: Inka vs select G1 (Vote): I like it!
(Vote): If you have time
(Vote): Not worth it....
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On September 25 2011 10:01 Bagi wrote:
One-sided games today... Although Nightend could put up a fight.
I thought so.
Who gonna surprise? Inka does.
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If iNka beats SeleCT, it will be a huge upset. SeleCT's TvP is feared by many. The way iNka played game one, it looks like he will be able to do it.
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Two can play the all in game.
Just 1-1-1 him SeleCT ;P
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Is it just me or are Gretorp and Lz pretty biased towards Inka here?
Nice game nevertheless, now try beating Select in a macro game. 
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On September 25 2011 10:11 Bagi wrote:Is it just me or are Gretorp and Lz pretty biased towards Inka here? Nice game nevertheless, now try beating Select in a macro game.
No, Grederp is always biased because he doesn't know how to read the game.
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Is anyone else having trouble getting the nasl site to load right now?
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Yeah, NASL won't load for me either.
Edit: Thanks Viking that works!
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Yeah, the site seems to be down, but the stream is still up. Just go to the stream on TL.
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On September 25 2011 10:11 Bagi wrote:Is it just me or are Gretorp and Lz pretty biased towards Inka here? Nice game nevertheless, now try beating Select in a macro game.
Well I missed the first game so I can't say about whether they were biased that game or not but iNkA used to be on EG so I wouldn't be surprised if him and Lz were still friends so that might have something to do with it for him at least if he was biased.
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How did Inka manage to win game one? That's great for him! Taking a game off select is not an easy task.
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United States462 Posts
On September 25 2011 10:17 Geos13 wrote:
How did Inka manage to win game one? That's great for him! Taking a game off select is not an easy task.
Inka is playing well right now.
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On September 25 2011 10:14 VikingKong wrote:
Yeah, the site seems to be down, but the stream is still up. Just go to the stream on TL.
nice didn't think of that, been watching nasl on the main site for so long that i forgot they had a stream on here, ty!!
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Select will be lagging hardcore for this.
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Wow... Select's micro and reaction time is pretty bad right now. I suppose it's the lag, but it's kind of depressing to watch this.
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last week they interviewed select and it looked like he was still home. i'm assuming when this match was played he must be in korea though? he definitely looks like he's lagging, a lot of easy EMPs missed, etc
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select is lagging really hard...he's having to presplit every battle
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Whats up with Select? Really sloppy macro.
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Selects play this game is so much different than against Alicia. It is almost like he is lagging badly.
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This just has to be lag
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Kind of sad to watch Select try to play without being able to micro... weird that the casters are avoiding mentioning it, although I guess it makes sense, it makes their casting seem super-biased. (to be fair, they probably are biased.)
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They never mention lag. They didnt even talk about it after Fenix complained ingame. Just ignored it.
Its not as if they can do anything about it tho, so i cant blame them.
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699 Posts
Poll: Inka vs select G2I like it! (21) 70% Not worth it.... (8) 27% If you have time (1) 3% 30 total votes Your vote: Inka vs select G2 (Vote): I like it!
(Vote): If you have time
(Vote): Not worth it....
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On September 25 2011 07:33 TemplarCo. wrote:
Poor iNka...
I'm sorry I said that...
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Best TvP? Wth did Gretorp smoke?
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Gretorp...
[x] didnt see MaNa vs terran.
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Inka played that very very awesome, gratz.
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were these played on patch 1.4?
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On September 25 2011 10:36 Talin wrote:
Inka played that very very awesome, gratz.
agree, very nice play. But that wasnt select playing with his full potential.
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inka played great! :D that was a great series
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On September 25 2011 10:35 DiaBoLuS wrote:
Gretorp...
[x] didnt see MaNa vs terran.
Hero also dismantled MKP in the WCG. That was an impressive PVT ( and i am a MKP fan).
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idk why they are hyping up the match so much...select is obviously lagging they could at least mention it instead of only complimenting Inka on his play. It's ridiculous how the Koreans can deal with the lag and still win...shows just how big the gap is.
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I didn't see the first game, however the second was pretty good. If lag was one of the reasons for many of SeleCT's mishaps like this thread suggests, I feel bad for him 
Regardless, I really did not expect these results o_O
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If Inka won that because of lag, he still looked impressive doing it.
And for the people blaming the casters for not mentioning lag... You really think they're going to advertise the lag?
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GG's
Btw, small error in OP. Maps played were Belshir Beach and ST, not dual sight ^^.
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Just tuned in, what happened? How did SeleCT lose to inka
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was this played on patch 1.4?
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lag decided the game. but even without it, inka played better than expected. maybe hes finally putting time in lol, he could be a beast if he ever had any motivation.
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over/under on how quickly incontrol loses to sen?
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I hope Sen doesn't play like he did vs SeleCT last week, if he plays like the Sen we all know and love he can win no problem.
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Did Incontrol kill one of the fish things with his scouting probe? Why so cruel?
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Incontrol going for a cannon rush. Come on incontrol there is other builds then DT cannon rush and Voidray cheese
Edit: God, Im speechless
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20 lings and incontrol dies :X
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Came in for the shit show
edit: aww not that way inc!
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On September 25 2011 10:46 wuddersup wrote:
over/under on how quickly incontrol loses to sen?
hahaha
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Incontrol deserved that for killing the NPC creature with his probe.
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On September 25 2011 10:45 SafeAsCheese wrote:
incontrol > sen ezpz
lol?
then i saw where ur from
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On September 25 2011 10:46 wuddersup wrote:
over/under on how quickly incontrol loses to sen?
if anyone said 6 minutes, you win!
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I've always wondered why Zergs don't do this more often when a Protoss goes FFE lol.
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omg to pull the drones to that min... just nubish
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On September 25 2011 10:51 GrungyMunchy wrote:
I've always wondered why Zergs don't do this more often when a Protoss goes FFE lol.
Because there isnt that many Incontrol´s in the world
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Why is orb analyzing games? He's an absolutely horrible player that blames all his losses on BS/imbalance
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On September 25 2011 10:51 GrungyMunchy wrote:
I've always wondered why Zergs don't do this more often when a Protoss goes FFE lol.
If protoss blocks properly, you lose 10-20 lings to cannons
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On September 25 2011 10:51 GrungyMunchy wrote:
I've always wondered why Zergs don't do this more often when a Protoss goes FFE lol.
because there are better p's than incontrol
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incontrol is MASSIV, massiv overretated... if he is rated at all.
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I haven't won with a zergling runby since BW, guess its viable with the new forge expand build protoss use with no defense other than 1-2 cannons.
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On September 25 2011 10:45 SafeAsCheese wrote:
incontrol > sen ezpz
Almost.
Once that pylon got cancelled, you know he was preoccupied in thinking about where he was going to place his DT shrine down and the lings got into his base, ending the game in less than 6 minutes. We've all been there.
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Poll: incontrol vs Sen G1Not worth it.... (15) 63% I like it! (7) 29% If you have time (2) 8% 24 total votes Your vote: incontrol vs Sen G1 (Vote): I like it!
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On September 25 2011 10:53 Zarathusta wrote:
I haven't won with a zergling runby since BW, guess its viable with the new forge expand build protoss use with no defense other than 1-2 cannons.
vs incontrol and other garbage protoss players, yes.
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On September 25 2011 10:52 SafeAsCheese wrote:Show nested quote +On September 25 2011 10:51 GrungyMunchy wrote:
I've always wondered why Zergs don't do this more often when a Protoss goes FFE lol. If protoss blocks properly, you lose 10-20 lings to cannons
But you just can't lock your base airtight, and Sen had more zerglings than normal so he could pass through all that, lose some zerglings and still do damage. Incontrol's mistake was not to transfer his probes from the main to the defended natural, no?
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not the biggest fan of incontrol, but this is getting sad
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Cannon rush in game 2 after a failed cannon rush in game 1 GOGOGO!!
Amazing, inspiring, revolutionary play.
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On September 25 2011 10:52 unSpeake wrote:
Why is orb analyzing games? He's an absolutely horrible player that blames all his losses on BS/imbalance
orb is a good caster, man
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what the hell, who cannon rushes like that against zerg? just block the expos and macro. christ incontrol
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looks like incontrol has been taking lessons from combatex?
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wtf is this beta?
This is almost sad in how bad it is.
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Epic fail.
I feel bad for incontrol ;(
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that's the sort of cannon rush i see at diamond 2v2 ._. oh dear... gl incontrol
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Ahh I see, Incontrol is going for the common, fail cannon rush into expo vs Zerg, obvious isn't it?
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Have not watched a whole lot of the state of the game/inside the game episodes, but is it not kind of hypocritical by iNcontroL to talk about late game strategies?
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Incontrol is just free liquidbet points right now.
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On September 25 2011 10:53 The Void wrote:
incontrol is MASSIV, massiv overretated... if he is rated at all.
No he's not.
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lol I wast just gonna say that there was an Artosis pylon. :D
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Failed cheese, transitioning to Artosis pylons. Not a great game plan.
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incontrol can't stop this.
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wtf bust was that sen? the cyber? really?
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...Wow
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Ok second baneling bust works fine.
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Poll: incontrol vs Sen G2Not worth it.... (29) 88% I like it! (3) 9% If you have time (1) 3% 33 total votes Your vote: incontrol vs Sen G2 (Vote): I like it!
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um I am so tempted to just type fail <_> That bust was awful. Doesn't matter but...
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watching incontrol so epic. no words.
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NASL, you need a "watch because it's funny" option
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On September 25 2011 10:56 _Mittens wrote:
Cannon rush in game 2 after a failed cannon rush in game 1 GOGOGO!!
Amazing, inspiring, revolutionary play.
He's a scholar and a gentleman.
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LMAO a little bit of sarcasm from incontrol
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wow incontrol with the sarcastic "great series". guy can't last more than 8 minutes vs zerg. holy crap
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Omg, Plz don't quit you day job Incontrol!
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"great series sen"
that is some terrible bm.
he should be ashamed of himself - everything was TOTALLY his fault.
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Great series?!
Poor Inc was badly outclassed there.
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That's why Sen is number 1 on TLPD ranks.
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lol coming from the guy who tries to cannon rush twice in a row.
sen's not going to put of with this bullshit
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On September 25 2011 10:55 GrungyMunchy wrote:Show nested quote +On September 25 2011 10:52 SafeAsCheese wrote:On September 25 2011 10:51 GrungyMunchy wrote:
I've always wondered why Zergs don't do this more often when a Protoss goes FFE lol. If protoss blocks properly, you lose 10-20 lings to cannons But you just can't lock your base airtight, and Sen had more zerglings than normal so he could pass through all that, lose some zerglings and still do damage. Incontrol's mistake was not to transfer his probes from the main to the defended natural, no?
Would anyone kindly answer this to me? Because that was something I can definitely see happening against me lol.
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That was actually amazing timing by sen. He probably assumed it wouldn't be an artosis pylon so going for the cyber core is very smart. I'm impressed his baneling bust hit right before warpgates finished. I'm assuming that was not a coincidence.
On September 25 2011 11:02 GrungyMunchy wrote:Show nested quote +On September 25 2011 10:55 GrungyMunchy wrote:On September 25 2011 10:52 SafeAsCheese wrote:On September 25 2011 10:51 GrungyMunchy wrote:
I've always wondered why Zergs don't do this more often when a Protoss goes FFE lol. If protoss blocks properly, you lose 10-20 lings to cannons But you just can't lock your base airtight, and Sen had more zerglings than normal so he could pass through all that, lose some zerglings and still do damage. Incontrol's mistake was not to transfer his probes from the main to the defended natural, no? Would anyone kindly answer this to me? Because that was something I can definitely see happening against me lol.
Your assumption that "you just can't lock your base airtight" is wrong. It's just not ridiculously easy
I agree it could be effective in a lot of situations where it isn't used, but that's because its risky. If you go for fast gas for speed, invest in the lings, and get the lings across the map, your opponent's sim city could have changed or more cannons could be built and you could essentially lose the game instantly by being too far behind.
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On September 25 2011 11:01 Lunas wrote:
Omg, Plz don't quit you day job Incontrol!
he has no dayjob.
he lives in a pro-gaming sc2 house and plays it for a living.
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Was that an honest comment from incontrol or sarcasm? If the latter, he only has himself to blame.
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Here we go Orb, the map pool was wrong, not iNcontroL's play... -_-
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Wow, what a sad game. :c
Was Select vs Inka good? Select is pretty damn good in TvP.
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hopefully this leads to him being invited to less shit.
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On September 25 2011 11:02 Inky87 wrote:
That's why Sen is number 1 on TLPD ranks.
lol?
This series was in no way indicitive of Sen's incredible skill.
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On September 25 2011 11:02 RowdierBob wrote:
Great series?!
Poor Inc was badly outclassed there.
Sen, though we see less of him since the team swap, is just a fucking monster. He takes out people like Losira, Inc never stood a chance.
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On September 25 2011 10:58 Xcobidoo wrote:
Have not watched a whole lot of the state of the game/inside the game episodes, but is it not kind of hypocritical by iNcontroL to talk about late game strategies?
What bothers me is that incontrol's play is exactly the kind of play that incontrol would loudly criticize on SOTG. I can almost here him saying "you know, cannon rushing in game 2 after a failed cannon rush and ling run by loss in game 1, pretty high level play * condescending laugh*".
Well, that whole series took all of like 11 minutes. It's all good. Incontrol will talk a bunch of shit about people hating on him and talk about how he is refocusing his play and has a new mindset training in the EG house, then will cannon/DT rush on his way to another stunning MLG finish.
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"both those players are FANTASTIC!"
man, commentary superlatives really take away from when people actually ARE fantastic. T.T
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I think Sen intended to hit the Cyber Core. Don't know why, but the way he was positioning (running the banelings inwards into cannon fire and then busting) made it seem obvious.
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2-3 sentries would have make these banes useless
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On September 25 2011 11:02 NuclearJudas wrote:
Wow, what a sad game. :c
Was Select vs Inka good? Select is pretty damn good in TvP.
Not really. Select was not on top of his game and most would attribute that to lag.
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I need some coaching lessons from incontrol how to get those sponsors with that skill!
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On September 25 2011 11:02 GrungyMunchy wrote:Show nested quote +On September 25 2011 10:55 GrungyMunchy wrote:On September 25 2011 10:52 SafeAsCheese wrote:On September 25 2011 10:51 GrungyMunchy wrote:
I've always wondered why Zergs don't do this more often when a Protoss goes FFE lol. If protoss blocks properly, you lose 10-20 lings to cannons But you just can't lock your base airtight, and Sen had more zerglings than normal so he could pass through all that, lose some zerglings and still do damage. Incontrol's mistake was not to transfer his probes from the main to the defended natural, no? Would anyone kindly answer this to me? Because that was something I can definitely see happening against me lol.
Can you do a full block on that map? On most maps protosses do a full block and just bust down their forge or gate when they're moving out.
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what is exactly incontrol doing in the EG house?
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I just lost all respect for that iNcontroL guy...
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I don't get it..."Great series sen" is supposed to mock sen for lackluster cheesy games?
Yet he cheeses twice?
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On September 25 2011 11:04 Teejing wrote:
I need some coaching lessons from incontrol how to get those sponsors with that skill!
that would actually be an epic lesson. it would be worth A LOT though. -________-
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The hyenas and vultures have come out to stalk the thread, I see.
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On September 25 2011 11:03 _Mittens wrote:Show nested quote +On September 25 2011 10:58 Xcobidoo wrote:
Have not watched a whole lot of the state of the game/inside the game episodes, but is it not kind of hypocritical by iNcontroL to talk about late game strategies? What bothers me is that incontrol's play is exactly the kind of play that incontrol would loudly criticize on SOTG. I can almost here him saying "you know, cannon rushing in game 2 after a failed cannon rush and ling run by loss in game 1, pretty high level play * condescending laugh*". Well, that whole series took all of like 11 minutes. It's all good. Incontrol will talk a bunch of shit about people hating on him and talk about how he is refocusing his play and has a new mindset training in the EG house, then will cannon/DT rush on his way to another stunning MLG finish.
or, or -
"the lag between the servers was causing so many issues in g1 that i just decided to get it overwith. blizzard really needs to fix the lag"
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"didnt you all know that cannon rushing vs a guy going speedlings is the smartest thing to do? I learned it from all the good protosses in the EG house. oh wait"
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"orb said it best, the maps were terrible for toss"
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you guys are pretty mean  . the poor guy knows hes a avg to high-masters level at best. hes just trying to make a living off of gaming because he probably doesn't know anything else. cmon cheer for the little guy sometime!
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Is it just me or they're showing "breaking down the game" on a game that is airing later tonight? Lol..
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what the fuck are we watching LOOOL
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On September 25 2011 11:05 Kvz wrote:you guys are pretty mean . the poor guy knows hes a avg to high-masters level at best. hes just trying to make a living off of gaming because he probably doesn't know anything else. cmon cheer for the little guy sometime!
cheer for the guy who mocks his opponent for not playing macro games when he tries to cannon rush twice?
you must be kidding me.
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On September 25 2011 11:05 Insane wrote:
Is it just me or they're showing "breaking down the game" on a game that is airing later tonight? Lol..
-.-
Nasl...Fail...
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On September 25 2011 11:05 Insane wrote:
Is it just me or they're showing "breaking down the game" on a game that is airing later tonight? Lol..
LOL! NASL, pull the plug!!!!
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On September 25 2011 11:05 Insane wrote:
Is it just me or they're showing "breaking down the game" on a game that is airing later tonight? Lol..
If true that would be quite 'amateur'. Hope it isn't true.
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i am afraid next toss roflstomp incoming
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On September 25 2011 11:06 JoeSchmoe wrote:Show nested quote +On September 25 2011 11:05 Kvz wrote:you guys are pretty mean . the poor guy knows hes a avg to high-masters level at best. hes just trying to make a living off of gaming because he probably doesn't know anything else. cmon cheer for the little guy sometime! cheer for the guy who mocks his opponent for not playing macro games when he tries to cannon rush twice? you must be kidding me.
Never considered that he was making fun of himself, eh?
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It appears as though this "breakdown" is happening before the match aired.
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why does it take so long to fix such an obvious problem?
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On September 25 2011 11:04 Takezou wrote:Show nested quote +On September 25 2011 11:02 NuclearJudas wrote:
Wow, what a sad game. :c
Was Select vs Inka good? Select is pretty damn good in TvP. Not really. Select was not on top of his game and most would attribute that to lag.
Oh bullshit. Select's macro in game 2 was pretty bad. 2k/2k when he was down 80 supply.
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On September 25 2011 11:06 Takezou wrote:Show nested quote +On September 25 2011 11:05 Insane wrote:
Is it just me or they're showing "breaking down the game" on a game that is airing later tonight? Lol.. If true that would be quite 'amateur'. Hope it isn't true.
Look who plays today.
iNkA vs SeleCT
Sen vs iNcontroL <----------------------- (We are here)
Strelok vs mOOnGLaDe
NightEnD vs Ret
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On September 25 2011 11:06 JoeSchmoe wrote:Show nested quote +On September 25 2011 11:05 Kvz wrote:you guys are pretty mean . the poor guy knows hes a avg to high-masters level at best. hes just trying to make a living off of gaming because he probably doesn't know anything else. cmon cheer for the little guy sometime! cheer for the guy who mocks his opponent for not playing macro games when he tries to cannon rush twice? you must be kidding me.
Cmon man i am not a big fan of Incontrol but how did he mock Sen?
In fact i bet you Geoff and Sen are friends.
Bandwagon internet hate on Incontrol seems to be all the rage.
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Oh my god NASL, stop broadcasting this! LOL
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How long is this commentary? It's so pointless....
START THE GAME ALREADY!
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On September 25 2011 11:04 FryktSkyene wrote:
I don't get it..."Great series sen" is supposed to mock sen for lackluster cheesy games?
Yet he cheeses twice?
It's sometimes hard to tell whether Incontrol was being sarcastic or not, given his tendency to write long gm messages at the end of games, but I imagine he was probably frustrated that the games never went to macro mode. The first game, where his build wasn't really a cheese build (whether he put down that pylon + cannon wasn't essential), Sen won with a quick zergling runby, and the second game, where Sen was ahead after holding the cannon rush, could've transitioned into a macro game but for Sen's decision to baneling bust.
Both of these losses were Incontrol's fault, mind you. He was probably just venting.
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This is a good time killer while waiting for WCG Korea
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i want incontrol to win, even though im a zerg... but damn, it seems like hes putting up less and less of a fight. I would think you'd be able to see a huge jump in his skill levle after playing 10 hours a day in a pro house with amazing players like idra demuslim, puma etc.
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oh my lol, i think we should stop flaming. everything's getting a bit overstated now
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On September 25 2011 11:04 Takezou wrote:Show nested quote +On September 25 2011 11:02 NuclearJudas wrote:
Wow, what a sad game. :c
Was Select vs Inka good? Select is pretty damn good in TvP. Not really. Select was not on top of his game and most would attribute that to lag.
OK. Thanks, man. Just got in for the second Inc vs Sen game. Did Incontrol cannon rush both games (thought that's what it sounded like reading the thread)? if so, it's kind of sad. I thought he was confident in PvZ?
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Since NightEnd was not in NASL 1, I guess this is from tonight's game xD
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Ok so are they really actually commentating on a game that we havent even seen yet but is going to be aired soon?? HUGE FAIL NASL LOL
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the poor guy knows hes a avg to high-masters level at best.
the problem is this just isn't true. he always talks like he's da bomb.
from the man himself.
In my worst slump I beat choya / drewbie and others.. these are people you couldn't get a game with because nobody cares about you.
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How is this video still being played? Am i crazy or are they showing something they shouldn't be showing yet? And if so, how has someone not realized it and pulled it down?
And to whoever mentioned it, sen absolutely was aiming for the cyber core. He killed it right before warpgates finished, which would win the game for zerg a lot of the time. It was one of the best timed baneling busts i've ever seen. It's unfortunate the quality of that play never got noticed though.
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lol this gretorp analysis. ret just makes drones and keep on expanding. he doesnt think that much
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On September 25 2011 11:07 Inky87 wrote:Show nested quote +On September 25 2011 11:04 Takezou wrote:On September 25 2011 11:02 NuclearJudas wrote:
Wow, what a sad game. :c
Was Select vs Inka good? Select is pretty damn good in TvP. Not really. Select was not on top of his game and most would attribute that to lag. Oh bullshit. Select's macro in game 2 was pretty bad. 2k/2k when he was down 80 supply.
Please if you don't think lag can effect more than micro then your are delusional.
It can completely throw of your game and plenty of pros have spoken about this. Just try and play an intense game with lag yourself and see how many mistakes you make.
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On September 25 2011 11:06 JoeSchmoe wrote:Show nested quote +On September 25 2011 11:05 Kvz wrote:you guys are pretty mean . the poor guy knows hes a avg to high-masters level at best. hes just trying to make a living off of gaming because he probably doesn't know anything else. cmon cheer for the little guy sometime! cheer for the guy who mocks his opponent for not playing macro games when he tries to cannon rush twice? you must be kidding me.
That wasn't BM. Inc is always overly good mannered after games, and he respects sen a lot. His comment at the end was actually sincere.
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On September 25 2011 11:09 Deekin[ wrote:
Ok so are they really actually commentating on a game that we havent even seen yet but is going to be aired soon?? HUGE FAIL NASL LOL
Given how long it takes them to respond to issues like this, I wonder whether they actually watch their own cast at all, or if they just hit the go button and then go afk lol.
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On September 25 2011 11:08 TT1 wrote:
lolol good ol nasl
Um... Aren't you playing in it?
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Can Gretorp just fucking stop talk?? This is getting so annoying....
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Wtf NASL.....so much fail
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So, any bets on how Game 1 of Ret vs NightEnd ends? I say mass ultralisk!
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wow this game feels so "Live" ^^
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ROFL why is this postgame analysis so long
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lol @ this fail.. I mean.. its forgivable for the first few minutes.. but cmon... they've let this shit play for this long?
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at least this game is still new to us..... lol
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On September 25 2011 11:11 Xcobidoo wrote:
So, any bets on how Game 1 of Ret vs NightEnd ends? I say mass ultralisk!
Well if this analysis is correct and I have no doubt that it is Ret is going to make alot of drones
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On September 25 2011 11:11 TT1 wrote:
ROFL why is this postgame analysis so long
yeah true dat...I bet ret wins game one...thanks nasl
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On September 25 2011 11:07 Takezou wrote:Show nested quote +On September 25 2011 11:06 JoeSchmoe wrote:On September 25 2011 11:05 Kvz wrote:you guys are pretty mean . the poor guy knows hes a avg to high-masters level at best. hes just trying to make a living off of gaming because he probably doesn't know anything else. cmon cheer for the little guy sometime! cheer for the guy who mocks his opponent for not playing macro games when he tries to cannon rush twice? you must be kidding me. Cmon man i am not a big fan of Incontrol but how did he mock Sen? In fact i bet you Geoff and Sen are friends. Bandwagon internet hate on Incontrol seems to be all the rage.
you don't need to be a rocket scientist to recognize that saying "thx for the great series" to someone who rushes you twice is not mockery because we all know that was truly a great series.
see how sen goes "..." after?
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I am disliking Gretorps casting more and more.
This is all basic stuff. And when he tries to read something special, he often fails.
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This is so long...wtf...I don't want to watch the entire game
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Maybe they just want to show is the entire g1 like this?
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From today's analysis I've learned that larva injects a very very VERY important for zerg.
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maybe painuser will show us how to scout on xel naga next.
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Gretorp fails at math :p 1800 about 70-80% more than 1100?
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Does NASL not have anyone monitoring their live broadcast?
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NASL is on it. Its a mistake give them some slack
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WTF Nightend just killed his own Twilight Council? :D
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nightend killing his own twilight council?!
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Man..this postgame "analysis" is as long as the game itself
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why did he kill his own twilight council?
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Lmao, game just cut out.
Nice NASL.
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On September 25 2011 11:13 nvs. wrote:
maybe painuser will show us how to scout on xel naga next.
Oh my God, that made my night!
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On September 25 2011 11:14 nanaoei wrote:
nightend killing his own twilight council?!
I think so.
And NASL kills his own cast.
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just took them 5+ min to realize something? ^^
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Why are they doing a post game analysis that is equivalent in length to the actual game and which hasn't even aired yet?
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On September 25 2011 11:10 hitpoint wrote:Show nested quote +On September 25 2011 11:06 JoeSchmoe wrote:On September 25 2011 11:05 Kvz wrote:you guys are pretty mean . the poor guy knows hes a avg to high-masters level at best. hes just trying to make a living off of gaming because he probably doesn't know anything else. cmon cheer for the little guy sometime! cheer for the guy who mocks his opponent for not playing macro games when he tries to cannon rush twice? you must be kidding me. That wasn't BM. Inc is always overly good mannered after games, and he respects sen a lot. His comment at the end was actually sincere.
yes "overly good mannered" at live events. he has mocked opponents plenty of times before with these sarcastic remarks. his remark at the end of the game was clearly bm. that was a horrible series and he knows it.
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Wait, Nightend killed his templar archives? Nasl, the failing that keeps failing... and now, transitioning into a brutal unplug. Welll, it's 4AM in France, good night.
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On September 25 2011 11:13 lbmaian wrote:
Gretorp fails at math :p 1800 about 70-80% more than 1100?
I'm pretty bad at math, but that doesn't seem too wrong. 70% of 1100 is 770. 1100 + 770 =1870... sounds about right? I'm probably dumb tho..
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I have a feeling that if they didn't cut that post game analysis out, it would've been longer than the sen/incontrol series in its entirety.
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My analysis is that this is boring. WTF is this, a class lecture? Make the segment 60 seconds long MAX.
This is the most boring thing ever, are you trying to scare away potential casual viewers?
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Strelok now? What is this?
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hahaha oh man ._. i feel so bad about today's cast/games . . . .
but i'll personally forget all of this happened the next time i wake up
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On September 25 2011 11:13 nvs. wrote:
maybe painuser will show us how to scout on xel naga next.
Oh god that gave me a good laugh. :D
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NASL is so bad xD but thanks for the analysis it was VERY MUCH INFORMATIVE
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On September 25 2011 11:13 nvs. wrote:
maybe painuser will show us how to scout on xel naga next.
rofl, lol´d
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If you watched that sen v inc series without knowing the names of the players, I think 100% of people would say "wow, that Protoss player is the worst pro player I have ever seen."
But it's incontrol, so we need to have excuses, and hate on people who are critical.
I would have so much more respect for inc if he would take some time, lay low, and focus on the game, even if he still sucked, rather than parade himself on SOTG and Live on 3 every week and act like he has supreme knowledge of the game, making sarcastic balance complaints and all the other bullshit he does.
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On September 25 2011 11:15 Spicy Pepper wrote:
My analysis is that this is boring. WTF is this, a class lecture? Make the segment 60 seconds long MAX.
This is the most boring thing ever, are you trying to scare away potential casual viewers?
I have to agree with this. I am not a huge fan of Gretorp's analysis anyway and that was just not insightful or entertaining. It is cool to try that type of segment, but keep it short.
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Oh man, I was AFK and came back to read from page 7 onwards. I'm glad I missed that fail.
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On September 25 2011 11:08 Kelethius wrote:
i want incontrol to win, even though im a zerg... but damn, it seems like hes putting up less and less of a fight. I would think you'd be able to see a huge jump in his skill levle after playing 10 hours a day in a pro house with amazing players like idra demuslim, puma etc.
It's not like you move to progaming house and get better over night.
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On September 25 2011 11:15 Spicy Pepper wrote:
My analysis is that this is boring. WTF is this, a class lecture? Make the segment 60 seconds long MAX.
This is the most boring thing ever, are you trying to scare away potential casual viewers?
QFT...the analysis seems to be aimed at bronze level players (larva injects are important, scout more?!), yet you have Gretorp reciting it in a monotone....at least have totalbiscuit bring some excitement into the postgame 
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Cmooon Strelok
We need an interview!
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Lmfao, such a flattering pic of mOOnGLaDe.
He looks like that alien cockroach guy out of Men In Black.
:S
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On September 25 2011 11:15 Deekin[ wrote:
NASL is so bad xD but thanks for the analysis it was VERY MUCH INFORMATIVE
sarcasm?
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On September 25 2011 11:16 _Mittens wrote:
If you watched that sen v inc series without knowing the names of the players, I think 100% of people would say "wow, that Protoss player is the worst pro player I have ever seen."
But it's incontrol, so we need to have excuses, and hate on people who are critical.
I would have so much more respect for inc if he would take some time, lay low, and focus on the game, even if he still sucked, rather than parade himself on SOTG and Live on 3 every week and act like he has supreme knowledge of the game, making sarcastic balance complaints and all the other bullshit he does.
I would just like him to stop cheeseing. Both those games would have went into regular macro games [most likley] if he didn't start the cannon crap. If you want a real game, play stragiht up. None of this cannon crap.
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On September 25 2011 11:16 TheAmazombie wrote:Show nested quote +On September 25 2011 11:15 Spicy Pepper wrote:
My analysis is that this is boring. WTF is this, a class lecture? Make the segment 60 seconds long MAX.
This is the most boring thing ever, are you trying to scare away potential casual viewers? I have to agree with this. I am not a huge fan of Gretorp's analysis anyway and that was just not insightful or entertaining. It is cool to try that type of segment, but keep it short.
Yeah, I hope I wasn't too harsh. It was a clever idea, but there's a reason mainstream sports don't do in-depth analysis. Most people hate it. The reality is that people want to be entertained, not educated.
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Is the op trolling hard? Did Incontrol and Inka win?
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Stupid australian accent jokes and talking about hometowns? seriously...
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This is very odd. How did that slip them by? Surely they review their stuff before airing it? Oh, well.
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On September 25 2011 11:18 -Strider- wrote:
Is the op trolling hard? Did Incontrol and Inka win?
Inka won. Inc didn't.
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On September 25 2011 11:18 -Strider- wrote:
Is the op trolling hard? Did Incontrol and Inka win?
Sen is highlighted in the games, just a typo.
Inka is a beast.
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On September 25 2011 11:18 -Strider- wrote:
Is the op trolling hard? Did Incontrol and Inka win?
Inka won, Incontrol didnt.
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On September 25 2011 11:18 greatZERG wrote:
Stupid australian accent jokes and talking about hometowns? seriously...
That was 50% of the jokes last season
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On September 25 2011 11:18 NuclearJudas wrote:
This is very odd. How did that slip them by? Surely they review their stuff before airing it? Oh, well.
The thing is...I was reading the chat and they (Nasl staff of some sort) were in the chat. At one point in the game I saw "Should I let it go or just skip it" from one of them. I then proceeded to facepalm.
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On September 25 2011 11:17 FryktSkyene wrote:Show nested quote +On September 25 2011 11:16 _Mittens wrote:
If you watched that sen v inc series without knowing the names of the players, I think 100% of people would say "wow, that Protoss player is the worst pro player I have ever seen."
But it's incontrol, so we need to have excuses, and hate on people who are critical.
I would have so much more respect for inc if he would take some time, lay low, and focus on the game, even if he still sucked, rather than parade himself on SOTG and Live on 3 every week and act like he has supreme knowledge of the game, making sarcastic balance complaints and all the other bullshit he does. I would just like him to stop cheeseing. Both those games would have went into regular macro games [most likley] if he didn't start the cannon crap. If you want a real game, play stragiht up. None of this cannon crap.
It looks like Incontrol got 3 builds
1. cannon rush
2.Voidray rush
3. DT
That´s pretty much all I see from him
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On September 25 2011 11:19 Juvant wrote:Show nested quote +On September 25 2011 11:18 -Strider- wrote:
Is the op trolling hard? Did Incontrol and Inka win? Sen is highlighted in the games, just a typo. Inka is a beast.
Inka is super overrated right now, I've been extremely impressed by his recent performance. It's like he's totally transformed. He's super intelligent.
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Man, NASL is fucking up my liquibet pretty hard .___.
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On September 25 2011 11:17 Daniel C wrote:Show nested quote +On September 25 2011 11:15 Deekin[ wrote:
NASL is so bad xD but thanks for the analysis it was VERY MUCH INFORMATIVE sarcasm?
Not on the first part, but yes on the second as the caps indicates.
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On September 25 2011 11:15 norterrible wrote:Show nested quote +On September 25 2011 11:13 lbmaian wrote:
Gretorp fails at math :p 1800 about 70-80% more than 1100? I'm pretty bad at math, but that doesn't seem too wrong. 70% of 1100 is 770. 1100 + 770 =1870... sounds about right? I'm probably dumb tho..
I don't recall the exact numbers but Ret's income was actually around 55% more than NightEnd's. Something like low 1800s vs. high 1100s.
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On September 25 2011 11:21 Shikyo wrote:Show nested quote +On September 25 2011 11:19 Juvant wrote:On September 25 2011 11:18 -Strider- wrote:
Is the op trolling hard? Did Incontrol and Inka win? Sen is highlighted in the games, just a typo. Inka is a beast. Inka is super overrated right now, I've been extremely impressed by his recent performance. It's like he's totally transformed. He's super intelligent.
you mean underrated then? xd
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Strelok's build is so nice. He's gonna be so tough to stop mid to late game.
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On September 25 2011 11:24 lbmaian wrote:Show nested quote +On September 25 2011 11:15 norterrible wrote:On September 25 2011 11:13 lbmaian wrote:
Gretorp fails at math :p 1800 about 70-80% more than 1100? I'm pretty bad at math, but that doesn't seem too wrong. 70% of 1100 is 770. 1100 + 770 =1870... sounds about right? I'm probably dumb tho.. I don't recall the exact numbers but Ret's income was actually around 55% more than NightEnd's. Something like low 1800s vs. high 1100s.
Oh man, his rough mental estimate was 15ish% off. Totally worth trolling him over. >:O
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Why are they watching Streloks base the whole time.....
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WTF Moonglade? 15 roaches can kill 10 marines and an unsieged tank. Just freaking kill them! If he loses this Belshir game I have no sympathy.
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So strelok did nothing against those banelings? He didnt even move his workers?...
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I really love Strelok's play.
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On September 25 2011 11:25 andaylin wrote:Show nested quote +On September 25 2011 11:21 Shikyo wrote:On September 25 2011 11:19 Juvant wrote:On September 25 2011 11:18 -Strider- wrote:
Is the op trolling hard? Did Incontrol and Inka win? Sen is highlighted in the games, just a typo. Inka is a beast. Inka is super overrated right now, I've been extremely impressed by his recent performance. It's like he's totally transformed. He's super intelligent. you mean underrated then? xd
oippppaassssss
oops*
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Some really nice drops from Strelok, but I'm not sure if he can win without ghosts or consistent splitting of units against the infestors.
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Moonglade didn't cancel either of those hatches I believe.
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lol Strelok drops a single marine right next to a huge pack of zerglings :D
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Moonglade playing pretty sloppy?
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super sloppy from both sides
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Strelok keeps getting caught unsieged ; ;
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Strelok's owning the macro game but his battle engagement are horrible.
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Strelok...siege your tanks!
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wow strelok is playing horrrrible
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Orbital not even lifted?? Cmon...
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Strelok should have won this game easily if he just sieged his tanks.
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Strelok why dont you siege tanks
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and now Moonglade walking in and killing his own infestors? :/
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Did Strelok wager he'll win this game without sieging his tanks or something?
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sloppy play by both players
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Im tempted to support NASL and buy a season pass. How is the quality etc? :D
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both sides playing badly -.-
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Has Strelok forgotten 2 medivacs somewhere?
He has always up in supply, down in workers, and the army of Moonglade looks much bigger.
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70 seconds to make a Ultra? Cmon Gretorp, you are a caster of a game you dont even know what the patch changes is?
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Strelok playing so well other than his engagements. His strategy really paying off, expand like a zerg, deny their expansions.
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On September 25 2011 11:37 Deekin[ wrote:
70 seconds to make a Ultra? Cmon Gretorp, you are a caster of a game you dont even know what the patch changes is?
Maybe the games were played pre patch? Idk.
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pretty close game on a slighly Z favoured map.
some mistakes by strelok, but moonglade still one level below strelok.
Decent showing by moonglade though.
€: this week is prepatch, next week should be new patch already.
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On September 25 2011 11:37 Deekin[ wrote:
70 seconds to make a Ultra? Cmon Gretorp, you are a caster of a game you dont even know what the patch changes is?
Pretty sure this is before the patch hit.
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For once, Strelok sieged his tanks, and now he's basically won.
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Strelok down to 30 harvesters but still won?
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On September 25 2011 11:37 FryktSkyene wrote:Show nested quote +On September 25 2011 11:37 Deekin[ wrote:
70 seconds to make a Ultra? Cmon Gretorp, you are a caster of a game you dont even know what the patch changes is? Maybe the games were played pre patch? Idk.
Ah yeah you are probably right, keep forgetting its casted from replays... :/
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699 Posts
Poll: strelok vs moonglade G1Not worth it.... (11) 69% I like it! (4) 25% If you have time (1) 6% 16 total votes Your vote: strelok vs moonglade G1 (Vote): I like it!
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Well that game was something else.
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On September 25 2011 11:37 Azarkon wrote:
For once, Strelok sieged his tanks, and now he's basically won.
Some truth in it, but strelok had superior upgrades and economy at this time.
Before that, it wasnt only about siege / not siege.
Ultralisk switch WOULD be ok, if he wouldve the economy to support it
€: Both players did some mistakes, so-so game.
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On September 25 2011 11:35 AntiGrav1ty wrote:
Im tempted to support NASL and buy a season pass. How is the quality etc? :D
Quality is great. Totally recommend it
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On September 25 2011 11:37 FryktSkyene wrote:Show nested quote +On September 25 2011 11:37 Deekin[ wrote:
70 seconds to make a Ultra? Cmon Gretorp, you are a caster of a game you dont even know what the patch changes is? Maybe the games were played pre patch? Idk.
they were played before patch, idra mentioned that on Inside the Game.
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Northern Ireland25715 Posts
On September 25 2011 11:37 Deekin[ wrote:
70 seconds to make a Ultra? Cmon Gretorp, you are a caster of a game you dont even know what the patch changes is?
Games were played pre-patch to my knowledge.
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On September 25 2011 11:38 Spectorials wrote:
Strelok down to 30 harvesters but still won?
Massive harvestor lead means nothing when they have nothing to mine 
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On September 25 2011 11:39 DiaBoLuS wrote:Show nested quote +On September 25 2011 11:37 Azarkon wrote:
For once, Strelok sieged his tanks, and now he's basically won. Some truth in it, but strelok had superior upgrades and economy at this time. Before that, it wasnt only about siege / not siege. Ultralisk switch WOULD be ok, if he wouldve the economy to support it €: Both players did some mistakes, so-so game.
Moonglade had better upgrades all game
he hit 3-3 before strelock did
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Text says Sen lost to Inc 2-0, should fix that.
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Strelok does his double CC always TvZ. 100 bucks on that .
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man i remember when moon was one of the best during beta...
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On September 25 2011 11:46 Golgotha wrote:
man i remember when moon was one of the best during beta...
That was then, now its just..... I am speechless.
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On September 25 2011 11:46 Deekin[ wrote:Show nested quote +On September 25 2011 11:46 Golgotha wrote:
man i remember when moon was one of the best during beta... That was then, now its just..... I am speechless.
tell me about it. that last game and this game has me depressed.
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On September 25 2011 11:48 Golgotha wrote:Show nested quote +On September 25 2011 11:46 Deekin[ wrote:On September 25 2011 11:46 Golgotha wrote:
man i remember when moon was one of the best during beta... That was then, now its just..... I am speechless. tell me about it. that last game and this game has me depressed.
Yeah I guess he doesnt play this game alot more anymore... Is he considered a progamer nowadays?
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Wow, Strelok is outmacroing Moonglade hard.
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On September 25 2011 11:49 Deekin[ wrote:Show nested quote +On September 25 2011 11:48 Golgotha wrote:On September 25 2011 11:46 Deekin[ wrote:On September 25 2011 11:46 Golgotha wrote:
man i remember when moon was one of the best during beta... That was then, now its just..... I am speechless. tell me about it. that last game and this game has me depressed. Yeah I guess he doesnt play this game alot more anymore... Is he considered a progamer nowadays?
im sure he is still a progamer but i dont think he has a team. last i heard, he left FXO and that was it.
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Moon Moonan and Moonglade always confuse the hell out of me.
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On September 25 2011 11:51 Golgotha wrote:Show nested quote +On September 25 2011 11:49 Deekin[ wrote:On September 25 2011 11:48 Golgotha wrote:On September 25 2011 11:46 Deekin[ wrote:On September 25 2011 11:46 Golgotha wrote:
man i remember when moon was one of the best during beta... That was then, now its just..... I am speechless. tell me about it. that last game and this game has me depressed. Yeah I guess he doesnt play this game alot more anymore... Is he considered a progamer nowadays? im sure he is still a progamer but i dont think he has a team. last i heard, he left FXO and that was it.
Okey, didnt know he didnt have a team now. I guess he hangs out with his gf instead of playing. Not saying its bad but its showing in his play.
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On September 25 2011 11:52 Swad1000 wrote:
Moon Moonan and Moonglade always confuse the hell out of me.
Don't forget Moman!
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Strelok's macro is so strong o_O
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On September 25 2011 11:53 Deekin[ wrote:Show nested quote +On September 25 2011 11:51 Golgotha wrote:On September 25 2011 11:49 Deekin[ wrote:On September 25 2011 11:48 Golgotha wrote:On September 25 2011 11:46 Deekin[ wrote:On September 25 2011 11:46 Golgotha wrote:
man i remember when moon was one of the best during beta... That was then, now its just..... I am speechless. tell me about it. that last game and this game has me depressed. Yeah I guess he doesnt play this game alot more anymore... Is he considered a progamer nowadays? im sure he is still a progamer but i dont think he has a team. last i heard, he left FXO and that was it. Okey, didnt know he didnt have a team now. I guess he hangs out with his gf instead of playing. Not saying its bad but its showing in his play.
Kellymilkies is ruining e-sports!
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On September 25 2011 11:54 RowdierBob wrote:
Strelok's macro is so strong o_O
He took a third at 16 mins... not really =/
moonglade just got a super super late third due to the banshee
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On September 25 2011 11:55 Xcobidoo wrote:Show nested quote +On September 25 2011 11:53 Deekin[ wrote:On September 25 2011 11:51 Golgotha wrote:On September 25 2011 11:49 Deekin[ wrote:On September 25 2011 11:48 Golgotha wrote:On September 25 2011 11:46 Deekin[ wrote:On September 25 2011 11:46 Golgotha wrote:
man i remember when moon was one of the best during beta... That was then, now its just..... I am speechless. tell me about it. that last game and this game has me depressed. Yeah I guess he doesnt play this game alot more anymore... Is he considered a progamer nowadays? im sure he is still a progamer but i dont think he has a team. last i heard, he left FXO and that was it. Okey, didnt know he didnt have a team now. I guess he hangs out with his gf instead of playing. Not saying its bad but its showing in his play. Kellymilkies is ruining e-sports!
He's been practicing 30 games a day for a few weeks now, he's playing the same as he used to (or just less than it). It was in preparation for Blizzcon though, i'm not sure if he has practiced as much for NASL. Also he has to play at like 4 in the morning for NASL so you can't expect the best play.
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699 Posts
Poll: strelok vs moonglade G2Not worth it.... (11) 73% I like it! (2) 13% If you have time (2) 13% 15 total votes Your vote: strelok vs moonglade G2 (Vote): I like it!
(Vote): If you have time
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I cringed at all the banelings exploding on the tanks in that game
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moonglade doesnt look too hot
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On September 25 2011 11:41 Shaetan wrote:
Text says Sen lost to Inc 2-0, should fix that.
Noone believes it anyways, if it were true, the heavens will have already descended on us
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On September 25 2011 11:55 SafeAsCheese wrote:Show nested quote +On September 25 2011 11:54 RowdierBob wrote:
Strelok's macro is so strong o_O He took a third at 16 mins... not really =/ moonglade just got a super super late third due to the banshee
If you got a 40 supply lead vs zerg after 12min then you macro is strong
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On September 25 2011 11:56 Camlito wrote:Show nested quote +On September 25 2011 11:55 Xcobidoo wrote:On September 25 2011 11:53 Deekin[ wrote:On September 25 2011 11:51 Golgotha wrote:On September 25 2011 11:49 Deekin[ wrote:On September 25 2011 11:48 Golgotha wrote:On September 25 2011 11:46 Deekin[ wrote:On September 25 2011 11:46 Golgotha wrote:
man i remember when moon was one of the best during beta... That was then, now its just..... I am speechless. tell me about it. that last game and this game has me depressed. Yeah I guess he doesnt play this game alot more anymore... Is he considered a progamer nowadays? im sure he is still a progamer but i dont think he has a team. last i heard, he left FXO and that was it. Okey, didnt know he didnt have a team now. I guess he hangs out with his gf instead of playing. Not saying its bad but its showing in his play. Kellymilkies is ruining e-sports! He's been practicing 30 games a day for a few weeks now, he's playing the same as he used to (or just less than it). It was in preparation for Blizzcon though, i'm not sure if he has practiced as much for NASL. Also he has to play at like 4 in the morning for NASL so you can't expect the best play.
Yeah I dont know, he seems really really unstable and just have no real gamesense, plus his macro seems bad.
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strelok is strange. hes not superb, but hes solid.
i have no other word for strelok then solid. and he wins most of his games  one of the better EU and foreign terrans.
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Carpet on the wall, east europe at it finest <3
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Strelok interviews are the best. I am such a fan!
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So pumped for NightEnd vs Ret now, owait.
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Some of the best facial hair in all of ESPORTS.
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Which country is strelok from? His accent is awesome
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NIGHEND VS RET; I WONDER WHO WINS, OH WAIT..................
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Russian Federation899 Posts
On September 25 2011 12:02 vincom2 wrote:Which country is strelok from? His accent is awesome
ukraine
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MVP's strategies are CLEARLY not perfect.
Strelok
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Did I just hear Strelok say that MVP's strategies are REALLY not great? :/
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great interview, i like strelok a lot
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Russian Federation899 Posts
On September 25 2011 12:04 Xcobidoo wrote:
Did I just hear Strelok say that MVP's strategies are REALLY not great? :/
check out his games against DRG today
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MVP, not great, but who knows what he's going to do .... HE'S CRAZY
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Strelok such a baller. Why does the Ukrainian players got so much personality?
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On September 25 2011 12:05 razy wrote:Show nested quote +On September 25 2011 12:04 Xcobidoo wrote:
Did I just hear Strelok say that MVP's strategies are REALLY not great? :/ check out his games against DRG today
Where did Strelok play DRG and what were the results?!!?!?!?!
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On September 25 2011 12:08 McFeser wrote:Show nested quote +On September 25 2011 12:05 razy wrote:On September 25 2011 12:04 Xcobidoo wrote:
Did I just hear Strelok say that MVP's strategies are REALLY not great? :/ check out his games against DRG today Where did Strelok play DRG and what were the results?!!?!?!?!
he means mvp vs drg, 2-0 drg.
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No strategy is perfect. Which is why having many of them is good.
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@DiaBoLuS
Oh, that makes a lot of sense. Yeah, I saw that.
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Wait, haven't I seen this game somewhere before?
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Can someone please analyze this Ret Nightend game for me?
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Hahaha that whisper! Epic troll
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On September 25 2011 12:12 norterrible wrote:
What did that say lol
Something about peeing in your cupped hands and drinking it.
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ill kill myself if they show the postgame analysis after g1
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On September 25 2011 12:13 TT1 wrote:
ill kill myself if they show the postgame analysis after g1
Do you have a will? This is NASL we're talking about :D
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mmm Yes the 73 drone at the 10 minute mark timing very popular indeed.
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On September 25 2011 12:12 ClysmiC wrote:
Hahaha that whisper! Epic troll
It's so true. I enjoyed the silence of the casters too, as they had no clue wtf to say.
And Ret is on a whole other level compared to nightend. This game is over before its begun.
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Does this qualify Ret for funday Monday this week?
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I don't understand why players continue to play a passive game against Ret. EVERYONE knows that he plays INCREDIBLY greedy. How do you think that NR20ing against him is going to work for you?
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WHAT THE FUCK why is he shooting the council!?
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Yea + belshir PvZ is super hard
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Fuck that Twilight Council up, son.
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NightEnD pulling off an MMA right there! LOL Poor guy you can't let Ret alone for 10 minutes like that.
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The Twilight Council was a traitor, good job NightEnd
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why would the analyze this game.... this is more one sided than the incontrol vs sen games.
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ahahahahaha XD
But seriously NightEnD. What did that Twilight council do to you?
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Seeing incontrol get dominated always brings a smile to my face, thanks NASL
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What is with nightend and his miscontrol? he just took a shot at his natural nexus right? After the roaches went into full retreat? >.>
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Ret's macro is just... O_O
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Just saw Inka vs Select results...wtf???
I'm guessing its because of Korean to NA lag, he'd absolutely destroy inka if there was no lag.
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So I'm watching this and I notice ret has an overlord at both bases, and a ling out front. Basically granting perfect scouting information. What is protoss supposed to do to scout a zerg at this point in the game?
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On September 25 2011 12:24 chaopow wrote:
Just saw Inka vs Select results...wtf???
I'm guessing its because of Korean to NA lag, he'd absolutely destroy inka if there was no lag.
Yeah Fenix was saying earlier that he was getting 2-3 second delays on every action he made from KR.
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Did Gretorp just say that HuK has big balls?
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On September 25 2011 12:27 norterrible wrote:
So I'm watching this and I notice ret has an overlord at both bases, and a ling out front. Basically granting perfect scouting information. What is protoss supposed to do to scout a zerg at this point in the game?
Don't exaggerate. You should be able to deny overlords seeing too much. Oh and did you not see the hallucinated phoenix scouting EVERYTHING?
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On September 25 2011 12:29 BuzZoo wrote:Show nested quote +On September 25 2011 12:27 norterrible wrote:
So I'm watching this and I notice ret has an overlord at both bases, and a ling out front. Basically granting perfect scouting information. What is protoss supposed to do to scout a zerg at this point in the game? Don't exaggerate. You should be able to deny overlords seeing too much.
You didn't answer my question, and actually he shot at the overlords but they saw everything anyway.
edit for your edit: That hallucination came way after the point that I made my post. I don't think protoss can NEVER scout, its just really late.
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On September 25 2011 12:30 norterrible wrote:Show nested quote +On September 25 2011 12:29 BuzZoo wrote:On September 25 2011 12:27 norterrible wrote:
So I'm watching this and I notice ret has an overlord at both bases, and a ling out front. Basically granting perfect scouting information. What is protoss supposed to do to scout a zerg at this point in the game? Don't exaggerate. You should be able to deny overlords seeing too much. You didn't answer my question, and actually he shot at the overlords but they saw everything anyway.
Hallucinated phoenix. Easy.
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NIghtend's floating A LOT of minerals
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Ret won this a long time ago.
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On September 25 2011 12:31 BuzZoo wrote:Show nested quote +On September 25 2011 12:30 norterrible wrote:On September 25 2011 12:29 BuzZoo wrote:On September 25 2011 12:27 norterrible wrote:
So I'm watching this and I notice ret has an overlord at both bases, and a ling out front. Basically granting perfect scouting information. What is protoss supposed to do to scout a zerg at this point in the game? Don't exaggerate. You should be able to deny overlords seeing too much. You didn't answer my question, and actually he shot at the overlords but they saw everything anyway. Hallucinated phoenix. Easy.
When is the earliest you can get hallucination? Cause its way after a lot of zerg busts.
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Immortals? To kill his own buildings faster? Haha
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Ret is looking so amazingly confident in his macro. I get the feeling that the minute he realizes it's going to be a macrogame, his whole body just relaxes and knows he's going to win. Amazing.
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Nice, Ret got cracklings. I wish more zergs would get that.
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Poll: NightEnD vs Ret G1Not worth it.... (10) 83% I like it! (2) 17% If you have time (0) 0% 12 total votes Your vote: NightEnD vs Ret G1 (Vote): I like it!
(Vote): If you have time
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Poll: NightEnD vs Ret G2Not worth it.... (8) 53% If you have time (5) 33% I like it! (2) 13% 15 total votes Your vote: NightEnD vs Ret G2 (Vote): I like it!
(Vote): If you have time
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On September 25 2011 12:32 norterrible wrote:Show nested quote +On September 25 2011 12:31 BuzZoo wrote:On September 25 2011 12:30 norterrible wrote:On September 25 2011 12:29 BuzZoo wrote:On September 25 2011 12:27 norterrible wrote:
So I'm watching this and I notice ret has an overlord at both bases, and a ling out front. Basically granting perfect scouting information. What is protoss supposed to do to scout a zerg at this point in the game? Don't exaggerate. You should be able to deny overlords seeing too much. You didn't answer my question, and actually he shot at the overlords but they saw everything anyway. Hallucinated phoenix. Easy. When is the earliest you can get hallucination? Cause its way after a lot of zerg busts.
Protoss scouting is fine. Shhhhh.
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Hey I like the way NASL is transitioning out of the games.
It's like "And there's the gg". And immediately music plays "Dun dun dun du du du dun dun".
Instead of "And there's the gg". And then "Yup... that was... an entertaining game".
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On September 25 2011 12:37 BuzZoo wrote:Show nested quote +On September 25 2011 12:32 norterrible wrote:On September 25 2011 12:31 BuzZoo wrote:On September 25 2011 12:30 norterrible wrote:On September 25 2011 12:29 BuzZoo wrote:On September 25 2011 12:27 norterrible wrote:
So I'm watching this and I notice ret has an overlord at both bases, and a ling out front. Basically granting perfect scouting information. What is protoss supposed to do to scout a zerg at this point in the game? Don't exaggerate. You should be able to deny overlords seeing too much. You didn't answer my question, and actually he shot at the overlords but they saw everything anyway. Hallucinated phoenix. Easy. When is the earliest you can get hallucination? Cause its way after a lot of zerg busts. Protoss scouting is fine. Shhhhh.
Ok. I get it, you play zerg and think protoss is OP. I wasn't arguing imbalance or whining. I was asking a question. I realize Nightend isn't the best toss around so I was wondering what a better toss would do to scout. Theres a timing right around when you are throwing down your nexus that you don't have hallucinate or an obs, and speedlings are out. Is it just accepted that you need to wait until later to scout, or can you be sneaky with probes?? It's an honest question here and I really don't need your dismissive zerg sass.
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I'm not a pro, but I'm guessing a Protoss player could pressure as he expands, which would obviously scout the zerg as well as force them to make units.
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On September 25 2011 12:41 norterrible wrote:Show nested quote +On September 25 2011 12:37 BuzZoo wrote:On September 25 2011 12:32 norterrible wrote:On September 25 2011 12:31 BuzZoo wrote:On September 25 2011 12:30 norterrible wrote:On September 25 2011 12:29 BuzZoo wrote:On September 25 2011 12:27 norterrible wrote:
So I'm watching this and I notice ret has an overlord at both bases, and a ling out front. Basically granting perfect scouting information. What is protoss supposed to do to scout a zerg at this point in the game? Don't exaggerate. You should be able to deny overlords seeing too much. You didn't answer my question, and actually he shot at the overlords but they saw everything anyway. Hallucinated phoenix. Easy. When is the earliest you can get hallucination? Cause its way after a lot of zerg busts. Protoss scouting is fine. Shhhhh. Ok. I get it, you play zerg and think protoss is OP. I wasn't arguing imbalance or whining. I was asking a question. I realize Nightend isn't the best toss around so I was wondering what a better toss would do to scout. Theres a timing right around when you are throwing down your nexus that you don't have hallucinate or an obs, and speedlings are out. Is it just accepted that you need to wait until later to scout, or can you be sneaky with probes?? It's an honest question here and I really don't need your dismissive zerg sass.
No one said anything about Protoss being OP. There are various timings in the game where all 3 races can dominate map control and scouting info. When ling speed finishes vs toss, when hellions are out vs zerg, when muta are out vs terran or in zerg mirror. Just part of the game. IMO a better toss like Huk would have poked to know what the zerg was doing and at least broken even unit wise.
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On September 25 2011 12:45 McFeser wrote:
I'm not a pro, but I'm guessing a Protoss player could pressure as he expands, which would obviously scout the zerg as well as force them to make units.
Yeah this was what I thought too.
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Thank you, that's all I was looking for.
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On September 25 2011 12:41 norterrible wrote:Show nested quote +On September 25 2011 12:37 BuzZoo wrote:On September 25 2011 12:32 norterrible wrote:On September 25 2011 12:31 BuzZoo wrote:On September 25 2011 12:30 norterrible wrote:On September 25 2011 12:29 BuzZoo wrote:On September 25 2011 12:27 norterrible wrote:
So I'm watching this and I notice ret has an overlord at both bases, and a ling out front. Basically granting perfect scouting information. What is protoss supposed to do to scout a zerg at this point in the game? Don't exaggerate. You should be able to deny overlords seeing too much. You didn't answer my question, and actually he shot at the overlords but they saw everything anyway. Hallucinated phoenix. Easy. When is the earliest you can get hallucination? Cause its way after a lot of zerg busts. Protoss scouting is fine. Shhhhh. Ok. I get it, you play zerg and think protoss is OP. I wasn't arguing imbalance or whining. I was asking a question. I realize Nightend isn't the best toss around so I was wondering what a better toss would do to scout. Theres a timing right around when you are throwing down your nexus that you don't have hallucinate or an obs, and speedlings are out. Is it just accepted that you need to wait until later to scout, or can you be sneaky with probes?? It's an honest question here and I really don't need your dismissive zerg sass.
Protoss will never have the map awareness that zerg has, it's just a weakness in the matchup. As far as early scouting with a probe goes, it's possible even on the professional level but in no way completely reliable.
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On September 25 2011 12:27 hmunkey wrote:Show nested quote +On September 25 2011 12:24 chaopow wrote:
Just saw Inka vs Select results...wtf???
I'm guessing its because of Korean to NA lag, he'd absolutely destroy inka if there was no lag. Yeah Fenix was saying earlier that he was getting 2-3 second delays on every action he made from KR.
2-3 seconds is such an exaggerated load of shit. The only way he could have a ping that high to NA (and I completely retract my criticism if this is true) from Korea is if there was some serious congestion / line issue / fault with his modem that is completely independent of location.
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According to TL, incontrol has the lowest ELO out of all EG players, even behind machine, strifeco, and lzgamer. But I think that's mostly due to incontrol still being in tournaments where he gets smashed all the time, while those other lower-tier EG guys are playing in single or double elim tourneys. If your skill is below the median in a tournament, group play like MLG or NASL just magnifies your number of losses (e.g. in a normal elimination tourney, the amount of losses you get is much more limited).
Still, I feel like incontrol should've followed painuser's footsteps and started casting full-time. I like his casting much more than his play.
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Just watched the replayes... select vs inka 2nd game is awesome!
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On September 25 2011 12:24 chaopow wrote:
Just saw Inka vs Select results...wtf???
I'm guessing its because of Korean to NA lag, he'd absolutely destroy inka if there was no lag.
Select is in US I thought? I didn't catch much lag while watching the game. Select's control was fine. Watch the game if you can. Inka played an almost perfect game...
I have to say most ppl, myself included, thought select would walk over inka. But hey, that's why they play the game
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On September 25 2011 14:30 Supdude wrote:Show nested quote +On September 25 2011 12:24 chaopow wrote:
Just saw Inka vs Select results...wtf???
I'm guessing its because of Korean to NA lag, he'd absolutely destroy inka if there was no lag. Select is in US I thought? I didn't catch much lag while watching the game. Select's control was fine. Watch the game if you can. Inka played an almost perfect game... I have to say most ppl, myself included, thought select would walk over inka. But hey, that's why they play the game
SeleCT is currently training in Korea alongside SjoW.
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On September 25 2011 13:58 lbmaian wrote:
According to TL, incontrol has the lowest ELO out of all EG players, even behind machine, strifeco, and lzgamer. But I think that's mostly due to incontrol still being in tournaments where he gets smashed all the time, while those other lower-tier EG guys are playing in single or double elim tourneys. If your skill is below the median in a tournament, group play like MLG or NASL just magnifies your number of losses (e.g. in a normal elimination tourney, the amount of losses you get is much more limited).
Still, I feel like incontrol should've followed painuser's footsteps and started casting full-time. I like his casting much more than his play.
Hahah, had to see it for myself to truly believe it.. 1961 is ridiculously low.
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On September 25 2011 13:58 lbmaian wrote:
According to TL, incontrol has the lowest ELO out of all EG players, even behind machine, strifeco, and lzgamer. But I think that's mostly due to incontrol still being in tournaments where he gets smashed all the time, while those other lower-tier EG guys are playing in single or double elim tourneys. If your skill is below the median in a tournament, group play like MLG or NASL just magnifies your number of losses (e.g. in a normal elimination tourney, the amount of losses you get is much more limited).
Still, I feel like incontrol should've followed painuser's footsteps and started casting full-time. I like his casting much more than his play.
I agree here, and a EG captain function like in korean houses would suit him, still play some hours a day but more focus on it's other members. (maybe his gf already does that i supose)
Because let's be honest the team house training does not improve his play, even if it's not that long some improvement should have been visible, and they clearly are not.
You either go another way with this game, like casting and being suport, or you break everything down lay low and build it up slowly.
I am not hating on the guy but every time i see him at an MLG i think, this spot could have gone to some one more deserving.
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Incontrol must be exaggerating quite a lot on how much he plays per day, i've heard him saying 8-12 hours but that is just impossible. I mean he seems like a pretty smart guy so there is no way he is that bad playing so much.
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On September 25 2011 18:57 PieLieDie wrote:
Incontrol must be exaggerating quite a lot on how much he plays per day, i've heard him saying 8-12 hours but that is just impossible. I mean he seems like a pretty smart guy so there is no way he is that bad playing so much.
i think he says he spends that much time on sc. So that involves shows and reps and vods and all. I might be wrong
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On September 25 2011 17:49 Beyonder wrote:Show nested quote +On September 25 2011 13:58 lbmaian wrote:
According to TL, incontrol has the lowest ELO out of all EG players, even behind machine, strifeco, and lzgamer. But I think that's mostly due to incontrol still being in tournaments where he gets smashed all the time, while those other lower-tier EG guys are playing in single or double elim tourneys. If your skill is below the median in a tournament, group play like MLG or NASL just magnifies your number of losses (e.g. in a normal elimination tourney, the amount of losses you get is much more limited).
Still, I feel like incontrol should've followed painuser's footsteps and started casting full-time. I like his casting much more than his play. Hahah, had to see it for myself to truly believe it.. 1961 is ridiculously low.
Lower than actionjezus. Wow.
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On September 25 2011 17:49 Beyonder wrote:Show nested quote +On September 25 2011 13:58 lbmaian wrote:
According to TL, incontrol has the lowest ELO out of all EG players, even behind machine, strifeco, and lzgamer. But I think that's mostly due to incontrol still being in tournaments where he gets smashed all the time, while those other lower-tier EG guys are playing in single or double elim tourneys. If your skill is below the median in a tournament, group play like MLG or NASL just magnifies your number of losses (e.g. in a normal elimination tourney, the amount of losses you get is much more limited).
Still, I feel like incontrol should've followed painuser's footsteps and started casting full-time. I like his casting much more than his play. Hahah, had to see it for myself to truly believe it.. 1961 is ridiculously low.
Just had to check it to believe it. Wow that's low O_O. You have to go about 15pages down it's full of players i've never heard of.
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On September 25 2011 19:17 Geo.Rion wrote:Show nested quote +On September 25 2011 18:57 PieLieDie wrote:
Incontrol must be exaggerating quite a lot on how much he plays per day, i've heard him saying 8-12 hours but that is just impossible. I mean he seems like a pretty smart guy so there is no way he is that bad playing so much. i think he says he spends that much time on sc. So that involves shows and reps and vods and all. I might be wrong
Remember he has to say he plays that much too. Whether he is or not. He can hardly say, yeah well i played 4hours today when his managers will be watching and wondering why they're paying him all this money and spent all the money on that teamhouse when he's not putting the effort in.
Not saying that's the case, i can't say i stalk his bnet profile to know when he's online and what he's doing. But i'm guessing he can't say anything but.
But if he his playing that much everyday, surely the time he's putting in has got to show something soon.
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Yeah iNcontroL should definitely go back to castng again or do something more productive than playing himself since he isnt doing well in the game. I wonder if he practises at all... Its pretty easy to improve on the game by just playing and especially when you have that great practise partners.
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Incontrol But he's such a nice guy!
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when you play ppl like sen, it's gonna be hard to get your ELO higher :p
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Incontrol 0-2 MoMan
Incontrol 0-2 Strelok
Incontrol 0-2 Sen
This must be getting embarassing for him.
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On September 26 2011 03:44 beebop123 wrote:
Incontrol 0-2 MoMan
Incontrol 0-2 Strelok
Incontrol 0-2 Sen
This must be getting embarassing for him.
not really, Sen is sick good and the 2 others are... europeans
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On September 26 2011 03:46 SagaSan wrote:Show nested quote +On September 26 2011 03:44 beebop123 wrote:
Incontrol 0-2 MoMan
Incontrol 0-2 Strelok
Incontrol 0-2 Sen
This must be getting embarassing for him. not really, Sen is sick good and the 2 others are... europeans
I thought you were going to say it was to be expected that he is going to lose.
Anyways... I would hate to play vs Ret. He is basically economically cheesing in a way that you are forced to do something drastic to stay in the game.
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On September 26 2011 04:11 Vapaach wrote:Show nested quote +On September 26 2011 03:46 SagaSan wrote:On September 26 2011 03:44 beebop123 wrote:
Incontrol 0-2 MoMan
Incontrol 0-2 Strelok
Incontrol 0-2 Sen
This must be getting embarassing for him. not really, Sen is sick good and the 2 others are... europeans I thought you were going to say it was to be expected that he is going to lose. Anyways... I would hate to play vs Ret. He is basically economically cheesing in a way that you are forced to do something drastic to stay in the game.
Good mechanics go a long way, i feel he's ahead by far compared to those he played so far.
See the Koreans he faces on MLG, it's alot more closer then these games.
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On September 26 2011 03:44 beebop123 wrote:
Incontrol 0-2 MoMan
Incontrol 0-2 Strelok
Incontrol 0-2 Sen
This must be getting embarassing for him.
when is the last time he won a best of X series?
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This iNcontroL hate has gone a little too far, yes? We don't need to pile on. I think there are legitimate ways to critique players, but ultimately it'd be nice if people would respect the work that people put in towards improving their game, whether you think it has paid off, or hasn't.
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On September 26 2011 04:45 tree.hugger wrote:
This iNcontroL hate has gone a little too far, yes? We don't need to pile on. I think there are legitimate ways to critique players, but ultimately it'd be nice if people would respect the work that people put in towards improving their game, whether you think it has paid off, or hasn't.
There's not hate towards this guy. And honestly he is in some way a public person and profits and benefits from publicity. So there has to be room to criticize a person like Incontrol who also likes to troll and criticize alot of other players.
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On September 26 2011 04:43 danson wrote:
when is the last time he won a best of X series?
About one month ago he beat some unknown named  Pantheon.
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On September 26 2011 04:45 tree.hugger wrote:
This iNcontroL hate has gone a little too far, yes? We don't need to pile on. I think there are legitimate ways to critique players, but ultimately it'd be nice if people would respect the work that people put in towards improving their game, whether you think it has paid off, or hasn't.
No hate at all, i have mad respect for this guy, always polite toward his opponents and funny as hell, my european joke was like a tribute to him actually. And i hope this new patch will give us back the sick PvZer he was not long ago.
iNcontroL fighting.
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Beyonder
Netherlands15103 Posts
On September 26 2011 04:45 tree.hugger wrote:
This iNcontroL hate has gone a little too far, yes? We don't need to pile on. I think there are legitimate ways to critique players, but ultimately it'd be nice if people would respect the work that people put in towards improving their game, whether you think it has paid off, or hasn't.
Where is this hate you speak of ?
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On September 26 2011 04:45 tree.hugger wrote:
This iNcontroL hate has gone a little too far, yes? We don't need to pile on. I think there are legitimate ways to critique players, but ultimately it'd be nice if people would respect the work that people put in towards improving their game, whether you think it has paid off, or hasn't.
Wait, what? I don't think anyone discounts the work that progamers put into their games/practice. We are all fans. We are disappointed for players when they don't do well not because we think they are lazy and don't respect the amount of time they put into their craft. We are disappointed in their results because we, like them, want to see that hard work pay off.
You picked the wrong issue to whiteknight over.
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Could not see the games but this thread painted a pretty sad, but still funny, picture. xD
Lost the bet on Select tho.
Would really like to see Nightend do well, he's such a great and hard working guy.
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On September 26 2011 09:54 AlternativeEgo wrote:Could not see the games but this thread painted a pretty sad, but still funny, picture. xD Lost the bet on Select tho. Would really like to see Nightend do well, he's such a great and hard working guy.
I'm glad to see Inka taking 2 games off a player like Select. I'm an Inka-fanboy just waiting for him to have some results. I find his harass-style toss play to be really energizing and fun to watch. He even places his buildings in a functional and aesthetically pleasing manner.
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