EPT[ESWC] US/CA Starcraft 2 Qualifiers Info! - Page 12
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Maghetti
United States2429 Posts
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Kraznaya
United States3711 Posts
On September 25 2011 14:40 pHaRSiDE wrote: Guys, Demuslim realized in at game 4, that the dates of the tournament were not possible for him to attend. He plans to forfeit against Axslav. He finished out the series in a rather poor way, but finishing out the series was best so at least some games were displayed rather than a full forfeit. I smell a cover up. | ||
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michielbrands
Netherlands1146 Posts
On September 25 2011 14:40 Elwar wrote: Lol. People pretend SC2 is a professional sport. In a real sport you'd have suspensions if not bans for that behaviour. In SC2 its ok because its 'just' a qualifier, and also because its better for one of the most popular community players. No need to get into the tournament based on skill, right? This is not true at all, It happens all the time, when in a poule two teams play eachother and both got enough with a draw. They will still act like it's a real match but everyone knows it will be a draw in the end. | ||
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Shaetan
United States1175 Posts
On September 25 2011 14:43 michielbrands wrote: coL will get atleast 1 player (possible 2) & EG already knows they get 2 players ESWC. This makes it pretty sure there is no FIXing going on here, why would you fix against your own teammate (axslav) there's no sense in that, I am afraid DeMusliM just screwed up =) Because this no favour the team in any way. read pharsides post | ||
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Angelbelow
United States3728 Posts
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michielbrands
Netherlands1146 Posts
Red pharsides post but thaught it was a joke, didn't saw his function  Lol how can you possible be thinking about dates during a game . Would be really disappointing though. Because DeMusliM really is in topshape and so one of the players everyone wants to see on the ESWC | ||
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Rybaia
Italy213 Posts
On September 25 2011 14:40 Elwar wrote: Lol. People pretend SC2 is a professional sport. In a real sport you'd have suspensions if not bans for that behaviour. In SC2 its ok because its 'just' a qualifier, and also because its better for one of the most popular community players. No need to get into the tournament based on skill, right? ^This. We can't pretend to call this a "sport" when you hallow this kind of behaviour. I'm sure DeMuslim knew about the dates before starting his bracket but still he decide to beat his "non EG" opponents and forfeit vs his teammates. This braket is basically fake. Edit: I'm from Italy so I know what's a staged sport match and the repercussion that this usually has -.-'' | ||
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GenoZStriker
United States2914 Posts
On September 25 2011 14:47 michielbrands wrote: Lol how can you possible be thinking about ESWC dates during a game . Would be really disappointing though. Because DeMusliM really is in topshape and so one of the players everyone wants to see on the ESWCIt happens. IdrA and Sheth played the IESF qualifiers not knowing it conflicted with IPL3. Finished top2 to then drop out. | ||
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SafeAsCheese
United States4924 Posts
On September 25 2011 14:47 michielbrands wrote: Lol how can you possible be thinking about ESWC dates during a game . Would be really disappointing though. Because DeMusliM really is in topshape and so one of the players everyone wants to see on the ESWCIf you look at idra's match history (http://us.battle.net/sc2/en/profile/693604/1/EGIdrA/matches), there was a long duration between games 3 and 4 IdrA was able to play 2 ladder games before those 2 games. They probably talked and looked at dates and shit. | ||
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Capook
United States122 Posts
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pHaRSiDE
United States752 Posts
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Harrow
United States245 Posts
On September 25 2011 14:40 Elwar wrote: Lol. People pretend SC2 is a professional sport. In a real sport you'd have suspensions if not bans for that behaviour. In SC2 its ok because its 'just' a qualifier, and also because its better for one of the most popular community players. No need to get into the tournament based on skill, right? Seen team drivers in F1 let their teammates pass etc multiple times with no repercussions. Same in a lot of sports with a notion of teams but only one winner per event. I don't know, it's controversial, but it needs to be clearly stated in a tournament's rules that you can be disqualified for throwing games. Which is pretty tough to enforce. | ||
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SafeAsCheese
United States4924 Posts
On September 25 2011 14:50 pHaRSiDE wrote: you guys and your conspiracy theories. Demuslim was up 2:1, he had actually thought he won, because he didn't realize it was a best of 5. I will upload screenshot. wtf you just changed your story you went from "he left because of conflicting dates" to "he thought it was a best of 3" | ||
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soupchicken
United States322 Posts
On September 25 2011 14:49 Capook wrote: Why would you realize in the middle of a series about the dates? You'd obviously just check in advance... The suggestion about eg strategy to have demuslim take out minigun made sense... until it turns out he plays axlav. Best explanation still seems to be they thought he would drop down to minigun and decided to have demuslim lose. If so, and if idra was in on this, I'll have to renounce my utter devotion to him Don't be so dramatic. They aren't rigging the tournament to make money off betting, they're simply deciding as a team what is best. I don't see what is ethically questionable about this decision making. We don't need another drama thread on r/starcraft | ||
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ThaZenith
Canada3116 Posts
On September 25 2011 14:36 kurrysauce wrote: Yeah , if you are ahead of a zerg economically and you throw your army away multiple times before eventually breaking the zerg , you basically outplayed the zerg. Having one hidden base doesn't really mean you "outplayed". You got lucky not having it scouted. The fact he didn't insta-win with a full extra base worth of resources says something. | ||
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Rybaia
Italy213 Posts
On September 25 2011 14:51 SafeAsCheese wrote: wtf you just changed your story you went from "he left because of conflicting dates" to "he thought it was a best of 3" Lol. This is funny... | ||
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AntiGrav1ty
Germany2310 Posts
On September 25 2011 14:36 Latto wrote: I think those games were obviously rigged but for the reasons I think that idra doesn't want to go down to the losers bracket to possibly face minigun again and possibly losing so instead they send demuslim down to take out minigun and most likely if idra can get through qxc we'll probably have a idra vs demuslim final. This actually sounds reasonable. But should be careful with accusations i guess. | ||
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Mordiford
4448 Posts
On September 25 2011 14:51 SafeAsCheese wrote: wtf you just changed your story you went from "he left because of conflicting dates" to "he thought it was a best of 3" Erm... You know those aren't mutually exclusive right? If I find out it's a best of 5, I don't throw away the next 2 games to make a statement. He could have thought he won, found out shit conflicts with his schedule, then threw the next 2 games. | ||
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taLbuk
Madagascar1879 Posts
Guess what? people throw games to get a better advantage all the time, it is up to the TOURNAMENT to structure it so that it doesn't end up in the players hands knowing if they want to win or lose for better seeding. | ||
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pHaRSiDE
United States752 Posts
On September 25 2011 14:51 SafeAsCheese wrote: wtf you just changed your story you went from "he left because of conflicting dates" to "he thought it was a best of 3" He thought it was a bo3 and thats why he played for real and won 2:1, he then realized it was bo5 and thats when he asked about date. Thats why he threw game 4 and 5. Look at screen shot. ![[image loading]](http://i.imgur.com/Ik3Us.jpg) | ||
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