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On September 11 2011 00:43 AsnSensation wrote:
Yeah also just selecting a small samplesize is not very representative, considering that Nada ( I love Nada) has very decent v.P and has been playing one of his first foreign events, pls don't forget that he roflstomped amost everyone after his loss against kiwikaki in rayleigh.
And Chobo why don't you mention the matches against bomber, coca etc against Huk or naniwa ( our foreign protoss hopes) where they got completely destroyed.
I'm talking about PvT and Bomber didn't play a single Protoss in Raleigh... And Coca plays Zerg LOL
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On September 11 2011 00:41 Choboo wrote:Show nested quote +On September 11 2011 00:39 Olinim wrote:On September 11 2011 00:37 Choboo wrote:On September 11 2011 00:30 Olinim wrote:On September 11 2011 00:29 Seronei wrote:
Protoss is the best performing race outside of Korea recently, while worst in Korea. It's really weird. Protoss foreigners still get absolutely stomped when korean terrans come over and win everything (NASL IEM MLG) so it really doesn't say much. Mana vs Nada Elfi vs Nada Kiwikaki vs Nada Mana vs Puma Sup son? P(foreigner)vT(korean) is probably the matchup which foreigners have the highest winrate in rate now. Maybe that's mostly Nada's fault tho ^^. Haha even Mana said puma didnt give it his all that game, and let me ask you who ended up winning the tournament? Also 3 of your examples are NaDa who has extremely lackluster vP. Still which Korean Protoss would you rate higher than Mana, Naniwa, Huk and Sase? The only two I can think of is MC and Genius and even those are questionable. EDIT: Silly me, forgot JYP T__T
Forgot hero and sage and puzzle, up and coming, code A's for protoss, Code S's for terran
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On September 11 2011 00:45 AsnSensation wrote:Show nested quote +On September 11 2011 00:41 Choboo wrote:On September 11 2011 00:39 Olinim wrote:On September 11 2011 00:37 Choboo wrote:On September 11 2011 00:30 Olinim wrote:On September 11 2011 00:29 Seronei wrote:
Protoss is the best performing race outside of Korea recently, while worst in Korea. It's really weird. Protoss foreigners still get absolutely stomped when korean terrans come over and win everything (NASL IEM MLG) so it really doesn't say much. Mana vs Nada Elfi vs Nada Kiwikaki vs Nada Mana vs Puma Sup son? P(foreigner)vT(korean) is probably the matchup which foreigners have the highest winrate in rate now. Maybe that's mostly Nada's fault tho ^^. Haha even Mana said puma didnt give it his all that game, and let me ask you who ended up winning the tournament? Also 3 of your examples are NaDa who has extremely lackluster vP. Still which Korean Protoss would you rate higher than Mana, Naniwa, Huk and Sase? The only two I can think of is MC and Genius and even those are questionable. EDIT: Silly me, forgot JYP T__T yeah jyp and puzzle definitely, Genius not even up there imo and lets hope Mc gets his stuff back together.
Sage, obviously
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Tyler.......... 
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On September 11 2011 00:46 taldarimAltar wrote:Show nested quote +On September 11 2011 00:41 Choboo wrote:On September 11 2011 00:39 Olinim wrote:On September 11 2011 00:37 Choboo wrote:On September 11 2011 00:30 Olinim wrote:On September 11 2011 00:29 Seronei wrote:
Protoss is the best performing race outside of Korea recently, while worst in Korea. It's really weird. Protoss foreigners still get absolutely stomped when korean terrans come over and win everything (NASL IEM MLG) so it really doesn't say much. Mana vs Nada Elfi vs Nada Kiwikaki vs Nada Mana vs Puma Sup son? P(foreigner)vT(korean) is probably the matchup which foreigners have the highest winrate in rate now. Maybe that's mostly Nada's fault tho ^^. Haha even Mana said puma didnt give it his all that game, and let me ask you who ended up winning the tournament? Also 3 of your examples are NaDa who has extremely lackluster vP. Still which Korean Protoss would you rate higher than Mana, Naniwa, Huk and Sase? The only two I can think of is MC and Genius and even those are questionable. EDIT: Silly me, forgot JYP T__T Forgot hero and sage and puzzle, up and coming, code A's for protoss, Code S's for terran
Puzzle for sure, Hero and Sage is questionable. ^^.
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The series between mana and puma was also influenced by the fact the maps did not allow for 1/1/1 lets remember that.
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On September 11 2011 00:45 Choboo wrote:Show nested quote +On September 11 2011 00:43 AsnSensation wrote:
Yeah also just selecting a small samplesize is not very representative, considering that Nada ( I love Nada) has very decent v.P and has been playing one of his first foreign events, pls don't forget that he roflstomped amost everyone after his loss against kiwikaki in rayleigh.
And Chobo why don't you mention the matches against bomber, coca etc against Huk or naniwa ( our foreign protoss hopes) where they got completely destroyed. I'm talking about PvT and Bomber didn't play a single Protoss in Raleigh... And Coca plays Zerg LOL
But as far as I can tell, the discussion was about the general level of performance for foreign and korean protoss, forgive me if I'm wrong.
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3 pages of arguing about koreans, wasnt this thread for the tournament with no koreans 
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what were those ffs supposed to do?
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On September 11 2011 00:47 hugman wrote:Show nested quote +On September 11 2011 00:45 AsnSensation wrote:On September 11 2011 00:41 Choboo wrote:On September 11 2011 00:39 Olinim wrote:On September 11 2011 00:37 Choboo wrote:On September 11 2011 00:30 Olinim wrote:On September 11 2011 00:29 Seronei wrote:
Protoss is the best performing race outside of Korea recently, while worst in Korea. It's really weird. Protoss foreigners still get absolutely stomped when korean terrans come over and win everything (NASL IEM MLG) so it really doesn't say much. Mana vs Nada Elfi vs Nada Kiwikaki vs Nada Mana vs Puma Sup son? P(foreigner)vT(korean) is probably the matchup which foreigners have the highest winrate in rate now. Maybe that's mostly Nada's fault tho ^^. Haha even Mana said puma didnt give it his all that game, and let me ask you who ended up winning the tournament? Also 3 of your examples are NaDa who has extremely lackluster vP. Still which Korean Protoss would you rate higher than Mana, Naniwa, Huk and Sase? The only two I can think of is MC and Genius and even those are questionable. EDIT: Silly me, forgot JYP T__T yeah jyp and puzzle definitely, Genius not even up there imo and lets hope Mc gets his stuff back together. Sage, obviously
okay artosis
sry I forgot hero
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On September 11 2011 00:36 Malinor wrote:
It is not nice that you call me an idiot. The other players have nothing to prove, we know they are top foreigners. Destiny has done nothing noteworthy beside an online Bo3 win against a good korean.
You also only need 3 lines to find excuses for three losses in a row, that is quite telling in my opinion.
Well, but he's right.
Maybe Destiny has not achieved that much noteworthy, but these days TLO isn't much better, so I guess it's pretty even. I think his main point was just, that all these players need to be respected as they play. And they do not attend these tournaments because they are doing some gold league stuff like most of us. So it's a little bit arrogant to call Destiny a low bird, while everyone else in this tourney is great.
Don't you also hate these people, who talk badly about a respected player of a soccer team, just because he missed that penalty? Calling a SC2 pro overrated in this kind of situation is nothing less.
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Weird push by DDE - no siege mode or air to spot and only one tank.
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On September 11 2011 00:47 Choboo wrote:Show nested quote +On September 11 2011 00:46 taldarimAltar wrote:On September 11 2011 00:41 Choboo wrote:On September 11 2011 00:39 Olinim wrote:On September 11 2011 00:37 Choboo wrote:On September 11 2011 00:30 Olinim wrote:On September 11 2011 00:29 Seronei wrote:
Protoss is the best performing race outside of Korea recently, while worst in Korea. It's really weird. Protoss foreigners still get absolutely stomped when korean terrans come over and win everything (NASL IEM MLG) so it really doesn't say much. Mana vs Nada Elfi vs Nada Kiwikaki vs Nada Mana vs Puma Sup son? P(foreigner)vT(korean) is probably the matchup which foreigners have the highest winrate in rate now. Maybe that's mostly Nada's fault tho ^^. Haha even Mana said puma didnt give it his all that game, and let me ask you who ended up winning the tournament? Also 3 of your examples are NaDa who has extremely lackluster vP. Still which Korean Protoss would you rate higher than Mana, Naniwa, Huk and Sase? The only two I can think of is MC and Genius and even those are questionable. EDIT: Silly me, forgot JYP T__T Forgot hero and sage and puzzle, up and coming, code A's for protoss, Code S's for terran Puzzle for sure, Hero and Sage is questionable. ^^.
SaSe said on his stream, that Sage is the best Protoss at the moment. So it's not only Artosis hype 
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On September 11 2011 00:48 taldarimAltar wrote:
what were those ffs supposed to do?
secure his army til the collo comes out
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On September 11 2011 00:22 Liquid`Nazgul wrote:Too many people with opinions
Make R1CH release his poster-quality rating bot! 
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On September 11 2011 00:48 Olinim wrote:
The series between mana and puma was also influenced by the fact the maps did not allow for 1/1/1 lets remember that.
So you're admitting that Mana > Puma if he can't 1/1/1 considering that almost no Protoss can hold that off...
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On September 11 2011 00:49 lardroom wrote:
Weird push by DDE - no siege mode or air to spot and only one tank.
Didn't he just get a defensive tank out early? Seen a couple of NA terrans do that at least.
Oh well, DDE just rolled Tyler there.
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awful control from tyler, and make some scv's DDE.
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Wow Tyler...
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Poor Tyler...
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EPT
