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TheSilverfox
Profile Joined December 2010
Sweden1928 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-08-23 10:28:22
August 23 2011 10:28 GMT
#961
What people seems to forget is that Polt is one of the few players in GSL that have been participating in all the open seasons + been in Code S every season the time and never dropped out.
Also known as Joinsimon on Twitter/Reddit
Sarang
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
Australia2363 Posts
August 23 2011 10:28 GMT
#962
Artosis predicting a 2-0 for Bomber.

I'm trying to forget what happened the last time he predicted Bomber to win without dropping a game ...
"Killer helped me feel better before coming to the arena. He told me to say that." - Bomber
ItsMeDomLee
Profile Joined November 2010
Canada2732 Posts
August 23 2011 10:28 GMT
#963
I personally just don't like Polt's playstyle. MVP and Bomber have beaten MMA before in straight up macro games and I accept that. Whenever I watch Polt play against MMA it just disgusts me.
mprs
Profile Joined April 2010
Canada2933 Posts
August 23 2011 10:28 GMT
#964
On August 23 2011 19:20 krews wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 23 2011 19:15 Serpico wrote:
On August 23 2011 19:15 Govou wrote:
On August 23 2011 19:13 Serpico wrote:
On August 23 2011 19:12 Govou wrote:
don't you just love seeing haters eat their words?

nope, worse player winning.


you are a perfect example of what i said

not really, MMA is the better overall player. Just how it is.


no he is not.


Polt beats MMA in TvT, and has the world's best TvP.

That is two match ups he is better than MMA at. I haven't seen his TvZ, but it should still be enough to be considered the "overall" better player.

We talkin about PRACTICE
Zalithian
Profile Joined June 2011
520 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-08-23 10:28:36
August 23 2011 10:28 GMT
#965



So please enlighten us how Polt won game 1 today vs MMA where Polt went Marine heavy.

Polt won game 1.


And by marine heavy you mean where Polt 1/1/1'd him? :D
Govou
Profile Joined August 2010
Canada1072 Posts
August 23 2011 10:28 GMT
#966
On August 23 2011 19:27 hugedong wrote:
People don't like him because none of his games are particularly impressive and filled with mistakes. The "he won he's the better overall player" mentality is pretty stupid.


then why is he winning?
Shaxe
Profile Joined February 2011
Netherlands590 Posts
August 23 2011 10:28 GMT
#967
Did anyone catch the overlay change LiquidHuk to EGHuk lol?
Emporio
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States3069 Posts
August 23 2011 10:28 GMT
#968
Definition time for TL:

BO loss: My favorite player lost
Good at timing attacks: He sucks at "real" games that require "real-time" strategy
How does it feel knowing you wasted another 3 seconds of your life reading this again?
KiNGxXx
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
7928 Posts
August 23 2011 10:28 GMT
#969
[image loading]
MKP|Maru|TaeJa|Mvp|Polt|INnoVation|GuMiho|Bomber|GoOdy|TeamTerran
masterchip27
Profile Joined April 2011
United States284 Posts
August 23 2011 10:28 GMT
#970
On August 23 2011 19:24 Spitfire wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 23 2011 19:18 Nayl wrote:
On August 23 2011 19:15 Serpico wrote:
On August 23 2011 19:15 Govou wrote:
On August 23 2011 19:13 Serpico wrote:
On August 23 2011 19:12 Govou wrote:
don't you just love seeing haters eat their words?

nope, worse player winning.


you are a perfect example of what i said

not really, MMA is the better overall player. Just how it is.


lol I love this foreigner bias for MMA after MLG columbus.

No MMA is not a better overall player, Polt knows how to study and play against specific opponents.


Thats what I dont like about Polt, he prepares 'sniping' builds, I dont feel like he could beat MMA, who I believe is a better player, in a straight up macro game.

Got lucky in the last set, no way he could've known MMA was gonna suddenly switch to Marine-Tank but it worked out pretty well for him.



holy hell--- its mma doing a snipe build in the last game. what did polt go first game? marauder heavy bio. what did polt build a lot of next game? lots of marauders. what beats bio/marauder? marine heavy bio. that is to say... mma used a cheesy snipe build

suck it up TL -- polt is class act, a college going kid who still is better than many progamers, and a boss nerd
Xercen
Profile Joined September 2010
United Kingdom375 Posts
August 23 2011 10:28 GMT
#971
On August 23 2011 19:26 Supamang wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 23 2011 19:24 Spitfire wrote:
On August 23 2011 19:18 Nayl wrote:
On August 23 2011 19:15 Serpico wrote:
On August 23 2011 19:15 Govou wrote:
On August 23 2011 19:13 Serpico wrote:
On August 23 2011 19:12 Govou wrote:
don't you just love seeing haters eat their words?

nope, worse player winning.


you are a perfect example of what i said

not really, MMA is the better overall player. Just how it is.


lol I love this foreigner bias for MMA after MLG columbus.

No MMA is not a better overall player, Polt knows how to study and play against specific opponents.


Thats what I dont like about Polt, he prepares 'sniping' builds, I dont feel like he could beat MMA, who I believe is a better player, in a straight up macro game.

Got lucky in the last set, no way he could've known MMA was gonna suddenly switch to Marine-Tank but it worked out pretty well for him.

Thats the thing. Too many people think "macro games" are what really define skill. If someone is better than you at macro, you beat him before he gets to that point. Its not a linear game, people are allowed to rush before the 10 minute mark


agreed. I mean recognising a flaw in the enemy and exploiting it by making a counter comp like the mass hellion 4 tank that killed mma in the decider. That's called skill. Having 30 min games macroing up on 5 bases is very easy tbh. What determines skill is really on the fly decision making etc. Macroing up is not skill...it's hard at the beginning but now everybody should be able to macro well
Awatsu
Profile Joined November 2010
173 Posts
August 23 2011 10:28 GMT
#972
Lol did I just saw ro32 liquid.huk being replaced fast by Eg.Huk on the bomber presentation?
Medrea
Profile Joined May 2011
10003 Posts
August 23 2011 10:28 GMT
#973
Goddammit do Koreans have something against smiling for pictures and video bits?

And FFS why do they print this shit, ask them to do it again.
twitch.tv/medrea
r0x0r
Profile Joined June 2011
Germany293 Posts
August 23 2011 10:28 GMT
#974
Bomber should win, his TvT is awesome
"[...]and I think that many Korean players will go overseas to compete, because foreign fans have something korean fans don't have -- heart." - MMA
Kraznaya
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States3711 Posts
August 23 2011 10:28 GMT
#975
On August 23 2011 19:27 bobwhiz wrote:
Nah, people just don't root for Polt because he has less emotional victories, but more solid plays and non-close games.


[image loading]

looks pretty happy to me :3
do you have enough resolve, hero of justice?
VirgilSC2
Profile Blog Joined June 2011
United States6151 Posts
August 23 2011 10:28 GMT
#976
I'm going to be honest, I would like to see Bomber beat Keen here, and then lose to Polt next week.

I'm going to go ahead and put my money on Polt now, just so I can come back and grab all these "Bomber best TvT in the world" and paste them in the LR thread.

I can hope.
Clarity Gaming #1 Fan | Avid MTG Grinder | @VirgilSC2
Nayl
Profile Joined March 2010
Canada413 Posts
August 23 2011 10:28 GMT
#977
On August 23 2011 19:27 babylon wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 23 2011 19:26 Ryncol wrote:
On August 23 2011 19:25 Sabu113 wrote:
On August 23 2011 19:22 Akhee wrote:
On August 23 2011 19:21 Nayl wrote:
TL hates Polt for absolutely no reason. Koreans already admit him to be one of the top players especially TvP.


he IS the best TvP in the world. Bomber has a nice lategame tvp but overall polt is still better


How does he have the best TvP? Honestly, what decent terran worth mentioning doesn't have a strong winning record vP?

His mechanics are subpar so just on that note I doubt he TvP is thebest.


Mvp is comparatively bad vs P. So is MMA.

Polt invented the 1/1/1. MVP refuses to use it. Of course he's bad at TvP.

Kidding aside, Polt and Bomber have the best TvPs out there.


wtf is this about? Polt has best Non 1/1/1 TvP. He hardly uses 1/1/1.
KiNGxXx
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
7928 Posts
August 23 2011 10:29 GMT
#978
[image loading]
MKP|Maru|TaeJa|Mvp|Polt|INnoVation|GuMiho|Bomber|GoOdy|TeamTerran
Rarak
Profile Joined May 2010
Australia631 Posts
August 23 2011 10:29 GMT
#979
On August 23 2011 19:25 Sabu113 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 23 2011 19:22 Akhee wrote:
On August 23 2011 19:21 Nayl wrote:
TL hates Polt for absolutely no reason. Koreans already admit him to be one of the top players especially TvP.


he IS the best TvP in the world. Bomber has a nice lategame tvp but overall polt is still better


How does he have the best TvP? Honestly, what decent terran worth mentioning doesn't have a strong winning record vP?

His mechanics are subpar so just on that note I doubt he TvP is thebest.


He has the best TvP because he literally always wins in that matchup... not that hard to work out.

Bomber is right up there too. Nobody else should enter into the conversation imo.
HolyArrow
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States7116 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-08-23 10:30:30
August 23 2011 10:29 GMT
#980
On August 23 2011 19:24 BFD wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 23 2011 19:24 HolyArrow wrote:
On August 23 2011 19:18 BFD wrote:
Now that this is over, I wish everyone would go back and read the posts in the liquibet thread.

http://www.teamliquid.net/liquibet2/betcomments.php?liquibet=176

Give Polt the credit he deserves. He wins because he's better. He has better timing, he has better reactions, he has better multitasking, and he has great mindgames as evidenced by this last game. His 4-0 win against MMA wasn't a fluke, and, as a reminder, it was kinda in the finals of a gigantic tournament with the best players around.

Haters probably gonna hate some more, but at least give him some credit for winning. Stop saying it's MMA who played badly therefore lost, or making up some excuses. Polt played better, he won. As usual. Period.



Better multitasking? MMA's harass-heavy style seems a lot more reliant on multitasking than Polt's, whose style is more about getting way ahead early through builds/superior compositions, and rolling over his opponent later.

I wouldn't have a problem with your statement had you not included the "better multitasking" part of it.


But game one of the series has been won through simultaneous control of units in both player's bases... ugh, please, no, give him the credit already


Sorry, I like to think of myself as an intelligent person who doesn't just cave in to people's demands to give people credit, and instead opts to analyze the games and the playstyles of the players myself.

For example, I disagree with your point about game one, because Polt had a far stronger army to begin with when he attacked, while MMA had a couple Banshees at Polt's base. You can't oversimplify it to "simultaneous control" when the units that they're controlling aren't the same.

I didn't take anything away from Polt other than your statement that he has better multitasking. Those games showed me that he has better timings and gamesense. But multitasking? Sometimes, certain strengths win a game, and that doesn't mean you can just exaggerate the strengths that weren't as prevalent in the win (obviously, multitasking did help Polt win. What I meant is that you can't just exaggerate Polt's multitasking to be superior to MMA's when he won not mainly on his multitasking, but rather, on his timings and game sense which allowed him to attack with a superior composition at critical moments).
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