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On August 23 2011 23:32 Eufouria wrote:
I can't believe the thread turned into this. The only TvP all-in we saw today was a stim timing.

On August 23 2011 23:29 Zorgaz wrote:

Every1 keeps saying this. It might be correct, but then again it may not? I don't feel this has been proven and it seems rather uncreative to put this argument in the face of everyone who thinks otherwise!?

On August 23 2011 23:33 Phantom_Sky wrote:



Every1 keeps saying massing probes does not work against 111, I just beat someone in gold using that ! . It might be correct, but then again it may not? I don't feel this has been proven and it seems rather uncreative to put this argument in the face of everyone who thinks otherwise!?

On August 23 2011 23:33 Phantom_Sky wrote:



Every1 keeps saying massing probes does not work against 111, I just beat someone in gold using that ! . It might be correct, but then again it may not? I don't feel this has been proven and it seems rather uncreative to put this argument in the face of everyone who thinks otherwise!?

On August 23 2011 23:33 Medrea wrote:


Marine-tank with like a dozen SCV's. Honestly? Its all the exact same shit. The only difference is THAT build has a different defense than the 1-1-1.

On August 23 2011 23:36 Zorgaz wrote:



Wtf dude?! Just WTF xd. Hope your trolling.

And i don't know how china's gold league is but in the EU gold league I'm quite sure you couldn't win mass probe :D

Don't think it would work in bronze even D:

On August 23 2011 23:11 legaton wrote:


Specially if you have to bring some kind of "double" cheese. 3 gate / VR was the original counter to the 1-1-1, abusing the small window you had between building 3 structures and start pumping units. But then, it was nerfed. With the changes of VR, they start doing less damage and they become a less optimal counter because they didn't kill marines and stuff fast enough. Therefore, to make it work now, not to miss that small windows (low count of marines), you have to proxy the VR...

1-1-1 is broken, and a bad thing for the game because it forces protoss to play like crap, because they have a very limited set of options to hold a 1-1-1. That's why Genius went proxy-VR two times, and why Killer always goes 15nexus. These are two blind counters to 1-1-1.

Now, protoss is playing blind, and that gives an enormous advantage to terran. If he goes 15nexus, all terran builds let you 2rax/3rax/4rax and attack. If he goes ultra-defensive style, you can always just expand and benefit from a huge lead.

On August 23 2011 23:32 Eufouria wrote:
I can't believe the thread turned into this. The only TvP all-in we saw today was a stim timing.

On August 23 2011 23:46 Clicker wrote:
0-4 argh

On August 23 2011 23:17 aebriol wrote:

This is actually just wrong.

The easiest way to hold the 1-1-1 is by going straight into colossus and stay on one base.

Problem is of course, that you might be far behind if anything else is done.

1 gate into expand or nexus first gets 'more stuff faster' but push it back in time, so you won't have colossus out in time to stop any sort of push so you are stuck with immortals - whereas you could otherwise get out 1 immortal 1-2 colossus (no range).

Terrans are doing 1 base pushes because they can't easily be stopped by forcefields. If Z had the same option, they'd be doing the exact same thing. 1 gate expand IS greedy, because it sacrifice early tech and units for later econ and more units but much later tech. And that tech is what's needed.

On August 23 2011 23:34 TOCHMY wrote:
I was wrong on every single bet T_T

On August 24 2011 00:05 covetousrat wrote:
Can anyone recap what happened in the Genius vs Virus match series? I miss it. All 3 games of 1-1-1?

On August 24 2011 00:05 covetousrat wrote:
Can anyone recap what happened in the Genius vs Virus match series? I miss it. All 3 games of 1-1-1?